Featherweight Fanatics Archives

September 1997

Sunday, August 31 - Saturday, September 6

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:18:59 -0700
Subject: Singer Treadle Cabinet

I was at an estate sale today and the gal had a Singer treadle in a
wonderful cabinet.  The cabinet had several carved drawers down the
left side.  One full length drawer down the right side and two small
doors across the bottom that opened up to see the treadle.  The machine
top folded to the left to open and you had to look down inside the
cabinet and pull the singer machine up to be able to sew with it.  The
cabinet was all carved and was really wonderful.  When not in use the
cabinet would complete enclose the machine so you didn't even know it
had a treadle in it.  The treadle serial number was K1188557.  She had
the puzzle box of attachments but no manual.  

Does anyone know anything about this machine?  She wasn't ready to sell
today but took my name and number to call me after the sale was over.

Asking price was $400.00.  The machine had all decals and looked really

Any help would be appreciated.....Kay
Subject: ARRRGGGH!!
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:24:31 -0500

 "Sharon "  wrote..........
Subject: My best find so far!!

>I was in Texas for almost 3 weeks and just got back.  I couldn't wait 
>to tell everyone of my incredible find!  I went to visit my in-laws in 
>Tyler, TX, and of course, I antiqued with my MIL.  We were about to 
>leave our last store when I suggested that we go to the upstairs level.  
>There I saw a table with a door containing spools on spool pins.  The 
>top was OVAL!!  I thought to myself, "That CAN'T be!!"  But it was!  
>The tag said "Featherweight cabinet $145."  I didn't even bother to

I live 38 miles from Tyler, and shop there often --- but have not gone
antique-ing.  Stupid me.  Is it okay if I quietly kill myself now?  

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:43:52 -0800
Subject: Singer 185J

Hi All,
I received Capt. Dick's Field Guide today, just in time to identify a neat
little 185J.  It is very clean and  sews fine but we have not checked it out
real well yet.. The case is in pretty good shape also.  Found it  stuck under
a table, way back in the dark, in a little old trift store near home. I can
sure see where this little book will come in handy!

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:39:51 -0600
Subject: Correction on fiddle-shaped base

Thanks for all the welcome notes.  A few folks pointed out that I referred
to the Singer fiddle-shaped base as a model 99. Don't know why I did that.
I was just typing along and all of a sudden my brain hit a blank spot
instead of a brain cell.  Anyway, I knew it was older than my Singer Treadle
Model 27, and Singer Consumer Service confirmed that it was a Vibratory No.
2, from 1890-something (I can't find my notes).  I still want that sewing
machine.  I think about it and can maybe wedge it into the bedroom as an end
table. The antique store is a four hour drive away.  I think it is one of
those things that I just won't shut up and settle down about until I get it.

I looked around some junk-tique stores in the country today, hoping to get
some sewing accessories that won't take up too much room.  Found a little
black metal box, line with purple, full of sewing machine accessories, for
$1.50.  Also bought some clutter from a drawer that included a nice Singer
brochure, from 1954, about their current machines and cabinets.  Oh, there
was this Singer 301A.  I already have one that is tan. This one is black
with a NA serial number (but not centennial).  Has the manual, green box of
accessories, maroon plastic case with button-holer, templates and
instructions, in a nice tan slanted-side case.  It kept calling me back. I
gave it a test run.  Ran smooth with a nice stitch. It had a reasonable
price.  I hesitated.  Mostly wondering where to put it.  Then decided it
wouldn't take up much space.  The owner must have thought I was thinking of
something else, and she lowered the price.  What else could I do?! It came
home with me.

A couple of folks have mentioned hand-crank Pfaff's.  I have one and would
like more information.  According to my ISMACS newsletter, it was born in
1903.  It's very ornate and has a big "K" on the back.  Is this a model
number?  The back slide plate thingy under the needle (sorry, another brain
cell missing) needs to be replaced.  Anyone have a source.  The plate is the
same size as on my Singer 27 and 128.  Really want a Pfaff replacement, if
possible.  And a manual (or copy) would be appreciated.  Will pay costs, of

I remember Linda Heminway mentioning thread with the family name on it.
Well, last week, at a flea market in Tulsa, I was pawing through a wash tub
of wooden spools and found the usual Belding, Corticelli, J.P. Coats, and
then found some beautiful silk thread on spools marked "Rice".  That's my
maiden name.  I kept digging in until I found about a dozen spools of A.H.
Rice silk thread. I had never heard of that brand before.  Anyway, it was a
special surprise (and only cost 10 cents a spool).  

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:02:44 -0400
Subject: Please Help

This message will be long. Sorry.

Hello all, I do so enjoying reading about everybody's machines and discoveries.  Unfortunately,  my husband recently sold my computer and I am using his now.  (Just enough room for that treadle I got recently :)  This means all my saved e-mail is floating around on disks and back-up tapes for the next couple of weeks.  Between my mother and me, we have several machines and I want to know some information about them since I am still quite new to all this.  Hints and tips and detailed descriptions are always a blessing!  And please if you have written to me before feel free to write again since I have probably lost the e-mail in the computer move.  

I would like to know the value of the machines I have listed.  I have thought about selling a couple but don't know a fair price to place on them.  I am also in need of parts but have no idea how much a fair price would be on them. 

Singer 401a.  Great condition although the motor had to be replaced recently ( Ican't say much more since I haven't seen it lately). She still has the original attachment box with attatchments, original manual and her sales receipt from when she purchased the machine and table.  My mom is looking for cams for this machine.  We don't know which designs go with which cams to please list a description with the numbers.  SN:NC0000632.

Singer 185k.  Fair condition with nicks in the bed and the screw that holds the tension assembly on the machine has come loose.  The faceplate is missing a thread guide and is causing the thread to tangle with the thread take up lever.  Mom just thought is was a cute little machine. SN:EP233606

Singer 66 Red-eye.  Poor condition it is soooo rusted but the decals look ok.  Someone left this poor thing out in the weather tooo long and then chiselled it out of its cabinet.  Mom figured that I might could use it for parts since I have 2 of the same model.  SN:G8554150.

Mom also has a Singer industrial model but she hasn't passed along the information yet about this machine.

Singer 201. Good condition except for the bobbin winder. Some one took it apart but didn't wind the spring when they put it back together so it winder wants to drag on the hand wheel.  I haven't been able to get the screw out since it was wrenched whenever I bought it.  If I can find the replacement screw, dad says he can fix it for me. SN:AL142100

Singer 328k.  My father picked this up for me at the local thrift store and figured I could use it as parts or else clean it up and sell it.  I am hoping to sell it but I don't know a fair price.  I only have one cam and the zig-zag foot. No books, attatchments or case.  The foot petal had been dropped so I had to replace it with a universal.  Other than that the machine sews nicely and I would keep it if I didn't have a White zig-zag that was my grandmother's that sews wonderfully.  SN:ES804219.

Singer 15 treadle.  Cabinet and machine needed much work and I am getting there.  A little refinishing for the cabinet and some tender cleaning for the machine.  It sews smoothly once more even though the decals are almost worn away.  The slide plate has been replaced with a fuctional but not original piece.  I think it is a 15-30 but I get confused by the second number with all these machines.  It has the periwnkle design(I thinkt hat is what it is called).  SN:D1006768.

I have two Singer 66 red-eyes but have had trouble with the shipping because I the UPS strike so they are still in California while I start to get a little impatient here in South Carolina.  I know one is probably only worth parts and the other looks pretty good but is minus the stitch length knob. SN:G7605584 and G9755201. 

Now my three little favorites. Singer 221.  The two black ones have managed to survive a flood some what.  Paint is in terrible shape but the insides cleaned up very nicely.  The white one is in excellant condition.  The only problem is that two were parts machines that I bought recently and neither have a motor nor a bobbin assembly.  The other one is missing the bobbin case but has a broken feed dog bar.  Does anyone know what the worth of these little guys are and what reasonable prices are for the parts to fix these machines?  I am pretty sure I can get the white one running with some modification to the foot pedal and plug and borrowing parts from the other two machines.  I do have the carry case for the little white in good condition.  I am want the machines to take to classes a lot more than I want them to collect.  

I have four other machines that I will ask about later since they are not Singers and I really haven't had time to look them over since I have gotten them.  

I have gotten all my machines for $50 or less.  I have happily paid what was asked for the machines and I feel I have gotten my money's worth.  Even if it has only been from staring at them with a HUGE grin on my face. 

I am sorry this post is so long and I thank you for any help that you can give.  I will post again with more questions once I get a little more organized.  Thank you for any information that you might have about these machines.  I truly appreciate all ya'll's help. (Especially Sue! Glad you are feeling better!!)

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:51:49 -0500
Subject: Partially OT--Quilt Challange Patterns and Machine Letters

Hello fellow Feathers!

I've been swampped the past few months.  I've been helping someone close 
an estate, finished one graduate degree while continuing with two 
others, changed positions with the company, and, naturally, reading and 
lurking over the FWF postings.

I recently took a few quilt classes by Terry Thompson and Barbara 
Brannock (they have a studio in Lawrence, KS, just outside of Kansas 
City).  The classes revolve around remaking historical quilts.  Barbara 
has a book about to be released on historical Civil War quilts and Terry 
and Barbara are working on material for a Vintage quilt book.  Their 
information is great!  They discuss accurate colors, fiber content, as 
well as quilt patterns that would be authentic to the periods.  They 
have weekend-long fabric camps that discuss how to date fabrics and 
determine fiber content, but also offer quilt appraiser's classes.  If 
any of you are interested, please contact me via email for class dates 
(smmorgan@swbell.net).  I plan to take a session in October or November 
and have a spare room for anyone that would need a place to stay if 
interested in attending the same sessions.  The designs are great for 
the older machines (1850 to 1890) for the Civil War and then naturally 
the Vintage stuff.

The best bit of quilt design luck came to me yesterday.  I stopped in a 
vintage shop (looking for sewing machines-not much luck there) and found 
myself in the middle of a shop owned by Harold and Dorothymae Groves.  
This couple has "reprint permission" from the Kansas City Star to 
reprint the quilt patterns from the paper's historical files.  They used 
to run ads for these, but now simply rely on word of mouth.  The 
books/booklets (10 volumes with Vol. 1 being 1928-1930 and Vol. 10 being 
 1955-1961) cover the FW period almost exactly!  Dorothymae also had 
catalog copies of McKim studios (Independance, MO), and Ladies Art 
Company (St. Louis, MO), and even some copies books of working with 
flour, sugar, and feed bags.  I know that this posting has had problems 
with the Sincere books, but I believe the Groves are 'legit'.  If you 
desire information on how to contact the shop, costs per issue, or even 
the shop name (if you're near Kansas City), again, contact me directly. 
 She also claims to have stacks of printed feed sacks for quilting but 
not at the shop.

As far as the above, I'm not 'connected' with these people other than 
finding the information of interest.

Machines?  Well...they keep multiplying. (I believe that Singer himself, 
sewing machines in general, and rabbits must belong to the same 
biological family!)  Let's see here...two 66 red eyes, a 66 centenial 
with rough finish, a 128 from Eula (hi there!), another 128, a 
hand crank medium (appropriately named Zelda...show me your hand(crank) 
and I'll tell you your future), a VS#2, a 201, a 201K, a 101, two 15-91s 
(one a centenial), a 401a, a 301a long bed (still on its way from eBay 
purchase), a 329K, and (most recently) a 15K --- and naturally Mom's 
221-1.  Other than Singers, I still have a Willcox & Gibbs treadle, a 
vintage White shuttle (model unknown), Kenmore (about 1950), and 
something known as a TransWorld.  I have my eye on three machines of 
interest:  a Sears Damascus treadle in an oak table with four drawers 
that have the most ornate ram's head pulls, a Wheeler and Wilson 
hand-crank (poor appearance but decent working condition), and an 
inexpensive Spartan (because the Bakelite? base is broken and cracked). 
 I'm still searching for any 99 or any of the 'missing' Singer models.  

BTW...I thought 99's were common place?  I haven't seen one 'up close 
and personal'.  Were there more 66s or 99s?  I really have a question 
about the letter notations on the Singer machines...what do they mean?  
I thought "a" was an alternate exterior design with the same 
motor/internals while "K" was either convertable or UK manufactured.  
How far off am I?  Any hints would be helpful.

Happy FW Hunting!
Susan M
Subject: Royal St. John and Egyptian markings
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:03:40 -0400

I have had an exciting week!  I have obtained a Royal St. John treadle
machine in a beautiful 5 drawer cabinet with coffin top.  The cabinet is in
excellent condition and the treadle part has the Royal name, the same as
the machine, so I guess they came together originally, but the machine is
kind of rough.  Most of the decals are worn and there is some very slight
rust on some of the chrome/steel parts.  The most recent patent date of the
slide plate is 1878.  There is a number UNDER the slide plate.  Might that
be a serial no. of the machine?  Does anyone know about this brand? Sounds
British to me.  I sure could use some expert help on this one.  I love it

Also, with this machine came a "freebie" the dealer tacked on when we tried
to negotiate the price down on the treadle.  It's a Singer treadle head. 
From the info I have found on the net, it looks like a 66-3 with "red eye"
decorations.  Paint is not so shiny, but the decorations are still very
nice.  The serial no. looks like it was made in 1909-1910, according to the
list I found on the net; haven't called Singer yet to confirm this info. 
But I am happy with my bonus machine.  

Also got a Singer 127 treadle in a painted 5 drawer cabinet, fair
condition, nice, clear decorations. .  According to Singer, it was made in
1912.  I am confused about something maybe someone here can help with.  The
picture on the web that matches my machine exactly says it has "Memphis"
decorations.  What does a winged Sphinx with a pharaoh's headdress have to
do with Memphis?  This sounds Egyptian to me, but when I looked at a
picture of a model that supposedly has Egyptian markings, it is nothing
like this.  Can someone clear up this confusion for me???  

Also obtained a 1937 Singer 128 in a bentwood case, machine is
beautiful...excellent condition.    I am a very happy sm. collector.  But I
still don't have a Featherweight!!!  I am waiting for a bargain, but so far
haven't even SEEN a Featherweight locally, let alone a bargain.  I am sure
they are out there...I can wait.

Hope someone can help me with my questions.  I am happy, but confused.  I
have ordered a couple of the books I have seen advertised on the websites
that should help with the Singers.  Hope someone can help with the Royal. 

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:27:48 -0700
Subject: Looking for model

I am looking for the Model of Singer I forgot I had! DH's grandmother had
this, but the cabinet was destroyed by DH's wicked ex-wife!!
It is a Singer, # AG995357
The tension adjust is on the left side of the head, near the back of the
silver face plate. This puppy weighs a ton, at least 25  lbs!
Anyone can help???
It has the power cord and foot pedal, along with what looks like a knee
The scroll work is perfect!
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:22:53 -0500
Subject: New Restoration Project

Dear FWF

        Oh dear, it happened again.  A phone call.  A featherweight.  A
black one.  Right in the middle of cleaning the garage.  Pretty good shape
too. (the garage and the FW)  I thought that would be it for  while. Then
the very next day it happened again.  A white one.  The vendor asked if I
was interested in a black one too.  Oh dear, oh my, what am I supposed to
say?  The case for the 221k is a soft blue vinyl and the exterior of the
machine is in superb condition.  A quick look at it and thought okay, this
will certainly do fine.  The black one is in good condition with the usual
wear indicators for a carefully but consistently used machine.
        Upon arriving home and doing the usual minor disassembly for
cleaning my jaw nearly hit the table.  The underside had never been oiled.
The face plate removed showed similar condition but not as bad and then the
bobbin case and assembly showed rust as well.  This has now become a major
mechanical restoration project for the winter.  The chassis is in such fine
condition that I am lead to believe this machine was rarely if ever used.
The presser foot lever has that stiff new never been used feel whereas  a
well loved and used machine has a much smoother action from all the sewing
use it has had.
        Both DW and I have sworn off any new acquisitions (unless a
free-arm falls in our lap) and DW asked me just how many FWs I planned on
acquiring?  I think my answer was honest. All of them.
        I have done quite  a bit of mechanical restoration in the past
including automobiles and have discovered there are often a few unseen
problems. Before I begin the extensive restoration of the 221k a few Q's:
                Is there a "shop manual" and if so where can I get one?
(gladly buy)
                Any tips or pitfalls to avoid from the experienced
restorers out there                  would be greatly appreciated.

I still don't know where we'll put them all but what the heck, we'll figure
it out as it happens.

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:40:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW For Sale - Week Ending 8/23/97

In a message dated 97-08-28 12:29:25 EDT, you write:

>>  I
 haven't spoted a single FW lately, wonder if they are all gone??  Keep on
 Searchin! Sandy in OK >>

Like my DH's old car parts---We already have them all in *our* houses!  :-)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:28:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mystery Singer Foot

I recently purchased a model 15 Singer in a Singer cabinet, with lots of
attachments, and there is one I cannot figure out. I have identified the
zipper foot (of course), narrow hemmer, adjustable hemmer, tucker,
ruffler, and binder, but there is another foot I don't recognize. It isn't
found in the manual either.

It is stamped on the top  36865 SINGER USA. Describing it is tough. It
comes out toward the front of the machine, measures about 1 1/2 inches
long by 1 inch wide, and there are two openings on each side to feed the
fabric in. The needle hole is on a small plate that slides side to side
slightly (and with some effort).

Any info? I just know I'm going to puzzle over this one until I find out
what it is.

Thanks for any help at all. I love this list!

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 07:42:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Little Touch and Sew

Hope the holiday weekend is fun for all (and that you're having better
weather than we are)

Re Little Touch and Sew

  I have one of these that was mine as a child.  I don't remember exactly
when I got it but I think my parents gave it to me because my mother had
gotten a Golden Touch and Sew--the little Touch and Sew looks to me just like
my mother's machine.  I just recently found it again--after our last move, I
hadn't been able to locate it and then when cleaning out our storage room
last week, it surfaced.  Unfortunately, I do not have any of the things that
came with it and the switch to turn it on and off is broken.  Does anyone
have any idea whether it had a foot pedal with it and if a transformer to use
electricity instead of batteries was available?  

   Thinking back, I really don't know why my parents got this for me because
I started using my mother's 404 when I was about 8 years old to make my
clothes and I was about 12 when my mother got the Touch and Sew.  

    On another topic, FWFs in the Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa (and whatever
other areas are close) are invited to my home in Janesville, WI on October
11th for a FWF gathering.  Please email me if you are interested and I'll
send you more details.  Thanks

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 06:04:15
Subject: Dirt marks on wood

Dear Feathers,

I have a Singer A-1 treadle (1889) I'm trying to clean right now, and I am
stumped as to how to clean up the black line caused by the coffin top
resting on the wood table part for 100 years. I have a perfect black
outline of where it goes, that extends most of the way around. before I
make this worse, please tell me what to do. So far, I've only tried
furniture oil, which took off some, but there's still a lot left.

thanks in advance,

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 09:51:33 -0400
Subject: Ft. Washington Quilt Show

Hi All!

Just wanted to let everyone know that I've made arrangements to meet some
fellow FWFs at the Ft. Washington Quilt Show on Saturday, September 13th
and we're hoping that anyone else that will be there on that day can join
us too.

We will be meeting at 1pm by the Ladies restroom which is located in the
right rear corner of the lobby before the doors to the large convention
hall area.  Just look for a bunch of us looking for each other and don't
be afraid to ask - no one knows what anyone looks like!  Then we're
planning on having lunch together (I've been told that there are two fast
food "restaurants" in the convention hall) and exchanging sm stories,

Looking forward to meeting you all!

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 10:32:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Need White Rotary motor 

I am new to this whole SM thing, FW's as well as toy sewing machines.  I have
been lurking on this list for only a short while now, but as I need some
help, I am coming out of hiding, briefly, to tell you what I need.
First, to tell you a little about what I have been collecting in the past
couple of months, since I got bitten by this bug---- I only have 2 FW, one of
which I haven't received yet.  UPS is backlogged since the strike, so I am
told it will be the middle of next week until I can expect it to arrive. It
is a "celery green" one, in great condition complete with everything.  My
first one is a black centennial and I just love it.  Its birthdate is the
same as my Mom's was....July 17.....makes it extra special for me.  I also
have a beautiful Singer 99K hand crank in a gorgeous bentwood case that is in
as good a condition as the machine.  Then I have one Vertical Feed treadle,
by Davis SM Co. that was my Great-grandmother's, and the machine I learned to
sew on.  Still works great.  I have the original receipt where my
Great-grandpa bought it, in 1914 new. Also bought a 1925 White Rotary,
because "it spoke to me" it was so pretty, but I found that after I got it
home and DH was checking it out, the motor is
 "fried" in it and apparently because the rotarys run opposite of the way
 other motors run, you can't just slap any old sewing machine motor on
 I would have to find a "junker" White Rotary that had a good motor to swap
 with.  I don't think the chances of that are very good, but I suppose
 anything is possible.  The machine was so pretty, that I paid the guy $80
 it (it is in a nice cabinet) and just took his word that it was
running....dumb, huh?  Well, he was asking $125 for it and so I thought I got
it at a good price at the time.  Live and learn I suppose.  I just have no
idea what things are supposed to sell for...I guess I had better get a book,
so I can at least have a guide to reference.  Can you suggest a good book,
and tell me where I might find it....I suppose the book stores can get them.
 I also have ventured into the world of toy sewing machines, and currently
have a little red SewHandy Model 20, a very old Casige German tsm, a Singer
 40K, and a Betsy Ross, with a couple of others on their way to me now, that
 bought on the Ebay Auction Web.
Please let me know if you have any suggestions for me on what I might do
about this old White I picked up.  Any resources you might know of to get
motors for these dinosaurs?
Thanks for any help you might be able to give me,
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 09:26:26 -0500
Subject: Carrot juice hooch

Graham said:

> To Lydia re fermented carrot juice
> Now that's a great idea. Could we distill it and get rid of the carrot taste?

Not in the US -- legally, that is!  The Revenoors would come around and
shut you down.

However, it is interesting to note that the boiling point of alcohol is
significantly below that of water, and that copper tubing conducts
heat/cold quite efficiently...

Diana in Columbus said:

> I saw a 1950's FW with table in excellent condition in an antique shop off of
> I-70 near Springfield, OH for $750.00.  Now, I know th tables are rare, but
> isn't that price a bit on the high side?
It might be the FW that was priced a little high... :-D  

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:35:30 -0500
Subject: FWF, Aug 26 -Bottom plate for FW

Cathy, if you don't find one, I have an idea:

My little white one came with a 'substitute' bottom plate - a nicely cut
piece of particle board (with all the jigs and jags), painted black.

No,it's not original, but it fits perfectly, and no one ever sees the bottom!  

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 13:57:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Machine Sighting

Hi Feathers!

Yesterday, my husband finally (!) decided to let me have a treadle machine,
so off we went to a shop in Rancho Cordova, California, where I knew they had
several.  This place is a sewing machine/vacuum repair shop, and the owner
has several machines (treadles, FW's, handcranks, etc.) that he keeps in the
shop for sale.  He also has various odd accessories that are for sale, also.
 Anyway, my eyes lit upon a beautiful 1924 Singer in a 5-drawer oak cabinet.
  The decals are wearing a little, but I figured for the age, they were in
good shape.  I had never seen decals like this before - they are in several
colors and resemble cornflowers or perhaps sheaves of wheat (I'm not quite
sure how to describe them).  The machine itself is in fairly decent condition
- it has the usual pinscratches and a little wearing on the "Singer" decal on
top where a rag was probably wrapped around the arm for a pincushion.  The
machine doesn't have any attachments, but the owner's daughter said she was
sure they could fix me up with them, along with a photocopy of the manual.
 The ironwork is in good condition, and the top of the cabinet has some
wearing (although the veneer is not cracked - it could perhaps be
refinished).  The price they are asking is $550.

Since I've never bought a treadle before, I don't know what a reasonable
price is to ask for them.  They claimed this machine is fairly rare (I
certainly have never seen one, but that doesn't mean much of anything).  Has
anybody seen this particular style of machine before?  Is the asking price
way out of range?  If it is indeed too high, I could offer him less and
haggle a bit.  I sure would like to have a treadle, and this one is awfully
pretty, but I don't think I want to spend that much on it.  Any help or
suggestions would be much appreciated.

On another point, I've been watching poor Graham being told to stop smoking.
 Graham, I smoke as well and have no intention of stopping any time soon.  I
still like it too much.  Besides, I can't sew, quilt or talk on the phone
without having a ciggie going.  The only thing I would have done differently
if I were arriving home from the hospital is to have had a cup of coffee
instead of tea (followed by a Coke).  Ah, bad habits - sometimes being an
adult is a lot of fun (especially when I find a screaming bargain on a new
SM)  ;)

Thanks for any input on this machine - I sure could use the help!

Subject: September Web Site Changes
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 10:49:17 -0700


Well, in theory at least, the old web site address will cease to
exist tomorrow.  Considering the service level I had there, it won't
surprise me if it lingers awhile before they get around to closing it
down.  However, the new location has been posted to and accepted by
Alta Vista Search Service, so you can locate me by searching for
Captain Dick, antique sewing machines, ventriloquism, etc.

Changes to the site for Sept. are now posted.  Very minor in terms of
sewing... I corrected the identification of the 15-96 machine with
the floating bird decal on the Special Postings page and changed the
"story/routine" for the month.  This month features a children's
gospel ventriloquism routine.  Was a little surprised I got no
comments on last month's story, "A Perfect Rose".  It's one of my
favorites, but maybe a little sad for many.  Ah, well.  This month
the ventriloquism routine, next month another story... and, warning,
it will be October, so it will be a Halloween story...  Might even
post two, as I kind of have a tradition of posting "The Great Harvey"
for the ventriloquists in October, but also have a nice little ghost
story for kids.

Captain Dick
Subject: Hem stitcher
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:05:23 -0400

 I am looking for a Singer hem stitcher.  I have been e-mailed about several add on devisees that are called hem stitchers, but I thought that the hem stitcher I am looking for is an old singer machine.

The children dress makers use them, mainly for the collar, I think the machine uses two spools of thread and has two needles, the machine will punch a hole and sew around it to form a neat hole. and the needles move in many different directions. if you know of this machine and it's model # please let me know.or are all the extra parts just some kind of add on?
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:37:29 -0700
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/30/97


I was recently given as a gift a Copyright 1945 book titled "Master
Catalog Sewing Machine Parts and Supplies For All Makes of Machines
by Free Sewing Machine Co.,Rockford, Illinois. It has so much
useful information and pictures in it.  Couple of items of interest
recently discussed:
1. "Famous" Buttonhole - Shows a picture of this attachment. Beneath
it are two listings: Model C. Specify Head Style....List $9/Dealer $6.50
Model CC, Singer 66-1.......Same prices

Also to Kay regarding "Singer No. 36806 - what Kay described as a little
wire ring on the loop end ... This book shows a picture of this and 
lists it as a Needle Threader - Singer type sold for the price of .15
to the dealer a dozen for .75

I recently picked up an attachment box that read on the outside
"Griest Famous Long Shuttle Buttonholer" - It resembles Singer
Buttonholer No. 160506 and looks nothing like the "Famous" Buttonholer
mentioned above.

I've had so much luck finding attachments including a Rotary Hemstitcher 
which produces "Genuine Hemstitching Picot Edging and Applique" that I
must really take the time to learn how to use what I have.  Are there
any feathers who have mastered this or made anything with the

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:52:24 -0700
Subject: Need help

My sister in Lewisville, Texas has a White sewing machine, we believe it
is Model 312,  dated late 40's, early 50's.  It has a reverse stitch. 
It is electric. She has no bobbins for the machine.  A gentleman from a
sewing machine repair shop recommended that we email you to see if you
could help us locate some bobbins.

Can anyone help?


Subject: "Regular Attachments"
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:23:43 -0400

 Pam (re 99 attachments):

I have a list from the early to mid 50's that lists all attachments of the time (up to model 301). It lists the same "Regular Attachments" for all models.
They are:
Binder, multi-slotted
Edge stitcher
Hemmer (adjustable)
Hemmer (foot)

Most of the kits I've found also include the seam guide, some have the tucker, and a few come with a zipper/cording foot.

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 20:51:56 -0700
Subject: two motor questions

Hello everyone. This is cross posted so please excuse dupilcation.

	I have 2 questions about motors.  I found a Singer motor at a yard
sale. It is unlike any SM motor I have ever seen. It is cylindrical,
about 2.25" tall and 3.25" in diameter.  It actually look like a small
version of a ceiling fan motor.  I suspect that this is really not a SM
motor at all, but one that Singer made for some other item. Does anyone
have any insight in this??  THe motor is made in Canada.
	Also,  we found a GE Sewhandy ( the little green machine in the case
just like a FW), that had a faulty motor.  Any ideas on if it would
possible to replace?  It had GE Model 5BA41BA3 on it, No KJ.
	Thanks for any and all help you can give.
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 00:53:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sightings, etc.

Hi all!  I'm back from a trip to eastern Colorado, Guild Quilt Show and a
(recuperative) trip to San Luis Obispo, CA. We spotted several interesting
machines. Didn't see any for sale in Colorado, but saw a "Ruby" treadle in a
store as a prop and the Old Town in Burlington, CO has many on display
including a treadle named "Happy Home" and a Wilcox & Gibbs.

On the California central coast area, a group of Fanatics spotted a
"Florence" (interesting left to right feed), a Wilcox & Gibbs and several
hand cranks, none of which was for sale. But one antique store had 3 nice
(pricey) treadles, one a vertical feed, and 1"electrified" per the owner. Of
course, we wanted to see it and had to move dishes stacked on top of an
antiqued-red finished cabinet. Opened it up to reveal a "Rocketeer!" Some
electrification! Cool, in an odd way. Another shop had a Red Eye (we're
guessing 66 per Capt. Dick's book) that a friend took home.

My request today is for a manual to go with my 1909 Singer Model 24 treadle.
I have a copy of the electric version (Thanks, Capt. Dick!) but mine seems to
thread differently. My spool holder is at the lower rear right and the other
is top left side. Can anyone help? It seems to have a lot of places for the
thread to go through, so I'd like to get it right. I'm happy to pay shipping,
printing, etc. costs. Thanks, Kennalee
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:31:40 -0700
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/30/97

To Graham,
     Thanks for your reply on my treadle, I was suspicious of the wooden
treadle as well, We were stationed at Upper Heyford for 3 yrs and was
transferred back when it closed, we lived at Little Rissington, really
loved it and are hoping to go back again if it werent for "Bill"
we would've been back by now. My appraiser was an American not that it
would make a difference. I picked up a hand crank black head there at
a car boot sale with the name on it "Bisolt and Locke" ever hear of it?
Gave it to my dad when we got back. Thanks again for the info.
From Diane 
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:03:24 -0700
Subject: Singer Pinker

Hi Feathers-  I came across a Singer Pinker while out
this am. It was "spendy" but if you might be interested
I might be able to pick it up. I don't know anything about
these things so I didn't want to jump in too soon.
Also there is a set of Columbian exhibition cards at a local
shop. I think 1893. 35 of the things. If anyone might be
into those. Once again they were "spendy". 
 Also- Carol "in the redwoods" e-mail me if you see
this and are still looking for a 201. 
Hope all are having a good safe holiday weekend.
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/30/97
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:48:21 -0400

Rose  wrote---

>       One caveat--201 slide plates are not available from the sewing
> machine parts suppliers, a discontinued part.  I have not been able to
> locate a used one, either.  I may have to resort to cardboard to cover
> the hole.

I have 2  model 15's, and one 201.  The 201 has been restored to pristine
condition by my SMM.  He told me to keep the 15's for replacement parts for
the 201.  Doesn't that  apply to the slide plate?  Can't it go onto the 201
as a replacement?
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:37:27 -0400
Subject: Reversew SM

In an earlier post there was someone who was looking for a manual and parts
for a Reversew machine, I think the persons name is Bea???? An image of this
machine is on my site, look for manuals for sale and select image for the
Reversew model "rex".

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:39:05 -0400

 I was amazed at the amount of FW available for sale.  Thanks so much for
responding to my ad.  One woman suggested I adverstise in the local paper
to see if I could pick one up that way.  I followed her suggestion and will
have to wait until next week's paper.  I love reading all the letters. 
It's a great way to learn more about FW.  Thanks!  Karen
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:38:54 -0500
Subject: Kingston SM - Aug 30


My husband found one of these at a garage sale this weekend, but his was in
a cabinet.  He didn't buy it, since he had already blown his budget on a
Pre-war FW and table....

Still looking for a treadle and a 301 table!

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:47:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Lotus or Stella

Hello Everyone,

        Does anyone out there have an Elna "Stella or "Lotus" for sale or
know if there is one around.  thanks

        Also I have lost several pieces of mail since I have had my new PC.
Last week I had a request for a 201 and had several responses.  One person
asked me about "Quilt Guilds" in the Massachusetts area.  Should you see
this posting please contact me and I can give you some name of people who
may be of help.

        Kind regards to you all,  Larry
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 20:33:40 -0500
Subject: Betsy Ross Sewing Machine

I just saw a Betsy Ross miniature sewing machine at an antique store. 
It was in a red faux-alligator case, and I thought at first that it was
a toy.  But the instruction sheet said it was meant for sewing pillow
cases and other linens.  I didn't buy it, as I thought the price of
$65.00 was a bit steep, but I'm not too sure.  Did I make a mistake? 
Should I go back and get it?  It was in running condition.

I also bought two buttonholers-a White and a Kenmore, both with cams.  

At another shop I bought a box of various attachments.  There are many
Singer attachments in a green box, a metal box of Greist attachments
that clip on to metal racks in the box, a bag of other Greist
attachments, and a large bag of miscellaneous attachments that do not
say the maker on them.  I also got a Singer blind-stitch attachment and
a book for the 221-1.  If anyone is interested in any of this, let me

After I paid for all this, I told the owner that I was looking for a
Featherweight.  He said,"How many do you want?"  He has FIVE that he
hasn't priced yet.  I left my card and he said he'd get back to me in a
couple of weeks when he's looked them over.  He wouldn't let me see them
except to peek briefly at one in the case.  I can hardly wait.

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 00:31:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FW and Hotpoint

Hi Fellow FWF,
	I was very lucky to spot a FW at our local flea market. It is an AK model in
condition 8 with case and many attachments. It does not have the original
bakelite foot, so I got it for $285. I need to tune it up, but am very
pleased with my purchase. I also found a great Hotpoint that should clean up
nice for only $20. I need to refinish the wood case. Is the squared case
still called a Bentwood? Or is only the rounded wood case a Bentwood? I have
many attachments that will fit a White, but I have one of those, too. I am
assuming that White made this for Hotpoint. Does anybody know if White made
this for Hotpoint?
	I also held in my hands a pair of beautiful old scissors. She wanted $250
for them. I would rather have a FW! At least I got to see and hold them. They
were very sharp which surprised me. It was a lot of fun at the flea market.
Happy Collecting, Cathy
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 19:10:10 -0400
Subject: Featherweight

Hi Sue,

I saw your posting about featherweights.  I recently bought one.  It's a
221-1 (1956) model.  My brother found it at a flea market in Texas.  It
has several attachments, the original tube of lubricant, bobbins and
needles.  I recently had it serviced and it is running smoothly.  I
originally purchased the machine for classes or to take to my quilting
group when we sew.  My 1975 singer is in a cabinet and is hard to get
out and lug about.  What machines do you have?  Have you ever tried to
machine stitch a quilt (maybe a small project) on your featherweight? 
The stitch on mine is a little tight but the stitch isn't really that
bad at all.  But I hate to fool with the tension.  It cost about $70 to
get it serviced.  Would like to hear from you.

Happy Quilting,

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:49:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Price.

Hello there.
Could you please tell me how much my Singer Feather weight 221 .
Sieral # AM144162 would be worth and what year it was made.

                            Thank You  
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 21:00:24 -0400
Subject: Shaw & Clark

Hi All Feathers!! Sue I'm so happy your feeling better and thanks for a
wonderful digest and all your endless hours you put in !!!Anyone
interested in a "Shaw & Clark" 1863?? Anyway out of all my machines I
would say that I love the 201 the best YES including the FW if only
singer put a swing bed on that one boy what a machine that would have
been!!!!!!! No new find although I didn't go flea mkt'ng this weekend. I
threw my back out Thurs. (no not carrying the 201) if ya all remember
its been a yr. since a 201 dropped out of a cabinet onto my left foot 
ouch!!! it was louder than that!! Looking forward to School can't wait
to get rid of the little beggers!!! yup all 3 of them... More time to
sew!! Hope everyone had a Happy Labor Day...frish 
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 01:47:29 
Subject: Re: cleaning dust

Thanks for taking the trouble to clue me in!!! Can't figure out how I made that
mistake. Normally when I want to say something I just "reply" after reading the
digest and that seems to work, right? Thanks again. SusanK 
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 97 06:41:52 UT
Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 8/31/97

i will be at the irvine, ca collectible show this sunday,
sept 07.   i have lots of sewing stuff i donot normally take with me.  if 
anyone interested will be there let me know and i can bring it with me.
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 22:39:56 -0400
Subject: 221's

Hi everyone frish again, you all must think I hate kids well your right
(only kidding) I adore my 3 just glad schools starting. I was checking
out 221's tonight my 5 anyway. I came to the conclusion for 1st time
buyers if your buying the machine to sew with NOT for looks to go with a
black one pre-war sn AH and before some AH's do have the straight face
plate though. Only because I think they were all made "good" not cheap.
I have a 1934FW to a white 1968 FW boy did they cheapen things up!! The
emblem on the right arm instead of being brass is plastic and is glued
on the bobbin winder is plastic and the white one is belt driven which
means you can't sew over alot of fabric like you can the "older ones"
which are gear driven. I own 5 FW's 3 black a white and a tan the tan
ones are gear driven. I'm posting this because people get caught up in
alot of hipe. Believe me I love my white one she sure is pretty but if
your gonna use your FW alot and don't have one yet I suggest you buy a
black one. Pre-war if possible even the black ones they did away with
the tray  they came out with the side dish which breaks off most times
there laying on the bottom of the case when ya find them. Well I hope I
didn't get too many people mad.  frish 
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 06:04:15
Subject: Dirt marks on wood

Dear Feathers,

I have a Singer A-1 treadle (1889) I'm trying to clean right now, and I am
stumped as to how to clean up the black line caused by the coffin top
resting on the wood table part for 100 years. I have a perfect black
outline of where it goes, that extends most of the way around. before I
make this worse, please tell me what to do. So far, I've only tried
furniture oil, which took off some, but there's still a lot left.

thanks in advance,


Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:30:16 -0500
Subject: "Memphis" Singer decals

Judi said:

> Also got a Singer 127 treadle in a painted 5 drawer cabinet, fair
> condition, nice, clear decorations. .  According to Singer, it was made in
> 1912.  I am confused about something maybe someone here can help with.  The
> picture on the web that matches my machine exactly says it has "Memphis"
> decorations.  What does a winged Sphinx with a pharaoh's headdress have to
> do with Memphis?  This sounds Egyptian to me, but when I looked at a
> picture of a model that supposedly has Egyptian markings, it is nothing
> like this.  Can someone clear up this confusion for me???  

Long before Memphis was a city in Tennessee, it was a city in Egypt... 
There are several different versions of the Memphis decal set -- it was
used on several different machines starting in the 1880's, I believe,
and continuing into the 1920's.  But as far as I know, all of them have
the Sphinx as the major motif...


> Also, with this machine came a "freebie" the dealer tacked on when we tried
> to negotiate the price down on the treadle.  It's a Singer treadle head. 
> >From the info I have found on the net, it looks like a 66-3 with "red eye"
> decorations. 

It's more likely a 66-1 -- the dead giveaway is the presser foot.  If it
attaches with a screw from the back of the foot, it's a 66-1.  Pretty
good freebie, if you ask me!

Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:41:53 -0700
Subject: FW Table:  Is My Face Red!!

Hi, Feathers,
  A few weeks ago, I posted with a question about a table dh had spruced
up. When purchased, we thought it was a FW table, but after slipping my
little white FW(Pearl) into the brackets, I found there was enough space
between the end of the fold down bed and the left end of the hole to
drop a cat through. I was so disappointed, and began my quest to
determine just what machine this table was built for( translation:
lugged every machine in the house to this table, or vice versa ). 
Then late last week, reading FWF, someone mentioned that the fold down
bed on the white FW is shorter than on the black - aha! Sure enough, my
little black FW(Opal) is a perfect fit! Okay, so I didn't lug every
machine, obviously, but Opal was happy in her own table, with a quilt
project keeping her company.
I am proclaiming myself "Duh-Queen" for a day ( really should be for the
weeks it took me to figure this one out!).
I wouldn't tell anyone else but all the hundreds (thousands??) of FWF's
this story.
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:43:04 -0400
Subject: Treadle Model 66

Just called Singer and my machine's bday is 6/22/10.  They are sending
me a complimentary manual for it.  Isn't that great?  It runs really
well.  The cabinet is just beautiful.  It has 6 carved drawers and
beautiful carving on the sides.  What a buy at an antique store in
Brimfield for $80 and that it actually sews is a wonderful bonus.  It is
a red eye.  The IN in Singer is worn.  I guess from years of lifting it
in and out of the cabinet.  The man said it was his aunt's and she used
it alot.  
While shopping in one of the fields DH sniffed and said "Is that a fw
that I smell?", but alas it was only an old projecter in a musty case,
but I thought "Wow, Good Nose".  What fun!
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 97 04:45:03 UT
Subject: FW sitings

Just returned from a great weekend of SM hunting in Clarence, NY.  Saw a few 
FW's, but with the 40% exchange rate on top of the asking price, non of them 
followed me home to Canada!  There was a 221 Centennial for $375, in a fairly 
rough case; and a couple of regular models in good condition for $275 (with 
the oil can) and $300.  Saw a few toy SM's, including a Little Daisy toy 
treadle, with a price tag of $3500 (gasp!).  Came home with a Betsy Ross, and 
several varieties of oil cans.
A great place to go antiquing, but SM's were not terribly plentiful.
Happy hunting, everyone!
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:18:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/31/97

Still always reading, but usually don't have much to say.

Megan- According to my PARTS list, 36865 is an edgestitcher.

I need a copy or the real thing, for a 185J. Also need the slide plate.
Anyone have these for sale? Thanks, Kathy G.
Subject: machine clean up.
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:43:23 -0500

 Hi all.  I had a new machine fall into my lap on Sunday.  A friend of my husband's was at an auction and got a grimy Singer for $2.  He brought it to me to see if I wanted it--of course I said yes sight unseen.  He said the "case" was terrible and the machine was dirty.  He brought it in , it was a 15-91,  the "case" was a fruitwood type cabinet with tip-out drawer, and clamp for oil can on the left inside of the cabinet.  The top of the cabinet needs refinishing.  The rest cleaned up great.  The machine itself was coated in a thick gummy layer of tabacco smoke.  So much so that all the brightwork appeared to be brass colored.  I used Simple green on the laquer--cleaned up great, and decided to try some Noxon metal polish on the brightwork.  Fantastic results--it is all shiny and gorgeous and took that stuff off in no time at all.  The bobbin case was very rusty and the Noxon even cleaned it up great--it 
has a few dark discolored spots left, but no rust--I oiled it after cleaning and the machine sews great.  I had to disassemble the entire bobbin assembly and clean each part as they were all grime coated.  But it is back together and it all works great.  I've already made a set of curtains on it.    I discovered how to lower the feed dogs, Found the motor lube ports on the bottom side of the motor--this was a new discovery to me.  This machine also came with it's manual, attachments, several bobbins, and an old tube of lube.  What a bargain!!!

ate: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:24:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: ? DC area hunting grounds

Hello all,

I just moved to Washington, DC and am wondering if there are any good
areas to hunt sewing machines and related items? I'm a bit limited to
Metro-accessible areas as I don't have a car. I will, on occasion, be able 
to rent a car and get out to MD, VA and DE.

Also, how far away from the Rockville metro stop is G Street Fabrics? Can
I take a bus or cab without breaking the bank?

Please email me privately so as not to clutter the list. Thanks.

Nneka "I'm still featherless 
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:43:51
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/31/97

Hello FW folks

Now I must admit that I am not a collector of SM, but lately I have been
hanging out in thrift stores and the Goodwill.  This is NOT good since I
don't need any more machines......but I found something interesting today
and I need your help in telling me what I have.

I came across a Sovereign Sewing Machine in a carring case.  It has on it
the Precision Deluxe made in Japan.  It is a beautiful metalic blue and the
chrome is in excellent condition.  Inside the case it has the attatchment
box and a Lifetime Guarantee Bond card saying who bought and when (June 6,
1960) It also says it is Distributed by the Brother Sewing Machine Corp. of

Does anyone know anything about these machines????  I would love to get the
info on how to thread it...it is much different to the Singers!

Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:48:19 -0700
Subject: Meridian Sewing Machine

A good friend of mine just inherited a machine from her grandmother and is
wondering if anyone has any information on it.  Here is what she wrote
about it:

It's a Meridian Sewing Machine, made in Rockford, Ill.   It looks like a
featherweight, but has a pointed bobbin (shuttle).   It's very ornate, same
silver plate on the side, lots of gold filigree. It sews forward and
backwards and that's it--it has a beautiful stitch btw, much nicer than my
featherweights stitch. It's a bit heavier than a featherweight, but
couldn't weigh much more than 15 pounds.

There is a complete set of attachments, the original book, and it's in the
original sewing table, which was made by the same company.   The table
looks kind of like a featherweight table, but it's nicer--has a couple of
very very small drawers along the top for thread. It was purchased new by
the town librarian who died in the 60's and she'd had it for many many
years before my grandmother owned it.
Has anyone ever heard of this machine manufacturer?   I'm really not very
up on old machines, although I seem to be getting quite a collection of
them suddenly....

Subject: A Sad Tale
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:15:49 -0700


Oh, woe... we lost one...

Guy found my web site  (not an FW... just searched cold) and posted
me today... he'd found an "old
sewing machine" and could he bring it by for me to identify.   Turned
out to be a 1913 shoe maker/saddle makers leather machine.  Frozen,
lots of surface rust on the chromed steel parts... most monstrous
huge hand wheel I've ever seen, big triangular rocker arm on top like
an oil derrick.  In short... basically an anchor in its existing
condition.  However.... the
enamel and decaling were in great shape, and the latter was very

I had visions of getting it from him, since he obviously had no need
for or real interest in it, cleaning it up and just having it around
as a visual.  However.... his daughter is an "artist" in San
Francisco... specializes in "found object" art.... "she'll do
something really wonderful with this!" 


Captain Dick
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:54:06 -0400
Subject: Honeymoon Treadle

Purchased a 5-drawer  treadle cabinet w/a Honeymoon sewing machine.
There is no identification anywhere.  There is a silver colored plate on
the backside of the machine but it is blank , no writing.  It is very
dirty and wlll take 3-4 months of weekend work to refinish.  The woman
who sold it said it was from 1890's & this is all she could tell me.

Does anyone have knowledge of the Honeymoon name or resources for me to
start research.

Also, what is the defintion of Featheweight?  I will need to take photos
and forward down to whomever.

Looking forward to a reply.

Warmest regards.
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:58:44 -0700
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/26/97

Hello Fellow Fanatics!

If you are planning to attend the Pennsylvania National Quilt Extravaganza
in Fort Washington, PA, be sure to stop by the Little Foot booth and say
hi.  We'll be happy to act as a meeting place or information center.  Just
let us know when you get there and we will pass the word around.  Look in
your booklet for our booth number.

Phil at Little Foot
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 20:31:23 -0500
Subject: newspaper ad

Hello Fellow FWF,
Sherri- Coming out of lurkdom to say I thought your idea of the jig saw
bottom is a great idea.  I don't need one but sometimes there's a simple
solution to a problem and - hey- why didn't I think of that!  I don't
need the bottom plate but thought it was a great idea.  Someday I may-

Also, for those of you who have put ads in the paper, I'm seriously
considering doing that but but do you put in the ads exactly? "Small
black Singer portable" ? is that all.  Don't you get all kinds of replys
that aren't near a FW?  Do you keep the detailed questions for those
that call?  Do you ask them to call collect?  Appreciate your input.

Subject: Red FW
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 05:30:42 -0600

    I just got back from a week vacation trip to a remote part of Wyoming
(20 miles in on a dirt road, but very scenic in the mountains.)  I didn't
even hear about Princess Di until Monday night--what a tragedy!  
      Anyway, in catching up on my mail I read about a restored FW painted
red. I would like to see it.  Can someone please post the url for me? 
     I recently purchased a 403a for $20 from my elderly neighbor who is
moving to a small apartment.  There are no cams or manual and she said
something in the bobbin area was worn and needed to be replaced. I have not
had a chance to work with it yet. I want to restore it for a friend who
does a little mending but doesn't have room or $$$ for a new machine in a
cabinet. Any help with parts and manuel would be appreciated.   Thanks,
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 07:58:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: German zig zag?

Hi to everyone.
It's great to know that there are so many other sewing machine lovers.
Look forward to my fwf email every day since I joined.
I have a singer zig zag that is very unusual(at least to me)
The head is black,bone shape with singer written in a sparkle kind of gold.No
boarders but oil is written at all the points(spelled oel). The serial # is
On the singer oval the following is written:schutzmarka singer mahmaschinen
fabrik wittenberge.The bobbin is a singer 95-1 style mounted in the front on
a horizontal shaft.(no access from top,must load blind from the bottem)
The bobbin winder has the gear driven finger on a wheel(like the old style
When I got the machine the zig zag mechanism was frozen solid because the
cast cylinder that the cam rides on expanded from not being used.
I ended up manufacturing a new cylinder. Anyway; When I had everything apart,
I realized that the zig zag mechanism on this machine is identical to that of
a Pfaff 130.After investing about 30 houres restoring this beauty she is mint
inside and out.It's one of my favorite machines because she has the old style
charm but zig zags(which I find indespensible).
If anyone knows anything about this machine please email me.I know nothing
about it's history or origin.I will gladly email a pic to anyone with info or
just interested in
seeing it.
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 08:21:12 -0500
Subject: Found in Grandpa's Attic

Sunday my husband and his brother were invited to the old family farmhouse
to explore the attic in between renters moving in and out.  Wives and
grandkids got to come along and I was first in the door!!

I quickly spotted a sewing machine case (tan grass cloth and pretty dark
red/brown leather).  I grabbed it, opened it saw the words Singer, closed it
and declared it MINE!
Then I went back in for more treasure.

Yesterday, I had time to get out Captain Dick's book, some rags, cleaner and
oil and took a good look at my find.  It is "just" an early 66 (G4******)
about 1910-1913 red eye 66 treadle head that was converted to electric.  The
head is in fine working order but only about a 2 "beauty" wise.  I could
only determine it was a red eye by the faint shadow of a decal on the back
of the arm.  This machine was clearly used heavily as a treadle and as an
electric.  Major gouges in the paint, 90% of the decals gone from every
where (How does one wear the decals off the back and arm of a SM???)  Most
of the paint was off the front edge of the bed.

I guess my  66 collection is now complete as I have a pristine 66 red eye
treadle,  this sorry converted one and a nice 66-18 or 19 godzilla in a
little cabinet.  I told my DH  the sad 66 was worth keeping just for its
parts but the truth is I feel sorry for it,  I  think that it had a hard but
useful life and needs to stay with someone (me!) who appreciates that!
Besides - it was FREE!!!

I know, I've lost it......  

Oh, my other great find was 44 (yes 44) brand new home sewn aprons in
wonderful fabrics from the 50's.  Each apron is of the same design but with
different fabric and some have a second fabric for embellishment in pockets,
waist band etc.  Wonder what the story is there?  Who made these and why did
they make 44 different aprons. They are so cute I'm tempted to make a simpe
dress and wear the aprons as a fashion accessory!!

Now you know I'm deeply removed from reality.  I'm  41 and I've never worn
an apron in my life!!!

Subject: Singer 301-A
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:12:01 -0400

I recently bought a new Singer machine and would like to sell my old machine.  I have a singer 301-A, black and gold, short bed, it runs like a top. 
Other than a little tape on the foot pedal cord it is in great shape. 
It is in the orignal mahogany Singer cabinet, the cabinet is beautiful.

          Please E-Mail if interested
                     Thanks, Mary Kay
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:29:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Questions

Hi FeaFans,
I have a few questions I am hoping some will be able to help me with.
I have seen two old Singers in a thrift shop that are for sale. 
My questions are:
One is AA model with a lot of wiring repair needed, machine is in it's
original box,but the box is terribly damaged with scratches and dings and
such, parts are missing, finish is awfully marked with damage. The store is
selling this particular machine for $75. Is it a fair price? I would put the
machine's condition on the Forsdyke scale of no more than a 3.
The second machine is a model AF also with need of wiring repair. As a matter
of fact someone tried to rewire with a mish mash of cords and wire and it
looks terrible!   
I noticed the thrift shop had a sticker on it "Not Tested" and I don't blame
them; it looks as if it could start a fire by plugging it in. It also had a
lot of damage to the enamel job, is not in a case or any cabinet, missing the
bobbin case, and looks as if some other parts. On the Forsdyke scale, a 1 and
a half. It needs a lot of work to get it running. It is selling for $40. 
Are these fair prices for machines in such a condition?
Since I am new to this habit I am trying to learn what to look for and what
to pay.
Thanks in advance,
Colleen (trying not to buy every old looking machine I see!)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:51:17 -0500
Subject: Singer pinker model 121021

Hello all!

Recently, I submitted a posting about a Singer pinker that I had picked 
up at an auction.  As far as I can tell, the model number on it is 
121021.  When I tried to attach it to my model 15-125, it seemed to be 
too tall.  There was no manual in the very tattered box, so I don't know 
if I am trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, so to speak.  Does 
anyone know what models this pinker might work on?  It seems to be in 
very good shape and has the blade still in it.  The gears work fine when 
manually operated but I would like to see it operate on a real live 
machine :-)

Thanks to Sharon Reese for her picture of the Singer pinker attachment 
on her homepage - it showed me exactly how it should attach to the 
machine, now I just need to find out _what_ machine to attach it to!  
Hope that someone out there can help me.  
Subject: newspaper ads
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:39:42 EDT


Just out of curiosity.    Would those of you who have placed "wanted" ads
in newspapers for FW or other sewing machines e-mail me an example of the
wording in your ad.

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:00:51 -0700
Subject: Re:selling out

I placed an email in FWF for sale and have been literally swamped with
responses.For all those who have emailed me please bear with the delay and
I,ll surely get back to all of you.
Subject: 201 swingbed
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:57:13 -0700


someone said, "if only Singer had put a swing bed on the 201"... they

I have a 201 portable that is in a wooden base with a great swing bed
on it.  It came in a tweed suitcase type case like the 301's.  I have
seen one other of these wooden bases, which unfortunatley I couldn't
buy (wasn't for sale, even though it didn't have a machine in it).  
If there is enought interest I'll try to get a picture up.

Incidentally, someone raised a question which I will answer here.  I
respond to questions almost every day, sometimes quite long and
detailed.  don't respond here becuase I just don't want to "hog the
limelight" or something.  Anyway, lady asked if I objected to her
putting the information I gave her up on the list.  I quess it's use
your own judgement... If you think it's worth the list space to
enough people, go ahead.   I certainly don't object. 

Good news note;  I THINK I will finish the 32 complex blocks of my
challenge quilt today.  Been a long haul... I forced myself to do
them one piece at a time, ala 1930, no strip quilting roller cutting.
  It's taken nearly 3 weeks to do what I probably could have done in
a couple of days.   The other 32 blocks are simpler.  But it
Captain Dick
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:43:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/1/97

It was mentioned that someone was going to use cardboard to cover the hole
left by a missing slide plate because the part was discontinued.  I have a
better idea.  When this happened with one of mine, My DH cut a piece of
plexiglass to fit.  It's a lot better looking than cardboard and has the
added advantage of being see thru and allows you to see the inner working of
your machine which can be quite fascinating on the older machines.

Love and Joy....Madge 
Subject: re: Singer Consumer Affairs
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 17:38:28 PDT

Anyone know what's up with the Singer Consumer Affairs line????  I've been trying to get through for 2 days now.  In the past I've always gotten right through to a real person.  I tried it real early this morning, and got a machine, then waited on hold for 1/2 hour.  I had to go to a meeting, so I had to hang up finally.  The number I am calling is the same one I've called in the past 1-800-877-7762.

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:38:43 -0600
Subject: Singer 128

Dear All,

Does anyone out there sew with a 128?  Do I just have a lemon or is this
one swine of a sewing machine?  I picked up a very nice (looking)
Centennial model with my birthday money this summer but I'm very
disappointed with it.  I usually test drive all my machines by piecing
together a queen-size quilt top but I couldn't get anywhere near that much
sewn.  It's just no fun at all when you can't feed straight across
previously sewn seams.  I had it serviced by my Singerguy, who had 42 years
service with the company and seems to know what he's doing.  This is my
first vintage machine to achieve a Not Satisfactory rating.  I guess I've
got myself a unique c.8 doorstop.

Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:36:11 -0400
Subject: Back in the saddle again!

Hi all!
Just getting back from two weeks vacation and catching up on all the
digests!  I wanted to share with you a few experiences and ask for help
on one thing......
1.  I brought my newly aquired white FW on vacation and it's a dream
machine!  It sews much better than my Centenial - and I thought that was 
'the best'!  I was having a ball with it and really appreciate it's
speed.  This baby hums along.  
2.  I bought TWO Singer oil bottles in my travels, I find them very
interesting.  One has a typical green and red Singer label, but the
other has a royal blue and red label.  Has anyone else found one with a
blue and red label?  Are they more rare?  I've only seen the green
3.  I found the above mentioned bottles at this really neat shop on Rte
111A in Gilford NH, called Cadys.  It's a gift shop, but the owner also
deals in some collectibles.  For any of you seeking a buttonholer, and 
might be traveling in the area,  she's got a Singer Buttonholer that
will fit a FW for $20.00, it's in very nice shape.  Also, if you've got
more 'play' money than I, there's a darling Shaker Sewing Cabinet in the
upstairs loft.  It's to 'die for', but the price tag was a bit high for
me.  I just love Shaker style anything!
4.  Just before leaving on vacation, I bought a Wilcox and Gibbs machine
and it's frozen.  I've treated it with WD40 three or four times and it
still won't budge, any other thoughts on how to unfreeze it?  Or, should
I just keep at it with the WD40?
Have a good one, good to back on line!
Subject: Precision SMs and great shop in Central NJ
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:13:26 -0400

 I've seen a couple of postings about the blue Precision sewing machines. We
have come across a few of these at Goodwill and thrift stores. They are
Japanese made (Precision Sewing Machine Company, one of the companies formed
during the reconstruction after WWII, I think). All the ones I have seen are
very good model 15 clones. I haven't sewn with one, but they appear to be
very good quality, and that blue color and chrome are very beautiful. I
would suspect that you could use a Singer 15 manual as a reference for
threading, oiling, and such. If we hadn't made an oath to only buy Singer
(so there'll be some room in our home for ourselves) I would have picked up
one of the Precision's a long time ago. If you haven't seen one, just
imagine the sewing machine equivalent of a 57 Belair.

Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:02:38 -0400
Subject: New discovery

Hi everyone,
	I had never seen a FW before Thanksgiving of last year, and that's when
DH and I began collecting.  At least, I *thought* I had never seen a
FW.  The truth is that I have had a photo of a FW for several years, I
just did not know what it was.  In the book "A Patchwork Christmas" by
Margit Echols there is a photo of a pre-war FW  on pp. 10-11.  I just
was not interested in old SMs, I guess.  All of my energies were
directed at acquiring newly produced SMs.  

Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:20:14 -0700
Subject: 285 manual

Would the FWF looking for a copy of a Singer model 285 manual please
email me. Thanks, Millie
Subject: SM Museum
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:37:23 -0700

I just got back my pictures of the SM Museum in Arlington, TX, and the first thing I thought was "I have got to go back!"  The group I organized to go to the museum ended up being 4 FWF and 1 very nice spouse (she liked the cabinets), and we all had a lot of fun.  Frank, the owner, gave us royal treatment because we're collectors.  He pointed out the extra special, one-of-a-kind machines and told us all about sewing machine history.  We asked him a lot of questions, and I think he enjoyed talking with people who appreciate the machines so much.  He had SM stuff everywhere!  Even the bathroom was filled with SM's!  (I could have spent an hour in there much less the other rooms!)  As soon as I can bribe my brother-in-law to scan my pictures, I'll put some on my web page.

I highly recommend that people visit the museum if they go to the DFW area.  Give yourself a couple of hours.  Frank is a real talker, so be prepared to learn a lot!  One word of caution: he doesn't air condition the place as much as we would have liked, so go in the morning or during a cool time of the year.  BTW, his web page is: http://rampages.onramp.net/~arlprosv/museum.htm You can get his phone # and address there.

Also, we not only enjoyed the museum; we enjoyed each other's company.  It is a lot of fun to get together with people who can talk about SM's as long as you can and not start staring into space all glassy eyed!  (I'm assuming I'm not the only one who's gotten that look from non-collectors. : )  )  So if there are other FWF's in your area, I really recommend getting together.

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 01:02:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Passed up :-(

Hi everyone,
We just got back from a little excursion.  DH & I got up at 3:30 AM Monday &
headed 250 miles in the fog to the Straits of Mackinac to meet my brother,
who came up from lower Mich., & 63,000 other people for the annual bridge
walk.  While we were that far we decided to go up to the Canadian Soo to
check out the shops there & see if that one 99 with the neat decals was still
there that we had seen in June.  Alas, Labor Day is also a Canadian holiday &
everything was closed. :'-(

So we detoured across the northern U.P. for more shopping. No SMs came home
with us, but I'm wondering if we passed up a couple of goodies.  The big hang
up was that they all were in cabinets!  What does everyone do with the
cabinets? Should we take the heads out for display? Use the cabinets for
firewood? or give to Goodwill?  I'd like to have them workable without a lot
of hassle, but we only have so much room.  Maybe it'll be better when we get
shelves made & more organized.

We saw our first 101.  That sure is different.  The decals on the bed were
half gone.  The shop owner said that the man's grandmother had used it up
until she went into a nursing home.  No attachments.  The cabinet was
somewhat worn.  We could have had it for $30.  Should we?

At another place we saw a Damascus.  It looked like brand new!  All shiney &
the decals perfect, but we're trying to limit ourselves to Singers. The
decals were a large scroll type design--green with a spot of red.  It was an
electric oscillating shuttle!  All bright & shiney.  The manual with it was
yellowed & looked like 20-30's era by the drawings .  It called it a Model B
The cabinet was very worn by comparison.  Also with it was the little Singer
Shortcuts to Sewing Vol. 1 and some attachments.   I tried to buy the Singer
book, but he wouldn't sell it separate.  Price on that was marked down to

Another one there which also looked almost like new was a model 15 type with
a belt driven motor.  AH 894297  Also in a cabinet, extra bobbin & the little
oval oil can in the clip in the drawer.  That was $30.

So, what should we do?  Go back? (it's about 3 hours from here)  What to do
with the cabinets?  Except for the Red Eyes & a 15-91 Centenial we don't have
anything like those.

We also saw a couple red eye treadles at another place, but we already have
2.  Good prices; one had the puzzle box full ( the best part) but a rough
incomplete treadle.  The other one had a head with decals in beautiful
condition (better than ours), but -another- treadle base  :-\

Are they worth going back for?
Gail R 
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:42:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Statistics & He's HOme!

Hello All,
I was told by my Internet provider last month, that I
had the largest amount of hits for the user base for
ICSI for Houston, Larado, and Victoria. Wow, so, in
the past three months I've had 90,000 or so hits on the
featherweight site. (go see, http://www.icsi.net/~pickens  
if you want to see...)

I got a 401 from my parents on my last visit.  So far
I've used the 401 table (very similar to the 221 table,
I might add...) for doing my sewing work on between
my 221, and my White 1970's machine....one day I'll get
the 401 out!
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/30/97
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:40:55 +0100

To Kay re antique hunting on WA and Canada

Just north of Seattle is Snohomish (sp?) which is full of antique shops.
There are usually sewing machine there but 	I've always thgought them
very expensive. Never made it into Canada from tehre but ISMACS USA
representative Sharon Tedrow has had some good finds on Vancouver Island.

To Mary H re replacing bobbin cases.

I'd replace the entire bobbin holder assembly from the other machine.

To Alan re Jones data.

 Neat time I get at the MS collection I will forward the information on her
machines. There's also a history of the company  I wrote some time back.
Mail me if you need a copy.
Would also be interested in publishing the results of your work in ISMACS News.

However please remember that serial numbers are a bit of a minefield.
Singer were fairly routine about numbering but other manufacturers would
leaps great groups of numbers, revert to previously unused ones (like
Singer with the G series), start each year of each model with a new series
etc etc.

To all re Princess Diana
Thanks for the the personal messages. I'm no Royalist but, as one friend
put it, the lady was a "class act" and should not have died so young in
such circumstances. The people of England are far more affected that I
would have suspected.

To Kay re "baby Singer"

A litt;e confused about the 1895 book and what they mean by a "baby" Singer.

To Millie re treadles and health
There was deep concern in various medical journals in the last century that
the acting or working a treadle sewing machine might be injurous to a
lady's health. Particular concern was that too much sewing would make a
woman infertile.

To Mike H re reference book

Please add to to the list of orders. Always interested in stuff for the
ISMACS reference archive.

Just for reference, copyright exists for 100 years after the death of the
holder. Checked this out recently with a lawyer at the patent office who
told me that this is a general  rule accepted by all countries that were
signatories of the international copyright act (includes US, Canada, UK
most of Europe etc) . Really shouldn't let it worry you. ISMACS News has
page after page of stuff that is probably someone's copyright  and no-one
has chased us in 12 yeasrs.
I will always seek permission to reprint something that is in current
availability  and have never had a refusal.

To Carol et al re Bays book

I'm told that this is available somewhere on the net, remaindered at $28
inc postage in USA. It's great for pictures of pre 1900 machines but has
some historical faults and, of course, the price guide is a complete joke.

To Lollie

Can do a copy manual of the Elna Supermatic if you can't find one more
locally. Mail me.

To Clay
Suggest that you do a quick check that you have endfloat on the shafts
before you strip the whole mechanism.

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:09:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 

  Someone mention they had parts---etc for the reversew machine at there web
http://webhome idirect.com/~bbannen/homepage.htm--------but Aol wouldn't let
me enter the site??? Could that person please e-mail me ----I'm more
interrested in finding out info on machine.  Tks-----Bea
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:02:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Singer Typewriter

I love this list! Thanks to you, In one month I went from knowing virtually
nothing about FWs to owning two: a white with a beat-up bottom and glorious
top, (restored from near-death by a wonderful fellow in SoCal named Frank
Pacillo---now it sews like a dream); and a black AL model with all
accessories, for a price that's above garage sale but below internet. I'm
thrilled! So,when I wandered into a thrift store this afternoon (quite by
accident) how could I help but buy a beautiful, tiny, immaculate condition 9
1/2 (if it were  a sewing machine) aqua green portable Singer Typewriter,
complete with manual, (pictures of men in 50s hats carrying it around), in a
brown plasticy leatherette case also in great condition! Haven't decided
whether to keep it (can't figure out where to hide it from DH,  my closets
are stuffed full of fabric), but it seems excellent. Anyone know anything
about Singer typewriters? Where could I get more info? As a professional
writer I love typewriters almost as much as sewing machines....uh oh, this
could be the start of ANOTHER new collection!....Cathy
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:25:15 +0000
Subject: HELP


	I have jammed the bobbin spinner and possibly bent it for it no longer
spins freely now that the thread is out of it.
	  What can I do?

Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:30:46
Subject: my feeble attempt at ?

Dear Fws; this latest electronic age is quite scary for a throw back like
myself and quite often the computer and such overwhelm me, a friend will
quite often plays the games on our computer and my wife and i will say what
will he do to the computer this time last night we spent a hour debugging
it so it would work. If he wasnt a plumber and did all my plumbing for
free, I would kick his well you know. Anyhow just finished a 27 decro with
peacocks came out nice in a oak style 2 cabinet with brass pulls. Next
project is a oak white from approx. 1890s with 7 drawers.  

Questions going to South Bend indiana in two or three weeks can a local fw
suggest any places to visit in that area. This is the first time I have
gone to US in approx. 3 years farmer sydrome, ie scared to leave the farm.
I own a Studebaker car 1959 and have been meaning to go to southbend for
twenty years and have two friends one for 25 and my brother inlaw who are
taking me forciable  not against my will. So I want to see a bit, being a
sewing machine mechanic not a quilter I wont  visit any fabric stores but
also warn scared of big cities and traffic and bad areas , grew up on farm
and drove a super MTA long before a car.  Now enough talk about this also
have done a lot more on sewing machine showroom and now have a quilt show
at a local museum where we will put on a treadle dislplay in may of 98. 

Will be talking of this later, also if anyone has been e mail me and i dont
answer try again have had a few little problems but think its solved now.
well better go to work. 

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:09:39 EDT
Subject: 128 Knee Control

I am lacking the knee control for a Godzilla 128.  My DD's control works (her
SM is Canadian) and this is what is engraved on it:  192972    99K    251   SET
and below that is:  Simanco    128K    200    SET.
Anyone out there have one of these for sale?   Please???
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:49:24 -0400
Subject: Challenge!!!!!

Hi all!
I'm still catching up on the digests after being away for two weeks! I
just wanted to let you all know I'm busily trying to work on my
challenge, in between getting unpacked and the kids starting school
yesterday.  Have cut the sashing, and am just starting to piece it all
together.  It's laid out on the floor of my sewing room and is looking
pretty good!  Lucky thing it's a wall hanging (but a fairly large and
detailed one), or I'd never get it done on time!
My choice of machines is a 1908 Model 28 Singer Handcrank.  It's such a
wonderful machine to work with.  I love that a handcrank lets you "stop
on a dime" with no guesswork!  What a thrill to see this quilt actually
looking so similar to one pictured in the photo copy I made so long ago
from a quilt history book borrowed from my local library.  I really took
the time to attempt to match vintage and repro fabric to achieve an
almost identical look.  I hope that the unknown creator of that original
quilt I copied is somehow looking down upon my efforts and smiling! : )
Take care and keep those fingers busy!

Oh yes, Xenia , are you out there?  E-mails are bouncing back - did
you change your addresss?  Please e-mail me privately!
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:23:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: The real value of your machine

Just a comment on frequently ask questions.  At the end of each of these
letters is the Singer number.  Call for the date of your machine.  Also SBS's
book have a very good chart in it for dating a machine.  So does Captain Dick
in his field guide.  Not set in stone if you get it from any source.  But you
will have an idea.  I am talking about the not so rare machines like the FW
or 201, the real rare ones are not really what this list serve is about.

Second.....what is your machine worth??  What did you pay for it?  That is
what it was worth to whom ever  you got it from.  (This is not including you
mom or granny as the donor...that raises that value to priceless.)  Would you
take that for the machine?  No, then what would you really take for it.  Be
realistic, that is what it is worth and not one dollar (or pound) more. The
fact that you dear granny picked cotton to pay for it means zero on the price
you can get for it from a non-relative.

I collect (only 19 so far....) and I know what the market value is of a
machine is before I make the offer or ask the price.  This is an investment
and a collection.  If I have always wanted a particular machine them I may be
willing to pay more for the first one than I would for the second.  

There may be someone out there who will pay 600 for your FW.  It isn't me.  I
have talked with a lot of dealers and they all know of another state or area
that you can get 3 times what they are asking.  I have been to the very sales
or markets they told me about only to hear the same thing from them!

My point is to do your homework.  Bargins are out there if you are willing to
look and wait.  I have never advertised for a machine.  Don't need to as I am
getting known as someone who will pay cash for an old machine.  (Money
talks....you know the rest)  I also collect the story that goes with the
machine if it is believeable.  Since I love the Singers I have certain ones
that I have promised never to sell....and I will honestly keep that promise.
 There are four special machines in my collection like that.  The rest were
bought and will stay with me as long as I have an interest in them.

I try to bargin so that both of us, the seller and myself, walk away from the
deal feeling good about it.  I have yet to see a machine that I could not
leave where it is.  If it a well loved family machine I ask them to discuss
it with their love ones before selling.   And they often do and then still
call me to come for the machines.  

In yard sales and ads I bargin with for the best price....the thrill of the
chase.  I let them wheel and deal and feel that they got one over on
me....they may call me back with more.   I answer ads that say very little
about the machine for sale.  Have gotten a walnut tredle for $60 that was
listed as a "older Singer pedal machine".  The woman tried to act like it was
12 years old.  It was 72.  I do not feel bad about buying a $40 FW at an
estate sale or auction.  That is what it is worth at that time.  If it was
worth more they would ask that amount or not offer it for sale.  Will I sell
it for a modest profit over that?  Would you?  (Be honest)  

So what is a machine worth?  The answer is based on the buyer and the seller
and nothing else....even condition.  That is why the price guides are
worthless...unless I am using it to try to get a better price for a machine I
am selling.....   I use the books to know what I have, I do my own homework
on the true value.  IMHO Captain Dick did a bang up job on the field guide
without a single photo.

Now will all the ones who are readly to flame me form a line on the right and
those that just want my head please line up on the left.

Blessed Be
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:41:34 -0700

Headquarters for the sewing machine collector's underground announced
today that a new record has been set... a Singer class 66 bobbin was
found with no less than 15 different threads wound on it!

Once again, we issue our warning to those who wind multiple threads
on bobbins and those who put tape on machine beds...  we have ways of
finding out who you are.  Our retribution will be slow... but sure.  

Captain Dick
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:57:42
Subject: TOO MUCH

To: Pam  - $550 is WAY too much IMHO (in my humble opinion) for
a "1924 Singer" in a 5-drawer oak cabinet. You will find many in your
travels for less than 1/2 that, and you will find many for around $50 -
betcha! I have - 4 times. And at the moment I know where there is a
BEAUTIFUL treadle, in a wonderfully preserved treadle cabinet (coffin top)
with a nice working White in it for $159. - in an antique mall - been there
a few months. Don't do it, Pammy. Shannon
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:51:43
Subject: road trip

Hi Feathered Friends: My Mom and I have decided to take a road trip up the
west coast of the U.S. all the way to Victoria, B.C. We want to set an
itinerary that includes the usual fwf stuff: thrift shops, junk stores,
antique malls, and we are quilters. Any suggestions will be welcomed. We
will be gone Sept 16-30. Anybody need anything delivered along the route?
UPS'rUS   Shannon
Subject: Plexiglass side plates
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:37:10 -0700

Plexiglass for the side plate... WOW!!!  what an idea!   I'm going to
try that on my 201.  You could see the bobbin and know when it's
getting down.  Just a great idea.

Captain Dick
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:12:12 -0500
Subject: hello

 my name is Mary   .... i have a featherweight
sewing machine that is in the case it is in good condition othere than
it needs a new bobbin case and foot control some where along the way
with all are moves we have lost it..i am trying to decide wether to
trade it in or sell out right. i do not know the value of it can some
one please help me thank you in advance..
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:16:27 -0400
Subject: singer genie

i picked up a genie sm at a flea market for $9.00 it was missing a foot
control but i had one to fit .it works like a charm. it was made in
canadasr#j33270051. with it came box of accesories including a
zigzager.were they on a canadian machine as i havent seen them mentioned
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:31:39 -0400
Subject: Slide plate for 99-31; Mercury Deluxe SM 

Hello all:

Someone sent me an e-mail saying that she had a slightly worn slide plate
that I could buy for my "new" 99-31 Singer.  Unfortunately, I deleted the
e-mail.  If you have an extra slide plate for this SM that you'll part
with, please e-mail me.

Also, over the long weekend I bought two treasures.  The first was an old
but very functional red wagon. My boyfriend likes the wagon!  Then I 
bought something to put in it!  I now have a little black 1953 Mercury
Deluxe SM, made in Japan.  The case is made of plain wood, but would
refinish nicely.  First, does anyone know any thing about this SM?  And ,
second, what are your thoughts on whether I  (or rather my boyfriend)
should refinish the case or not.  I'll probably never sell it...it has
that "cute factor" that I like.  

I saw some treadles but I'm not ready  to buy one yet.  The prices were
under $200, though.  Is that reasonable? 

Well, that's all for now.  Thanks in advance for your help.

Subject: Re: Singer Pinking attachment
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:14:21 -0700

I recently listed a Singer Pinking attachment for sale on ebay and was
reading the instruction book that came with it.  It states:  "It (pinking
attachment) is readily attached to any Singer lockstitch family sewing
machine, with the exception of Machines 66-1 and 66-3"  I don't know if
this helps or not.  It is a very small instruction book and not much
detail.  It does look like the attachment is tall, but on the machine in
the picture it is narrow enough to fit. 
Date: 4 Sep 1997 22:57:50 PST
Subject: 201 slide plate/15 slide plate

To Judy ,
      Re:  using a Model 15 slide plate in a 201.

      I have a 15-91 as well as the 201's, and and a 101.  Believe me, I
checked my whole stock of machines for a similar slide plate, and no
luck.  The 15-91 plate is about the same width but about 3 inches long,
and the 201's plate is about 2 inches long.  The 1924ish 101 attaches
differently altogether.
      Someone suggested that a metal working shop could possibly clone
one.  I may go that route if it's not too expensive.

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/31/97
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:01:29 +0100

To Margie re Pfaff

I'm aware that we only went part of the route with the list of serieal
numbers and dates in the last ISMACS News. Next one out early next month
will have pictures of most models from 1880 to 1940  and should help you
identify your machine.  Would need to know what it is before I know if we
have a manual.

Re what's it worth

The doctors have told me to keep calm and not get worked up. Therefore I
will not comment on the near 1000-word what's-it-worth message in a recent
digest. To think, I actually paid to download it.

To Susan

K is for Kilbowie, the town near Clydbank in Scotland where the British
Singers were made. Don't thionk I know an "a". "A" is, of course Anderson .
Will get the full list up on the ISMACS web site soon.

To Judith

The Royal St John is a  Free Sewing Machine Company model made in Rockford
Ill.. Certainly from around the 1920s to 30s.
Memphis decoration is a new one on me.
As to books, the Bays one is OK with some nice pictures but a Mickey Mouse
price guide and  some major historical faults, the Slaten one is hopeless
in all directions (Minnie Mouse?). Suggest you get C. Dicks field guide and
also the Singer Reccognition Manual from ISMACS site http://www.ismacs.net

both are cheap and accurate.

To Laura re fried motor

Don't panic -- simply get the motor fixed. Check out yellow pages for
electric motor engineers. Not all will do the small motors but some will.
This same advice applies to all sewing machine motors. Many of the
Featherweights that Maggie sells have completely rebuilt motor internals to
original Singer specification. Not expensive`and how great to know that the
motor is litterally as "good as new".

To Terri re copper tube and carrot juice

Please send detail plans for instalation. I always believe in going to an
expert for advice.

To Pam re Singer price

$550 sounds way to high, even for the west coast. Would have thought $300
was nearer the mark. There are probably still hundreds of thousands of
these treadles around -- in Europe they are totally unsellable -- and a
better priced one will surely turn up.

Thanks for the support over the smoking thing. All this nagging is no real
problem and I am quite sure most folk know only too well how much
impression it makes.

Graham F
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/1/97
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:02:00 +0100

To Diane

The Boot sales are still going great.

Bisolt and Locke were a German company formed in Meissen in 1893. Business
closed at the outbreak of the first world war.

To Koko

Betsy Ross was indeed a toy -- and cheap today at $65.

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/2/97
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:01:57 +0100

To frish re machine quality

I tend to agree that quality of the Featherweights reduced, especially with
the white 221s but it went up again with a bang with the 222. This is just
about the best engineered machine Singer ever produced.

Thinking again about the  preceeding parabraph. The white 221 had a stick
on badge. belt drive, a plastic cover on the sewing head and a steel
extension table but  although all of these items saved the company money,
not one reduced the sewing performance

To Jeannie

I think I saw that Daisy toy treadle a year back at $4500. If it's losing
$1000 a year, in a couple of years's time the price will be just about

To Kathe

The only Meridian I know was made by the Standard Sewing Machine Co of
Cleveland Ohio. But you state Rockford Ill which was the home base of the
Free Company.

To Dick re boot stitcher

You had a lucky escape. Just not collectable. At the last ISMACS auction
there was one of these in c9 condition with all the extras. I tried to get
a bid at $50 -- no takers. I tried $20, same result. At this stage the
owner broke in and said that he would deliver it for free for anyone who
would pay the gas money.  Still no-one raised a hand and the guy was last
seen heading in the direction of the city dump.

To khandra

The Honeymoon machine was made by the Standard Company.

Graham F
Date: Thu,  4 Sep 1997 22:18:45, -0500
Subject: great shop in NJ?

for Clay: Your subject mentioned a "great shop in NJ", but you never got
around to telling us what it was! No fair.

Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:53:41 -0600
Subject: Black Buttonholer Box

Hi all, 

Today at a thrift store I found 2 Singer buttonholers, one in the
typical green gonzilla rubber box and one similar except the box is
black.  The buttonholer in it is the standard straight one.  I have
never seen anyone mention a black one before, is it rare, what is the
significance of the black, in other words why/what was it for?  I was
just as excited to find something I'd never seen before as I was about
the table saw that I'd been looking for for a long time for $50.

Also would any of you that sell the old sewing machines and/or
accessories in a retail situation please share tips with me about doing
so?  I have a booth in a craft mall that is just opening this week in
which I will put these type of items along with crazy quilted item I
make with old machines I have.  This is new to me and want to avoid any
problems if possible.

Thanks a lot,  Andrea 
Subject: 128 lemon
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:41:56 -0400

 Jenny, you must have a lemon. We have two 128's. One is a Centennial, and the other is an older one (1925) with the kneebar. They both sew beautifully. (We also have a 127 treadle, and its a real speed demon. If it were electric, I don't think that I could give it fabric fast enough.) Maybe your motor is ill. Our Centennial ran kinda slow until I loaded up the grease tubes and ran her for a few seconds at full bore. I could see the speed increase as the grease worked its way in. The older one wouldn't run at all, then I noticed that the screw for the top motor brush was gone, and I was looking down an empty square hole. Even worse, the little threaded socket the screw goes into was missing. Luckily, we have parts machines to backup both 128s. One motor swap later, and she was all better. Just make sure with these electric long-shuttles that you have all four rubber feet on the case, and don't keep your coffee cup too close to the edge of the table.

And, in a previous posting, I mentioned a shop in central NJ in the subject line, and went on to say nothing about it in the message. Doh! Anyway, a couple of miles south of New Brunswick on Rt 130 (northbound side) there's an antique/gift shop with herb shop and florist in back. Old sm's can be found in at least two of the buildings. I saw at least 4 Singer treadles, a 15-91, 66 redeye in a bentwood case, older 128 with knee lever, a couple of other bentwood cases, and a White Rotary in a Martha Washington cabinet. The prices seemed to range from $50 (15-91) to a little over $100 (very nice 66-1 treadle). He told me he's been there for a couple of months and seems to move sm's pretty well. I especially like the fact that he agrees with me on the severe punishment that should be doled out to those who destroy good treadle machines, just to make little marble-topped tables. The place is called "Davidson Mill Village", 2430 Route #130, 732-940-8600.

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:41:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/3/97

I really hate to show my age here but the aprons did bring back memories.
 When I started sewing one of the first things I made was an apron.  During
the late forties and up to the late 50's women wore them around the house.
 Remember that fabric was not as stain resistant as now and there were not
that many appliances.  When you did the laundry you got splashed.  The first
washer I remember that was not a open tub that agitated was in the mid
fifties.  My mom got a closed in  one and the dealer gave me a Davy Crocket
tent with her purchase.  

Doing the dishes was all by hand as well as no microwave or frozen food
items.  The freezer in the fridge was about a foot square in the the middle
of the top of the fridge.  With all this fun you would need to change dresses
if you got wet or messed up.  So the apron was the answer.  If it got wet or
 stained it was not the loss as a dress would be.  Mom had about 20 aprons
just for herself.  A woman who sewed made them as gifts for others.  She had
sunday aprons with trims and work aprons that were not fancy.

Hmmm....I think I need to go take some Lydia Pinham...who knows what that is?

Subject: plexiglass slide plate
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:49:41 -0400


Great idea. And how about this -- With a machine that uses 66-class bobbins, use the clear plastic type, (and the plexiglass plate) and you'll always be able to see how much bobbin thread you have left.

Subject: New Fanatic
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:57:06 -0500

Greetings Fellow FW Fanatics!

I just became a fanatic yesterday.  I was walking to a local yard sale and
passed the Senior Center who was having one of their own............. I saw
"it" sitting there on the table of the front porch ... my eyes glassed over
and my adrenalin began to pump.  I tried not to look like a predator -- HA!
They knew it was old, but  they didn't really know what it was they had.  I
checked it out, took it inside and tried it.    It had no case or
attachments, only the straight stitch foot and one bobbin, but it sewed so
perfectly I thought I was dreaming.  I got it for $75.  My 201 FW was born
on October 31, 1951 and has the special bicentennial plate.  I brought it
home, cleaned and oiled it only where I was sure it should be and it sews
like a dream.  It's in #8 condition on Graham Forsdyke's scale.  I have
already order the new FW book, but would like some instruction on oiling
before the book arrives.  Can someone help?  

By way of intoduction, I am a professional quilter and teacher here in
central West Virginia and I feel like I have just given birth, I'm glad to
know that there are people out there who "understands"

Thanks............in stitches,
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 05:45:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re fw tables

Hi Feathers,

I need help with my newly acquired model 312 fw card table.Perhaps this has
been covered before I started Fwf,but my table is is fairly good shape & I'd
like to get it right. The hinges have some rust on them...DW40?  

The top is in good shape except for a few small holes that look as though
they were drilled on one edge .I would like to fill those in but don't know
what to use..help!

Thanks Sue for this wonderful list...I can't wait till I get it each day!

Mn Annie
Subject: Re: Singer 128
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 97 06:33:07 -0500

To Jenny in Calgary:

I have two 128s, one born in 1951 and one in 1937/38.  I've not sewn 
anything yet with the newer one, but have pieced a small quilt top with 
the other.  I was absolutely delighted with the results, and yes, I had 
many seams that crossed.  No problems.  Other than making some minor 
adjustments in tension, I did nothing special to get the machine working.

Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:45:32 -0400
Subject: Compact Machine

Hi All:
When on vacation, DH and I went to a Flea Market in Charlestown RI last
Sunday morning.  We found a machine that was an exact (with a different
face plate) clone of a 99K called a Compact.  Has anyone else ever seen
one of these?  I wonder who made it?  I was tempted to buy it, as the
dealer had a $30.00 price tag on it, and as soon as he noted we were
interested in it he, said we could have it for half price, $15.00.  But,
it was almost a half mile walk to the car and it was HOT, and well, you
know, we just left it!  Had it been a FW - I'd have been willing to
carry it for sure!
The case was pretty interesting - light green painted wood, with
flowered decals on it (I'd say 1940's), I really liked it.  I find
myself thinking about the machine allot and wishing I had picked it up! 
Well, I must know if any of you have one of these darlings and wheather
I passed up something really collectible or not!  It's still there, I'll
bet, anybody in RI who wants it - it's fair game!
Take care,
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:20:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Singer Compact Free-Arm

Hello Dear Feathers,

I bought an unusual little machine at a flea market. The machine is a Singer
model number 212 (that's not a typo).  It is white plastic with a removable
extension table which doubles as an accessory box. When the little table is
removed the machine is a free-arm. There is a carrying handle which folds
down on top. The machine is small -- 9.25-inches tall and 10-inches wide. 

My local Singer repair man had never seen a 212 before. He sent away for a
manual and a new power cord. The manual cost $17, while I only paid $20 for
the machine itself.  The funny thing about the 212 is its power/speed range
switch with two speeds -- low and high. It sews smoothly, but I have not
tried to do a project on it, so I don't know how hard it will be to reach up
to the machine base and turn the power on and off while sewing. I think it
also might be hard to remember to turn the wheel toward me to raise the
needle. It is a zig zag machine. Really a cute little thing, but it will be a
long time until it reaches vintage status. On the back of the manual (part
69310) the notation 7/92 appears. Maybe Singer was thinking of making the
Featherweight again. I know one they called Featherweight came out a couple
of years ago, but this is not it.

Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 11:01:13 -0400
Subject: still catchin up!

Hi all!
Just posted a short while ago, but forgot to add in something!
On Aug. 31st, Marie Pintar wrote of her concerns cleaning a black line
caused by the coffin top resting on the wood table for 100 years.
Just to throw in my two cents.....
I have a similar line on my Wheeler and Wilson and White Treadles, but
would not attempt to remove them.  I think they are a tribute to the
length of time these cabinets have withstood.  I kind of like the
"shadows" of time......  I'd leave the lines and appreciate them.
Not everyone would agree, but even though my White was refinished, the
shadow is still there and I think it's ever so nice!
No matter what, enjoy your machines!
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:47:47 -0400
Subject: Grandma's Sewing Machine...

Hello everyone!

My mother and I are both avid sewers - more me these days, since my mom's
eyesight is giving her problems with those itsy bitsy needles...

Anyway, my grandmother passed a handful of years ago, and my mother wants
to get rid of her sewing machine.  My grandmother was an odd sort, and
never used her brand new Free Westinghouse sewing machine, complete with
table.  It is model AHC, and my mother is curious if it's worth anything.
Absolutely everything is in the sewing machine table, complete with
original baggies - which have never been opened.  Neither of us have any
knowledge of this machine, or have any desire to keep it (we're both
digital machine owners).

Is this machine worth any collector's value?  How much would it cost to
ship this to a purchaser?  We believe it was purchased in the late 40s,
early 50s.  Does anyone know of anyone that would have an interest in this

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:31:55 +0000
Subject: Blue "Precision" Machines; WTB 301A light cover

Hi, all - I've been lurking for a while, enjoying all your posts.  I 
live in central Connecticut, and have a few older machines - most of 
which I still haven't had time to clean up or even check on (two of 
my grandmother's machines are still in the attic) but after the rash 
of postings about the blue Precision machine, I thought I'd better 
let you all know - the one I got at a tag sale this summer for $10 
HAS A MANUAL!  I can make copies for those of you who need it, for 
postage plus a little.  It's a really pretty machine - I'd rate mine 
a 9 - and sews really well.

My main machine, which I use for nearly everything, is a tan long-bed 
301A - I LOVE this machine!  I would like to replace the light cover, 
though - the enamel is pretty badly chipped.  Anybody parting out a 
tan 301, and want to sell that part?

Looking forward to hearing from a few information-starved Precision 
owners!  lol

Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:34:49 -0400
Subject: sewing machine

I have a Edison foot paddle with oak cabinet that was my dad's mother.
She passes at a young age--my father had this for years until 7 years
ago, he gave it to me. He passes at the age of 70. This machine still
works, very well taken care of. Any info
would help.
Thank you
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:08:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: Serial numbers

Hi FWF's.

I posted this eariler and never saw it in the digest so I'm not sure where it
went.  I am going to post it again.  I'm sorry if it did make it and everyone
has to read it again.

To Graham:
Hi there!  Here are the serial numbers for the various machines I just got.

 For the wheeler Wilsons (3 of them) the serial numbers are: 838297.  The bed
has a slight "waste" and has a brass embossed W/W emblem in the center of it.
 2nd machine: 291483  this bed has a very pronounced "waste" (It's skinny).
 3rd machine: 331603  this has the same bed shape as the number 2 machine.  I
have an original manual for these 3.

The Florence: 99487  This apears to have hand painted designs on it.  It is
not nearly as fancy as the one I saw on the ISMACS web site but has a similar
shape to it.  The cloth plate has the silver plating mostly gone.  I don't
know if this machine ever had a "cover" for it.  I have an original manual
for this.

Wilcox GIbbs: 154300  This has what I think is the bronze plated legs.  It
definately is a bronze color.  Can you tell me more about the "bronze".  A
magnet will stick to it so I know there is iron in it.

Singer: 15105008    I think this is a model 128 but not sure.  I know that I
could call Singer myself but just though I would include it in the post.
 This is a handcrank and the lid to it is square and very fancy.  It has
handles on each side of the lid.  In the front of the lid is some applied
embossed wood.  Really pretty.

Thank you Graham for your previous post on these machines.  You have answered
a lot of my questions and I appreciate your help.

A special THANKS to "Frank" and "George" for all of your great information.

Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 11:30:30 -0700
Subject: TRADE 


I picked up a large box of sewing machine accessories and there were
several "DOMESTIC" attachments including feet, 5 binders numbered 1-5,
a ruffler I believe with 1234 on the top wheel, something that looks
like a knife and some miscellaneous other parts.  Does anyone want to
trade for these?   I have featherweights, a treadle model 27 and a
128 and GE SEW HANDY.  I would be interested in manuals, or accessories.

Please e-mail me - let's trade!!

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:03:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/3/97

In a message dated 97-09-04 18:47:27 EDT, you write:

>> 4.  Just before leaving on vacation, I bought a Wilcox and Gibbs machine
 and it's frozen.  I've treated it with WD40 three or four times and it
 still won't budge, any other thoughts on how to unfreeze it?  Or, should
 I just keep at it with the WD40? >>

DH uses Liquid Wrench sometimes, too.
Gail R.
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:56:49 -0500
Subject: bargaining

I agree with you completly on values and priceing.  We all love a real
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:59:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/3/97

Hi there fellow feathers,

Finally got caught up on all the news I missed while on vacation in New
England.  We had a great time but, alas no sm's.  Did pick up a primo Singer
VS #2 treadle in a walnut cabinet for $90 at an area flea market though.  

Also a hand crank W & G for$90 at an auction (not nearly as good condition).
 Did get some original W & G needles with it and a wrench.  However, it is
missing the spool pin.  I am hoping that someone in this vast group may have
one that will work.  

Also, Graham, can you tell me anything about this W & G:  S/N A380333
and do you have any type of manual for this one (copy or otherwise)? 

Am also looking for ORIGINAL manuals for the following:
     1900    Model #27
     1905    Model #66
     1923    Model #99K
     1946    Model #221-1
     1955    Model #221

DH has been bitten by the SMF bug.  Guess that's good but not quite sure!  We
are running out of places to put them.  (And we keep finding more!)

Oh, well.  Will just have to cope B-D

Thanks in advance for your help.  

Jo Ann 
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:58:01 -0600
Subject: Re:FW table

Hi Feathers,  We found a nice FW table (yes, at a yard sale for
$5.00) and decided to refinish it-stripped it yesterday, and it
looks as if we'll have to do it again--very uneven color.  DH
says to check with you all--perhaps we're trying to make the
proverbial silk purse etc...... Just what is the finish like on
these tables? I've never seen any but this one--we would like it
to look as original as possible--wouldn't have touched it, but
it had white paint spilled here and there.  I also have the
Famous Model C Buttonhole attachment.It came with my FW--have
never used it, and don't intend to, but it's a nice conversation
piece.  Sincere mentions it on page 193 of the Service Book.
Thanks for any advice   Jona in Boise  
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 07:34:48 -0500
Subject: Using a 15 for 201 spare parts

Judy   said:

> I have 2  model 15's, and one 201.  The 201 has been restored to pristine
> condition by my SMM.  He told me to keep the 15's for replacement parts for
> the 201.  Doesn't that  apply to the slide plate?  Can't it go onto the 201
> as a replacement?

Definitely not.  It would apply to parts that seem to be shared between
a lot of Singer models, like the needle clamp, bobbin-winder, pieces of
the tension assembly, etc. but the slide plate is one of those more
model-specific pieces...

Subject: For the dedicated Singer collector
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:21:39 -0700

DH frequently bids on guns from an auction house that specializes in guns and hunting/sporting goods.  Their latest flier mentioned a rare Singer gun.  He considered bidding on it until he downloaded the full description and expected sales price:

"907. Colt 1911A1 .45 Cal. auto, manufactured by "Singer Mfg. Co., Elizabeth, NJ". This absolutely all original pistol is marked "US Property" on frame, retains at least 98% bright shiny blue with only minor holster wear. Comes with original US flap holster marked "Boyt-J.R.J." on reverse. The gun has bright shiny bore, composition brown checkered grips. Comes with letter from consignor stating his purchase from widow whose husband owned gun from the early 1950's. Please note this gun is being sold with 100% guarantee as to it's authenticity!! One of the finest examples of a "Singer" we have encountered!! Serial # S800XXX, "JKC" inspected. FFL Required. Overall grade is near--- Mint. $7500.00-$15000.00"

So does anyone want to give me a small loan?

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 07:03:29 -0500
Subject: Women's Health

Graham talked about medical journals of the last Century and women's health
in conjunction with using a treadler.  I have several sewing books and
general health books from prior to WWI that discuss the "Hygiene" of women
using their sewing machine.  Includes posture while a the machine and uses
euphemisms for pregnancy and "monthlies" where it might be prudent to avoid
using the machine.  What a hoot!

Electric Singer Typewriters in the 1960's were relabled Smith-Coorona's.
Not sure about manuals.  How do I know this?  Needed a typewriter for
college and in pricing various ones found the Singer would cost about $20
less than the Smith-Corona and the machines were identical except for the
name.  $20 doesn't sound like much but on the budget I was on it was.  That
was 20 pitchers of beer during happy hour.  Very important in the life of a
college student.
Subject: pricing/value
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:27:54 +0000

Moonsage:right on!!

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:42:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sightings

I visited a booth (#599) in the Antique Mall of Texas in Austin a couple of
days ago and saw 2 FWs.  One was probably a 9, with gold intact, case with
locks and handle, and attachments, an EF.  They were asking more than I was
ready to pay, but I didn't try to bargain.  Anita said the owner has about 8
FWs in cases,  in storage.  If you're in the Austin area and want to check
them out, they're located off I-35 at exit #251.

 I recently came across 2 Jones handcranks, which I'd never seen before.
One had "Family CS, as supplied to her majesty Queen Alexandra," all its
parts, decals in very good condition, and dark-colored wooden box with key.
Decorations were really pretty, with what looked grape leaves.  I think the
serial number was 10014.  The other Jones was missing the "J" (worn off),
but otherwise good condition.  It just had "Family C.S."  I think the serial
number was 391753.  (Maybe not.  The two serial numbers have different
number of digits?)   Anyone have any information on Jones machines?  Any
ideas about what kind of price range these have been selling for?  I don't
recall any discussion, but then not everything on the digest registers,
especially on a machine I haven't seen yet?!? 

TIA!  Sharon
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:09:45 -0500
Subject: Should I Buy or Not?!

Hello All:

Just sitting here and I have to respond.  To anyone who wonders about
purchasing an antique for $55...I have a personal notion that anything
under $100 is mine unless it comes in basket (and even then sometimes).  It
saves time and money in the long run just to purchase it outright. Aside
from that they aren't making them anymore.

DW's second Featherweight was a case in point.  Arrived home after being
gone for 2 hours. Didn't buy it. Went through all the story.  Ended up
going back to get it. Nice one too!

If it means grilled cheese for a couple of days...ah, why not.  Life is
short, seize the day.

This now as a DH, I just finshed my first two projects and made two
complete sets of slip covers for the sofa and love seat we have in the
family room. Used my 221 and its cardtable. If I sound a little smug, may
be I feel that way today.  It sure was fun and rewarding.  Now its time to
get back to the tear down of the white FW.

Subject: Re: white FWs
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 97 20:02:49 -0500

Last spring I bought a white Featherweight from a fellow FWF.  Recently 
I've been using it for some foundation piecing, and I have to say that it 
sews beautifully. Very quiet, and a nice stitch.  The tension is a bit 
stiff, and even a low setting is pretty tight on the upper thread, but 
I've found a nicely balanced stitch.  It sews (so far) more reliably than 
a 1961 black 221K that I have.

Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 20:02:22 -0500
Subject: To Renea

Renea:  You had asked about instructions for the Singer Craft Guide.  Did you get
them?  If not, I can make you a copy.  Just let me know one way or the other.
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 21:37:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Strange World Of Antique Shops!

	So I walk into a toney antique shop in Pasadena, California. "Do you have
any sewing machines?" I ask. "Oh no," says the lady, "We never buy those. We
just have a portable."
   "Gee! I like portables! They ARE sewing machines! Can you show it to me?"
    "Well, maybe. Not sure I can get it open."  She seeks out a case.  Finds
it. Yup, black and small. She fiddles with the latch. It doesn't open. Before
I can say a word, she takes a hammer and starts SMASHING the reluctant latch.
It finally opens. She pulls out the machine. It's an oldie. Rust on the
faceplate. "I see there's rust on the faceplate!" I say. "Oh no, that's not
rust, that'll wipe right off." "It's rust," I say. "No, it's not," she says.
She's got the lid of the machine toward me so that I can barely see it. I
have to peek around the lid. Like she's hiding it. So I examine the inside of
the box instead. There's no attachments. no manual. No nothing, just a foot
pedal. Finally I say, "Do you mind if I LOOK at the machine?" She lets me see
a little more of it.  It ain't gorgeous. Not a centennial or free-arm or
anything exotic.  "How much do you want for it?" I finally ask (It does have
a scrolled faceplate, which I would love.) "Well," she says authoritatively,
"They're normally $600-700. They're very desirable and collectible. But since
it's missing some things, I'm selling it for a really low price.  $250."   
   Forget it.  Even in my short experience with FW's I know she's wrong.
 They're not  NORMALLY $600. I've seen beauties in quilt shops, and from
reputable dealers  for half that price.  Just hope this store doesn't take a
hammer to it too many more times, poor little thing.....
Subject: black buttonholer box
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:33:38 -0700

To Andrea:
I also have a black buttonholer box, and I know of one other person who has one.  However, these are the only two I've seen/heard of.

Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 20:34:26 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/5/97

Hello.  I have manuals for Singers 201-2 and 66-18 and would like to
trade one for a FW manual.  I have an 30ish FW but no manual.  Is any
one interested?  Please email me.  Thanks!

Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 19:31:51 -0500
Subject: Help!; model 128; Houston quilt festival

Help!  I need a slide plate for a model 15, preferably nickel-plated. 
Does anyone have an extra?

Jenny   said:

> Does anyone out there sew with a 128?  Do I just have a lemon or is this
> one swine of a sewing machine?  [clip]...  It's just no fun at all when 
> you can't feed straight across previously sewn seams.  

A thought -- sometimes, when you have trouble sewing straight
(especially with a machine that is normally as stable as the 128) it's
because the feed dogs aren't grabbing the fabric enough.  One common
cause for this is lint under the needle plate and in the teeth of the
feed dogs, and it's hard to see unless you've taken off the needle
plate.  Once you have the needle plate off, you can see if there's lint
that's trapped underneath, and I even run a straight pin between the
teeth of the feed dogs.  (You'd be surprised how much gunk you can pry
out that way!)  

I've never used one of the 1950's 128s, but my experience with earlier
versions is that they stitch straight, even seams, even when you're
powering the machine by handcrank...  

I've been thinking about the festival this year, and I've decided to
have an ISMACS/FWF informal get-together sometime during the festival at
my house.  What I'd like to know is this:  if you're coming to the
festival, what day/evening would be best?  (I know that people who are
working at the festival are going to have trouble with a daytime
meeting.)  I was thinking about Friday or Saturday evening, or perhaps
even Sunday, but I would like to hear from any of you who are

And, of course, even if you aren't going to the festival, but wouldn't
mind driving to Houston for a day, you're welcome, too!

Date: Sat,  6 Sep 1997 22:17:35, -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics 9/5/97

Hello fellow FWFers:  Does anyone out there have any attachments for 
FW's?  I have a couple that do not have any attachments and the poor 
little machines are lonely without them.  Please e-mail me if you 
have any for sale.

I found out today that replacement motors for the FW's are available 
for about $50.  I didnt look at it too closely but it has a bolt-on 
plate and the  little pulley at the end of the motor shaft.  If 
anyone needs one of these please let me know.
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 20:13:16 -0700
Subject: Grayhound "P"

I was out looking for FW and saw a machine "Grayhound P."  Pretty black 
machine with gold decals.  It has a Hamilton Beach motor, oak case and a 
neat accesories box.  The lady said it runs but they couldn't figure the 
threading so didn't quite sew.  The cord was so frayed I don't think I 
would start it but fairly easy to replace I think. Has anyone heard of 
these machines or used them?  Thanks Ingrid 

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