Featherweight Fanatics Archives


Sunday, October 5 - Saturday, October 11

Subject: Finds coming more and better!
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 00:58:38 -0400

First, we recently got a beautiful 28K handcrank, thanks to Chris on St.
Simons Is. (And he got a 201 from us. To me, this is what a group like FWf
is all about.) This one has the "bell-shaped" bentwood case, and a very
ornate, hard to describe scrollwork. (I'll get pics up on our website in a
day or two.) And, a nice SM guy we often visit with recently gave us a great
deal on an 8+ 500A with case.
Wednesday, I had visited an antique shop in Somerville, NJ, and found a very
nice "Beige" transition-type model 20, with box, clamp and manual. Condition
8 all around, with a 10 on the manual. Manual looked to never have been
opened, and the machine has that "brand-new" stiffness. Someone must have
taken the needles, thread and screwdriver to use elsewhere. Price was right,
but my cash was low, so I put her on layaway with plans to pick her up on
the weekend. So we went back there today (Saturday) and paid her off,
gathered her up, and proceeded to explore the shop.
After coming back up from the basement, I looked toward the counter, and
momentarily went mentally blank when I saw "it", a new-looking little maple
oval-topped table, with a pair of doors in front. Came back to my senses as
Shelly gasped from behind me, and went over to check out the price tag.
"Sewing Machine Stand, $69." Now the adrenaline was up. Immediately cleared
it off and opened it up. Aside from some scratch marks in the furniture wax
on top, one of the little leather pads on the bracket broken, and a 1"x1/4"
piece of veneer coming off the bottom of one leg, it was PERFECT. We had
never expected to even see one of these in person, let alone in such good
condition, and at a such a price. Needless to say, I ran to get the car,
loaded her up, and we came straight home to place Emily (our '38 FW) in the
place of honor.
Shelly says our collection is now "complete". (Well, except for one of those
card tables, for FW or 301, we're not picky. And, should a tan FW or
Centennial something-or-other follow me home from work, we couldn't put it o
ut. But other that that, we're done.) So does the FW now belong in the
"Cabinets" section of our website, or remain with the "Portables"?

"Mondo Happy Dancing" ,
Clay & Shelly
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 05:17:56 UT
Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 9/30/97

for those of you that love toy sewing machines, check out the Christmas Penney 
catalog.  There is a toy black singer in there.  Really cute.
Subject: Sincere's Sewing Machine Manual
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 05:02:33 -0700

As an avid reader of FWF-and owner of a couple of Featherweights, I was
wondering if any of your readers/members have had a problem with the
order/delivery of the "Sincere's Sewing Machine Manual" offered for sale by

I have paid for my book 7 months ago and still cannot get a delivery date
or refund and now there are websites claiming this merchandise was a fraud?
 Have you any information?

Thank you for any info you can give me.

Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 08:23:08 -0400
Subject: Spartan machines

My father saw a machine made by singer in Great Britan called a Spartan.
It looks like a featherweight, but the bottom or the base that the machine
is screwed into feels like it is made out of lead.  Can you tell me is the
machine itself the same as a featherweight?  I would appreciate any
information you have.  
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 09:13:11 +0400
Subject: What'sit?

I have a small Singer 75-3, patent date 1903.  It apparently was made
for something other than garment sewing, but I need help deciding what
that was.  The machine head is about the size of a 221, has a small
solid hand wheel set low on the right side, has no belts in the drive. 
There are 2 tension guides for thread, one on the back, and one on the
front near the expected position.  There is no spool pin, nor is there a
place for any sort of bobbin.  
When the needle goes into the hole in the throat plate, a wicked curved
piece comes up from below, through the throat plate, moving from right
to left - it looks like a tiny curved dagger.  The machine (very heavy,
BTW) fits into a rectangular base that has a hinged plate on the front. 
When the machine is in place, that hinged plate folds over the working
mechanism, creating a curved hump instead of a flat bed on which to work
the material.  What the heck is this?  TIA

Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:04:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SMUR

Priscilla, funny you should mention this idea as it has occurred to me many,
many times.  In the next six weeks, I will be traveling from my home in
Western NYState to Michigan, Philadelphia and Wash DC.  I also make trips to
North and South Carolina and Maryland. With my nest empty, our van has alot
of space!!  Since shipping is the most difficult part.... Also was thinking
of the old Psychology Today article on "Small World" where they demonstrated
that you could get something to a person somewhere in the world with only
5-10 exchanges given the rules that it had to be passed by someone with
someone with whom you had an acquaintance.  I am sure there are FWFers who
vacation in wonderful exotic places or have relatives that regularly travel
between spots.

Subject: Error in Date LIst - "F" Series
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 08:46:40 -0700

Hi, everyone;

Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa.    I'm afraid the error re dating
"F" series machines includes the list in the Field Guide.   My source
(at that time) was the "Sewing Machine Blue Book", issue of
1994/1995.   When I first read Grahams's post to ISMACS I was afraid
I had made a pure out typo, but no, that was the information I had.  
In any event, when in doubt, trust Graham.  Those with Guides, post a
correction by "F" to show that series as 1910 - 1920.

And many thanks for those whose interest and pursuit brought out the
correct answer.   That's what's so wonderful about this group. 

Captain Dick
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 12:34:02 EDT
Subject: 301 Table

I would like to buy a table for my shortbed 301A.  Thanks.
Connie in Lexington, KY. where it's been one great weekend:  the weather is
perfection, the fall horse racing meet has just started at Keeneland, UK beat
Alabama (first time since 1920) in overtime last night, and our Thoroughblades
ice hockey won two in a row!!!  Can it get any better than this?  Yes, it can
for I found an electric Sears TSM in perfect shape, complete with case and
original box, and I don't even collect 'em   ; > )
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/3/97

I have an aunt with a very old Singer treadle machine in its cabinet that
belonged to my great uncle, a tailor. The cabinet has three small drawers on
each side with little round black knobs on the front. In the drawers were all
of the original old thread, attachments, tailors chalk, and some boxes that I
have never heard described on the list. The look like little red matchboxes
that slide out, with the name Singer on the top, and they say 100 needles.
Inside with tissue are 100 sewing machine needles. Has anyone else every
heard or seen such a thing? Should I offer my aunt for the machine. It is
still in working condition.

Thanks for any help you can give.


Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 20:04:12 -0400
Subject: Latest find

Hello all!

DH went garage sale-ing and brought home our newest treasure...a Wilcox
and Gibbs! Really don't know much about it except that the lady brought
it to this country in the '20's. It looks like it's been well used, top
has been lost along the way, if there was any gold it's long gone, but
the base looks very good. It's got some rust on it and been electrified,
but we think the motor is seized up and needs cleaning. I have a few
questions that I would be grateful for any help on (didn't keep past
info on these machines :O  
1. Is there a SN on there that I could get a ballpark date for this
2. I would like a manual, copy is fine, will pay costs, etc.
3. How do I get a motor unseized?

Off the subject of the W&G, I like all my machines to be running & so
far the only one that I don't is my Elna #1 Grasshopper...no juice!!
Does anyone have a powercord for sale?

Thanks for your help!

Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:41:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: First FW

Just had to share with my fellow fanatics:  I found a FW at a garage sale
last week for $20.  It seems to be in fair shape, but is missing the
attachments.  The serial no. is an AF, which I think makes it 1938-41.  The
case was missing the tray and one of the latches is broken, but I am so
excited!  I hope that my husband and I can fix it up.  I'd love to find one
in great condition, but will probably end up buying one.  I have been to 2
sales in the last 3 wks (I am not a garage sale person).  At the first one, I
bought a Singer treadle from about !924-26.  The cabinet has not been treated
kindly, but the machine looks pretty good.  I paid $50 for it.  I don't know
if that is a good price or not, but I thought we could restore the cabinet.
 Then at the second garage sale, I found the FW.   Anyways, I just wanted to
share my news.

Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:12:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 1428?

In a message dated 97-10-06 00:05:52 EDT, you write:

>> HI All. I saw an ad today that read like this; 1400 yr antique sewing
 machine and walnut cabinet. A misprint right? OK I called and the lady
 said oh no the SM was made in year 1428. >>

That's a new one!  It sounds more like the era the spinning wheel was

Gail R 
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:13:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Musings from Moonsage

re: Touch and Sew

One of the most common problem with this machine is that it jams...a lot.  I
have found that when this happens it is due to the bobbin.  They are plastic
and the halves screw together.  Over time the shaft gets longer and there is
not enough room for the machine to adjust to this.  When I have a jam I
tighten the bobbin to see if it is a little loose and I mark it with a
permanent marker.  If it jams again and the tightening did not help I toss
it.  FW use a metal bobbin and we are not haveing to worry about them getting
out of shape unless you step on them.  The plastic bobbins are not built for
lasting forever.

re: honesty

I will not lie to anyone to get the price down to a rediculous level.  With
that said I will add that I will not refuse to purchase any machine if I
think the price is too low.  The idea of it being a moral obligation or
personal flaw to do otherwise is unrealistic.  I have bought from elderly
women and I did so with the understanding that they have already asked their
family about it.  Not everyone has the love I have for the machine and hence
do not value it the same.  If the person has a disability that would limit
their setting a fair price, I would encourage them to talk with their family.
 In one case I called the family myself and got assurance that it was OK.  

The only family input I have had where the outcome was changed was when the
daughter rushed over to sell her machine to me along with the one I got from
her mother.  Most of the families that have wanted a machine from a relative
already have it or have made "mom" or whoever aware that they want it.  In my
family the names of the person was put on the back of the item for when the
relatives dies or breaks up the household.  I did not get the machine.....my
brother had given mom the down payment and it went to him.  I said nothing
for 10 years, then I asked if he wanted to sell it.  He told me I could have
it.  Ironic that his wife had traded it in less than a year after they got it
for a kenmore.  He never noticed that she had and thought he was giving me
mom's domestic.  It happens.

In a previous note I talked about price and value.  I will add this....if you
feel that you are obligated to point out vastly underpriced machines....do
you do that as quickly as you would overpriced?  I seldom "price" the machine
as I prefer for them to do that.  If they ask I will tell them the truth.
 The machine may be valued at a level that is outside the price I will pay.
 Most of the ones I buy are referrals or ads.  The price is set.  If it
bothers you morally to pay the undervalued amount do not answer the ad.  

On the other hand...it is immoral and unethical to convince someone the
mahcine is worth far less than it is so you can get it for nothing.  I have
been asked to set the value IMHO for the machine and then I could not pay
that amount.  I tell them that it is valued at $$$$ but I can only pay $$$.
 If they want to try and sell it at the value I do not get upset about it.  I
give them my number and they can call me if they decide to take my offered

I do not know about other areas, here in the south if it is remotely referred
to as an antique then the people go nuts thinking that it is valued at 10
times the original price.  Face it,  we are all talking about a used machine
for any FW.  Some of the other machines that are older, rarer and getting
into the area of antique.  Then you see prices that are off the scale for the
humble collector like me.  

re: tredles

Why did we ever go to electric?  I have been quilting on a tredle and having
a ball.  Not so noisy that I have to turn up the volume of the TV or CD
player.  And you stop on a dime.  Like a bike...once you learn to use it you
never forget.  Amazing the things one does when they are retired.  It would
be a little difficult to take to class...

Blessed Be
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:14:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mystery Machine

Hi, all.
A 222K Centennial-does anyone know where I could see an image of this
machine or better yet see it close up. Thanks to all who came over to my
site and helped me with the identification of the Charles Raymond No 1
treadle, I thought this was so much fun I purchased two very early sewing
machines at an estate sale today and have them up for
identification..honestly I have no idea what they are. If you enjoy a good
mystery and have a wee bit of detective blood in you, go on over and see
what you discover.

I purchased a Singer 128 handcrank yesterday from the daughter-inlaw of a 90
year old women who in rural Newfoundland had sewn and made all the clothes
for her..get this..9 boys and 5 girls "WOW" the sewing machine apparently in
the younger years of the children was of real interest and according to the
daughter-inlaw there was none who could sew like "Nellie" This sewing
machine was the families focal point, whenever company showed up "Nellie"
would uncover the machine and demonstrate the ease of operation.  All the
years "Nellie" carted this machine around, she only gave up sewing with it
about 4 years past when she was physically unable to turn the wheel. I just
love hearing the history of these machines, this 128 is an extension of
"Nellie" and forever I hope will be called not a 128 but "Nellie's Machine"

I'll have an image of "Nellie's Machine" up very shortly.

Subject: GE machine
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 06:39:18 -0400

I was lucky enough to find a really nice GE/Sewhandy machine at an
antique store yesterday for $75 - it's in very good condition and
appears pretty complete. What I thought you all might enjoy reading
is the following quote from the intro to the book that came with it.
It's in a section called "Now That You Have Your Sewing Machine" and
says: "And You are now the owner of a sewing machine with which you
can attain the best and most satisfactory results. It weighs so
little - only 15 1/2lbs - that you can sew any place you like. It is
no longer a question of taking your work to your machine, but taking
your machine to your work. It does not vibrate - you can use it on a
card table in any convenient spot! Because of its rotary bobbin and
open hook mechanism it will not clog. Above all you can sew anything
from the daintiest materials to the heaviest woolens without any
adjustment to the machine. There are really no limits to what your
G-E sewing machine will do - it is capable of doing all that the
larger machines do and more!" I thought this all sounded awfully like
the later claims made by Singer for the FW - but that's not too
surprising, is it? Sue 
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:04:41 -0400
Subject: Help!


The movers will be here in one week. Has anyone ever moved with their
machines? Should I trust the movers to pack them? Our furniture is going
to France in a sea container. Should I bubble wrap my FW and 301s inside
of there cases? Take the 99 handcrank out of its bentwood case, the head
of the 201 out of the cabinet? 

Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Katy
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:10:42
Subject: Odd attatchments

Dear experts : )
I have several questions....

	I have, in my searching, come across assorted attatchments for Singer
machines.  Not all of them say for which machine they are for.  How would I
go about finding out which model they belong to?

Also I hear many of you refering to the Centenial models.  What or when
does it make a Singer a Centenial.

Also  I went to my local library and ...of course....they had no books on
sewing machines.  Anyway is there a list out there of books or references
that would help me identify Singer and othere makes of SM.  I do have Capt.
Dicks little book , but no pictures.

And lastly...where would one go to learn more about how to find new parts
for machines and to repair them.  I went to one place SM shop and a man
looked up a part in a cataloge.  It have tons of parts.  Does anyone know
of companies that I can order direct?

BTW I was lucky to find a old Singer in. 15 in the coffin case, hand crank.
 It is a beauty!!!!

Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:26:19 +0100
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/4/97

To Jack et al re Vindex

Sorry but this machine is 70 years old, made in 1928, or thereabouts, not 1428.

It's anothert one of those boring badge-engineered machines mass produced
for various markets by A G Mason

We could discuss for days just when the sewing machine was invented but
1790 would be the earliest date that came into our chat.

To Barbara re ISMACS site

Have just gone there without problems. http://www.ismacs.net

If you continue to hit trouble please e-mail tge webmaster  Jim Wilson


Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 19:03:59 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/3/97

Dear Fellow Feathers,
I wanted to post to the whole list and tell you all about my delightful
weekend! I finally met a fellow feather in the flesh!!!!
Glen Willams called me to say "Welcome" to the Tampa area, we chatted on
Thursday and then Saturday we went to his home & he was able to help me
with an elusive 301 part I have been hunting, What a Honey he is,
willing to share trade "secrets" and information. My husband, daughter
and I had a really nice vist. And he has the sweetest dog, "Hi, Toby" 
I really love this list and everyone I have dealt with is great. Being
able to put a face to a name on the list is really nice. Maybe someday I
will get settled in my new home enough to be able to get away and join
other FWF at one of the gatherings. A big "THANKS" to Sue you make this
all possible, making new friends, continuing my SM addiction...:)
Anyway, it was a fun weekend and I am sure I will dream tonite about a
222K sitting on the shelf in my sewing room after hearing all Glen's
great stories...
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:45:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Turquoise 201 (?)

I went with my mother this weekend to an "estate sale" and saw a
blue/turquoise Singer.  She thought it looked like a "dressmaker," which I
think was a 201.  It is that 50's blue/turquoise color and not very shiny -
almost looks repainted.  The case was the same color and was wood with the
cloth type covering.  The bobbin was a 66-class bobbin, with the slide plate
opening to the left.  It was marked "collectible $150."  It stayed behind.
A month or so ago I saw a Brother the same size and shape and color but
shiny for $50 but missing the (probably class 15) bobbin case.  I didn't get
that one either.

My mother was telling me that her 4-H leader when she was a girl
(in the 40's) traded in a Singer for a new model and the salesman told her
that he couldn't sell the old one, so he gave her the trade-in allowance and
let her keep the old machine.

I have found a source for interesting sewing machine stuff - my mother.  She
gave me the Mary Pickins book when I spotted it in her shelves.  She thinks
she may have the Singercraft Guide but hasn't looked yet.  She gave me a
buttonholer in mint condition.  She says it doesn't work on her 401 (she
tried it a couple times in 1967) so it may not work on mine, either.  The
manual shows it mostly on a Touch and Sew.  I don't have it handy and don't
remember the model number.

Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:45:40 -0400
Subject: singer canada 1-800#

i just got throught to singer canada and they gave me their #
1-800-363-1958  there was no one to talk to except voice mail. but they
are suppose to call back. if they dont i will email them t\i have did it
before and after a few day got a
reply.                                             evelene 
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 10:03:15 -0500
Subject: Singer 201

Ingrid said:

> I found a 201 but it has no bobbin or bobbin case and no 
> footcontrol or powercord.  Are those available?  I thought $250 was 
> high.  

The 201 doesn't have a removable bobbin case -- the bobbin drops into a
spot under the plate to the left of the needle, and you thread the
bobbin thread through a couple of notches on the left.  Bobbins are
easy:  go to just about any fabric store that carries sewing machine
notions, and get class 66 bobbins.  They come in both metal and plastic.

Depending on the cabinet, the 201 may not come with a foot control that
is easy to find -- some of the machines are wired directly into the
cabinets (especially the desk-type cabinets) and the foot control is a
little narrow lever that swings out from under the drawer section.  (My
husband's grandmother hates her foot control like this -- when I rewire
her machine, I'm adding a regular foot control and not wiring it back to
the internal foot control.)  There might also be a power cord coiled up
inside the cabinet -- it should be wired to the three-prong plug on the
right end of the machine.  

I agree:  $250 might be a little high.

Blanche said:

> It is a light green supermatic. I tried it out and it
> sounds 'kinda growly'.  I suspect that  the insides need to be cleaned
> and oiled.  Does anyone have any advice? 

It probably needs to have the motor pulley replaced.  (That's a little
rubber piece that is attached to the motor shaft and it turns the
balance wheel to make the machine go.  It gets flattened when it sits up
against the balance wheel for a long time.)  To keep it from getting
worse (or from happening in the first place) you should take it out of
gear (like you do when you're winding bobbins) when it sits for any
length of time.

Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:57:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FW Skipping stitches

             I would like to thank all those that responed to my posting
about a month ago. I had several offering tips on what to look for and two
that asked when I find a way to fix it to let them know. So here goes.

             First I changed the needle, everyone said that,and that seemed
to be the biggest problem, BUT, the stitch was still not great. Then I
tightened the top thread tension, no changed. I then found that in my zest to
get my baby well oiled, the bobbin thread had been well oiled also. A clean
up here and NO MORE PROBLEM.

             BTW I'm a square dance caller and got hooked up with John Flynn
of  Flynn Quilt Frame and We're planning a cruise to Alaska next summer. Over
the 4 th of July. John will be putting on three Quilt sessions and I will be
showing people how to have fun square dancing. If anyone is interested in
joining us Email me at SQUP8@aol.com.

             Thank again for everones help, Dick 
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:11:28 -0400
Subject: ruby buttonholer

can anyone tell what sm this is for.the box front it says.ruby
buttonholer rb type.it is made in japan. the buttonholer is gray with a
red knob.i have the manuel but it doesnt tell what machine it is for.   
tia evelene
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 14:23:57 -0500
Subject: Secure Straps for FW cases

Thanks for the good response to my idea.  I do have orders for the ones I
have buckles for at this time.  I am investigating ordering more buckles so
I can have a quantity made up at once.

I will post the details to the FW For Sale list as soon as I have my ducks
in a row.

Thanks again and I'll be back with details soon!

Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 18:13:16 -0700
Subject: Removing Rust

To add to removing rust from your bobbin box. My brother is a gun smith.
He uses 0000 steel wool and some turpintine. It works great.

Subject: Photos for Web pages
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:38:30 -0700


I'm looking for input from anyone who has actual experience with the
new digital cameras.   I'm considering getting one so I can get
pictures up to the site quickly when people ask.   I'd like to know
what kind of quality to expect, what are models that have worked
well, etc.   Hate to spend my money in the dark

Captain Dick
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:28:35 -0700
Subject: New Family/model 12 type bobbins, etc

........the story so far.....
Terri  suggested that the long bobbins for Singer treadles might work
on Rebecca's Vestazinha machine...........

	If the Vestazinha is a Model 12 clone, the standard long bobbin
(for the 27 etc..) probably won't fit.  The Model 12 bobbin is smaller in
diameter, and the ends are more pointed.  Every model 12 clone I've seen
takes the same model 12-type bobbin rather than the 27-type.   NOT easy to
find (at least they aren't easy to find in California).

To Janet regarding needles for her Standard:
	Is the problem that the shank of the needle is to big to fit into
the needle clamp?  If so, you might try serger/overlock needles.   They're
usually smaller/rounder at the top, and I've found that they will fit some
of the older machines that won't take standard modern needles (like my
Jones CS, and the newer of my Model 12's).

To everyone:
	I found a 201 this weekend-  the case is in rough shape, but the
machine is a strong condition 8.  Since most of my machines are older (I
tend to go for the pre-1900, non-electric machines, especially those with
the transverse shuttle), this was a bit of a departure for me. The cord for
the foot control was split, and bare wiring was hanging out, so I wasn't
able to try it out before I bought it, but a little pep talk from Capt.
Dick gave me the confidence to proceed.  Once the foot control wiring was
replaced, the motor purrs beautifully, and the mechanics are solid, but the
stitch wouldn't form.  When I looked at the bobbin assembly, I noticed that
the bobbin base was loose and was moving freely back and forth (just like
my  white featherweight when I got it).  I removed the throatplate, the
feed dogs and the retaining bar and slipped the bobbin base finger into the
notch, replaced everything, and now she works beautifully.  I've gotten two
machines now for very good prices that had the same problem, so  I'm
starting to  wonder if people take the bobbin assembly apart for cleaning,
re-assemble it incorrectly and then figure it's broken and dump the machine
cheap.  It took me all of about 5 minutes to figure out and fix the
problem, and I'm not really that familiar with the newer mechanisms.
 	While I was out this week I also saw one of the most beautiful
127's with the Sphinx decal pattern- a strong condition 8, maybe a 9.  I've
never seen one THAT well preserved, and the treadle base was in good
condition, too.  Really impressive.  Everything else I saw  was electric: a
rather forlorn looking red-eye 99, a New Willard, a Spartan and a couple of
other machines that didn't make much of an impression.  I really don't know
why that 201 reached out and grabbed me, but I kept going back to look at
it until I finally gave up and bought it.  My 18 year old son wants to
learn to sew and a good, strong  "macho" machine would be good for him to
learn on (at least that's what I told my husband).

Subject: Comments I can't resist
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:41:18 -0700


Re the sewing machine from 1428... maybe yes, maybe no... all I care
about is "Is it a Centennial?"!!!    We know they started making them
ahead of time...

Re the lady having trouble with the zig zag stitch on her 301... I
have never been able to get mine to work, either.    (that's naughty
of me... I'm we all realize she has a different model machine)

On a serious note, I think the lady with the Dec. 28, 1948 Centennial
may have a prize for the earliest one... anyone get a date from
Singer earlier?   Actually, as you all know, I put somewhat less than
zero stock in those "actual day" dates from Singer, but what the
heck, it's what we have to go with.   She said her serial number was
EE.  I have an EH Centennial... Clydebank was putting out a lot of

Captain Dick
Subject: Challenge Quilt
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:25:14 -0700


Yes, the great challenge has been met.  I took it out and photoed it
this afternoon.  Can't post the photos because it's requested we
don't, but what a relief.    I also found out I can do a much better
job of getting quilt pix than I have.   Our house is a little strange
(no comments, please!) in that the yard is in shadow all day.  I was
trying to figure out how to do my picture when I noticed my neighbor
has a deck over his garage and the garage door is in full afternoon
sun, so I draped it there.

Overall, I am pleased with the quilt.   My wife and I had a debate
about the border color, which I lost.   I wanted a much bolder
statement, but she convinced me it was not the best idea.  As always,
it's far from perfect and wouldn't enter it in a "white gloves"
judging at the Houston show, but by gosh, my little 1939 treadle and
I did it, every bit of it.

Wonder how many others are actually done?  I ahve to go review my
info sheet and see just what I'm supposed to do now.  I think I still
need photos of the treadle and then send a packet off to Linda...

Captain Dick
Subject: On Anotehr Note
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:29:49 -0700

Yikes!    I got the about to disconnect message, hit send to keep the
connection and discovered it sent the message I was adding to!  
Here's the whole addition:

On another note, I am discovering that the FW table is an amazing
addition to our household!   I thought I'd keep it in the basement,
but it keeps coming out.   I had to do a mailing the other night...
set up the table in front of the tv and watched a movie while I did
it.   Had to take pix of several machines yesterday... got the table
out and set it up in front of the house and took them.   Needed extra
seating at a buffet party the other night, guess what?   Yep, glad I
got it.

Captain Dick
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:05:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/3/97

To Captain Dick

Welcome to the club. There are many of us out here who are working to support
our habit. I see no reason why you should not join our club. Now if I could
just conince my very DH that a 301-A is not the same as a 301 and that I
really NEED TO KEEP THEM BOTH, I would be a happy camper.
Subject: Zippo Lighter
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:06:51 -0700


I got my Singer Centennial Zippo
lighter.   It's a fascinating piece, but I suspect it was something
that might have been put out without Singer's authorization.   It has
a completely different seal or logo from any other Centennial item
I've seen.   The seal consists of a the red Singer "S" in the center,
imprinted over a picture of a woman sewing.   Around this is a two
line circle of print, reading: "Over a Century of Sewing Service" 
and just one year "1851" at the the bottom.   Under the whole seal is
a pair of olive branches.  It's going to be very difficult to get
clear photos of this item due to it's size, and the shiny surface,
but I'll try.   Anyone have any input?

Captain Dick
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:12:37 -0400
Subject: Sincere Books

Hi All, Just posting to see if anyone has heard anything on the Sincere
Books. Picked up an "Free Westinghouse" very nice shape has peacocks on
it very pretty and very heavy probably the heaviest portable I ever
picked up I'm thinking of selling it. Thanks frish
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:00:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/4/97

Hi all

Does anyone have any idea what to do with a machine that is crazed and the
paint is beginning to chip.  We want to seal it off somehow and keep it from
getting worse.

Any help will be appreciated.  It's a small green General Electric.

Thanks....Love and Joy....Madge/Tom
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:32:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HELP in Removing Water Marks

Hi, everyone, I need advice within the next two weeks before I go to
Honolulu to see my mom.  I was there in August, and had her Singer 306K
cleaned, serviced, and rewired.  We had the original motor, light and foot
pedal put back on, as they were taken off many years ago and replaced with
cheapy plastic ones. Thank goodness my mom is a packrat, and kept the
original ones in a shoe box!  While the machine was in the shop, my
sons decided to use the open cabinet as a counter to paint some of their
models, and placed a glass container with water in it on the surface. Now
there is this big, ugly water stain right on the left of cabinet top.
What can I do to refinish it?  Do I use sandpaper, but if I do, do I have
to take off all the stain on top, or just the part that's stained?  Is
there a specific brand name manufacturer that makes a good wood stain?
Any help would be much appreciated! 

TIA.  Thelma
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:51:22 -0700
Subject: Willcox & Gibbs -- Durkopp

  To Graham  :  Glad to see information about Willcox&Gibbs .
Is the name Willcox& Gibbs spelled with two L's or one ?  My sister has
one and she told me it has to L's on her machine . She wanted me to Post
since she does not have a computer she loves sewing machines and picked
up a few this last weekend . She has a Willcox & Gibbs # 692360  and the
base has a # 29150 . Where is this machine from ? Also she picked up a
machine called Durkopp, very interesting story came with this machine .
The lady said she bought it brand new ,and that it was from Germany .
Has anybody ever heard of this machine ?   Evon 
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:47:24 -0700
Subject: manual copies

Thanks to all who emailed and called about the books and manuals which I
listed in the 10/4 FWF sale listing.  For those of you who did not read
carefully, the ad started: G50 - Manual/book copies., I can assure you
that I am not parting with original manuals!!! Prices are for copies,
postage included....Thanks!!! Millie
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:17:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Refinishing cabinet

Hi, all!  Has anyone ever replaced the entire top layer of veneer on a sewing
machine cabinet?  I have recently been given a machine that was my DH's
grandmother's.  The only number I found on the bottom was SIMANCO 32658.
 Would anyone happen to know what this machine is?  Anyway, back to the
cabinet.  The cabinet that the machine is in need of repair.  I'm always the
optimist, I can see the beauty of it beneath the wear and tear.  On the left
side of the cabinet, a compartment swings out that has a place for spools of
thread, an oil can (?), and a compartment for attachments.  I think it will
be so nice refinished, but I'm wondering, is it hard to replace veneer??
 This cabinet has SIMANCO stamped underneath it, with a serial number.  The
machine itself has a "20" stamped on the front of it.  Am I thinking too
positively that this cabinet can be brought back to it's former glory???
 Thanks for any info!!  

Subject: First FW
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 21:27:22 -0400


I've always used standard needles on my FW, no problem. Model 201
doesn't use a bobbin case (at least of the sort used by FW's); the
bobbin just drops in, so there should be a bobbin-shaped space for it.
(If the bobbin doesn't drop in, you may be looking at a 15-91 instead;
these do use bobbin cases). Either way, bobbins are inexpensive and easy
to get. The 201 uses a class 66 bobbin, which you can get at Jo Anne's
or similar fabric shops. I agree that $250 is high for a 201. I got mine
for $25 and other than a smoky motor (which my DH, who knows about such
things, says I shouldn't worry too much about - just ventilate the
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:36:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Singer oil cans

Hi all, saw two unusual Singer oil cans today.  Both copper or brass.  Small
pots, about 1 inch high, 2 inches in diameter.  Spout is another 2 inches
high.  One is plastic spout (but early plastic), the other was metal.  Anyone
have one of these and know approx. mfg. dates?  Thanks!  --Mari
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:19:24 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/3/97

Hi Feathers, Just had to throw my 2 cents in today.  I've been so busy 
w/ my new job I've had very little play time.  When I was in Bejing, 
China I went into the upscale dept. store and of course headed for the 
fabric dept.,where I thought I could purchase some great silks and silk 
ribbon....There were 6-7 women sewing on treadle sewing machines,  This 
was a real eye opener for me....The Chinese are wonderful people who 
work so very hard.....and have so few of what we consider essentials.  
I'll be heading to Kansas and Oklahoma the end of the month. I'll be 
traveling by train to Newton, Kansas and then rent a car and drive to 
Tulsa for my best friends wedding. Sylvia 
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:57:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Bobbin problem

Hi, Folks--
I recently experienced a problem with my featherweight that I am 
wondering if anyone can help me with (before I have to spend big bucks 
to fix it).  I was sewing quilting fabric, and the thread and material 
got jammed up and the needle would not move.  Now, this has happened 
before and all I had to do was remove the feed-dog plate and remove the 
bobbin and get rid of the excess thread.  This time, however, it seems 
to have moved some of the mechanism so that now when the bobbin turns, 
it catches on the underside of the feed-dog plate (there are two little 
pieces of metal which are screwed on to the bottom of the plate, and 
this is what the bobbin is catching on).  My DH took the bobbin and 
case apart, and could not find the problem (there was no thread there, 
either).  Has anyone ever had this problem and been able to solve it 
without taking it to the repair shop?  Thanks for any help you can give 
me.   Lisa
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:29:25 +0000
Subject: Old Sewing Machine

I have acquired a very old Singer sewing machine in a cabinet.  It is 
in good condition and have all the attachments and instruction books.  
I think it was made in the l940's.  It is electric but looks ancient.  
Where would I go to find out if it is worth anything?  I started to 
fill out your featherweight survey but wasn't sure what 
"featherweight" referred to.  Thanks for your help.  Carol
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:08:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WI/IL/IA FWF Gathering


   A last reminder in case anyone has missed the previous posts--I'm hosting
a FWF Gathering at my home in Janesville, WI on Saturday, October 11th from
11 a.m. to 4 p.m.  Anybody interested in coming please email me for more
details.  All FWF's in the area are invited along with their sewing machines
or other items from their collections.  

Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:46:55 -0700
Subject: Re: Photos for Web pages

Captdick wrote:
> Hi;
> I'm looking for input from anyone who has actual experience with the
> new digital cameras.   I'm considering getting one so I can get
> pictures up to the site quickly when people ask.   I'd like to know
> what kind of quality to expect, what are models that have worked
> well, etc.   Hate to spend my money in the dark

Hi Cap'n Dick:

We don't have a digital camera, but a friend bought a Cannon digital
camera recently and it does great quality work....real nice.

Subject: Been away
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:51:12 +0100

Have been away for awhile? Are there any rules (size, shape, etc.) for the
FWF quilt competition? Please let me know so I can get started.

Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 05:34:59
Subject: my two cents worth.

Dear FWS. 

Anywhoo the showroom looks fairly good, have a 15-88 anniv, model in 404
treadle stand complete, 1887 no 2 , new williams, 1903 27 in oak treadle
stand. Two fws, in good cond. a card table. more fws coming, and a
supposedly gorgeous treadle that all I know. I want too thank everyone that
has ordered the book, the singer cabinet, case, treadle,table,hardware
catoulouge. So far the order have been steadily coming in, and been keeping
me running to print shop to keep making more. The reviews all have been
positive from England to Seattle and the book has recieved nothing but
positive reviews, if interested e mail me privately for more details. thank
you fwfs thats all folks. mikeh.
Subject: Genie Hand Wheel
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:01:32 PDT

Hi all, I recived a message about a source for a missing hand whee for a 
Singe Genie, but E-mail server did one of it's great perfomances of the 
disappearing act with the message and  the phone #, would the great 
person out there who located my missing part E-mail me again. Thanks 
Subject: Info request:  Bell Electric Travel Machine
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 10:44:47 -0500

I am looking for information on the above machine.  It appears to be from the 
1950's.  The manufacturer's name is I.J. Moritt Co of NYC.  Only other name on 
it is Bell Electric with a bell logo that reminds me of the old Ma Bell.

The machine itself is about 6in high by 8in long.  Mint green.  Electric.  No 
flywheel.  Forward and reverse.  *Small* drop in bobbins.  Fits in a case approx
8x14x3.  Numerous accessories and attachments, most with the name of Geist on 
them.  No manual.  There are instructions for setting it up so I know it is 
missing the metal peice which was placed on top of one half of the case to 
create a sewing table.

It sews in a sticky, clicking fashion.  Length adj works, as does fwd/reverse.

Anyone ever hear of it?

Any suggestions on how to track down the company or a manual?

The seller (not the owner) says "oh she did all her sewing on it."  I tend to 
doubt that but it is so unique (at least to me) I bought it :-).


Subject: Houston Quilt Show
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:19:13 -0500

Just wondering who is going and when?  I am going on Friday, the 24th, with
a bus from Tyler.

Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:08:27 +0100
Subject: new to the list

My thanks to everyone, I have been on this list for just a week and have
already learned alot about my little machine.  
I wanted to "share" my FW story.
My Grandma was a seamstress, everything from bridal gowns to vinyl boat
seats.  All on a 1950 FW... I learned to sew through osmosis, and fell in
love with fabric. She taught me the basics of the FW machine and the basics
of sewing. 
Many years and not a few hobbies later I discovered quilting.  All my new
quilt buddies talked about how great the FW was for quilting. I couldn't
even remember if I stored it away or if the machine was at my sisters, it
had been over 27 years since Gram had passed away.  I did a massive garage
search and there it was..layers of dust on the cardboard box.  "She" had
lost her original box years before, so I pulled her out and with a few
drops of oil and a new needle she's been humming away. Well all was well
for about 5 years and one day when I was helping my DH clean out the garage
I stumbled across a little green and white box, the instant I saw it I knew
it was a FW. What else? I held my breath as I opened the box and sure
enough in side sat a darling, dainty white FW.  I seem to remember my MIL
having this and when she passed away we stacked everything in the garage to
go though when we were able.  Well that was the end of cleaning out the
garage (that was 4 years ago), maybe my DH finished I'll have to go look
one of these days.

I know this is long and thanks for staying with me. Not only did I have a
dear little machine that came to life with a few drops of oil and a little
cleaning but all the accessories where in great shape. Only the little gold
"badge" is missing, there is some residue on the oval where it 'should be,
but some day I will find a replacement.

That same year my DD wanted to make a baby quilt and learned on that little
white FW. Since then she has fallen in love with quilting and the FW and
now she is off and running.  She has finished 4 full sized quilts (AND Grad
school at U of M -Go Blue-). She loves the machine, it is not intimidating
to a beginner, and produces a perfect stitch every time. She cleans and
oils it after each project is finished and with any luck will have it to
pass on to her great granddaughter!
Well my old black FW is still a workhorse but has recently been given a
place of honor, she doesn't have to go though her paces on every quilt now,
but she goes with me to every class and sewing weekend.  And one of these
days will be ready to help my younger daughter quilt. (she's still lurking!)
These FW are part of my family, and I love that other people "adopt" them.

Thanks again, Lin
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:00:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Parlor Cabinet...Again!

Hi Feathers,

Found another parlor cabinet with another Red Eye...didn't the parlor cabinet
come with any other machine? This cabinet is mint & the sm is excellant
...I'd say c.9 easily. At this point,I have more Red Eyes than I know what to
do with....but the cabinets really get to me & they're all different. Also
found a beautiful 7 drawer treadle with,you guessed it ...a red eye. May have
to trade some of these.

This seams to be tsm week...have found eight of them,but just know I will
find "THE" machine of my dreams on my hunt tomorrow  with a fellow FWF. It
will probably be a RED EYE! Will let you know if I find anything.

Oh, does anyone know of a place to find parts & accessories for tsms?

Mn Annie 
Subject: Dating old machines
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:48:10 -0400

 For anyone wanting to date older American non-Singer machines, I have
access (through my local public library) to "Sincere's History of the Sewing
Machine". In it are charts of serial numbers and manufacturing dates for
Grover & Baker, Wheeler & Wilson, Willcox & Gibbs, and early White. In fact,
I have this book checked out right now, so let me know if I can help. (Maybe
post them on my website?) I would guess accuracy is pretty good, as Sincere
attributes Smithsonian as their source. Our library (Burlington County, NJ)
carries 13 different Sincere's books, covering things from sewing machines
(all three books), to swimming pools, to mini-bikes. What a treasure trove!

Another SM-literature note -- While nosing around one of the book
"superstores" recently, I discovered that Ruth Brandon's "A Capitalist
Romance, Singer and the Sewing Machine" is back in print!  I highly
recommend this one for brushing up on your sewing machine history.

Subject: New Pictures
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:18:40 -0700


I got pictures up of the 206K Centennial and the Centennial Zippo
lighter... on the Sewing Machines II page.   On the Sewing Machines
III page you will now find two nice Standard Sew Handy's.

Captain Dick
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:41:38 -0600
Subject: 222K Centennial ISN'T

My mistake.  Apologies to all of you, especially Capt.Dick who wrote "  but,
no, someone comes on the list and mentions a 222K Centennial.   Aw, come on!
Have a heart! "

My friend's 222 is NOT a centennial.  Her 221 is the centennial. I promise
to be more careful before I speak next time.

 And thanks for all the advice about her stitching problem.  The needle was
in backwards and it runs fine now, though not yet with the purr of her 221.  

Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:51:54 -0400

Graham - you wrote:
> You sure this is a Centenial 222 we are talking about? The 222 wasn't made
> until 1955 which is a little late for a centenial machine

The earliest 222K on the database has an allotment date of 11/18/53. It is
not a centennial. But a 222K with a centennial medallion was produced. I
have a xerox of an original Singer photo from their Editorial Department
dated 8-12-52 that shows one.

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 06:40:41 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/6/97

Katy, you posted:

The movers will be here in one week. Has anyone ever moved with their
 machines? Should I trust the movers to pack them? Our furniture is
going to France in a sea container. Should I bubble wrap my FW and 301s
inside of there cases? Take the 99 handcrank out of its bentwood case,
the head of the 201 out of the cabinet?

Although I have made international moves my most recent was a four hour
move from South Florida to Tampa Bay area. The company my husband works
for sent Allied to pack and move us. All my machines in cabinets arrived
in fine condition as did all featherweights in thier cases,(they did not
pack these in boxes) The only problem I ran into was a bentwood case...
One of my oldest machines which "HAD" a perfect bentwood cover, when it
arrived the handle was smashed down into the case. I was so upset as I
had just replaced the cover that was smashed with this one that was
perfect and refinished it. There were four men packing in different
rooms of the house and I did not see this one head for the truck
unprotected, I recomend you pack all machines tightly in packing
pellets, in boxes marked fragile! Or at least supervise the movers
packing them.
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:25:30
Subject: Thanks!

I just wanted to thank those folks out there who have taken the time to
create your wonderful web pages.  I had asked a question about the Singer
Centennial model sewing machines and Capt. Dick told me to check out his
web page on that very subject.   I am such a visual person that I need to
see  pictures to really know what things look like.  This is really helpful
to me to be able to reconize certain SM when I am out and about.

Also having this digest is very helpful too!!!

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:08:07 +0400
Subject: Challenge Quilts

Dear Fellow Feathers:  Now that the deadline for sending photos of our
finished challenge quilts approaches, Quilt America! would like to
invite the challenge group (of quilts!) to hang at its 9th annual show,
May 28-31, 1998, in Indianapolis.  If there are 9 or more full size, or
at least 15 in all sizes, Quilt America would welcome the challenge for

In the past Quilt America has exhibited vintage machines, vintage
dresses, and antique garment drafting tools, and once did an exhibit
called the BS Exhibit (Before Singer - all hand sewed antique quilts). 
We are interested in exhibiting different kinds of challenges, as well,
and have shown round robins, challenges based on theme fabrics or theme
colors or themes period, challenges based on size - you get the idea. 
But we have never shown a challenge relating the age of the machine used
to the appearance of the finished quilt.  

The honor of FWF is at stake here!  If you are still trying to decide
whether to take up - or finish - the challenge, why not do it now?  
When the results are in, more information on participation at Quilt
America will be forthcoming.

Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:46:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: odds and ends

Hi all.  Just wanted to say that I thoroughly agree with Moonsage about
buying from elderly people.  I do bargain with dealers in flea markets. 
They expect it.  I look at it and say "Well, it's pretty dirty." As if I
hate to touch it.  Then I turn the wheel and if it is stuck or stubborn,
all you have to do is look at him as if why are you selling a machine that
doesn't work.  The price the dealer put on it originally includes room to
deal and he will usually come down $10 or $15.

This is for Thelma.  I have many maple tables in my house.  These are old
ones where the finish is wood and can be damaged when people put down a
wet glass without a coaster.  When I see a white ring, I head for the
mayonaise jar.  Actually it is usually Miracle Whip.  Just put it on
liberally and come back later and wipe it off.  Works every time.  Now
this has come down to me through my family and I don't believe there is a
secret ingredient.  It is probably the oil in it.  If that doesn't work, I
saw a Howard's product that is a cleaner plue color.  I haven't tried it,
but it might put the original color back on that cabinet.

Put me down as one who has trained her children.  Two weeks ago my son
came from Dayton with an old Singer he picked up at a garage sale for $15.
 He didn't have the faintest idea what he had but knew Mom and Dad could
use it for parts if nothing else.  It's a 66 with a very pretty decal that
I have never seen.  Yes, it is a parts machine.  The finish is going - the
gold decal losing it's gold and turning silver.  But the DH is going to
try to clean it up and get it running.  This is the same man who bought a
$2.98 Spartan for the case.  The machine had been under water and was
rusted soled but he took it as a challenge and got it running.

Then the favorite SIL reported this week that there is a machine down at
the indoor flea market that he knows is a Singer, but his description fits
nothing we know about.  The DH will be heading there Friday to see if it
is something we want.

I saw Captain Dick's web site for the first time this week and loved it. 
I am coveting his spool cabinet.  I've been searching for one.  Found one
at an antique store Sunday but the condition is rough.  Someone had
painted over the words on the drawers with brown paint.  If anyone in Ohio
or western PA knows of one, please get in touch with me.

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:04:06
Subject: Re:  Books from the library

Hi all:

Someone mentioned going to their library and not finding any books there.
I don't know how your library system works in the States, but in Canada
they have a wonderful interlibrary loan system.  You go to the information
desk and they can check other libraries for books.  I'm in SW Ont. and once
got a quilt book from Nova Scotia!  You have to make sure it's back on
time...the overdue fines are high.  But, it was fun.

I had just taken out a book on sewing machine repair from our local library
here when there was the whole discussion about the Sincere books that were
ordered.  The name sounded somewhat familiar and I went upstair and checked
the book and it was the Sincere Book!  I don't think it ever gets taken out
in our library!

Saw some nice machines when my DH and I went out last week.  I have to get
the notes out and I'll post about them next time.  I don't have my notes
handy down here at the computer.  We did visit Mike H's shop and had a
wonderful time there!  His graveyard is really interesting.  My DH is a
"real" gravedigger, so we had some interesting conversations!  Mike is very
knowlegeable and has some nice stuff in the shop.  Also found Capt. Dick's
guide there which we have enjoyed immensely!

Happy hunting and fixing everyone.

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:19:49 -0400
Subject: singer canada

i called singer canada to get the model# of my sms. all i got was voice
mail so i sent them email. they were on the phone the next morning at
8am.they cant tell me any model# they can only tell us the yr. they were
made and 2 of my fws they couldnt even tell me that. could some one
please call the american # for me as i am really interested in finding
out what model my new threadle #d814054 is. as i would like to see if it
came with any accesories so i can have it the way it originally was.i
have a feeling it is a model 127.it runs so smooth. i got it on a silent
auction for a $100. which i think was a really goodprice for the
condition  a good8.plus it came with tons of vintage sewing things that
had never been opened plus atube of singer lube and a needle threader
seam ripper combined oh yes it was an estate sale.i had to wait over a
month to see if my bid was going to hold up but i have a thing that i
will not pay over $100 for any sm so i have to take my chances of being
out bid.
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:30:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: PIQF

Hi:  Anyone out there planning on attending the Pacific International Quilt
Festival in Santa Clara, CA on Oct 23-26?? We would like to meet other
Fanatics and TSM collectors on west coast. Let's talk. Kennalee
Subject: Digital camera
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:50:43 -0600

  I am also interested in the information about brands/features of digital
cameras.  If anyone has input on this please post to the list.  Patty
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:56:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/5/97

After reading all these newsletters, I went to a garage sale and asked if
they had a sewing machine.  She said actually, yes.  It was $15 and I bought
it.  I don't know why but I couldn't take my eyes off it.  It is a Precision
Sewing Machine, Modern Home, Model CB DeLuxe, Made in Japan.  It is a lovely
shade of green, side bobbin (regular) reverse, drop feed, in a silver case .
 Case is peeling and looks bad but the machine is beautiful.  Ser. No.
JA17-92496.  I need a book.  What do I have?  It weighs a ton.   Beautiful
season here in Michigan.    Pat
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Spartan


I just saw the Spartan on Taria's Sewing Machine and Quilting Page.  I have
it bookmarked, so I'm not sure to tell you to get to it--I can't figure out
how I found it in the first place!  Her e-mail address is listed as:
 wils131@ibm.net.  She has a picture of it and some info about it.

Good luck!

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:28:32 -0500
Subject: Mystery buttonholer

> can anyone tell what sm this is for.the box front it says.ruby
> buttonholer rb type.it is made in japan. the buttonholer is gray with a
> red knob.i have the manuel but it doesnt tell what machine it is for.   
The way to tell is to look at where it would attach to the presser bar. 
I'd venture to guess, since most Japanese machines use short-shank
attachments, that it is for a short shank machine, which means that it
will work with your basic Singer, like the 15's, 66's, 201's, FW's, and
any other machine that uses that kind of attachment.

Katrina said:

>         If the Vestazinha is a Model 12 clone, the standard long bobbin
> (for the 27 etc..) probably won't fit.  The Model 12 bobbin is smaller in
> diameter, and the ends are more pointed.  Every model 12 clone I've seen
> takes the same model 12-type bobbin rather than the 27-type.   NOT easy to
> find (at least they aren't easy to find in California).

Katrina is correct -- I pulled out the bobbin case on another Dietrich
machine (don't have a Vesta any more) and the 27-type bobbin won't fit. 
(The 27-type bobbin cap is about 3/8" in diam., and the one that fits
the Dietrich machine is closer to 1/4".)  In addition to the more
pointed, slightly longer ends, there is also a hole in one cap (so it
fits securely into the bobbin winder.)  Sorry for the bad advice...

By the way, the Dietrich machines from this time period (including the
Vesta) use almost exactly the same boat shuttle and needles as the
Frister & Rossmann and the Pfaff type B.  (I've successfully switched
the shuttles from a F&R and a Vesta.)  Unlike the model 12, the needles
are class 339 needles, which aren't always easy to find, either...

Thelma said:

> ...  While the machine was in the shop, my
> sons decided to use the open cabinet as a counter to paint some of their
> models, and placed a glass container with water in it on the surface. Now
> there is this big, ugly water stain right on the left of cabinet top.
> What can I do to refinish it? 

You don't have to refinish the whole cabinet for one water mark. 
(Assuming it's water -- when my DH was building models on my beautiful
Art Deco dining room table, he got model paint thinner all over it, and
it REALLY had to be refinished... he did survive the incident, due to
his other, finer qualities...)  Take some very fine steel wool, mix 1
part linseed oil and 2 parts mineral spirits in an old jar (preferably
glass) and rub the water mark with it.  (This mixture is also good for
cleaning off old wax and dirt.)  AFterwards, you could give it a little
more protection by rubbing some tung oil into it...

Date: 8 Oct 1997 13:26:58 EDT
Subject: Needles for old sm's

Hi!  This is Marge again with another question about old sewing
machines,  I have been working on old treadles, in cabinets and just the
heads.  My question is: where do you get the old needles that some of
these require?  Are there needles today that will work on the old White
machines?  We have a rotary from the 20's, and a vibrating shuttle from
the 1890's.  The manual on the rotary calls for F.R. needles only.  I
dug through some old Boye needle cases that we had on hand, and after a
lot of experimentation found a needle that would work for each of these,
but don't even know the #'s of these,   If you know of a source for
these old needles, or a list of what needles each old treadle might
take, would appreciate some input.  TIA    Marge
P.S.  Last weekend found a cute elna Lotus SP machine.....Told DIck I
was almost let down because all it needed to get it in perfect order was
to take a tiny piece of thread out that was stuck in the bobbin area.
It sews like a top now!    : - )
Subject: Adamstown, PA
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 02:07:38 -0400

DH and I are thinking of making a trip to Adamstown, PA, which has been
recommended by people on the FW and ISMACS lists. I know they have a big
flea market on Sundays, but also that the flea market starts at 7:30am
which is the middle of the night Lois-time.

Anyone who's been there:
     How late in the day can we arrive and still find sewing machines worth
having (I am currently looking for a New Family or something of that
general type)?
     Are there other shops in town that aren't part of the
flea market and that stay open later? (Shop names and/or phone #s would
be appreciated).
     We're thinking of going out on a Saturday and making an overnight of it.
Recommendations on where to stay (better than Motel 6 class but less expensive
than Hilton-class)?

Thanks everyone!
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:32:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: PIQF

Hi:  Anyone out there planning on attending the Pacific International Quilt
Festival in Santa Clara, CA on Oct 23-26?? We would like to meet other
Fanatics and TSM collectors on west coast. Let's talk. Kennalee
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:18:05 -0700
Subject: Griest Buttonholers

Hi FWFs. I have Griest Buttonholers with Red nameplates, Green
nameplates, And a Blue one. Does anyone know what machines each color
nameplate fits?        
	I think that the lady who has the SM that she says was made in yr 1428
has been sampling the fermented carrot juice that was recommended to
Graham.     Jack 
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:36:00 -0700
Subject: Recent Finds

Hi Feathers,

I making the most of these beautiful fall days by staying out
of doors - hanging out at flea markets, auctions, and estate
sales :)

Made a find last week that will keep my husband happy all winter
long.  I bought him a 1933 GE Cathedral style radio.  He tunes in
his programs now and lets me alone with my sm's.

Last night I received a phone call from someone offering me an
"old Singer" at a good price.  Came home with a Series G "Redeye"
early 1920's beauty. The decals on this are 100% intact. It is at 
least a condition 9 head with the only mark a little residue from
some "tape"  I will definitely use caution as I oil and lubricate this.
It comes with the "bracket motor" designed for either electric or foot
power.  Has a rheostat and foot control shaped like a small foot. 
My DH made a comparsion to the size of my feet (nasty, nasty man).
A picture of this motor in my "Sewing Machines" book indicates a
"reverse Lever" on the motor.  Will have to investigate this further.

Oh yes, it came with the original manual in a lighter, honey oak colored
bentwood case.  The couple also had a featherweight which she is holding
onto but promised to call when she wants to get rid of it.

I am now in the delightful stage of people thinking me crazy and passing
my name onto others to call me when they have sm's to get rid of!! 

Capt. Dick - My son just bought a "Connectix" scanner and attached it
to my computer for me to start scanning pictures in. Easy to do and
at a pretty good price. Now I better get my web page together!

Off to work - must make money to buy more sm's!!

Subject: 201 bobbin assembly
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:22:34 EDT

 Katrina  wrote:
"I'm starting to wonder if people take the bobbin assembly apart for
cleaning, re-assemble it incorrectly and then figure it's broken and dump
the machine cheap. "

Wouldn't surprise me one bit!  I took mine apart to clean it.   When it
came time to put it back together, hubby and I spend 30 minutes trying to
figure out what was wrong.  At first we couldn't figure out which way the
retaining bar went, but knew from the shape that the vertical bar
probably went face down..  I knew the bobbin base finger had to fit into
the notch.  Finally we got it right--the screws on the retaining bar were
too tight.

Subject: recent finds
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 02:15:52 -0400

DH found me a nice AL 15-91 the other day at the thrift shop, and told
me about an odd machine at another shop. The odd machine was called a
Minerva, and its manual said it was made in Czechoslovakia. I looked it
over carefully and decided to leave it at the shop. It was a heavy &
bulky zz machine, and had an unusual method of replacing the bobbin: you had
to lift the machine out of its case (back on its hinges). I guess you could
think of it as a form of exercise, but my arms aren't strong enough to
do that every time I need to change a bobbin! Some of the screws had
sharp edges that scratched me even as I was checking it out. Imagine
actually using it! It looked like it was made in the 40's or 50's.

Anyone else ever come across this beast?

Subject: Singer treadle zig-zag conmtinued
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 17:38:00 +1200

Hi again everyone

The troublesome bobbin mechanism for the above machine has the following 
part number: Simanco 40274 with possibly another digit after last 4. Does 
anyone recognise this part from another machine? I'd love to know how it 
Subject: small boxes of needles
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 02:03:45 -0400

I have one red matchbox needle-box, that came with my 31-15, and two
green boxes that came with my 201 (but the needles don't fit it; they're
for yet another industrial machine). Each of these originally held 100

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/3/97
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:33:37 +0100

I'm not at all happy with this talk of 222K Centenial Singers.

The 222 was introduced in 1955 and took over the assembly line previously
used for the black 221. The white/green 221 was introduced at the same time.

I would be very suspicious of any 222 with a centenial badge. Let's face
it, these badges can be easily removed and swaped about from machine to

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:13:36 -0500
Subject: Re: 99K

Hi all, I have a 99K I have spent little time with but seems to sew
okay.  Here's my question.  When I open the slide plate, there is a
"spring" (?) (at 6:00 on the clock) that seems to have a "plug" of red
stuffing?  Is this just full of lint and crud or is it supposed to be
there?  I started to pick it out with a pin/needle but it was stuffed so
tight that I began to wonder if it was there as some cushion or
something?  Any help would be appreciated.
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:32:48 -0700
Subject: FW case odor

I have been following the trail of  FW case odor and offer these hints from
my experience. I too am highly allergic to molds and have a violent
sneezing and shortness of breath when opening the FW case, so I am pretty
convinced that white powdery stuff is mold. My guess is that in the history
of these FW cases that most were stored on the floor of a dark closet until
needed. Not likely that the original owners kept the case in a dry, airy
place for too long if the machines were originally purchased for mending.
(we make much better use of them nowdays!)

POSSIBLE SOLUTION: I wiped the inside and outside of my FW case with Lysol
and put it in the sun to dry. This was not too effective since in near the
beach in SO CA near it is never really "dry". Baking soda had only minimal
effect and did not get rid of the odor.

BETTER SOLUTION: So I came up with the following for mild mold cases based
on a theory about glue.
1.Keep the FW case in a dry upstairs room, up off the floor, with lots of
air circulation. Never in a dark closet or on the floor.
2. Place GEL SILICATE packages in the case when it is closed. I got several
in boxes along with new shoes. These little packages absorb the moisture
inside the case. So far, the odor is greatly reduced and no new white mold
has grown on either the inside or outside of the case in 2 years. The odor
is very slight and I can live in the same room with the case.
3. Perhaps those of you who have had success with other remedies live in
dryer climates for at least part of a year. Near the beach we experience
dampness and fog daily so there is no way to get the case completely dry,
but providing the gel silicate bags seems to do a pretty good job in
creating a better environment for the inside of the case. It might be
better for the machine too as it would cut down on moisture trapped inside
and prevent rust to machine parts.

This is just a guess, but I think the GLUE used in the case construction is
the reason why FW is the culprit. My case has a vinyl cloth on the inside
and that would certainly trap moisture between the box and the cloth.
Hide, rabbit skin,animal hoofs and blood are often used in woodworking and
to "paper" or size canvas. I remembered that in art class we learned to
prepare rabbit skin glue/sizing for our oil paint canvases. Each can of dry
crystals came with a gel silicate package inside and we were instructed to
keep the glue crystals in a dry place. Our instructor told us that rabbit
skin glue (and I would guess this is true for hide or hoof glues too) tends
to mold easily. This type of glue is effective in sealing the linen canvas
from the paint oils and in drawing up the canvas tight to the frame.
It occured to me that perhaps these older FW cases might be made from
pressed cardboard, wood or pressed sawdust and they may have used this
cheap and effective glue. All the hide glues are still used in industry and
for woodworking, although there are better glues available today.
The glue crystals, prepared with hot water, will deteriorate quickly and
mold when cooled--they must not have been stabilized with an agent to
prevent molds. It is highly likely that these cases were made with animal
glues, but even if wheat paste glues were used, the result would also be
mold formation.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. Hope it helps. --Lynn
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:53:44
Subject: Re:  Singer 247

Hi everyone:

Stopped in at a thrift shop this afternoon and saw a Singer 247 in a
cabinet.  The cabinet was very plain and the machine looked like it was
made of cheap plastic!  You could bend the plastic squeezing it!  It looked
so cheap that I wasn't even tempted to think about buying it. The sliding
plate was missing, there were no attachments with it.  They wanted $79.99
for it!  Anyone know what a 247 is?  This model wasn't made between 201 and
301 was it?  The 301 I have is all metal.  Any clues?

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:03:58 -0500
Subject: Wanted

TAN FW Wanted.  Please be my FWFairy :-D
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:04:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Merrow Machine

A Merrow crochet sewing machine is being auctioned at an estate sale on Oct.
18  in Stowe, PA.  Stowe is near Reading in SE PA.  If you are interested in
going e-mail me and I will give you directions.  Unfortunately I am busy that
day and can"t go.  I would like to see one but will have to wait until the
next one turns up.  Did I mention that a Wilcox and Gibbs electric in its
table went for $20.00 at a recent auction?

Subject: Re: mystery machine
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:14:00 +1200

Hello Everyone

This is cross posted to the ISMACS list. Apologies to those who read both 
Yesterday I brought home a very unusual machine. My parents bought it in 
the 1970s.  Shall attempt to describe:

Black cast iron SINGER treadle which does straight stitch and zig-zag! 
The SN is EE936232. I have submitted this to the ISMACS site for identification,                                                                                                                                                                               
but wonder if anyone on this list can recognise this machine by description.  
14 1/2" bed, high bobbin winder (driven by balance wheel), tension (not 
numbered) on left front. Body looks like that of 66K. Spoked balance wheel 
with chrome edge. Bobbin mounts vertically under stitch plate. Scrolled face 
plate.  Threading appears to be same as 66K. Two drawer cabinet on brown 
painted cast iron stand. Has flip out drawer in middle and extention bed. 
Machine folds down into cabinet when not in use. Extension bed then folds 
over to create a table. (This is a very standard 1940's Singer treadle 

Here the similarities with domestic Singer treadles of my acquaintance end :)                                                                                                                                                                                  

The only decoration is the word SINGER in unadorned block capitals on the
front and back of the arm. Also has "Singer Manufacturing Co" on top of 
arm, and standard gold seal on pillar. The zig-zag function is operated by
a lever mounted on the head to the left of the bobbin winder. When this 
lever is parallel with the head the needle sews straight stitch. When the 
lever is moved 45 degrees to the right the needle moves to and fro to form
a zig-zag stich. There is another lever whose function is at present 
unknown to me. These levers are connected to the needle bar by a long rod which
runs parallel to the arm. Below the Singer seal is a chrome lever in a vertical
slot marked 0-4 which I presume either lowers the feed dogs or adjusts the
stitch length (I haven't got it to do anything yet :( ) To the left of 
this (at the bottom of the pillar) is a large chrome knob which I presume 
carries out the other function mentiioned above. The machine does not sew 
at present. The needle at the moment threads front to back so I diassembled 
it to see if it should go in another way but no obvious solution jumped out 
at me. The needle is held in place by a little slotted screw.
The pressor foot is wide to accommodate the zig-zag movement. The 
stitch plate has a corressponding slot for the needle. The stitch plate 
doesn't slide unless the feed dogs are lowered. To attempt to thread 
the bobbin I disengaged the treadle belt and lifted the head. The bobbin 
appears to be some kind of oscillating rotary hook arrangement. It 
differes from the 201K and 99K. There was no bobbin case. A Featherweight 
bobbin fits (without the case - the case is too big.) A 201 bobbin (I 
think) was big enough but fell out when I tried to use the machine. There 
is nothing to hold the bobbin in place. When I attempt to sew the top 
thread gets all knotted up around the bobbin mechanism, and the cloth won't
feed through.  

There is also a mounting point for a crank and appears to be a mounting point 
for a motor. It has 13 labled oiling points!  I suspect that it is a light 
industrial of some sort. Having said that, it weighs a ton. It's definitely
not alloy!  I am determined to get it to sew as I know it used to! When my
parents first got it it did both straight stitch and zig-zag then the straight 
stitch function some how failed and it only did zig-zag then, as my mother 
said when she abandoned it "It neither zigs nor zags" :)      

Apologies for length of post. Does anyone recognise this beast? SN 
places it late 40s.
Happy collecting
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 05:31:07 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/7/97

Captdick wrote:

"I'm looking for input from anyone who has actual experience with the
new digital cameras.   I'm considering getting one so I can get
pictures up to the site quickly when people ask.   I'd like to know
what kind of quality to expect, what are models that have worked
well, etc.   Hate to spend my money in the dark"

Hello Captain,
My husband and I usually research a product fairly well before we make a
purchase...We tried the Zippy, which you attach to your computer and
plug in your camcorder and you can then capture a photo as a digital
immage. Well it turned out our Sony camcorder had been sitting a L*O*N*G
time and had a bad case of capasitoritis, the thing was going to cost
more than to repair than a new digital camera. So we went looking a
cameras, you can spend a bundle and get really great resolution and like
most computer items "state of the art" is changing every day It is very
comfusing...We settled for the Kodak DC25. It was in a $$ range we could
easily handle and does a fair job, has a screen on the back so you can
pre-view the images and is upgradable by inserting cards into the
camera. We wanted it to take photos of machines and have been generally
pleased with our purchase. It has two settings standard and high so you
can take photos at either (high has better resolution) It holds less
photos at the high setting but for what you want it for you can always
download the photos on to computer and then go take more. With digital
cameras you somtimes get an image that looks more like a quilters
watercolor image (mosaic like) and to be honest I haven't quite figured
that out...Somtimes it comes out fine and somtimes looks mosaic. I think
it may be the software I am using. The camera came with the Kodak
software and I sometimes use Compupic 32 to adjust the photos. It also
came with a mail in offer for a free case and the Picture postcard
software which allows you to e-mail the photo's in a postcard type
format (cute)
I hope this helps you. I was hoping to meet you when you came to N.Miami
to visit your Mom but we have been relocated to the Tampa Bay area, so
maybe someday if you come in this direction...
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:21:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: For Your Information!!

Mike H  had some serious computer problems & wanted
me to tell everyone he had a hard drive crash & will be purchasing a new
computer. He can't receive or send any e-mail until he gets back up on-line
either next Monday or Tuesday. If you will wait until then for any E-Mail
correspondence, or if you really need to talk to him on the telephone,  He wishes to apologize for any inconvenience this will or
has caused anyone.
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:35:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Polishing featherweight

Could someone please tell me the best way to polish a featherweight?  What to
use and not use.  Thanks so.
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:34:06 -0400
Subject: Sighting

Dear Fellow Feathers,
	I saw a very interesting machine at a local (Columbia, SC) antique mall
a few weeks ago.  It's a Pfaff in a cabinet, I would guess an early
fifties style.  I didn't get a serial number, but the machine is just
beautiful and obviously much loved and used, although the machine is a
definite 8+.  This machine has all kinds of built in stitches that are
set by a series of dials, similar to the Rocketeers, although I don't
think any cams were needed. Maybe I'm way off on the date.  The machine
was really neat but the cabinet was the kicker.  The leaves folded to
the center to close the machine and the chair is made so that its back
forms the front of the cabinet.  The chair just fits right into the
cabinet and you can't even tell it's a SM in there!  The cabinet was
probably a condition 7, kind of scratched up, and the chairs upholstery
needs replacing.  The drawers were stuffed with attachments, books, and
accessories. The machine was priced at $495.  DH says we have no more
room for cabinets!  I guess he's right, but since when has that stopped
us?  Oh, well, if someone else is interested, just e-mail me for the
location if you need it. 
	Also spotted a Sewette TSM in good condition with a few small parts
missing.  Nearly bought it, but held off.  
	I have to tell this story:  my Chemistry instructor had us introduce
ourselves and tell what our hobbies/interests are.  Well, I'm not the
oldest person in class, but I am the second oldest (at 35).  The rest of
the people are around 18-20 years old. When I said that I like to quilt
and I collect old SMs, one guy said "How old *are* you?"  I had to
explain that there are others in the world just as twisted as I am. 
They had a hard time believing that there are other people who collect
SMs.  I took my repro model 20 to class the next day and we (at least I
did) had a good time talking about SMs and it got some of the other
students to talk more freely about their baseball card collections or
stamp collections, etc.
	Also, DD had an assignment for school where she was supposed to bring a
group of small items and each item was to represent a person in the
family.  She took the repro model 20 to show as representing me!  Caused
quite a stir, the teacher said. 
	One more thing:  my mom, Lou Anne , won a second place ribbon with
her fan quilt at the SC State fair.  She is also a FW owner ( I think
she has 5) and SM collector. 

Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 05:15:42 -0700
Subject: Comments

I love Bob 's Website. I really learned alot about what I'm
looking for in sewing machines in garage sales. Very educational.
Thank you, Bob.

Also, a comment on the person who says that we should tell people what
the true value of the machine is, when we make a "find" in a garage
I have been thinking about that suggestion alot. Now, my question and
comment. Wouldn't that defy what the "free enterprise system" is all
about? Business people with knowledge of a product and market take it to
market and sell it for a profit. Should the merchant reveal what he paid
for the product before anyone can buy it? Of course not! The business
person has a knowledge that he/she developed out of interest and the
time spent to learn the value of an item. He/she knows (sometimes not)
what it will sell for on the open market. He/she earns that profit
through his/her special knowledge from hours and years of learning about
the product, the market, and effort put into learning and obtaining the
product. The person running the garage sale has the opportunity to find
out the value of what items they are selling and choose not to do that.
Besides, one cannot expect to obtain the same price in a one or two day
garage sale that he/she would get if they had a store that might take a
year to obtain a given market price for the product.
Garage sales are a liquidating of goods immediately. To do this, one
must sell for 10 cents to 30 cents on the dollar. One is not morally
required to tell people that they should get 100 cents on the dollar,
when that person has chosen to liquidate to the highest bidder or taker
of the price offered, and to do this quickly. That is not the way the
"free enterprise system" works. It wouldn't work at all if those
suggested rules were applied. That method would work in a communist
system, as the government controls the price and owns the business, too.
There is no profit. Consequently, there is no incentive to work to make
a profit or reward. Communism failed because there is no incentive to
earn a profit or reward for one's knowledge and effort. Even in China,
today, the "free enterprise system" is taking place. There are no more
shortages of products that they once experienced, because the government
has told the workers that after they produce their assigned quota, they
can sell whatever else they produce on the open market for a profit.
Shortages disappeared immediately. I will continue looking for the good
buys and special value finds in the garage sales and buy them at the
lowest price I can find them and absent a guilty conscience. Otherwise,
where is the fun of going "garage sale-ing" or panning for gold?

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:52:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sew E-Z

Hi everyone, someone has contacted  me to see if I am interested in
purchasing a machine I am not familiar with -- it's a miniature, says Sew E-Z
on the side and is made is US Zone, Germany.  Comes in a small box.  I
haven't seen it but am wondering what I should do.  Any help would be
appreciated.  They did not give me a serial #, nor asking price.  How much
would you pay?  Thanks to all.
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:18:16 -0400
Subject: Bobbin case holder assembly

My name is Robin Brown .  I inherited a black
featherweight from my mother in law 5 years ago, see passed on a year
later.  I have been sewing on this machine eversince.  My problem is the
bobbin case holder assembly is broken, I put the machine in the shop for
service and come to find out, singer does not make this part any more, nore
does the machine have any serial numbers on it.  My husband is 42 years old
and he says that his mom had been sewing on this machine for as long as he
can remember.  Can any one help me?  I would realy hate to be rid of this
machine for I know no other way, and the machine is in real good condition.
Please any suggestions would greatly be appreciated.
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:30:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Bobbin source for FW?

Hi all --

I've enjoyed lurking on this list for the past several weeks.  Your
discussions have really helped in learning about FWs!  I recently acquired
my first one-- its serial # is a low AH.  It has the Egyptian scrollwork
plate, a few shallow pin scratches, a little wear on the gold under the arm
and in front of the light switch.  It came with a battered but functioning
case, two attachments, and two bobbins.  It sews like a dream.  Does anyone
know of a ready source for more bobbins?  I'm thinking mail order if possible. 


Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/7/97
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:16:55 -0400

 Be carefull with Quick cam it requires a lot of systems RAM and IC speed.
Call Tiger Direct at 1-800-888-4437, maby a photo scanner with LView pro
would be best.
hope this helps.
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:53:39 EDT
Subject: FW picture

FW picture spotted in the Terry's Village catalog on page 67 is a picture of a
FW, it looks like it might be a centennial it has a blue band around the
medallion.  I hope it's not one of those elusive San Francisco expo etc. ones.
We would have to hunt down the owner.

The number for the catalog is 800 200 4400  no affiliation with  this company

Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:43:12 -0400
Subject: sightings

Hi everyone, I went out to one of my favorite flea market this morning.
I spotted a FW early one before the numbered tensions for 225.00 it was
very dirty and bobbin case had rust. I saw (2) 99's later ones in the
2-tone marron/ivory boxes with the lucite handles that say singer in
them well one was 199.00 the other one was 165.00 I didn't know what
else to do but laugh when he told me the price I said their not FW's!!!
Well I did get lucky and found a 128 handcrank very nice all decals are
there and shinny along with the instr. book and attachments for 40.00.
I'm still looking for the black 301 longbed I guess I'll find one
eventually. Not a bad day... oh and I got an oil can for 1.00 Thats it
for now.  Happy hunting!!! frish 
Subject: info on 201?
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:30:13 -0500

Hi fellow FWFs;

I need a little info on a 201 I found in an antique store yesterday. I'm 
trying to decide if I should go ahead and buy it. It had an 85 dollar 
price, and no dickering. I don't think the price was outlandish, and I'm 
NOT asking "what's it worth?" I would be very happy to pay this price for 
 this machine. There were a few problems with it though, and I'm wondering 
if I'm going to end up spending a lot to get them fixed. I'd love to have 
it as a working machine, instead of just a piece for show.

The machine is in a beautiful bentwood case. It's got the older, 
non-numbered tension; and the light is the chromey one on the back of the 
arm. It also has the chrome handwheel. I couldn't find the serial 
number-where did they hide it on the 201s? It seemed to have a cord that 
plugged into the case, though; and the cord was in pieces. The footpedal 
was also missing. There was a hole on the front of the wooden base that had 
a little round pin--is this the "plug" for the kneebar? (The kneebar was 
also missing)

My questions are:
What model is this 201 and approximately what year? I know I don't have the 
serial number, but a rough guess would be great!
Can I drop the feed dogs on this machine?
Can I get a replacement cord for this machine?
Can I get a replacement footpedal?
Is the little hole for the kneebar and is there a replacement available?
Are these parts going to come to a lot more money than the machine itself?

I think I'm going to end up buying the machine--I'd just like to know what 
kind of trouble I'm in for  :)

Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:15:55 -0400
Subject: Machine underground railroad....

Hi all:
In response to the wonderful idea for transporting machines, I'm in
complete agreement!!!!
Why don't we agree that whenever one of us has travel plans to go from
one state, area or country and have room and willingness to transport a
machine, why don't we post BRIEFLY where and when we're going?  For
example, I could say:
Plan on travel the weekend of Oct. 18 (depart 10/17 and return 10/19)
from one hour North of NYC to central NH.  Have room for one portables. 
E-mail at .......
Then, if there's anyone who happens to have a machine that needs
delivery to or from the area I'm going, I can be contacted.  Also,
someone who might want a machine further away than my house may actually
find another FWF who is going through my area (I'm right off Rte 84
which heads East and West) that can pick it up and take it further.  It
would be interesting to see what comes of it!  BTW, I'm really not going
away that weekend - just making up a sample! : )
We could at least try this a few times and see what comes of it.  Sorry
to say I personally have no immediate travel plans! 
Subject: Singer Stocking Darner questions
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 13:46:05 -0500

I usually just lurk and learn here, but I haven't paid much attention
to stocking darner discussions because I didn't have one.....until now.
So, I apologize for asking what has probably been asked before.

I just picked up a Singer stocking darner at a flee market and
was reading the instructions that came with it. If I understand 
correctly, the darning foot and coverplates were not included?
It doesn't look like there would be room in the box.
Also, I don't need the cover plates if I'm using it with my Singer model
15s with the feed dogs down, right? I'd have to use them with
my 99 and 66s though.
It also seems to imply that the darning foot is an option, but
that it works better with the darning foot. 
I'm not sure I'm ever going to darn socks with it, but
ya never know.

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FW Cardtable I

Jack   wrote:

Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:33:43 -0700                                           
Subject: FW table                                                               
Hi Feathers. My DW says that the cutout for for the FWs in her FW table
is too far away from the edge to be comfortable for her when sewing and         
she was wondering if anyone else shared the same Opinion.                       

Jack....I agree with Carol....I found that I can't hardly see the foot
because it is so far away...(about 9 inches from the edge).  I had to take
the machine out and sit it on top to use it....is this heresy???....I also
agree with Capt Dick that it is a useful table and great to sew

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:52:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Elna Supermatic

A friend who just came up north for a few days brought over her mothers Elna
Supermatic freearm sewing machine for us to see.  It's green and comes in a
green metal case which unfolds to make a sewing table which the freearm
slides into.  It appears that all the attachments, cams and manual are there.
 There is also a .39 singer oil can included and a green cylinder style oil
can with it.  The machine looks like new!  She said her mother bought it to
learn to sew & never did.  She's interested in selling it, but I haven't been
paying attention to the Elna messages so didn't know what to tell her other
than the fact that *someone* would probably be very interested in it. This
wouldn't be the lotus that I see mentioned, would it?  I didn't think that it
was particularly light, but it was a very interesting machine.  The pictures
on the manuals looked about 50's vintage.

Anyway, anyone can contact her directly via email   Jan_Gwen@prodigy.com
She lives in the Chicago area.  She's also going to Greece next week, so if
you email her & don't hear back right away, she's probably gone already.

Subject: Bobbins, Bobbins!
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:30:37 -0400

Found a bag of bobbins at the antique mall for $3.  A rough count indicates
about 40 bobbins.  Problem is, I don't know what machine(s) they fit!  Most
of them look like my Elna bobbins and I tried one and it seemed to fit.  Am
I taking any chance to try to use these without knowing whether or not they
are meant for the Elna?

A different type (only 2-3 of these) has three large holes and one small
hole at equidistant points on the surface of the bobbin.  Anyone need

Thanks for any info.

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:49:59 -0700
Subject: Thread take-up spring needed

I recently purchased an AG FW with its upper thread tension assembly
completely dismantled and in pieces in the tray.  We have put it back
together using the diagram in Nancy S-J's book but are missing the thread
take-up spring. Does anyone have a source for one?  
I hope they are still available. If not, whatare my alternatives?
Subject: Singer manuals/cleaning machines/Frank in Arlington
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:58:35 -0400

Hi All,
Things I've found out recently:

Singer only sends manual copies for "some" machines.  They sent me
a copy of an adjuster's manual for 127s and 128s.  It was free and 
arrived in less than a week.  I have no idea which other models have
manuals available, but always ask because the adjuster's manual
copy is a great thing to have.

Re: cleaning machines.  The local retired Singer man made a house
call to work on my "new" treadle and this is what he used:  409,
(do not substitute Fantastic or Glass Plus), followed by WD-40,
followed by a light layer of machine oil.  He's apparently done this
to my FWs over the past couple of years and I've had no problems.
I am NOT endorsing this, as I don't have enough knowledge to do
so.  I'm just reporting what I saw.

Finally, I called Frank at the museum in Arlington to ask about his
301 stock and he said to please tell everyone that the number listed
for him in posts and releases is a phone, not a fax, number.  He
does have access to a fax, but it's not his, so he'd rather use it
sparingly.  He welcomes all calls, regarding purchases or just
general information calls.  I enjoyed speaking with him.

Hope this helps someone.  I've certainly received a lot of help
from this list and ISMACS.  And Terri in Houston,  where
did you learn so much about repairing sewing machines?
I want to learn more.  Advice, please.  Thanks.
Subject: Singer 15 treadle
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:42:53 -0400

I also have just acquired my first treadle, a Singer 15 with the same
decals as Christine described yesterday -  almost iridescent vines
and scallops.  It's from 1922 and I actually found two of them.
The first was an electrified one at a yard sale, in a hideous
falling apart cabinet, but the machine itself an 8.  Because the
light's wires were severed and the motor wires frayed almost
through, I decided to forgo the rewiring expense and left it
and its beautiful decals reluctantly.

Next stop was an appt. to look at a treadle.  Four drawer cabinet,
good shape except for the top, with the exact same 15 machine head,
(except for the balance wheel) and in c5.  An added bonus was
that the cute engineer and his father delivered it.  The heaviest
thing I had to carry was the drawers.  After heaving a 66 in a 
cabinet out of the van and into the house by myself a couple of
weeks ago, I was most appreciative of that service.  Of course,
I went back and bought the beautiful 15 and freed it. 
Total costs:  $175.

Having bought both, I had a great time learning how to swap them.
(I never would have tried this without this list and the FWF list,
so thanks again to everyone who makes these possible.)
Almost succeeded, but had trouble with the stop motion mechanism.
May have had the washer in wrong.  So, the local retired Singer
man made a house call and I got to watch him work.

He uses 409 to clean the machine, followed by WD-40 and a light
layer of machine oil.  He obviously has cleaned my FWs this way
over the past couple of years and I've noticed no problems.  He
did say Fantastic, Glass Plus, etc are not as good as the 409,
which I already knew from a friend in the commercial cleaning

Am still inept, despite Capt. Dick and Katrina's directions, at
getting the belt to feed itself onto the wheel.  If someone could
post me privately and explain in detail, using clockwise,
counter-clockwise directions, I would be grateful.  I tried
taking it off and putting it back on after Mr. Wilson left,
to make sure I understood it.  Apparently, I didn't. That
belt release keeps getting in the way.  ?? 

I also spoke to Frank from the museum in Arlington, to ask
him about his 301 stock, and he asked me to pass on the
message that the number listed in the releases/posts about
him is a phone, not a fax, number.  He does have access to
a fax machine but it's not his so he'd rather use it sparingly.
He welcomes all calls, whether about purchasing or just
general info questions.  I enjoyed speaking with him.

Finally, my favorite North American/British mistranslation is
"knock me up," which I understand means "give me a wake
up call" to a Brit.   Lin 
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:53:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Paragon Sewing Machine


My wife and I have a Paragon sewing machine (the motor has been removed). The
only information on the machine is a serial number.  Who can I contact to
find out the manufacturer of the machine and any history about the machine.

I look forward to any information that may be of assistance.
Thank You
Subject: GE machines
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:17:27 -0400

I wanted to pass along some observations on my GE machines (for those of
you into trivia!!). Now that I have two, I put them side by side and
discovered some minor differences: 

The first one has a plate on the back of the machine with the serial number
(2733), while the newer one has it inside the base of the machine (it's
7110 - so IS newer, I imagine!).

The earlier model has a GE emblem in the middle of the bed, while it's not
there on the later model, and the earlier one has fancier decals on the arm
AND decals on the back of the arm (not so on the newer one).

The earlier model has a hole in the slide plate for opening while it was
merely an indentation on the later one (like most other machines).

The biggest difference was in the face plates: the earlier model has a
lovely silver scrolled one, while the later one is green with the GE logo
(much plainer).

Probably not of interest to many of you, but I do like to gather together
as many bits and pieces about old machines as I can - liken it to working
on a jigsaw puzzle sometimes! Never know WHERE each piece might fit to
complete the picture!  Sue 
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:41:30
Subject: List of SM books

>Someone mentioned going to their library and not finding any books there.
>I don't know how your library system works in the States, but in Canada
>they have a wonderful interlibrary loan system.

I guess that was me.  Yes I do know about interlibrary loan.  I have work
with the gals at the public library to obtain some books.  I guess the
things I am interested in, not many other folks are.  I guess I ask for
information on oddball topics : )

Is there a list on someones website of the books that are writtenthat I
might give a list to my librarian to hunt up for me?

Of course NOW I am training my eyes to look at flea markets and thrift
stores to look for sewing books as well as SM !

QUILT Project
I read about folks working on a quilt project using their machines.  Where
do I find info on this and is it too late to enter?  If too late will there
be another project soon?

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:02:09 -0700
Subject: Re: FW fanatics 9/22/97

I live in Gold River, CA and use the Cordova Sew & Vac. for my FW repairs. 
They do a great job and they do have lots of old Singers.  Nice folks.
Subject: Misc.
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:30:40 -0700

Hi, all

OK!  Can we get a count of quilt submissions coming in?   Can do
something like, "OK, the actual challenge ends Nov. 1, but for
purposes of display at Indianapolis, we'll accept additional entries
through _______, until we get the number they require"?   I WANT TO

Re digitital cameras, I have been swamped with input from both the SM
and ventriloquist people.   General consensus:   Casio is good in the
lower price range, the Snappy "take a frame out of your video system"
gets lots of votes, too.   Top recommendation by consumer test is
Cannon and Konica.   Here are a couple of links to Home PC magazine,
which has a complete consumer test on line:

"Home PC magazine at home.  This last month they rated
digital cameras.  They have a web site where you can access all
contained in their magazine.  The site is:


You can "search" for whatever you are looking for or go directly to
the Oct
97 issue where the digital camera article is listed.  


The article is very lengthy and gives lots of opinions of people who
actually used each of the products.  I have found lots of great
in this site.  "  (link provided by NEYR)

Captain Dick
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:53:17 -0700
Subject: Singer U.S. from Canada

To Eveline,

You can access the American Singer company from Canada. I just dialed the
1-800 number and had to listen to musak for a while but I did get through
to find out the birthdate of my FW. I wouldn't call in on a Monday morning
but wait til at least Tuesday, as their phone lines will be really busy.
The number I called, in case you don't have it, is:  1-800-877-7762 but I
can't remember which extension I went to - it might have been consumer
services or something along those lines. Hope this helps.

Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:30:04 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/8/97

Hi Guys! 

I bought a Singer treadle machine this morning at a garage sale for $135
the cabinet has been refinished and 
although it has some damage to the veneer it is not unattractive! They
had a New Home treadle SM that was dated 1898 for $115.

I actually bought the machine for my best friend, as she recently
informed me that she learned on a treadle, and was looking for one. It
needs a belt, but otherwise looks to be in working order.  It came with a
handful of bobbins, and a case of "Rotary" brand attachments(?!). It is
the most ornate Singer machine I've ever seen, with colorful gold and red
decals. The bobbin plate has the date 1910 on it. We aren't sure how I
will get it to her, but we will somehow.

Did I do okay? (:>)

(The couple had a lot of treadle SM cabinets if anyone is interested.
They gave me their card so if you want the name and number I will pass it
I just bought myself a 66-16 singer two weeks ago so my DH is going to
get a little upset with me, especially as I am unemployed while I study
for the CPA exam. OH WELL!

Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:57:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bobbin case

Hi everyone.
I purchased a very strange and wild looking suitcase style sewing machine
the other day from an Antique shop here in Toronto, Canada.  It was tagged
circa 1930 Germany and has a hook and bobbin assembly that is the same as a
221/222/301.  Now if this were to be true then did the Singer company buy
this design off this German manufacturer or buy the company because of this
design?  I really don't have any idea if any of this makes sense but in all
my research and reading of these posting each day,  never has there been any
mention of any other machines having this same feature (bobbin and hook
assembly) as our beloved Featherweights.

If you could possibly help with the identification or add anything to this
please head over to my site and in the index select "Mystery Machines"

Re: Millies Machine...I've posted Millies machine up on my page *remember 14
children* select "other machines" from index on my page.

Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:32:51 -0700
Subject: new photos

Just a note to let all know how to find my photo's. Just click on the
url at the bottom of this msg.  I just learned that there is another
Taria out there who has a web page with the same name on her page- but
she has dirty stories on her page!  What a rotten coincidence, so don't
go there from a search engine. Look for Taria's Sewing machines.  There
is a new highlight page with some wonderful photos of a 'white' FW, and
a lot of good photos for id purposes.  Enjoy! 
Taria, who is sorry she didn't take better care of her back last week :(

Please visit my Web Page:
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:21:41 -0700
Subject: Houston Quilt Festival

Greetings Fellow FW Fanatics!

We're on the road again.  This time, to the Houston market and Festival.
All fellow FW Fanatics are cordially invited to drop by and say hi.  The
Little Foot booth will be in the same location, row 1900 in an end cap at
the big red doors.

Tell me you're a FW Fanatic, and I'll have a free FW note pad for the first
50 or so who drop by.  I'll be easy to spot, the only man working in a
booth with 4 ladies.  (Is this a great job, or what!)

BTW, please stop by and let us know if there is to be any FW Fanatics
get-together outside of Festival hours that we vendors might be able to
attend.  We're leaving the 13th for market and won't see the listings after
that date.

Phil at Little Foot    
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:48:30 -0400
Subject: Needed

Hi everyone, I'm wondering if I could purchase a zig-zag cam off someone
for a singer touch and sew model #648 I got it at a garage sale for my
sewing class. I teach basic sewing in our Christian School once a week
we do alot of heat and bond applique and need zig-zag machines but if
someone out there has an extra cam I'd love to purchase it.  Many thanks
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:50:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Moonsage has a problem....

I have always stuck with the local machines since I know them the best.
 Singer, White, etc.  But I could not pass this one up.  Mundolos, original
victoria.  No motor, no handle no nothing.  (Sorry Graham, colonists do not
always use the Queen's english very well.....Ok OK  we don't use it at all.)

It was in a case, goes in sideways.  Have the attachements, oil can (with the
screw on top) and that is all.  Has anyone heard of this?  Looked Canadian as
it has a maple leaf design on the bed.  It is a horrid industrial green and
built similar to a Sew Handy except the wheel is on the top and it uses the
long bobbin.  

I got it from a man who was selling a white rotary. If anyone needs parts it
is a 1927 with the case destroyed.  The machine was good with no foot
control.  The controller was there but in pieces.  Had the cover of the
manual but nothing else.  I did not get it but if someone needs it I will go
back and see him.  It is a portable.  All the faceplates are there.  Machine
was really in good condition.

When I called and he told me it was in a suitcase I flew over there as he was
not really good at the discription.   Very feble.  He graduated from college
the year I was started school.  Talked with family and they have already
gotten the things that they treasured and OK for him to sell.  I was so
worried about him that I locked the door behind me to be sure it was closed.
 A robbery waiting to happen.  Called family and warned them.  

Blessed Be
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:35:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: I might have a FW?

   Please advise me. I found an old Singer at sale today to be sold tomorrow.
It is a hand crank. It is so well balanced it almost goes by itself. It was a
portable with a pretty wooden case over it. No accesseries. ON the Wheel, a
crank folds out and you turn it that way.  Model #F1595001
    Should I buy it? How much? 
    Is it a featherweight?
Thanks a Lot, Annie
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:03:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re:  Bobbins for FW and mea culpa

I feel really stupid.  The day my email was posted, asking for a bobbin
source, I walked into our local quilt shop.  I asked if by any chance she
knew of a source for these bobbins.  As I was speaking, I was looking at the
stuff she has one the wall -- and there they were, saying "Singer sewing
machine models 221 & 301."

It didn't occur to me that Singer would still make these, but I'm glad they
do.  I shall be more cautious about asking for help in the future -- :-%

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/5/97
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:19:09 +0100

To Susan re Wilcox and Gibbs

No problem dating these. Let me have the serial number -- look under the
stitch plate on the main casting. Number probably begins with an A.
Can provide a copy manual . Mail me

Date: Sat, 11 Oct 97 16:09:45 UT
Subject: Quilt Festival

Hello all...this post is for anyone who will be attending the Houston Quilt 
Festival...be sure to stop by Fred and Barbara Switzer's booth 
SUNCATCHER...there will be Featherweight's and some toy machines to 
purchase....Fred and Barbara are wonderful and their sewing machines are 
excellent...so if you are in the market for a machine, just want to fondle 
one, or just want to talk about our beloved featherweight's be sure to stop by 
their booth. 

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/6/97
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:19:16 +0100

To Moonsage

We dumped treadles in favour of electricity for the same reasons you turn a
key to start your car rather than get out and swing a crank, press a button
on a remote rather than get up to switch chanels on the tube, throw the
washing into a machine rather than taking it to the river's edge etc etc

To Pam

A centenial is a machine made by Singer in 1951 (or very close to it) which
has the special badge with the blue border and the 1851-1951 dates.

There are a few spares companies with web sites but mostlt for industrial
models. Alta Vista picks most of them up.

There will be list of book both in and out of print up on the ISMACS web
site very shortly http://www.ismacs.net

To Evon re Willllllllcox and Gibbs

Wilcox is spelt with just one "l"  The ocassional spelling with two is
probably down to my typo skills  and lack of time to check what I write.

W&G no 692360 dates 1931. All were made until 1948 at the Sharpe and Brown
factory in RI.

Durkopp is indeed German . Nickolaus D started his business in Bielefeld in
1867 producuing Wheeler and Wilson-type machines.
Domestic-machine production was stopped in 1930 in favour of industrial
models. Taken over by Barthel in 1939.

To Diana re veneer

Problem with replacing an entire veneer top is applying the necessary
pressure over the entire table whilst the glue sets to make sure you have
good contact over the entire area. I have a very ugly jig with a flat steel
plate 2ft 6in x 4 ft which sits on the top of the table and then get
weights piled upon iy.. Cut your veneer well oversize and trim afterwards,
cover any holes and cut out last ( beware, knives like to follow the
grain). Use one of the clever white PVA glues and mske sure the table top
is free of any old glue, bumps etc.

Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 05:23:50 -0700
Subject: Gel Pacs

To keep the FW from mildew, be very careful when using the gel pacs
inside your featherweight case. That is a good idea to use gel pacs to
keep down the moisture, but if the gel pac is against the metal
anywhere, it can cause rusting. This is because the gel pac absorbs
moisture and the moisture next to or against the metal will cause rust.
I ruined my prize pre 1952 Marlin Leveraction rifle, when I put a gel
pac down in the case thinking it would keep my rifle dry. I live near
the beach. It rusted the end of the barrel and the value of it as an
original is gone. I had it re-blued, but it will never be the original
again nor the value of an original. I love the sewing machines as much
as my guns, and I want to make sure that I don't ruin either one.

Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:24:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Elna Lotus Manuel

My friend, who lives in Anaheim, Ca, recently purchased an Elna Lotus from an
Estate sale. No manuel however. Does anyone know where she might find one?
Thank you.
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:38:38 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/9/97

Hi Marge,

You asked about needles that fit the old White treadle machines.  I have a
vibrating shuttle machine from the turn of the century (it is either 1902 or
1912 - I cant remember off the top of my head) and I found needles that fit
locally at a Bernina dealer :0)  Measure your needle.  Mine is 1 3/4" long and
has one flat side and the rest is rounded.  The company that makes the needle is
called Hollandia and is located in Holland.  Style is 20 X 1 and the size is
14-90 or 16.  Check locally to see if you can find them.  If not, the man I got
them from (who keeps them in stock at all times) said it was OK to post his
business here so.........

                                        Sinnamon Sewing Machine Service
                                        Rowland M. Sinnamon
                                        265 Osbourne Rd
                                        Albany, NY 12211


He will do mail order and if I'm not mistaken the needles were 50 cents a piece
(I could be wrong on this one since I bought a ton of them just in case and
havent needed any since).

Hope this helps.


Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:08:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: A new Find

Well, I swear I read  in the last couple of weeks about what I just found but
here goes and would love to hear from anyone that did write in or has
something similar or the same. The object is a tie clip marked on the back
with 12KGF and Slant Needle Club.  On the front is a blue and silver globe
and on top of that is a gold Singer sewing machine which I think is a 401.
 Now I am sure I have seen something in digests about Slant Needle club and
may have been the same object.  I am sure I paid too much as usual and feel a
bit guilty owning it although it looked very nice on my suit jacket.  It is
in pristine condition and is really an extremely attractive piece of jewelry
-- but I don't wear ties!  I was really thrilled to have the piece.

Of course I am not a TSM collector but seem to have accumulated 15 TSMs over
the past few months  -- almost as many as full fledged machines.  I also
found my third 301 in a cabinet yesterday from the original owner -- said her
mother had bought it for her in 1960 and she had only used it three times (as
there were no pin scratches on the bed and the attachments are still wrapped
in tissue paper, I think she was telling the truth!).  Also came with
buttonholer never out of the box with the extra cams  and zig zagger with
cardboard still in the box!  Also came with the stool and blonde cabinet.
 Was needless to say another one of my bargain machines (although not as
bargain as most, but didn't want to argue about price).  That makes 5 301's
and I am about ready to offer up a couple for sale -- especially if someone
is local and wants a cabinet!!  Only have 4 FWs so need to play catchup.

Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:04:20 -0500
Subject: Digital cameras

Debra said:

>   .... With digital
> cameras you somtimes get an image that looks more like a quilters
> watercolor image (mosaic like) and to be honest I haven't quite figured
> that out...Somtimes it comes out fine and somtimes looks mosaic. I think
> it may be the software I am using. The camera came with the Kodak
> software and I sometimes use Compupic 32 to adjust the photos.

One of the big factors in how your digital camera pictures come out is
how you manipulate the image.  I've got a Kodak camera, too, and the
software that came with it isn't very good.  You have to use the
*driver* that comes with the camera, but you can use that driver from
any good piece of photo editing software.  (You don't have to buy
full-blown Adobe, either -- I've been using the photo editor that comes
with Office 97, and it works well.  It's not a Mikeysoft product -- they
bought it from someone else and stuck it in the suite.)  If you have a
scanner, too, you can switch between scanner sources and use either.

If you have Windows 95 or NT, be sure you get a 32-bit photo editor!  It
will give you more available RAM for use in scanning in photos.  It's
not going to be such a huge problem with acquiring digital camera
photos, because they're limited in size to begin with, and the highest
resolution you can use is the highest one the camera will handle. 
(Typically, cameras have a limited amount of camera memory available to
store photos in, so you usually don't overextend the PC's capabilities
when you transfer the images.  That's not necessarily true of a scanner,
particularly when you're using 24-bit color scanning...)  If you use a
32-bit photo editor to place your camera images in, it will also be much
faster and more reliable.

AS for which camera to get, it's mostly a matter of finding the one with
the features you think you need for the best price.  Most of the
big-name brands are going to be good choices, and be sure you don't
leave Agfa out.  (They've got a name in photographic imaging, but not so
much in the PC world.)  One of the major features you should consider is
how many pictures you can store, and what resolution they'll be stored
in.  Typically, a camera will store x number of pictures in low-res
mode, or half that many in high-res.  One of the high-end features you
can get is a memory card that will allow you to switch out cards and
take more pictures without having to download the first set.  Before you
buy a camera, it's a good idea to find a place that has a good selection
of them, and that has a place where you can try at least a couple out. 
The computer store I bought mine at had probably 20 models there, and
most of them were hooked up so I could check the images.

Some things you should know, though:  digital cameras don't necessarily
produce photo quality images.  The higher the resolution of the pictures
(i.e., the more photo-like the image is) the more memory it takes to
store the image.  There's a tradeoff between the number of pictures you
can store in the camera, and the quality of the picture.  You can
probably get better results (in terms of detail) scanning in a photo on
a 24-bit color flatbed scanner, and color flatbed scanners are available
in the same price range as the digital camera.

Also, these things don't have regular camera lenses.  (They're sort of a
mobile scanner with some memory.)  You can't get really tight focus --
about the closest focal length you're going to get is a half-meter, and
the result is not going to be perfectly clear.  If you're photographing
sewing machines, you're going to lose a lot of the detail on those
decals, and you won't be able to get really good closeups of them,
either.  The high-end cameras are better than the less-expensive ones,
but you can still probably get better results with a $250 color flatbed
scanner and 35MM photos.  Also, lighting can be a problem -- it's not
like you can add a synchonized flash!

I bought the tiniest Kodak available -- it doesn't have a lot of
features, but it slips into my purse (it's even smaller than my little
35MM Olympus) and it does a great job for what I bought it for, which is
mostly to take candid shots of the kids and get them into digital format
quickly for e-mailing to the grandparents...

Subject: Cabinet refinishing
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:22:41 -0600

   I have a combo sewing/writing desk cabinet that needs refinishing.  I
have not done this before and I have a question about veneer.  I know this
is a woodworking subject but I have no connections with woodworkers or
   In one small place on the top of the fold-out extension there is a place
that has been wet and the veneer has bubbled on a seam--separating it.  If
I push the bubble down the seam closes.  I believe this can be re-glued to
it's former flush position with a board and clamps to hold it.  My question
is: what kind of glue should I use and how do I keep the glue from seeping
through the seam and sticking to the clamped board holding the veneer down?
TIA,  Patty 
Subject: update on info on 201
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:37:49 -0500

Hi all;

I wrote in yesterday's digest asking about a 201 I had found and wondering 
if it was worth buying.

Well, after thinking about the machine for a couple days, I went back up to 
the antique store to take a better look--up on the counter instead of down 
on the floor!
I finally found the serial number, which placed the machine at ~1920. It 
was a full rotary, and full-size head., which is why I thought it was a 201 
at first. BUT, the head was cast in two pieces, and the serial number was 
too early for a 201, so I'm guessing that what I was looking at was a 101, 
instead. The entire bottom of the machine was enclosed---was it oiled from 
the top of the bed, or is the entire base filled with oil?
I did think it was kindof neat that the whole machine was wired directly 
into the base of the bentwood box. The cord plugged in to the back of the 
wooden base, and the only option was the (missing) kneebar---there was no 
way to put a footpedal on it. Was this a common practice with bentwood 
cases? I've never seen this before.
I decided not to buy the machine--I'm really looking for a 201, and don't 
have the room for this other machine. If anyone is interested however, let 
me know and I can give you more details.

Thanks to all who wrote with help in identifying the machine. This is so 
great to be able to get this help!


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