Featherweight Fanatics Archives

September 1997

Sunday, September 7 - Saturday, September 13

Subject: It's a 221
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 22:55:17 -0500

So much for first impressions.  My machine that I bought at the local Senior
Center here in W.Va. IS a Featherweight 221, born October 31, 1951.  It is
in excellent condition, has the special centennial medallion and runs very
smoothly.   I found out who brought it to the yard sale but alas, no case or
attachments and only one bobbin.  It was given to a lady during her high
school years, she said her father bought it secondhand at a jewelry store.  

I would really like a case for it.  an Original would be nice but I don't
really want to pay a grand amount for it.  What is the going price for a
case?  I see lots of people have spare attachments, what would they cost?

I did order the new edition of the 221 manual but it will be a week before
it arrives.  Was still wondering if someone could tell me where I should put
oil and/or lubricant so that I can be sure not to harm my little friend.  I
did put a drop around the bobbin case and in the hole on the bobbin winder
because they were a little stiff.  I am assuming that the holes that are at
various places on the machine are for oiling.  I know that there are screw
holes for the attachments, but are the others for oil?  Do you use oil in
some and lubricant in others?

I used someone's idea for a seam guideline since this machine had none.  I
cut a flat sheet magnet to fit just on the throat plate.  Works very good!
I couldn't bear to put tape on it,  and the magnet has just a very slight
raised edge and I can make a very accurate  scant 1/4" seam.  

Another question since I am new at this.  Do the motors on the 221 have a
long life?  Has anyone pieced on one so much that the motor gave out?  I am
so impressed at how well it sews that i want to do most of my piecing on it.
It sews  a straight seam better than my only other machine - a 20 year old
Singer Touch & Sew.  Sometimes I wish the manufactuters would put a mileage
counter on the sewing machines, it would be interesting to know how many
miles the have sewn!!!

Tell me is it normal to go and check and stare at your Featherweight for
untold hours?  Does this feeling that you have that you have something very
special ever lessen?  I have this urge to bring the family and friends in to
show them my new baby -- I mean  my new Featherweight. : )

Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 06:12:30 +1000
Subject: Request for Book list 

I was wondering if there is a list of books avaliable on sewing machines? I
seem to be getting the odd one mentioned here and another there can anyone
help ? thanks  Ann-Maree
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 97 03:30:10 UT
Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 9/5/97

There is a HOLLY HOBBIE childs sewing machine at Carlsbad House of Antiques, 
Carlsbad, CA  for $12.  It was in ok condition.
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 07:03:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/4/97

     Hi all , well it's time for another trip to the Great Northwest, come
sat I'm Portland,Gresham, bound, again, DH & I are going out to travel down
the coast to CAL , to the Redwoods, of course I'm taking in all the shops in
between. I need info on all the good hunting spots, anyone have any good
places for me??Sharon what about shops in Portland? I also plan to check out
the Seattle area too, if anyone knows of good shops ,Goodwills,Antique,
Thrifts, please E me this week so I can map out my trip, don't want to miss
any good places.Luckily DH loves to Search as much as I do.That SM my
son-inaw called about turned out to be a Very nice BLK Cenntenial,FW in a
nice case , he did good $30. makes 5 now all my grandaughters will have one
soon , they don't get them till they prove to me they can sew & take care of
my Babies. Well got to go I'm babysitting & she's UP &Running at 6:00am,boy
to be young again!!   By the way wish I could have made that trip to Franks
Museum, not all that far from me,I go through DFW on my trip, Maybe I can get
DH to stop off. Heh! Heh!   Keep on Searchin  Sandy 
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 07:07:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/4/97

        Sorry forgot this ,I have a FW I can deliver to Portland , on my
trip, anyone need one? Sandy 
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 14:06:31 +0100

Has anything happened to the Ebay auctions? I cannot access Vintage Sewing
or it states no items.

Subject: Reference tools
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:37:23 -0400

Have to add my two cents to the discussion on reference tools for
sewing machines - I think I own most of the ones available and find
there are some which are much more useful than others. I personally
really LIKE the Slaten book: he has pictures of many treadle bases
and machines that we might actually FIND someday, unlike the Bays
book which focuses mainly on really rare early machines. As for
prices, I think they're both about equally absurd - don't think many
people would be willing to pay THOSE prices! I also have the Grace
Rogers Cooper Smithsonian book which has quite a bit of good
information and photocopies of the Sincere Sewing Machine History
book (if ONLY we could get the republications SOMEDAY!!) and also of
Veteran Sewing Machines by Brian Jewell. If anyone knows of any other
sources I've missed, I'd LOVE to hear about them! Wouldn't it be
GREAT if someone were able to produce a book like the wonderful Toy
Sewing Machine ones from Glenda Thomas on FULL SIZE machines?? Talk
with you again soon. Sue McClure 
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:38:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 1920 Sewing Machine which says "Improved Belvidere" on the machine

My parents have this sewing machine in their basement.  It is treadle style
and it's cabinet has seven drawers.  Each drawer has a crystal round handle.
 Is this a singer or can you tell me who makes the Improved Belvidere?
Subject: Confused... 28K
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:12:16 -0700


It's good to be back to FWF....I had to go off-line for awhile!

Anyway, this summer on vacation I came across an old Singer handcrank with
arc shuttle action (front to rear).  Well, I took note of its features; and
compared it with the info in Capt. Dick's book...however I had a hard time
identifying the model...yet alone the year.  The serial # P221850....there
was no "P" listed; and then it had a nice flowery (Roses) decal...but it
looked like the words "Singer" were put on top of the flowers (not a
professional job); screw type stitch length (toward the bottom) with bobbin
winding mechanism underneath; Bobbin cover plates slide off toward the
front & back with a patent stamp of 1886;  tension is on the front w/ thumb
release lever; end plate is flat and plain.  Also had a beautiful wood
coffin style case with a latch closure (not using a key).

To make the story short....I called Singer...and this is a 28K,
manufactured July 2-Dec. 31st  1900.  I made a second trip back to the
Antique Store...and it's mine!

I'm one happy camper!

Subject: International Quilt Show
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:29:55 -0700

I'm thinking of going to the International Quilt Show in Houston since I'll be in Dallas around that time anyway.  Would someone please email me privately and let me know whether it's worth the extra airfare, rental car, and food?  (I think I can stay with my cousin near the Medical Center.)  Also, which day(s) are the best to attend?  Is there anything that I absolutely should not miss?  Is there a FWF gathering?  I'm VERY tempted to go, and I miss Houston anyway (lived there 6 years), so I just need a push to make up my mind. : )

Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 13:24:33 -0500
Subject: Rugby treadle machine

Hello Feathers,

I recently purchased a treadle sewing machine with the name "Rugby"on
it--godzilla finish with beautiful decals and in working order--$5.00
without cabinet.  I have never heard of this brand name before, can
anyone give me any background? 

Thank you.
Subject: New FWs
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 97 16:13:01 PDT

Hi all.  I just had the best weekend, and had to share.  Friday, DH and I went up to Toronto, Canada to get a Free-arm FW to add to my now-growing collection.  I bought it from Bob Bannen, a fellow FWF.  Had a great time visiting and drooling over my new machine. The Free Arm is a beutiful machine, and this one is in great shape!!!

From his house we went to a few antique shops before heading home.  Well, my first aquisition was a really nice Griest buttonholer.  The box, manual, and attachment look like it has never been touched, let alone used.  I have absolutely no clue what machine it will fit, but since I won't be using it, I suppose I don't really care.  It was in such nice condition, I had to have it.

 While I was inspecting it, DH had gone on ahead.  I no sooner had given it to the clerk to put aside for me, when DH calls from 2 aisles over to come quick.  Lo and behold, there is a Centennial FW in the case.  So of course I had to check it out.  The machine is probably a 7, in desperate need of a cleaning, and needs a new belt, but sews beautifully.  The box is in better condition, definately a 9.  There were a few attachments, but no manual or oil can.  The price was right, so it followed me home.  The serial number starts with EF, so it was built in Scotland, from early 49 to mid '50, according to the Nancy J-S book.  But it definately has the Centennial medalion on it.  The other interesting thing is that it has a scroll face plate.  I thought post-war machines had the striated plate!!!

So now I have 4 FWs.  My mother asked me what I was going to do with all these sewing machines.  >heavy sigh>  She's not a collector.

I finally got through to the Singer Consumer's Line the other day.  Found out the treadle I have is a model 66, with a 'birthdate' of 2/28/22.  It was my grandmother's.  I had first dibs on it, so I was the lucky one in the family to get it.  I've actually had it for about 5 years now, but never knew what it was.  It has a lot of red decals (so I guess that makes it a 'red eye'?), all in nice shape.  It's in a parlor cabinet.  It also needs a good cleaning, but right now the only space I have for it is back in a corner between a bookcase and a bed, so I can't even open the front door!!!!  Oh well, we just have to pay off the kitchen renovation so we can re-do the upstairs and I can get my own 'studio' area with plenty of room for my babies!!!!

Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:07:55 -0400
Subject: General

Hi All, My mom went to a garage sale over the weekend and picked up a
singer genie and asked me if was singers answer to the elna lotus. I
said I have no idea and said I would ask the experts on fwf's does
anyone have any infor on the singer Genis?? Age? are they easyily
breakable? Is it basically a piece of junk???? so on...... thanks guys
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 97 13:40:45 -0700
Subject: (no subject)


I am trying to locate a new belt for my Mother-In-Law's old Treadle Singer 
machine and some kind of owner's manual...can you point in the right 
direction??  It was built in Dec. of 1917 and has really neat Egyption 
artwork.  I think it's a model 66 (???)  I would appreciate any help!!


Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:01:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/5/97

To Moonsage and all re:  Lydia   - yes, it was made here in Lynn,
Massachusetts, I do believe.  It seems that I have read that it did such a
good job because of its possible alcohol content.  No wonder it made all the
ladies feel better!!!!    KnitQ
Subject: Singer Recognition Manual

Have noticed mention of the Singer Recognition Manual on the FWF listing as
available through ISMACS but can't find a listing of it once I get there.
Would someone please post address and cost here on FWF. Aso, how can I find
out what machine model a puzzle box I acquired at Bouckville, NY antique
flea market goes to.

Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 04:26:53 -0700
Subject: 329K

Does anyone have any information about this machine.  I only know it was 
made in Scotland but have no idea when it was made or how to get a 
manual.  It is a straight stitch machine.  I don't even know if it is 
slant, on not.  I should be able to tell by looking but can't.  Was it 
one of the lower priced models.  It is tan and the foot pedal looks like 
the one on the 30l.
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/28/97
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:50:25 +0100

To Leanne re Jones

Jones was the largest English manufacturer  eventually selling out to Brother.

The Family Cylinder Shuttle was made from the 1890s to the 1930s.

No records of the serial numbers/dates exist.

Check out the ISMACS web site later in the year for a history of the
company and pictures of the various machines. http://www.ismacs.net

 can help with a copy manual if you need one. Mail me

To Terri

Wheeler and Wilson dates as follows
 83829= 1862.
 291483 = 1867
331603 = 1868

The Florence: 99487 = 1870  The earlier one had the greater decoration

Wilcox Gibbs:  154300 = 1870 The treadle is not bronze but cast iron with a
bronze effect plating.

Singer:  15 105 008. =  Can't help you with this accurately. Try the Singer
freephone 1-800 4SINGER

Merrell was a brand name used by the Free SM Co

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/4/97
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:50:35 +0100

To Bob re jammed bobbin holder

They can break. Try your local repair shop and if all else fails post me
the entire assembly, two screws will release it from the shaft.

To Cathy re Singer Typewriter

Singer added, or rather sold, its name to a large variety of items --
including  bedroom furniture.

Don't get into collecting typewriters.
The world record price for a sewing machine is "only " $34.000. Typewriter
record set some years ago is $45,000.

Visitors to the ISMACS Convention in London next April will see the world
record sewing machine.


Where's the line for those who agree on your statement about "what's it
worth" ?

To Mary K
who wants to know what her Singer is worth. Read Moonsage's posting.

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/5/97
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:50:49 +0100

To Judy

The Mercury was one of scores of Japanese machines to flood the USA after
the  local industry there switched to sewing machines after the war.

Treadles can be very cheap at $200 or very expensive.

My advice, as always is not to buy any 20th century machine unless it is in
c8 or better condition.
To Andrea

Only tips I can give you after 30 years in the retail antiques business are:
1) It doesn't matter what the other guy paid for it
2) It doesn't matter what the other guy gets for it
3) Don't be greedy -- make friends not enemies.

Re aprons

Aren't these what folk wear today when taking  food from the freezer to the

Linda re Compact

These 1950s models are never going to be collectable. You did good.

Re Edison

These were made by White, Goodrich and Standard companies. Nothing like a
good name but nothing at all to do with Thomas Alva Edision of lite bulb
and phonograph fame.

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/3/97
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:49:34 +0100

Re Plexiglas

Quite a few museums that I do restoration work for insist that any
replacements parts are made of plexiglas (perspex in the UK). This was a
researcher can he how the original was made but with no suggestion of
faking parts.

Subject: Elna Lotus
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:22:36 -0400

Hi Feathers.  Today I saw a nice Elna Lotus, one of those small machines
that folds up into its own case.   I didn't get the model number, but it
was a fairly recent machine--a light, pale gray color.  The woman was
asking $75 and claimed to have just had it overhauled.  Was this a  good
deal?  Is it a good machine?  How does it compare to our FWs?  thanks for
any information.

Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:54:53 -0700
Subject: Model 312 card table


I was lucky enough to find a model 312 card table and machine this
weekend at the Tacoma Antique show.  It was the same exact table and
machine I looked at last year at one of these sales only the price
had come down tremedously.  I could sell the machine now for the price
of both pieces.  The machine is an 8.5 with oil can, attachments and
a very good case.  The table has a few scratches but other then that
no rust or anything.

I would like to use something on the top of the table just to clean it
up.  Should I just use soap and water or some special wood soap  - any
suggestions would be appreciated.  Then what would be best to put on it
after cleaning.  I don't really want to re-finish it or anything because
it's in nice shape but I'd like to put something on it - would furniture
polish work or ??  This is my first table so I'm unsure how to care for

Card tables are very "rare" in this area so I feel very lucky to find
one.  Who knows, next it'll be that tan featherweight I've been hunting

Happy Hunting....Kay
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:23:53 -0500
Subject: "Grayhound" machine

I *think* this one might be a New Home -- the grayhound was the symbol
for their machines.  (All the bullet-shaped shuttles they made had a
grayhound on them, and you'll usually find a grayhound somewhere on the
machine.)  One clue would be the presser foot -- it has what is called a
"top-clamping" foot, with a fork that fits around the presser bar, then
is tightened down with a nut.  The New Home was American -- the brand is
still around, but it was bought in the 60's (I think) by Janome, a
Japanese company.  

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Puzzlebox Hinge


  I was antiquing today and ran across a puzzlebox, with quite a few
attachments inside, but it was broken.  I bought it anyway because I could
see a few of the attachments were some I was missing, so that made it
worthwhile.  My husband and I were looking at how the hinge was attached, and
it looks like it would be pretty easy to fix, if we could get another set of
hinges.  The middle set was broken, and the purple velvet was keeping it
together somewhat.  Has anyone else ever seen the hinges anywhere?  We
haven't looked anywhere yet, but I thought someone might have a suggestion
for where to look.  Hobby shop?  They don't look like anything I've seen in
the big hardware stores.  I'd appreciate any help.


Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 23:26:05 -0500
Subject: What's it worth?

Hi to all,
	Had to share two things.  Local Sewing festival held today at urban hotel.  
Invited sewing friend along to keep me company.  She generously pays admission in since I drove.  I bought 6 raffle tickets on serger and sewing machine which will be given away later in the day.  I give 3 tickets to dear friend, and she wins the serger! How about that?!
	Yesterday, while on road trip to parents house, husband and I are listening to a local antique/collectible radio program.  Male caller to show asks experts hosting program about the value of his collection of old Singers with orginial paper work, attachments, etc.  He informs host that he has treadles and hand cranks.  Also these machines automatically advance the fabric.  Caller is concerned that the machines, which are marked United Kingdom and therefore made in London, are less valuable! Hosts on radio show do not believe there is much value in the machines.  The treadles would go from $100 to $200 if the cabinets are in excellent shape.  They say people no longer interested in using them to decorate houses.  At first I'm a bit irritated.   I'm having a conversation with radio which only husband and hear.   Then after  I calm a bit and give some thought, I believe that the answer was great.  Now perhaps I will be able to find a bargain because these old machines have no value!
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:18:58 +0000
Subject: Jones Sewing Machines

To Sharon re Jones Machines,

There are pictures of and information about Jones machines on my web 


I am also conducting a survey of Jones machines and would be very 
grateful if FWFs would enter details of any Jones machines they 
either own or come across. 

Information can be entered online on the site.

Many thanks,

Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:18:08 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/5/97

Could someone tell me of good areas to go antiquing in the southern 
portion of Maine (near Kennebunkport, Wells, etc.), not just for sewing 
machines but all sorts of antiques?  Any recommendations for places to 
stay at the beginning of October?  Thanks for any input!

Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:59:05 -0700
Subject: Singer Case

 I bought a SM at a yard sale last week. It is in a round top wood
case, but instead of a key it has a hasp of one end that looks to be
org. I called Singer & they say it is a  3VS made Apr.27,1892. Is it
3VS or VS3 ? I have seen both on the FWF. My question is this. The
case has a solid piece of wood to the right of the machine with 2 
holes about 3/4 in. in diameter, 1 front,1 back that line up with 
the wheel as though for a treadle belt. All of the other cases of
this type I have seen have a conpartment for att. ect. at this location.
Did this case set on top of the rest of the machine with the treadle
mechanism or what? Why would it be detachable from the rest of the 
machine. If this is orginal, not something someone has made, is there
a model number to the cabinet that belongs with it ?
   Thanks much, Bob
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:17:02 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/5/97

>Re what's it worth
>The doctors have told me to keep calm and not get worked up. Therefore I
>will not comment on the near 1000-word what's-it-worth message in a recent
>digest. To think, I actually paid to download it.

Since I am the one who wrote that and that was not my only question in that
letter had you actually read it I feel quite offended by this.  There is a
prefectly good reason for my question. I have to pay homeowner's insurance
and I need to know how much to insure these machines for.  I figure I would
turn to the digest to get some information about the machines in general and
try to find out the value of the machines in order to insure them.  I don't
live in the best of neighborhoods and there have been thefts lately.  Owning
fourteen machines now,  I feel that I need to update my insurance and I want
to be prepared before i call my adjuster.  I sorry that you find my question
so upsetting, but I honestly don't understand why.  And if it is the money
for downloading you must remember that we all pay for that and often get
more than what we would rather have that is part of being a subscriber to a

Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:58:54 -0700
Subject: misc

To Moonsage:
Yes, I know what Lydia Pinkham is!! Not that I ever took it, but I found
an advertising booklet this summer put out by Lydia & Co. I got a really
good chuckle reading it as it proposed to cure absolutely every feminine
malady know to woman at the time!

To Andrea, I also found a straight stitch buttonholer in a black case
this summer. Identical to the greeen in all other aspects...

where in Central Ct are YOu?? I'm in Rocky Hill. During the past 6
months I have heard of so many new CT FWF's that I'm almost willing to
bet that we have enough for a FW gathering??? What say you all??

To all:
Another WEED sewing machine followed me home this weekend. Last patent
date on plate is 1874, whereas my other one is about 1870. This one is
also in Carter Bay's ENCYCLOPEDIA of Antique American Sewing Machines
with a note that it was exported to Europe. I guess this is one which
missed the boat!

My early small treadles now are 2 Weeds, 1 Aetna and 1 Willcox & Gibbs..
I do love these small treadles...

Oh, funny thing about how I found this latest WEED. I was driving by a
house that I have passed numerous times before. Only this time I saw a
very small signs saying 'antiques open'. Of course, I had to stop and
was floored to see the WEED sitting there. There is a 'new' belt bought
for it and the shoppe keeper told me she bought it as a replacement.
When asked where the old one is, she said she threw it away a few years
ago. So I suspect that WEED has been sitting in her shop for years
waiting for me to come along....

Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:11:53 -0700
Subject: kneelevers

This week DH takes 2 kneelevers to his secret source to have duplicates
made to fit the 128 and 99 Singer machines. Hopefully will have them
within a few weeks and cost will be MY cost plus postage (I am guessing
between $15 and $25). Let me know if you want one and which kind you
need - flat end or round end. To determine this, see what is expected
inside the hole in the base where the kneelever goes in.. Satisfaction
guaranteed. Millie
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:02:11 -0400
Subject: The Challenge

For those of you working on Challenge Entries:

A National Quilt Show/Convention has expressed an interest in inviting
participants in the Featherweight Fanatics challenge to show their
quilts as a group at a Spring 1998 show!  That is, if we have enough
entries, to be considered a challange by them.  I would like to know
informally, how many of you are planning on submitting your quilt to our
challenge, and if you have an opinion as to weather you would allow your
quilt to be "out of your hands" for three weeks in late Spring, 1998. 
Please post to the group if you are interested, and I will "tally" the
numbers.  Participation in the show would not be manditory for those who
participate in the Challenge, as far as I'm concerned - but would be
Thanks in advance for your responses, please e-mail me privately should
you have any questions.
Also, I would assume shipping and entry costs would be your
Subject: Centenial F/W
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:24:42 -0700

Hi all!!

	It's been a while since I last posted, but I jsut need to pass along this
info!!  I met a really nice couple at an Antique show this past weekend
with a Beautiful Feather weight centenial (AK serial number) for sale. 
They are not on the Net so I told them I would give out the info for them. 
The machine is easily a C-8 with all the goodies except and oil can.  It
does however have a tube of lubricant, the asking price is $395.00.
(considering there were at least 12 F/W at this show  all $400 plus, I am
surprised it didn't go.  I already own one or I would have been tempted). 
Anyway, their conact info is:

	Mac MacKenzie    (253)572-7772 or (253)208-0342

Good luck!!

Also, I found a great Singer oil can which is silver in coler & never used
about 3" in diameter, anyone interested?  I really only like the smaller
ones for my toy machines, so this one is for sale!

Talk to you soon!

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:26:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa FWF Gathering and more

I am hosting a FWF Gathering on October 11, 1997 at my home in Janesville,
WI.  All Feathers who are in the Wisconsin, Illinois, or Iowa area ( or
anywhere else close enough to make the trip) are invited to attend.  Please
email me privately for more details.  

On another topic, while at a rummage sale this weekend, I asked my usual
question "Do you happen to have a sewing machine for sale?" and the woman
replied that she had an old SM, it didn't even have a plug on it,  that she
would give to me if I wanted it.  She brought it out and it was a fiddle base
long bobbin Singer, looks something like a 27 except for the base shape.  It
was just the head only but it appears complete--slide plates, shuttle,
tension assembly, etc. and everything moves--there's still thread on the
bobbin.  It's probably a 4 to 5 with some major cleaning up required but the
decals are intact, although silvered in some areas.  The serial number is
9031007--from Kristie Santilla's page I dated it at 1889 and probably a model
2.  I'll call Singer later in the week to see what they say--I never have
much luck getting through to them on a Monday.

I've been told by "an old Singer man" that machines before 1905 did not drop
into the cabinet but had the box top or coffin top for them.  Does anyone
have any pictures or descriptions of the cabinets that were available for the
fiddle based machines?  I need to have an idea of what I'm looking
for--another quest.

Hope the weekend was fruitful for all and I look forward to meeting some of
you all on October 11.

Subject: Sited, sorry not a FW
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:04:55 -0900

Attn Portland Oregon Area Bargain Hunters:

On the my sm bargain hunting adventure last weekend, I did find one
interesting prospect. It was located at St.Vincent on Stark in Gresham.

The brand: White Rotary in a wooden cabinet. I guess 1940's by the
furniture style. The cabinet was very nice looking with some scratches
(5-drawers). The machine looked to be in very good condition (cleaning
necessary.) The price was $125. (At this place I noticed there was notiable
about prices.) That may seem steep for a bargain hunter, but what impressed
me was ALL THE ATTACHMENTS AND MANUALS.  I saw over a dozen, perhaps 20
some attachments in orginal boxes with manuals. Some of them looked
brand-new (sparkling chrome.) All the drawers were chuck full of
attachments, bobbins, manuals, a plus for White collector.

This was very tempting to me and still is, but I promised myself no more
machines until I get all other my machines fully restored and my next
machine with be a vintage featherweight.

Good luck!
Subject: Stuff
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:09:12 EDT

Dear Feathers:

It's been a long time since I've rousted myself up to post some stuff. 
Sharon mentioned her dh going to an auction for a Singer gun...if anyone
ever sees one of these (that isn't 7500-10000$) grab it up.  They only
made 500 of them!!!

The bit about the ladies getting hysterial and having problems with
miscarriages and the like whilst using a "MACHINE" are sooo funny.  When
the sewing machine companies decided they had to really target women to
sell the machines to, they had a lot of bad propaganda to overcome;
namely, that women lacked the intelligence to Operate Machines!!!  So
they started out showing women & Babies working on the sm's.  Saying
*EVEN* babies could use them!!!! (Ahem?) So, obviously, even a woman
could do it!!!  Really funny, isn't it?  Also very depressing.  Oh well.

I've not had any luck with any sm's lately.  Also, it seems the sales
around here have been very lame.  The last thing I got was an older nice
Viking (my first!).  I keep looking under the covers everywhere I go to
see if a Card Table lurks there.  I didn't even realize til I read some
of the postings that there's a 401 table out there too, waiting for me. 
And of course, my Dream of Dreams is to find the FeatherWeight Cabinet!!!
 Oh joy!  And...I almost forgot....a Freearm, too!

On bargains:  I adore bargains.  If I was buying from a poor little old
lady I probably wouldn't bargain unless it was a high price...but hey!!! 
In today's world, there aren't many opportunities to get a bargain, so go
for it when you can!  It goes against my grain to not try to hondle *a
little* anyway.  The key is to be always nice and never offensive....if
someone is selling something dirt cheap to begin with, I wouldn't try to
get a lower price...recently, I bought a very nice area rug for
$35.00...I thougth it a very fair price and paid it without a word.  It
just depends.  I love it when you are able to "steal" something and pay
them what they want, like the time I got a Smiley pitcher for 25 cents
and my sister sold it in her shop, and MY end I got $118!  That's cool!! 
But doesn't happen everyday...

I'm always amazed at the constant new names that are on the Digest...it
makes me wonder how long so many of us were lurking, in no-where land,
un-united and alone with no one to share our *strange* addiction with!!! 
Now, we are united Internationally!!!  It's sooo wonderful, isn't it?

I think I'll go to the basement now and fondle my machines!!!:]

Mary, a true FWFanatic 
Subject: SNOOPY DANCE!!!
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:53:08 -0700

Hi, all;

Great "stumble on" find today.   Got a call from an estate dealer to
whom I had given a card last spring.   He had a portable Singer in a
bentwood case, hand crank, would I be interested.   He described
features to me and it sounded like your basic old 66 hand crank, but
it's a nice day and I wanted to get out, so I went to see it.  
Bentwood case, quite rough from being sun exposed to the point of
breaking down the finish.  Handle rusted  to the point of being
frozen.  Lock frozen but in the open position.   Take lid off.  
Black singer, drop in bobbin, lever stitch control with reverse, nice
hand crank, whole machine very stiff.   Little starburst decal in
middle of bed I have never seen before.  Serial number idicates 1941
Clydebank.  OK, let's tip it up and look underneath... uh, oh... two
little grease pots!  Let's turn that crank and watch the hook... it
rotary!!!!   This is a 201K hand crank!!    It came home with me for
the asking price of $40.

Cindition is not great, but plenty OK.   Gold worn at the front edge,
no serious nicks or extensive scratching.  Nice gold decoration on
the hand crank.   I think the lid is quite refinishable, and when
cleaned up, this is going to be a gem.   Will eventually get pictures
of the starburst decal up on the web site.  Needless to say, I am
quite please.   

Also got word today that I was successful in buying a Wilcox and
Gibbs oil bottle and a Singer oil bottle.  A good day... undoubtedly
my reward for taking Mrs. Captain on a trip this weekend to the
Olympic Peninsula and refraining from stopping at the many sales we
passed way out in what would have been totally new territory.

Captain Dick
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:16:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Cloth Doll Exhibit

For those of you in Northern CA who make cloth dolls on your FWs or who are
just interested in cloth dollmaking, there will be a wonderful cloth doll
exhibit in Oakland on Sept. 19th and 20th:

National Cloth Doll Makers Association
5th Biennial Cloth Doll Festival and Exhibit
Oakland (CA) Marriott City Center
1001 Broadway, Oakland, CA 

Friday 9/19/97 10am - 8pm   &   Saturday 9/20/97 10am - 4pm
Admission $5.00

The exhibit will have about 1000 dolls on display, including the "Figure in
Cloth" doll exhibit, dolls by Virginia Black and the Cloth Doll Magazine
"Challenge Dolls".  Admission includes entry to the Sales Room where there
will be vendors of all kinds of great stuff not just for cloth doll makers
but for other artists and sewers, too.

No affiliation, etc. etc., other than being an obsessed cloth doll maker,
sewer and sewing machine lover.  Oh yes, and I'm attending this event for all
4 glorious days!  This will be my 2nd time - I attended in 1995 and had more
fun than I can begin to describe here.

Hope some of you can make it.

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:01:19 -0400
Subject: Another Singer

Hello all:

I went to a garage sale today in Pittsburgh. I took a little scenic tour
(got lost), and when I found the place I saw someone carrying away a SM 
and thought  I wouldn't find anything...but I did.  : )   A woman was
selling the contents of a house  that she used for storage.  I went
upstairs and found a cabinet that contained a black Singer SM, s/n
AJ846552.  I can't tell what model it is from looking at the gold Singer
medallion on the front.  Is there a different place I can look to figure
out what it is?  I know that it was made around 1950 from the "AJ" but
that's all.  The gold detailing is in really good shape, perhaps 95%
there. It also has some silver striated detailing.   No manual but there
was a Singer oil can and another Singer lubricant tube, with some extra
bobbins.  The  price was right for me at $20. 

Then in the dining room I found a green plastic case with a Singer
buttonholer in it which  I got as a freebie.  Then I bought an old
utility quilt  made up of  drapery and/or upholstery fabric with a lot of
golden  tones for $5.  It has some stains but  I couldn't 
pass it up.  I had a good time even though I didn't find my FW yet.

I need a bigger house.  Someone posted recently about selling furniture
to make room for SMs. I chuckled over that posting...but I may get to
that point myself.  Take care everyone.

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:48:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Would like some info

Hi Feathers,

I still haven't found a FW, but last week I bought a Pfaff 30 treadle and
would like to know more about it. I answered an ad in the paper, and when
I got to the address I found it was a neighbor from when I was a child.
After catching up on what her daughters (my childhood friends) were doing,
I bought the machine, which is in a full front wood cabinet. The door
opens to allow treadling (? is that a word?).

The mother belonged to the woman's mother, who brought it over from
Germany. I got the manual, but it is in German. Strangely enough, I have a
1956 Pfaff 230 in a very similar cabinet, with a German manual which
belonged to my husband's grandmother. She also brought it over with her
from Germany.

Is the Pfaff 30 of the same vintage as the Pfaff 230? I don't really care
about what it is worth, because it is worth something to me. I just like
it. But I do wonder how old it might be and if there is anything I should
know about it. Serial number as near as I can tell is 3111 2602. The first
four digits might be 3444, but I can make out only the top half and the
ones may have large serifs on the top. Can't tell.

Also--- I have tried several times to reach ismacs.net on the web and have
not had any luck. I have been there before many times, and have it
bookmarked, but I can't get there now. The name server won't recognize it.
Has the address changed?

Thanks, all, for the help your so willingly give.

To Audrey...

Yes, the eBay stuff has been changed around.  If you go to the main 
auction web site, there's a "go to eBay" link at the top of the page 
somewhere. Then go to the listings, then Collectibles then Sewing, I 
think. I think the URL is: 


(long one, huh?)

Date: Mon,  8 Sep 1997 23:12:32, -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics 9/7/97

To Sharon
Re: Houston quilt show
Go by all means.  It is well worth the trip.  Just dress in comfort 
and wear very comfortable walking shoes.  It is crowded all days but 
worth the battle.  See the quilts first and then tackle the vendors.  
Last year there were about 600 of them there - dont know how many 
will be there this year.

Have fun .  Best of all things is that you can get up very close to 
the displayed quilts and really see them as they are displayed very 
Date: Mon,  8 Sep 1997 23:13:51, -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics 9/7/97

To Moonsage
Re: Lydia Pinkham tonic

Be careful if you take this stuff - One of their old advertisements 
was "A baby in every bottle".  How's that for a warning label!!
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:11:23 -0700
Subject: THE Singer genie

As to the Genie, about every 6 months someone announces to FWF the
purchase of a Genie. This week, 2 such announcements! I have one found
in 1995 which was made in Italy in the 1970's. I made many of my earlier
quilts with this machine - but now have moved on to older machines
(FW's, 301's and 201 mostly). The Genie is still a favorite, tho not in
the same class as the others...My humble opinion..... Millie

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:49:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Black Buttonholer Case

To Andrea and Sharon

I found a buttonholer in a black plastic snap case recently.  The texture of
the plastic closely resembles that of an FW case, the top is ribbed on
either side of the Singer logo. It has what I think is a throat plate cover,
four cams and the screw.  Seems as if it has never been used. So now we know
of three in existence.

Subject: Bernina's
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:53:43 EDT

I realize this list is for FWF, but I'm sure that many of us have other
machines that we still rely on as well.  I own a 830 Bernina and two FW. 
 I really thought that I wanted the 1260QE, but I waited too long and
there are not any available to purchase since they are closing them out. 
Does anyone know of any 1260 QE near them?   Anyone have one they would
be interested in selling?   

If I cannot find a 1260QE my next option is the Bernina 1630?  If you
have one, would you purchase the same thing again?  I am trying to decide
between the 1530 and the 1630.  The 1630 has a rotary hook system rather
than the oscillating system of the 1530.  The 1630, all stitches will go
to a width of 9 mm and the 1530, 5 mm.   I guess my concern is the stitch
quality  of the 1630...please advise by e-mail 

TIA,  Pam
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 00:09:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Help......

I have a problem reassembling a white built Kenmore that is about 31 years
old.  It is for a friend (very close one) or I would not be looking at it.
 After all the boa anchor jokes I have told on them I am learing to shut up.
 If anyone has any idea where I could get the service manual or at least the
tension assembly please tell me.  The Sincere book has similar ones but they
are not identical.  More pieces in this one.  I do know that it was wrong
when I took it apart so keeping the order I took it off is no help.

RE: aprons
You have never really "enjoyed" the fabelous fifties until your mom made you
iron a dozen of those starched cuties.  Have a nice collection of them.  No
mangler at my house except for me.  Of course then I was made to do grass,
the air was clean and sex was dirty, the beaver had a whole different meaning
and smoking was endorsed by doctors....(the last one is for you Graham)

re: the line for those who agree with "whats it worth"
How about just join me at a pub for a pint and we will leave the others
against the wall.  

re: Centenial FW
I am not ment to have one.  First one got away when hubby would not agree to
get it (275 US).  Second slipped through me hands at an estate sale for 75
US.  I am not giving up.  There were 15 sold in a group lot here in SC in
August.  I think they brought about 2300.  These were from a collection that
was appraised at 150,000.

re: cleaning a machine
Use gentle soap (like bar Ivory) and a damp cloth.  Why wash off the age?  If
you want a shiny new one Singer is still selling them.  

Blessed Be
Moonsage (yes it is my name)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 00:47:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/7/97

For those asking about e-bay the new address for the sewing related items is:

May the credit card gods be with you when you enter into this area.

Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:52:39 -0600
Subject: White Rotary bobbin case needed!

A friend was at an antique show on the weekend and thought he was doing me a
big favour by picking me up a White Rotary treadle in Grand Mission cabinet.
It is a very nice machine and he was excited because it had the Warranty
Certificate, catalogue of the different styles of cabinets, manual (in
fragile condition) and lots of attachments, but no bobbin case.  Does anyone
know where I could get one?

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:39:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SewMore

Hi All,
Saw a SewMore antique sewing machine in a thrift store this weekend. 
Anyone know anything about these?
It was in a condition 4 with a replaced foot pedal (newer style).
The store wants $25 for it. Is it good enough for getting for the collection?
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:58:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: New Baby

Hi Gang!

First, thanks to all of you who sent me replies about the mega-expensive
treadle I found.  I did not buy that machine, deciding instead to wait and
see what yelled at me.

Well, just a few days ago, a machine did yell at me.  I went back to the
store today and wound up bringing it home.  It's a Gritzner treadle in an
absolutely beautiful two-drawer cabinet.  The wood is inlaid with what I
believe to be centimeter markings and is in near-perfect condition, as is the
ironwork.  Also, the piece of wood that covers the cutout when the machine is
lowered also hangs on the lefthand side of the machine, forming a shelf for
additional sewing space.  The machine itself is in excellent condition, with
only the gold on the front wearing a bit.  The face plate is beautifully
engraved, and the fittings on the machine appear to be brass.  There is also
a pincushion on a swinging arm mounted to the machine right under the bobbin
winder, which is also brass with a royal blue velvet cushion.  The only thing
that came with the machine was the instruction manual, but a very nice lady
who has a handcrank Gritzner told me that some of the Singer parts (I don't
remember the model number offhand) are interchangeable, so it's quite
possible some of my various puzzle box parts may fit this machine.  It was
missing the shuttle, but I took one from my 128 and put it in.  It seems to
fit, but either I'm threading the shuttle incorrectly or have it in wrong,
because I can't get a stitch to form.  I'm going to play around with it and
see what I can come up with.

Anyway, I'm trying to find out some information on this machine and possibly
date it.  The serial number is 3448856, and the number on the cabinet is
4023.  Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much!

Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:24:23 -0700
Subject: Manual to trade??

I have a manual for the Singer 95-10 dated 1926 and would like to trade 
for a manual for the 301A...anyone out there interested? Maxine
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 06:43:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Attachments in KY

Hi all,
     Usually I just listen and lately I've been feeling like I would never
find anything again--you know--everyone else has found so many great machines
     Well, I went to "Craft Camp" with the Homemakers of the Blue Grass Area
last weekend.  Three days in a beautiful site close to Lake Cumberland. 
     On the way back to Lexington, I stopped in a Singer shop in Somerset,
Kentucky.  What a place.  The sm guy didn't know what all might be there, but
he did have some of the larger attachments on a shelf.  I found a zigzag
attachment for the straight needle, low shank; a blind stitch attachment for
the 401a (fits 301 series, I think); and a complete monogramer for the 401a!
 (box with attachment and small box with all letters of the alphabet--little
round cams like thick poker chips).
     I was so excited with all this, that I didn't even quibble over the
prices--$20.00 for the zz, $12.00 for the blind stitcher, and $35.00 for the
monogramer w/cams.  Was it awful, or average?  The blind stitch attachmet is
in a mint box and is perfect, w/book.  The monogrammer, also.  The zz is like
new, but has no instruction book.  Does anybody have one that you will copy
for me?  If so, email me saparately and I'll pay costs.
     He also had a SM graveyard;  a pile, literally that he'd canabalized for
parts.  Interesting...and I'd love to get in his drawers.  (Well, the parts
drawers in his cabinets--you know what I mean.)  
     Has anybody here ever used this monogramer?  If so, I'd love to hear how
it worked for you.  Please keep up the great posting.  I find that I love
this board, in fact I like it even better than my quilt digest, and I was
quilting long before I was bitten so badly by the old sm bug!!!
Nancy Ray 
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 05:42:11 -0700
Subject: Grayhound P

To Ingrid:  I have one of these, too, in fairly good shape - sorry to
say the case's life may come to an end if I move it much. It IS quite a
pretty machine, which is what attracted me to it in the first
place(that, and an attractive price!). Unfortunately, I don't have a
manual, nor a clue as to where to find one.
If any feathers can help Ingrid and me, thanks!
If any feathers would like a beautiful machine in a ratty case for a
little green, write to me! I'm still trying to make room after a year of
seriously fanatical sm collecting!

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:25:45 -0500
Subject: Your new baby

Patti/ Patch, you said:

Tell me is it normal to go and check and stare at your Featherweight for
untold hours?  Does this feeling that you have that you have something very
special ever lessen?  I have this urge to bring the family and friends in to
show them my new baby -- I mean  my new Featherweight. : )

Oh Patti!  you've got it bad, girl!  It's normal for me!  I'm now up to a
total of 5 - well, DH owns them , he's kind enough to let me use them!  I
tend to just sit and admire them for untold hours  - grin!

Oh, and y'all, I'm raising up another Fanatic. I took my 'new' FW table, and
my second best FW (the 'new' one is lacking a belt - no one here sells
them), and set one of my 7 yr olds up to sew her quilt by my machine.  The
greedy young-un kept muttering "Why can't it be MY table? I want it.  Why
won't you give it to me?"  ROFLOL!  The table is a bit short for me - I'm
5'9", but just about right for her.  

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 02:21:59 UT
Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 9/5/97

Hi Fellow Feathers-Would anyone be interested in trading some wonderful TY 
beanie babies for SM miscellaneous?  I also collect printed tablecloths, 
perfume bottles and compacts.  If you have anything you would like to trade 
e-mail me privately  
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:49:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/7/97

jCongrats on the new baby!  Yes, the motors sew for years and years and
then more years.  My FW was a christmas gift in  1937, when I was a mere
girl of 12.   That little gem has sew stitches to the moon and back, and only
last year did I have to have a new motor .   Was very fortunate to have a
repair man that truly knows the love a sewer has for their FW baby.  He found
a white motor and painted it black to match the rest of the machine.
like a dream.  I've made clothes for myself, my four boys, grandchildren and
how many quilts  that have been  pieced on it and even quilted.  So do enjoy
your baby and many happy years of stitches.
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:40:16
Subject: news far and away.

FW; just got first batch from printer, one left for merry old England, one
for wet old seattle, one for hot Florida. Hows that for a cross section. If
any one curious about my reference book, e mail me and I will attempt to
tell more. mike.
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/6/97
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:50:19 -0400

Could anyone help me out finding a set of Kenmore cams for an old Kenmore
model 158.152.  I tried calling Sears to find out that they have been
discontinued.  This machine is a mid sixties model and the cams are grey
double faced flat donut shaped cams with four oval holes through the
plastic to lock it into the cam mechanism.  I only have one and it has the
number 1102 stamped on it and then the cam number 2a and the other side has
2b for each stitch.  Any help would be appreciated.  
Thanks, Steve
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:35:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Godzilla Finish

What is a godzilla finish?
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:57:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Links about sewing

Hello All!

I found a web site, that if you want your site listed
and it is about sewing, you can list it there...the address:

Please come by my link site, to make sure that your link
is appropriately documented!! Thanks!
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Wanted


  Does anyone out there have a Zig Zagger for sale, part 161157?  I am
looking for that particular one, if anyone has one to sell.


Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:00:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:  Think Oval! 

Thanks to Sharon for her posting about finding an oval-topped  FW
cabinet! Somehow her story stuck with me....I started looking twice at oval
tables. Found one with an oval top at an antique shop, called my local FW
expert Frank Pocillo, and from his explanation of what a Featherweight
cabinet looked like, this clearly wasn't it....Last Sunday I went to the
local flea market, and I see ANOTHER oval tabletop; on a beautiful little
cherrywood cabinet....open it up, and like Ms. Reese said, there are
spool-pins on the door; the bottom shelf folds in, so your knees can tuck
under, just like Frank said. Sure enough. In an attempt to be casual, I ask
the dealer how much. $40. I didn't bargain, I was shaking too hard! The
lesson that I have learned from you all: Keeping looking, this stuff is out
there! (there's a picture of this cabinet in the Johnson Srebro book, too). 
BTW, my friend Frank, who is 83 years young, has about a half dozen black FWs
for sale...he's even fixing up a tan one he found at the same flea market .
He's a crack SM mechanic. All his machines purr like kittens (when he's done
with them), and he makes the cases gorgeous, too, fixing tears, painting,
even "reupholstering" the insides, fixing up hinges and latches, etc. (he had
a shoe shop for 30 years).  He prices them (SM and case, all restored) at
under $400. He also has a couple of whites FWs that are sort-of for sale (he
harbors a purist's  contempt for them because of the belt drive, but he fixed
up mine so it sews like a dream---he tends to talk callers OUT of buying
them, but he's willing to sell them to collectors who know of their "flaws".
The guy's a purist.) . He's NOT online, and I'm not sure whether he's willing
to ship, he does his business in person...but if you live near Arcadia,
California, (outside of LA) and/or are otherwise interested, email me and I
will be happy to give you his phone number. He's a very fine person. He also
has an amazing collection of other antique SMs to gaze at, but I doubt if
they're for sale....I have no financial interest in him, except that I want
to give him all my money! He gave me permission to post this. Happy hunting!
Subject: seeking assistance and wish list 
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:20:07 -0900

Greetings Featherweight Fans,

I am so glad for the help and support of singer collectors and quilters. I
have learned so much since I have subscribe to this group. I really enjoy
collecting, talking to collectors and staying up all night restoring my
machines and the best is creating art with my old machines. There is a lot
of pride to create something with an older singer. Once again I am seeking
some assistance in gaining more knowledge of sm.

Question One:
I have collect a few machines in the past few months. Singer 66's, 101 and 128.
I called Singer Customer service to find out which 66 model I have and the
128, too, but they could not help me. I see postings for 128-3 and 128-23
parts and manuals. But, I don't know if these are items are for my machine
or not.

The question, is there a book or descriptive digest that explains which
exact model I have?

Question Two: I have 3 different ornate decals on my machines, I just found
out that one is called a red eye by surfing on the web sites. How do I find
out the names of the other decals. Once again is there a book or guide to
help me with these identifications?

A wish list:

These items I am looking for my sm wish list. I hope someone may have a few
of these items in your collection for sale.

1. old metal 66 bobbins, they are narrow (1920-30's era)

3. a condition 8+,9 base plate for a 101 singer, (with small gold
chain-like decal- era 1928)

4. original manuals for a 101 (1928 era), 128 (1919 era) singer.

5. original (1)chrome needle plate and (2)bobbin plates for a 66 singer.
(era 1928 & 41)
*Please don't tell me to order from a local singer dealer, the new ones
are too thick and get caught on
the fabric while sewing.

6. big old wooden spools of thread

7. foot attachments for singer 66, 101, 128 and genie machines

Please email me it you have any of these items. Thank you for your time.

Subject: 1200-1

Dear FWF's:
My friend Sadie has a 1200-1 Singer.  It's in the original cabinet (she
thinks) .  She let me borrow the manual and the attachments (still in the
original green box), to try on my FW.  All the part nos. match the
attachments I found listed for my FW.  But the curious thing is the drawer
on the top left  of the cabinet has what looks like a  pencil holder on the
side and in the front of the drawer is a small built in box with a hole
drilled in it and it has a marble down in there -- she never knew what it
was for  -- I told her I would ask, does anyone know?

The attachments are going to take a little practice!  Has anyone has success
with the hemmer and the adjustable hemmer?    

In stitches, Patti
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:37:54 -0500
Subject: sights

I am going to be in Yuma Arizona the middle of Oct.  Do any of you
feathers know any good antique places?  I would even be willing to bring
home a little unwanted FW if anyone has one to sell.
Thanks for sharing any info. about Yuma if you have any.
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 08:27:38 -0800
Subject: Old sewing machines

I have become, mostly by chance, an old sewing machine collector.  My
daughter recently obtained a Moose Sewing machine.  I have no
information on this type.  Do you, or can you direct me to a source?


Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:51:43 -0400
Subject: buying one

I want to buy a Singer Featherweight for my grandmother's 80th birthday.
Do you know where I can find one?  
Thank you.
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:23:10 -0500
Subject: FW

Hi all,
	I just joined the digest because.......My husband went to an auction
this weekend and came home with a "mint green featherweight"!  So far, I
have found that it was made in Scotland, some time between 1968 and
1970.  Does anyone know anything else about these machines or where I
can find out more information?
	It is in mint condition - no scratches or dings.  Labels are still
attached.  My husband cleaned it up and it runs smoothly and quietly. 
The case is even green.
	All I wanted was something to take on the air plane when I travel and I
get this lovely "rare" model that I am afraid to sew on.  What a husband
I have !!!
	Any information on this machine would be grately appreciated.
Thank you.              Janet 
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:27:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Information on a Davis treadle

Hi! I have enjoyed reading about all the exciting lives everyone leads out
there.  I dream of a day when I will find such treasures.    I asked about my
treadle machine a while back and received some help.  I know for sure my
"Norleigh Diamond" treadle machine was manufactured by Davis.  I think after
l900.  I want to share a little more information and see if there are some
experts out there who could give me a nudge in the right direction to find
out the year.  It has a sort of bullet shaped shuttle that goes in an arc
under the needle.  The only numbers on it are on the plate that covers the
shuttle.  There is a chart of needle sizes and thread sizes, and this number
"18 313 87"  Could anybody help me or tell me where I could possibly research
for myself.  Thank you so much.

Johnnie L
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:13:15 -0400
Subject: Wilcox and Gibbs machines

Dear Folks:
    I have a friend that has a Wilcox and Gibbs sewing machine, It is
complete with the original treadle table and a very fancy cover box
which has a curved or bent front and rear panel. It has one drawer and
the key to the cover. The machine does not have the large lettering
"Wilcox and Gibbs on the front, It has instead, flowers and such painted
on it. all of which seem to be original.very delicate and well done. and
worn. The machine is complete and working. The number 220487 is engraved
under it. could you tell me about how old it is? and if possible the
approximate value it would have , considering it to be in fine shape?
    I would appreciate any information you could give me as he is trying
to sell it to me.
Yours truly,
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:17:08 -0700
Subject: Black Buttonholer Case

To Andrea, Sharon, and Elaine	

I also have the black buttonholer in the black plastic case.  Mine has 5
cams, throat plate cover, two screws, and the instruction book.  The
part number on the buttonholer and the instruction book says it is
160506. The instruction book has a copyright of 1948 and 5 cams are
pictured with the buttonholer.  My DH bought a 66 without the cabinet at
a rummage sale for $20.00 and this was included.  So now there are four,
anyone else have one?

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:11:56 -0500
Subject: singer model 403A

I am looking for an original boxed set of sewing feet for my Singer
machine model 403A.  I am also trying to find a copy of an original
manual.  I have ordered a xeroxed copy from singer since they no longer
print it but have not heard from tham in several weeks.  Any help you
can give me would be greatly appreciated!!!!!  I hate to buyt the feet
individually if I can get an original boxed set without any plastic
parts and also don't know which one s would fit my machine specifically.

Subject:  FW Tune Up Class
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:56:08 -0400

If you didn't sign up in advance check Booth # 416 - Pottstown Sewing and Crafts, for openings.

"Special Featherweight Refurbishing/Tune-Up Class"
At the Pennsylvania National Quilt Extravaganza IV, Fort Washington Expo Center, Fort Washington PA, ( Suburban Philadelphia )  9/12, 9/13, and 9/14/97.
Seminars will start at 12 noon each day. All students will receive the book "Featherweight 221, The Perfect Portable" by Nancy Johnson-Srebro and a parts kit which includes a lint brush, original design 221 belt, double lead cord, clear oil, singer lube, screwdrivers, sponge brush, gloves, light bulb, rubber feet, 10 Singer needles, black paint and spray sealer. The value of the kit is $ 75. The total cost of the seminar and kit is $ 75.

Call 215-326-5055 for reservations or questions. Ask for Ron or Barbara.

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:18:27 -0500
Subject: FW


I am looking for a FW and would like to subscribe to your list. Also,
I have a treadle New Home sewing machine that I would like to get a
new belt on, oiled and cleaned. My Great Aunt used this machine up until
the mid-seventies and I inherited it. If any of your subscribers in the
NW FL area know of someone who they would recommend for such work I
would be deeply indebted.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:51:02 -0500
Subject: All sorts of stuff...

Bob said:

> I called Singer & they say it is a  3VS made Apr.27,1892. Is it
> 3VS or VS3 ?


Actually, Singer almost consistently calls it a 3 V.S. when you call the
800-number, so it's undoubtedly listed that way in their records.  On
the other hand, I (and others) call it a V.S. #3 (or V.S. #2 for the
corresponding full-size machine) because that's what the manuals /
attachment boxes say.  (Actually, the manual will call it a Vibrating
Shuttle No. 3, so maybe we're just getting the abbreviation wrong!)

> The
> case has a solid piece of wood to the right of the machine with 2 
> holes about 3/4 in. in diameter, 1 front,1 back that line up with 
> the wheel as though for a treadle belt. All of the other cases of
> this type I have seen have a conpartment for att. ect. at this location.
> Did this case set on top of the rest of the machine with the treadle
> mechanism or what? Why would it be detachable from the rest of the 
> machine. If this is orginal, not something someone has made, is there
> a model number to the cabinet that belongs with it ?

This case arrangement is original, including the holes for the treadle
belt, and it's something you see in handcrank cases a lot during this
time period, Singer and non-Singer.  (Most of the handcranks I've seen
with the holes were English/European, but then again, most of the
handcranks I've seen were, also.)  I saw an L.O. Dietrich (German)
machine in this kind of case actually installed in the treadle table,
and there was a rectangular piece of molding that the bottom of the
portable base fit into to keep it from sliding.  Not so slick -- you'd
have to take apart and reattach the treadle belt every time you wanted
to take the portable part of the machine somewhere, but at least it gave
you an option!

I've never seen the Singer table like this, but I have no doubt it
exists.  I've also seen earlier Singer machines (New Family) with the
holes in the base, although the case was much different, so there is
probably more than one treadle base to accomodate hand-cranks.  If you
could find a V.S. #3 manual, it might give you the part number for the
table that went with it...

Cyndi said:

> I've been told by "an old Singer man" that machines before 1905 did not drop
> into the cabinet but had the box top or coffin top for them.  Does anyone
> have any pictures or descriptions of the cabinets that were available for the
> fiddle based machines?  I need to have an idea of what I'm looking
> for--another quest.

I've sent you a drawing from the V.S. #2 manual that shows a cabinet
that machine came in.  There were different kinds of cabinets, but this
might give you an idea...  The image doesn't show the breadbox-type lid
that went on top.  There are a couple of brass fittings in the table top
at the back of the machine, and one in front, to secure it.

Mary  said:

> The bit about the ladies getting hysterial and having problems with
> miscarriages and the like whilst using a "MACHINE" are sooo funny.  When
> the sewing machine companies decided they had to really target women to
> sell the machines to, they had a lot of bad propaganda to overcome;
> namely, that women lacked the intelligence to Operate Machines!!!

I came across a Groker and Baker booklet on microfilm a while back -- 
it was an ad for G&B machines, but the second half was a manual on the
various models.  The advertising in the front part made it quite clear
that EVEN A WOMAN could work this machine, it was so simple...

Of course, I remember when I first got into the computer business that
there was some feeling among some of the older men I worked with that
women would never be able to understand computers, either...

Capt. Dick said:

> Black singer, drop in bobbin, lever stitch control with reverse, nice
> hand crank, whole machine very stiff.   Little starburst decal in
> middle of bed I have never seen before.

I've seen one machine with the starburst decal, and it was also in good
condition, but it was on a model 15.  The serial number wasn't visible
(poor light and bad angle) so I couldn't see exactly how old it was.  I
was guessing 1930's...  I didn't buy it though -- the estate sale dealer
was quite proud of it, and wanted $275 for it...

Jody  said:

> I need a bigger house.  Someone posted recently about selling furniture
> to make room for SMs. I chuckled over that posting...but I may get to
> that point myself.  

Don't laugh -- it could happen to you!

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:49:06 -0400
Subject: The Challenge

Yesterday, I posted the following message:
> For those of you working on Challenge Entries:
> A National Quilt Show/Convention has expressed an interest in inviting
> participants in the Featherweight Fanatics challenge to show their
> quilts as a group at a Spring 1998 show!  That is, if we have enough
> entries, to be considered a challange by them.  I would like to know
> informally, how many of you are planning on submitting your quilt to our
> challenge, and if you have an opinion as to weather you would allow your
> quilt to be "out of your hands" for three weeks in late Spring, 1998. 
> Please post to the group if you are interested, and I will "tally" the
> numbers.  Participation in the show would not be manditory for those who
> participate in the Challenge, as far as I'm concerned - but would be
> fun!  
> Thanks in advance for your responses, please e-mail me privately should
> you have any questions.
> Linda Heminway
> New Windsor,  NY
> Also, I would assume shipping and entry costs would be your
> responsibility.

Just to clarify, I was told that this particular show does not have an
entry fee, the only costs you would have to assume are shipping to and
from the show!  That's all folks!
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:39:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Challenge

Assuming I actually finish my Challenge Quilt, I would be very excited to
have it displayed anywhere besides my own wall!

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:42:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: FW Cabinet

Is there a photo somewhere out there of a FW cabinet?  TIA

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:44:38 -0400
Subject: FW table please?

I'm looking for a FW table for a friend. If anyone has one would they please
email me.


Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:57:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/7/97

In a message dated 9/8/97 8:46:44 PM, you wrote:

>>Quite a few museums that I do restoration work for insist that any
replacements parts are made of plexiglas (perspex in the UK). This was a
researcher can he how the original was made but with no suggestion of
faking parts.

Graham >>

Graham--I didn't understand your paragraph on Plexiglas.  Either some words
are missing or I just haven't had enough coffee yet this morning.  Please
explain further.  Thanks.

Patti "Patch" Anderson--Yes, you are normal.  When I first got my FW and as I
walked down the hallway past my sewing room, I would stop in the doorway with
a mother-looking-at-a-sweet-sleeping-baby smile and look at my machine.  Now
that time as gone by, I seem to be more interested in acquiring the next one!

Subject: HELP!!
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:11:45 -0700

I am not a collector of Featherweights.  My sister, on the other hand
is.  I live in the Seattle, WA area and am looking for a FW for her as a
birthday gift (Sept. 30).  Obviously, it's a bit of a rush, but any info
on where to locate would be GREATLY appreciated. 

Thanks for your help
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:50:16 -0400
Subject: this-n-that

Well all it has been some time! Although I do read my digests regularly
time seems short so I don't often get to post.
Hi Suzy, Mari, Tracey, Graham................

I have managed to pick up a very pretty German hand crank most likely
from the late 1800s last week. She is quite beautiful and although a
probable clone of the Singer model 12,  I just had to bring her home! I
would love for others to check her out on my home page and let me know
if you've one looking like this and share. She has the most wonderful
Mother of Pearl inlays on the bed.Cut to flower shape and bits then
scattered about. Beautiful dainty  Fleur Di Lis decals and a porcelain
hand crank knob. The base is I believe mahogany? .......with what is
probably a ruler of inlaid  woods on the front edge. No numbers, just
lines of wood in different shades. This base also has 2 holes for a
treadle belt. Little plugs in them. No lid or does it look to ever have
had one. I have detailed photos up you can see.

Graham............did these bases fit into a special treadle top so as
to make use of those holes? Nice to be able to use it both ways if so.
There is no hardware for a box top to have been attached so I am
thinking this was part of a table set up??

She has her accessories and even needles in a nice little storage area
built into the top of wooden base. No rust anywhere and turns smooth and
nice. A well cared for and loved  sm for sure. Her bobbin case is of the
boat design and open on one side instead of closed like the Singer
Modles 28 or 27 etc. are. Charles was kind enough to fill me in on the
sewing action which is from left to right and not front to back. My
first! Made by Gritzner is on the silver metal plate located on the
arm.Durlock  mentioned as well. Sure looks complicated using  the bobbin
winder and I don't think I will even try it. Came with 2 extra shuttles
and needles. Thin and  totally round type.

I will scan a picture on my site for a model 27 puzzle box  attachments
manual, so those having one might be able to place the attachments in
their proper places.

Does this ever end?? After 2 years of hunting  I find myself as excited
about finding a new/old SM as the day I found my first! I am much
pickier now....... but  that is the ONLY difference.

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:06:58 -0400
Subject: New book

There is a new book out called "The Sewing Machine Guide : Tips on Choosing,
Buying, and Refurbishing" by John Giordano. Amazon says it's List price is :
$15.95 -- Our Price: $12.76 -- You Save: $3.19 (20%). I'm curious if it has
anything interesting to collectors. If anybody has bought this book, please
let those of us on FWF know what you thought of it!

Happy Featherweighting!
Subject: 'New' FW seems to want to pull...
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:06:29 -0700

Hi, After reading some of the archives and some of the more recent
comments, I just knew I had to have one too.  So, I scouted the local
dealers and found someone who had six.  Brought one of them home and have
been admiring it on the dining room table.

It sews a great stitch after I adjusted the tension correctly.  However, I
seem to have to guide the fabric a lot to make the seam straight.  Left on
its own, this FW seems to want to pull the fabric to the left... Do I have
a problem or does this happen just because it is an older machine?  If it
is a problem, is it something easy to fix?  Guess I am used to my Bernina
which seems to keep the fabric straight without much guidance.  Any help
would be appreciated.

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:00:31 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/9/97

To Moonsage, I thought your comments were great one the value of our
FW's.   Well put Shakespeare

My parents are enroute home next week from LA area to Mesa, AZ.  I often
see people asking where they should stop on their trips but I don't see
the answers.  So I hope SOMEONE will answer or at least e-mail me. 
Pretty please. Thanks,  Kathleen
Subject: RE: Random Thoughts
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:12:01 -0600

Hi All,

I never meant to start a collection on TSM's, but somehow in the last 
couple of months I have acquired 3 of them.  Now I could use a little help.

The first one I found is a Singer 20 Sewhandy, plate #373a in Glenda's 
book, the case is in really good condition, manual intact, even the clamp. 
 The only thing missing is the little seam gauge and screw.  Would someone 
have a source of where I might find one?  I love the way the case makes 
into a sewing table.

The second one  is a Singer Sewhandy 50 D, plate #377.  It runs really 
nice, but I cannot get it to make a stitch.  It did not come with a manual, 
so I'm not sure how the thing is threaded for sure, or how the needle goes 
in.  I've tried just about every way, but no luck.  Would any one have a 
manual or a copy of one?  Also the needle is in terrible shape, I know I 
need special needles for the toys, does any one have a source for these? 

The third one is a Singer Little Touch and Sew, plate #378.  After a lot of 
fiddling around, we got it to make a beautiful lock stitch.  It also came 
with everything, even an adapter.  Unfortunately the adapter is dead, DH 
who is an Electrical Engineer put his volt meter on it, and it is one dead 
duck.. Now for the dilemma.  He says he can just buy me a new one, but it 
wouldn't be an official Singer, or he can try to pry it apart (it is glued, 
and he's worried that it will probably crack) and replace the guts.  Does 
any one have any  ideas about this? Or options that we haven't thought 

Have had no luck with full size SM's, so I guess TSM's will have to fill my 

I also have a black buttonholer, it was the first one I ever found.  I 
assumed they were the norm until all I found later were the usual green and 
maroon.  I always thought that maybe the black ones were the first ones 

Moonsage, right on.  I agree completely.  I have a 503 Rocketeer in c9.5, 
paid $15.00  for it, what is it worth?  $15.00.  What could I sell it for? 
 Probably upward of $250.00   judging from the For Sale listings...would I? 
 Probably not   I also have a FW   AD series, one of the first with the 
bobbin winder on the front instead of on top.  What's it worth?  Probably 
around $300.00, what did I pay?   $600.00, it was worth it to me because I 
wanted  it.  It's all relative.

I have the following on my Wish List, can any one help me?

A power cord for a 201
A foot pedal and cord for a 401a
An original  manual for a 401a
One slide plate for a 66 red eye
A box of attachments for a 404
The little rubber feet for a 401a

Thanks  for reading such a long post
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:33:07 -0700
Subject: 15-91

My DH and I went to an auction last night and got a Singer 15-91 in the
Bentwood case.  Came with the green box of attachments, 5 bobbins and
has the knee lever for the control. Her birthday is 12-5-34. The power
cord has been replaced and there are numerous pin scratches on the bed
and the center decal is almost non-existant.  I would say the machine is
a condition 7 and the bentwood case is a condition 5.  The case has the
inside metal socket for the attachments, also on the inside attached to
the bolts of the handle is a spring and bracket that moves, can anyone
tell me what this is for.
The outside of the case needs to be sanded smooth and refinished but the
decal is in intact. I have oiled and cleaned the machine and she purrs,
has a real nice stitch and very quite.  She needs some new needles, can
I use the Schmetz needles for her?  She didn't come with a manual and I
would be interested in buying one or getting a copy if anyone has one
available. I used the diagram that I found on the net to get her oiled.
For those interested I paid $30.00 for it.

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 16:09:59 -0700
Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 9/8/97

I intend to enter several quilts, almost finished, and would be happy to relinquish them to a show where people would properly handle them.
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:26:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/9/97

Forgot to tell you I also bought a Betsy Ross Toy Sewing Machine, it is
really cute and works great.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:55:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Kenmore Cams

In a message dated 97-09-10 12:57:06 EDT, you write:

>> Could anyone help me out finding a set of Kenmore cams
for an old Kenmore model 158.152>>

I think that I might have the Kenmore cams you are looking for. They are
gray, about 2 inches across with four oval shaped holes. The center hole is
about 1/2 inch across. Some of them are double layered and some of them are
single.  I have no idea what Kenmore they are for. There is no model number
anywhere that I can find on them or the cases.
They were in a box of cams for many different machines sold as a box lot.
They have a storage case that says Accessories, buttonholer & pattern cams.
There is another storage case with it that says Accessories and Buttonholer.
If you are interested let me know.

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:31:32 -0400
Subject: Last call for Ft. Washington Quilt Show (Sat. 9/13) 

Hi All!

Just a last minute reminder to any FWFs who will be attending the Ft.
Washington, PA Quilt Show on Saturday Sept. 13th:  

There are now five of us who will be meeting at 1pm by the Ladies
restroom located in the right rear corner of the lobby before the doors
to the main convention hall.   We're hoping that anyone else that will be
there on that day can join us too.  Just look for a bunch of us looking
for each other and don't be afraid to ask - no one is really sure what
anyone looks like!  Then we're planning on having lunch together (I've
been told that there are two fast food "restaurants" in the convention
hall or you can pack your own) and exchanging sm stories, etc.

Looking forward to meeting you all!

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/8/97
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:10:47 +0100

To all re insurance

I've done quite a few valuations on collections in the USA and  have dealt
with many insurance companies. Most have told me that  unless supported by
acknowledged expert opinion and specifically documented, old sewing
machines will simply be regarded as secondhand items with little
replacement value.

But do not panic. The average thief is going to walk straight past your
sewing machines on his way to the VCR, lat-top and TV set.

At ISMACS we do not publish lists of members and address. With many
collections worth tens of thousands of dollars we have been advised that
publicising the location of  a  collection would be tantamount to failing
to take proper care and precaution and possibiliy invalidating insurance.

To Megan

No change to the ISMACS URL.

There may have been a problem for a couple of days. Please try again


Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:30:11 -0400
Subject: 201, manual, cabinets

Dear Feathers---

I am coming out of lurkdom to report that the freebie SM my DH brought back
from NJ is a 201!  I didn't know what it was but it wasn't like any of the
others that I have.  One day I waited for 70min. on the Singer 800 # and
never did get through.    Thank goodness for portable phones!  This week
when I called I didn't have to wait at all!!!  Anyway, I need a manual for
this 201 if someone can help me with this.  I seem to remember reading on
FWF that the feed dogs drop on this machine.  Will the manual show me how
to do this?  It is also in a nice cabinet and has a serial # .  Is there a
booklet that tells about all of the different cabinets?  The 3 that I have
are all different!  

Still looking for that bargain FW!

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/8/97 - Black Buttonholer Case - #4
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:47:43 -0700

I also have one of the black-case buttonholers.  Same as Elaine describes. 
Anyone else?  
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:54:38, -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics 9/9/97

Hi FWFers:  Did anyone see Carter Bays on TV today?  He was a "super 
collector" on the show called Personal FX.  He had quite a few of 
really old machines but he gave value on some that sounded 
astronomical to me.
Subject: Love reading all about FW
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:07:03 -0400

To all of the FW collectors-
    I am new at this,  but I have found the information on the FW so
interesting.  I learn from the questions everyone asks.  I would like to
know how this got started.  I still do not own a FW but I hope to someday. 
Thanks, Karen 
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:17:06 -0700
Subject: "new" treadle won't form stitch

 To  Pam :

A couple of things to try:
1.  turn the needle around.  If the needle is in backwards, the tip of the
shuttle won't catch the thread loop, because the thread is lying in the
long groove on the needle rather than being thrown out to the side by the
short groove.
2.  lower the needle slightly in the needle clamp.  Turn the balance wheel
SLOWLY by hand to make sure that nothing  jams, and see if the shuttle will
go through the loop.  I've found that for  my older machines (1870's) the
needles are not standard lengths and the eye is not always the same
distance from the point of the needle, so they need to be adjusted for "eye
position".  Depending on the age of the machine, you may have a machine
that takes a slightly longer needle, or one that needs to have the eye
positioned a little lower.

Katrina in Loomis, the eggplant capital of Northern California.

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:23:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/9/97

Found my White Featherweight at last!  I went to an auction on Labor Day and
they had a white one and a black one.  When it was time to bid on them they
put them both together,  so you could take one or both for what every price
they went to.  I was really surprised when I got them for only $300.00 each.
 There was a man there with a patch on his shirt that  Toy Sewing Machine Co.
 I though sure he would want them, and he did bid but didn't go any further
than $300.  I really only wanted the white one but my DH was with me,  he was
behind me saying take them both.  So I did, don't know where money for the
property taxes are coming from, but we have money to by another
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/6/97
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:56:57 +0100

To Jo Ann

Your Willcox and Gibbs  A 380333 was made in  1888 (give or take a year, my
records are confused at this point). Yes manual available. Mail me.

Changes of finding the spool pin are pretty remote -- it's the part that
always goes missing.

To Sharon

There's a Jones history either up on the ISMACS web site or coming up shortly.

Company was the largest English manufacturer , eventually sold out to
Brother who promptly junked all the archives (that was before ISMACS) so I
can't help you with numbers and dates.

Price the Family CS the same as a Singer  66

To Lisa

Check that nothing is increasing the tension on the lower thread and making
you have to compensate

To Rita re modern motors

If these motors are the basic fit anything models from the far east, I was
not very impressed. They are very cheap and cheerful, don't fit the FW
properly and, knowing the trade price in the USA, I think $50 is a lot of

Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/7/97
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:57:07 +0100

To Ann-Maree

You should have got a list of all available sewing machine books bothe in
and out of print as part of the ISMACS starter kit when you joined.

If we fouled up here mail me and I get one off to you.

To Audrey re e-bay

I've given up with "vintage sewing" and just use "sewing machine" as a
search factor. It picks up a couple of modern models but I trhink it's

To Sue re books

See posting above.

That S.  book -- what good is a picture is the caption is all wrong?

There is a book on domestic machines with pictures just like the Thomas
book on toys. It also has accurate historical data and an indication of how
desirable and how rare each machine is. It has over 2000 pictures of
machines from 1855 to 1965.

It's sitting in three 2 meg hard discs on a shelf in my office waiting for
me to finish the last couple of chapters and find a publisher who will
produce it without a price guide which they all want and I refuse to

To Chichi re Improved Belvidere

This was made by the National Sewing Machine Co

To  Ann re 28K

Can get a little closer for you. Your machine was made September 1900. Fot
the record the P series ran from July 2 1900 to December 1901

To The Schumans

The Rugby was made by both the Free and the Davis companies

To Ted

Can supply a copy manual. Mail me. Belting is available at any large sewing
machine outlet.

To Kathleen re 329 K

This was a standard straight stitch machine make between 1963 and 67.

Subject: My new 301
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:21:40 -0400

I'm a BIG fan of the 301 machines and so was very pleased to find one
in its triangular cabinet (!!) at a thrift store the other day for
$30!! I haven't tried it out yet, but it looks like it's in really
good shape and I DO like the style of the cabinet: the top swings out
kind of to the side towards you for sewing rather than parallel to
the top. Too bad it's blond with metal tips on the legs, but guess
that was the fashion then (and it IS growing on me!). Also wanted to
share with you some info I found in a 1955 ad directed at teenage
sewers. It pictured a model 99 for $119.95, a FW for $169.50, and the
301 for $227.50 - sure makes my $30 price seem even better!! By the
way, do any of you know if the two tone 301s came in a long bed
version? And I also wondered if others had two tone machines that had
NA serial numbers - both of mine are NB, which seems to make sense
since I think they were later models. Sue 
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:34:26, -0500
Subject: #3VS

I have just acquired a handcrank Singer. I called the Singer # and was
told it is a #3VS from May 6, 1893. I have no experience with a hand
crank machine, or with a shuttle bobbin. The machine is in pretty bad
shape, but I would at least like to know how it is supposed to work even
if I can never get it working. If anyone could make a copy of a manual
I'd be thrilled (and of course willing to pay costs and postage). Any
other information about this machine is greatly appreciated.

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:07:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Singer Sew Handy Model 20 ??

I have the opportunity buy the above machine, but it is missing the bobbin
and maybe the bobbin case, as well as the instruction book.

Do you know sources for these missing pieces?
What would be a good price to pay as is?

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:22:46 -0400
Subject: No more web page :(

Hello Fellow Feathers,

Our departure to France is getting closer all the time. As such, we are
switching servers. 

However, we will probably be offline from the beginning of October to
the beginning to mid November while waiting for our sipment to arrive in
France. I want to keep the digest until the last possible moment so I
won't drop out of sight quite yet.

The web page is another story. Unfortunately, the phone rates being what
they are in France, it just isn't feasible to maintain our web page and
so it will be disappearing soon. If anyone would like to visit Katy's
Korner before it is gone, the address is:


My great dilemna over the next few days is deciding which
machines/attachments/parts to take and which will have to go to storage.
So far the field is narrowed to:  my beloved 201 in a cabinet (not the
prettiest cosmetically but a genuine workhorse), the FW w/card table (of
course), 401 for the occasional hemming and ZZ needs, 99 handcrank with
the combination table (will look great in the front hall), and  two 301s
( the black is a shortbed and the one I prefer but the tan is a long bed
and has a card table). Oh yes, then there is the 201K, definitely has
seen some use and abuse but sews great. I'm taking this one because I am
on a one woman crusade to get quilting converts and someone might need a
machine to borrow.  I realize to the average person 7 SMs sounds
excessive but I find this really cramps my style. 

How about suggestions as to which parts to take? Anyone know of any
Singer dealers in France? I'd love to find a little French FW to bring
home, perhaps a free arm....Am I dreaming? I understand near our house
in Chatou, there is a great flea/antique market twice a year. We can
ship back 10% more per year that we are there so I am taking a couch I
can leave. I wonder how many SMs it takes to equal the weight of a

Take care, Katy
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:38:38 -0400
Subject: Singer 66 Treadle

Hi feathers,
I am wondering how to improve the speed on my treadle singer 66.  It
does a wonderful stitch but it sews very slowly although I am pedalling
very quickly.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I don't have a manual yet
and perhaps I don't have the bobbin winding mechanism in the correct
position.  I also wonder if the large screw to the left of the bobbn
winder is how to shorten the stitch length.  The machine sews such a
pretty stitch, but I bit long.
Thanks for your help,
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:11:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Questions

Becki said:

> Question Two: I have 3 different ornate decals on my machines, I just
> found out that one is called a red eye by surfing on the web sites. How
> do I find out the names of the other decals. Once again is there a book
> or guide to help me with these identifications?

There's not one place where you can go look up the decal sets used on
Singer machines.  Some of them are more common, like your "red-eye", which
I think is also called a "persimmon" design, and the Egyptian decal set,
with the Sphinx in the middle of the bed and the front of the arm (I've
been told this design is also called "Memphis" after the city in Egypt.) 
You might luck out some time and find a Singer ad that describes a
particular decal design, but I think that's as close to "official" as
you're going to get!

As we collectors run across machines and try to describe them, we end up
finding ways that other people will understand.  There's a decal design
that was used in the 60's, a very simple gold design, that I've heard some
people call the "paperclip" pattern -- and I knew exactly what they meant
when they said it!  There are some that are more rare -- like the
"peacock" decal set -- but if you ever see it, you'll know what we were
talking about.

If you take a close look at the face plate of your machines, you may
notice that the design on the face plate goes with the design of the gold
decals.  Some of the later machines just have a striped face plate (to go
with the simpler designs, like the "paperclip") but the earlier machines
have scrolled patterns that often follow the same lines as the decorations
on the bed.  (I've heard some people refer recently to "egyptian" face
plates on their machines, like the early featherweights -- I don't know
exactly what this means, but I don't think it means that the design goes
with the Egyptian or Sphinx decal set.  I've also heard the early
featherweight face plates described as "scrolled" -- that makes more
sense to me.)

Anyway, if you want to know what other collectors call the designs on your
machines, just describe them to us!

> These items I am looking for my sm wish list. I hope someone may have a
> few of these items in your collection for sale.
> 1. old metal 66 bobbins, they are narrow (1920-30's era)

Go to a local fabric store and look at the bobbins they have for sale.
Class 66 bobbins (the ones you need) are probably the second most common
kind of bobbin sold in the US (the most common being the class 15, which
fits Singer model 15 machines, as well as a vast number of other machines
made since 1950!)  They come in plastic or metal; Singer sells them both
ways, and so do a lot of other companies.  I find them easily at Cloth
World (same thing as JoAnn's in other parts of the country, I believe) and
at Hancock's, as well as a good number of quilt stores.  I'm not fond of
the plastic ones (although I guess it is convenient to be able to see how
much bobbin thread you've got left!) so I usually get the metal ones.

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 08:20:53 PDT
Subject: Wheeler & Wilson

I bought a Wheeler and Wilson treadle machine yesterday and I have several
questions that maybe you can help me with.  I was very excited to see the
manual and original box of attachments with the machine.  When I got it
home and started looking everything over,  I found that several places in
the manual didn't match my machine.  Both the machine and the manual are
a No. 9.  For example, the manual describes removing and replacing the
bobbin case by use of a latch.  My machine doesn't have a latch.  Rather it has
a large metal apparatus that unscrews and shifts left or right to hold the
bobbin case in place.  I found that it needs to not be pushed up against the
bobbin case but needs to leave a little room so the needle thread has room to
travel around the bobbin case.  This is rather noisy with the bobbin case
bouncing around.  

Also, the attachment manual doesn't talk about all the attachments I have.
It shows several feet that push up into a slot then screw down.  I have
one foot like this then another which seems to be an adaptor.  The adaptor
foot attaches to the foot in the same manner.  Then several other feet 
appear to connect to this adapter.  The adapter has a U shaped bottom and the 
feet seem to fit in this U then latch around back.  I can't figure out how to 
really attach these feet as they don't just slide in.  The fit is very tight.
The attachment manual makes no mention at all of this.

My questions:

Has anyone else found this machine/manual mismatch?  Where the manuals sold
separately?  (Mine says it cost 5 cents.)

Is there a trick to getting the bobbin case secure so it doesn't rattle around
but still lets the needle thread feed?

How do the feet attach to the adaptor?

Is there a source for needles to fit this machine?  Sincere book says they're
a type EE needle and Wheeler and Wilson is the only machine using an EE.  Do
any other needles work?

Is there any way to date this machine?  I can't find a serial number on the
machine base but the slide by the needle hole says 124276.

Any info you may have will be greatly appreciated.

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:48:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:Your New Baby

Greetings Fellow Feathers...

     I, too, am a new and extremely proud owner of a FW Centennial!  My
hubby, son, and I, while vacationing, drove to Arkansas and bought it from a
wonderful lady who also collects them.  I was excited to see it and I wasn't
disappointed either.  It's so beautiful that I have it sitting in my dining
room where I just stare at it sometimes not really believing that I really
have  one!  I haven't even used it yet!!  Runs like a charm as Becky took the
time to show me everything about it plus showing me how to oil it!!  I am now
in the process of purchasing the "card table" for my FW from her!  I can't
wait to get it!  If anyone has the opportunity to buy a FW from Becky
Sunderman,  I highly recommend her.  She's a wonderful lady.  We're from
Illinois and so happy to know we've made a lasting friend in Arkansas!!  Oh
yes, I also have the case (in excellent condition) plus all the attachments!
 I love it, love it, love it!!!

Sue L.
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:45:40, -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/9/97

  Having recently aquired my 2nd fw...I discover that the new machine sews
considerably faster than my original.  I always thought that my machine was
a bit slow, but thought it was just that that was the nature of fw's!  It
was made in '52 and the newer one in '55,...if that makes a difference.
  I tested them using the same foot pedal on each.  The only major?
difference I can see is that the '52 has the tan/gold belt and the '55 has
a black one.
  Am I missing something obvious?  An adjustment in my pokey machine, or ?
  Can anyone tell me WHY one would be slower than the other?  Is the older
machine just more tired???  g...
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:26:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: More On The Gritzner

Hey again!

I just wanted to let everyone know that the shuttle from my 128 does indeed
fit my Gritzner treadle.  I found out what I was doing wrong - I was trying
to sew forward while the machine was set in reverse.  Yes - reverse!  I've
never seen such a thing, but there it is, plain as day.  The stitch length
lever has "0" in the middle, and then "2-6" on each side of the zero.  It
also has a "b" with an arrow on the top, and an "f" with an arrow on the
bottom.  I've taken it for a test run, and it does indeed go backwards and
forwards!  I suppose if I had read the manual, I would have known this.  It
clearly tells you how to operate the machine with this "special" feature.

Now that I'm done doing the "DUH" dance, this machine purrs right along.  The
stitch formation is beautiful, and it treadles very smoothly.  All I have to
do now is oil Rose up and play with the tension to get the correct balance,
and I'm all set.  I'm SO excited!!  I almost feel like a sewing machine
repair woman (LOL).

Just wanted to share this with all of you!

Pam where my neighbors are wondering what that strange
whooping and hollering from my house is :)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:52:19 -0600
Subject: New FW Quilt Pattern

I just wanted to let people know that they can now see another FW quilt
pattern at Cynthia England's new web site.  


It looks great.  Give it a try.  This is the closest thing there is to a
photo of a FW in fabric.  

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:58:16 -0500
Subject: Singer Sewing Machine Print

I just have to tell you all about a beautiful new art print I have
discovered.  It is available through SOUDERS FINE ART and the phone # is

I am not affiliated in any way and discovered this in a flyer that came with
a book I ordered that was printed to teach machine embroidery techniques to
people like me who also have expensive home embroidery machines.

The print is called "Stitch in Time" and is 6" x20" is shows a pristine
condition Singer handcrank and and old dress on a dress form in an old
stripped out home.  Its hard to describe but it is really striking and I
ordered it imediately upon seeing it and thought some of you would like it
as well.

I don't know if the Singer is an actual model or is just representative of
the era but it is pretty!

When I ordered I told them I was going to post the info to this board so if
you call tell them you are a Featherweight Fanatic!!

By the way the other prints in the flyer are all sort of nostalgic
renditions of Victorian homes and old general stores and there is also an
old phonograph print called "Sounds of Silence" if you are interested!

I just wanted to give you the opportunity to check this out.

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:08:28 -0500
Subject: Singer Print

Forgot to mention the print is only $20 unframed and only $95.00 framed and

Can't beat that!

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:22:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Famous Buttonholer


  I stopped at an antique store on my way home this afternoon, and there was
a box marked "Famous Buttonholer"  I snatched it up and looked inside -
buttonholer, manual, shiny throatplate, and a knife thing for cutting the
buttonholes open.  I was going to get it, but when I looked at the outside of
the box it said "White Rotary C".  Since I don't have anything but Singers, I
put it back.  It was only $5.00, though.  If anyone wants me to pick it up
and mail it to them, just let me know!

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 13:01:47 +0000
Subject: Singer 128 part


I am coming out of lurk mode to ask a question.  I bought a 128 a few 
months ago (portable) that was in great shape (probably an 8.5) but did 
not work.  After much searching (and patience) I found a bobbin case, but 
unfortunately the ceramic rheostat was beyond repair.  As a patch, I had 
the service people put a foot pedal on it so I could actually sew on it, 
but I would really rather return it to it's original condition with the 
kneebar.  Might anyone out there have a rheostat to sell or know where I 
might be able to find one?  I have the kneebar, all I need is to replace 
the rheostat.

It sews GREAT!

Thanks for any suggestions!

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:13:26, -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics 9/10/97

Hi Feathers:  Quite some time ago I read on the digest about someone 
working on making up decals for the FW that would be for sale.  Does 
anyone know who it was - and are decals available.  Have a FW that I 
would like to completely repaint (maybe red) and would like decals 
for it.

Subject: Cabinet question

Hello FWF's
I asked a question on 9/9/97 does anyone know the answer?  My friend has a
1200-1 Singer in a very old cabinet.  In the cabinet's top left drawer is
what I think is a pencil box along the left side, and beside that on the
front of the drawer is a box-like piece that has a black plastic circular
"thing" with a hole drilled in it and it has a marble down in it -- anyone
know what this was for?  She says as far as she knows the marble was in
there when she got it.  Her hubby thinks that you were to place your spool
under it and the marble was to keep the thread in place, ready to use when
it was needed.  What do you think?

Subject: Cabinet question

Hello FWF's
I asked a question on 9/9/97 does anyone know the answer?  My friend has a
1200-1 Singer in a very old cabinet.  In the cabinet's top left drawer is
what I think is a pencil box along the left side, and beside that on the
front of the drawer is a box-like piece that has a black plastic circular
"thing" with a hole drilled in it and it has a marble down in it -- anyone
know what this was for?  She says as far as she knows the marble was in
there when she got it.  Her hubby thinks that you were to place your spool
under it and the marble was to keep the thread in place, ready to use when
it was needed.  What do you think?

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:43:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Setting a value for insurance


To set the value for insurance you MUST have a professional appraisal done.
 They will then insure them under the same type of insurance as antiques and
art.  Not cheap and the item(s) would have to be of considerable value.  The
prices set by anyone who has not seen the machines and done the correct
photos attached to the appraisal would not be considred a base for the
insurer to pay if there were damages.  With the exception of Graham I do not
think that any of us are qualified to be giving you a value for insurance.
 Graham could not until he physically sees the machines.  Unless they were of
the type that are rare and a true antique the value is not worth the cost to
get the insurance.  Ask your agent about all that is involved....I know the
process well as I do have antiques that are insured.  None of them are sewing

This is a meeting place to share (OK brag) about our new finds.  That is all.
 We help each other locate parts and learn about the history of the mahcines.
 Most of the machines discussed here are under $1000...way under.  But we
still love them.  We are not in one area, or continent for that matter so the
prices would vary a lot.  That is why we discuss what we paid not what they
are worth.  It is like fishing....

To all the classic people who knew (2) what Lydia Pinkham Tonic was...

I took it when I was young and mom swore by it.  It really made you feel
good...with all the alcohol....and I was raised in the buckel of the bible
belt.  The dear ladies did not know that a good shot of demon rum was just as
good!!!  Did not know about the baby per bottle or mom would not have given
it to me.  LOL   Graham we will not bug you about drinking if you take

Blessed Be
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:33:59 -0700
Subject: Lost Mail

To any FWF who tryed to respond to my For Sales,I have been having 
trouble receiving some mail. Please try again.
Subject: Re: black buttonholer
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 07:56:36 -0500

To Andrea, Sharon, and Elaine	and Kris

I, too, have the black buttonholer in the black plaxtic case. It's a 
rectangular case with a button/snap closing, right?  And a godzilla-like 
texture? With S I N G E R embossed on the top?

Mine has no instruction book, but has 8 cams and the throat plate cover. 
Part number is alos 160506, just like you've reported.  There's one screw 
for the throat place cover, and another for I-don't-know-what, but it's a 
very dark brown plastic, and is stored in a hole along the side of the 
case, with 4 of the cams.

I got mine from a friend who was moving. She took her FW with her :( but 
sent me this, saying that she never could get it to work.  I haven't 
tried yet, since I rarely do buttonholes on my FW (for THAT I prefer my 

I have another buttonholer in a similar case, but the case is green.  
This buttonholer is also black (though I think in both cases, the color 
is actually a very very dark brown).  Same part number.  Four cams, 
throat plate cover, and two screws (both metal).  No instruction book.  I 
got this one for 25 cents, I think. At the same place I bought a 
Montgomery Ward buttonholer, a green cardboard box marked "rotary 
attachments" which contains odds and ends of Greist items, and a dark red 
cardboard box marked "Greist Decorative Zigzagger."  Haven't tried a 
single one of them yet. The zigzagger is obviously made of Bakelite, and 
I wonder if the buttonholers might be Bakelite, as well, rather than 
That would add a whole 'nother dimension of collectibility!

Subject: Challenge
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:03:55 +0000

I have no problem with letting my "challenge" quilt go for three weeks.  But
I need a headsup as I haven't put a hanger sleeve on this one.  It will end
up as a baby gift to someone, eventually.

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:13:31 -0700
Subject: 337

Hi All. Whom can tell me which way the needle goes in in a 337? Does the
flat part go to the back, and threads from front to back?  
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:58:57 -0400
Subject: General

Hi All, I went to the Pennsylvania National Quilt Extravaganza today
what a wonderful show. Lots of beautiful quilts on display. I'll tell ya
it really inspires me to sew everytime I come home after a show. There
were of course lots of FW's for sale the prices seem to be getting high
on them. I worked the show 3 & 4 yrs. ago and then you could get a
decent FW for 275.00 I didn't see any for under 400.00 today. A white
one was priced at 650.00. My mom and a friend came along we had fun and
came home with lots of goodies including the new FW book by NJS and the
new Toy and Miniature sew. mach. book by Glenda Thomas and 3 others and
fabric can't have too much fabric!!!!!! Looking forward to next years
show!! frish
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:24:19 -0400
Subject: good holiday

i was out of town and seeing my birthday was this week my dh said we
could stop at any flea market or antique store i wanted to. well i came
home with 2 puzzel boxes  every thing there except bobbins one even had
a pack of needles for a rotary sm from england .a singer oil bottle
asinger oil can .a hand crank for my white sm. key for my fw case and
nancy johnson-srebros new book.and alot of other goodies. i also saw a
coats spool cabinet beautiful but at 495.canadian i left it there.maybe
another time .lot of sm and so many tables made out of threadle bases
what a shame some of the tables was so poorly
made.                                            evelene
Subject: Re: 15-91
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 09:55:49 -0500

The Schmetz needles will work better than the new Singer needles on the
model 15. Also, I'm hopefully going to receive a 15-91
manual soon to go with my centennial 15-91 (ARC half price special, $32.00).
In the meantime I used the manual for my Mom's
1948 15-88 to oil the thing. 

I've got most of the part of the manual on the attachments on my sewing page
if you are interested.


"My DH and I went to an auction last night and got a Singer 15-91 in the
Bentwood case.  Came with the green box of attachments, 5 bobbins and has
the knee lever for the control. Her birthday is 12-5-34. The power cord has
been replaced and there are numerous pin scratches on the bed and the center
decal is almost non-existant.  I would say the machine is a condition 7 and
the bentwood case is a condition 5.  The case has the inside metal socket
for the attachments, also on the inside attached to the bolts of the handle
is a spring and bracket that moves, can anyone tell me what this is for. The
outside of the case needs to be sanded smooth and refinished but the decal
is in intact. I have oiled and cleaned the machine and she purrs, has a real
nice stitch and very quite.  She needs some new needles, can I use the
Schmetz needles for her?  She didn't come with a manual and I would be
interested in buying one or getting a copy if anyone has one available. I
used the diagram that I found on the net to get her oiled. For those
interested I paid $30.00 for it.

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:42:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: sew gem machine

I got a machine at a garage sale for $10.00, it is called a sewgem. I wonder
if any one can tell me who made this machine . It has a complete set of
Greist attatchments and a buttonholer that looks just like Singers except  it
is brown.  THe machine has a cocoa brown godzilla finish and chrome  fly
wheel and face plate.  It is really nice and sews well.  THe instruction
booklet says it is made by the Gellman company in Rock Island ILL, any one
know any thing about them... thanks    Roseann 
Subject: wish list
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:02:55 -0900

Thank you to all that have responded to my wish list of singer parts. The
replies were wonderful. I have all the 4 manuals now, but I still need help
finding bobbin and needle plates from original machines. The new ones
plates do not fit!


1 needle and bobbin plate for a godzilla 1941 66 singer.

2 bobbin plate for a red eye 1921 singer

3. narrow metal bobbins for my red eye 1921 singer

Thank you for your assistance in this area.
Date: 12 Sep 1997 09:47:24 PST
Subject: white rotary bobbin case

     To Kathy ,

            I had an old White Rotary treadle that was missing its
    bobbin case when it was given to me.  White/Kenmore didn't change
    that part of the machine much in following years, and I easily found
    a replacement in a $5 Kenmore 117 godzilla machine (I'm guessing
    1940's vintage) from a thrift store. (Of course, I had to haul the
    whole machine and cabinet home.)  I didn't feel bad about scavenging
    the parts I needed because the Kenmore was in pretty bad shape and I
    don't collect them anyway.  I did salvage the manual (invaluable for
    threading the upper tension and bobbin, and using the feet), shuttle
     assembly, bobbins, feet, and screwdrivers.  I see more old Kenmores
    than any other machine in thrift stores, and some are quite cheap.
    Just make sure it still has the bobbin case, and that it matches
    your machine.

Subject: Machine quilting question
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:42:58 -0700

I just decided to change my challenge quilt.  (Please, no lectures about 
waiting until the last minute. : )  )  I had wanted to do something '50's 
futuristic to match my decor, but the lack of '50's futuristic fabric (what 
I can find is too cute or the print is too big) and the fact that the 
pattern I want to do is too difficult for my current skill level has 
changed my mind.  My recent purchase of a 1934 FW helped, too. I've decided 
to try a 1930's wall hanging.

My only question now is what machine do I use for machine quilting? I have 
a 1927 99 with kneebar that I haven't used yet because I still need to fix 
it up.  I'm wondering whether the motor is strong enough to machine quilt. 
 Any opinions?  What about an electrified 66 from the early 20's?  I'm 
assuming here that it's OK to use an older machine than the quilt period 
because someone in the 1930's may have had these machines, whereas a 1950's 
one would be a technical no-no.

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Machine Search

Hello All,

        Beautiful day in Gloucester, Mass, sun bright an nd water blue.  I
am on the search again for a Bernina 1000 for a friend.  Anyone have a clue.  

My kind regards,   Larry
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:54:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Singer 127

Hi, I am new to this list and hope y'all don't mind a few questions. My MIL
bought me a 127 last weekend for my birthday. I called Singer and it's
"birthdate" is October 28,1926. It needs some work ( mostly cleaning) & it
doesnt have the bobbin shuttle. Can y'all give me any suggestions as to how
to clean the machine--- it's very sticky with oil buildup and do any of you
have a source for parts? She paid $40 for it-- was that a good deal ? Does
anyone know the value of it? I'm not really a collector --I just wanted one
to sew on. Thanks for your help.
Subject: Minnesota 5 drawer
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:40:05 -0600

Hi,  I have just inherited a Minnesota 5 drawer sewing machine and would like to have some information about it.  If you could return this email I would appreciate it.  Thanks, Danese
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:59:06 -0500
Subject: Singer 201

After that long wordy post here I go again, but thankfully on a subject
many of you know about.  Thanks to a 'net ' friend, I have my DD's 1941 201
sewing pretty well.  Thanks, Lynne.  The only thing we couldn't seem to
conquer is the skipping stiches.  Other than that, it seems to be working
fine.  (well, there is a tiny clacking noise, as if the bobbine is jumbping
up and down)  My question(finially you say)  I would like to get a copy of
the manual for this machine.  Other that Singer, what are my options?
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:50:20 -0500
Subject: Lenox famous buttonhole worker, and other stuff.

Hello all,

Recently I aquired a wide assortment of attachments, and one in particular
caught my attention.  I am hoping someone knows something about it.  It is
called a Lenox adjusting "Famous Buttonhole worker".  Anyone ever heard of
it?  It came with instructions, but could not find a date or anything to
give me a an idea to age. If anyone has any information, I'd appreciate it.
 I think it looks like something that belongs on a toy locomotive!

This particular item was in a cabinet I recently bought.  All the drawers
were crammed with goodies.  All of them seem to fit the White Rotary that
was also with the cabinet.  There are 2 zig zaggers, a Majic "Key"
Buttonholer, a picoting and hemsticher attachment and oodles of Greist
attachments.  The White Rotary is a Series 77.Original manuals, and pretty
plastic containers for the zig zaggers and key buttonholer.

I do not plan to keep the machine, and don't think that the attachments
will work with my singers, so they will most likely go too.  The cabinet is
so wonderful and spacious with four drawers, 2 fold out extenions, and a
completely finished back, so that it can sit in the middle of a room, and
look lovely from any angle.  Couldn't resist it.  Hate to pitch the
machine, but don't know if folks are interested in White Rotary.  Gosh it
sounds like my 1st car! ( this must sound like heresy to the true collector.)

Must put in my 2 cents worth on the apron topic.  I remember well Mom
wearing one, everyday.  Bring back lovey memories.  A couple of years ago,
I started sewing them and wearing them while cleaning house, cooking , just
about all the time. So handy to wipe my hands on!  How did they mangage to
loose favor in the home?  

Here I am still looking for that elusive FW.   
Subject: Cleaning Motors
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:37:17 -0700


This will be a bit of a different post.  Someone asked my how to
clean out a motor.  Why, I don't know as I am a treadler.  However,
ever eager for the pursuit of knowledge, I recalled that my "guru"
had once mentioned that he had a trick that he considered almost as
good as getting a new motor.   I didn't pay attention at the time and
forgot the vital product name.  So I called him.  Here, for whatever
it is worth, is his advice.  He's never steered me wrong, but please
understand, I have not personally done this.   I'm sure it will
generate some discussion:

To clean a motor thoroughly, remove it from the machine.   Obtain
from an auto supply store an aeorsol can of a product called "Brake
Free".   go outdoors... hold motor far from you and spray the H...
out of it.  Into all openings, etc.    This product is for cleaning
the dust and stuff out of brake drums.  It goes in as a liquid but
dries to a powder.    Do this a couple or several times.   If
necessary, use whole can.    Allow motor to dry very, very thorougly,
using a hair dryer if necessary.   (Personally, I would use the hair
dryer and then let is sit overnight anyway).   Once its dry,
reinstall and run it... or test bed run it....    if you get weird
smells... stop and let dry more.   It can smoke and start burning...
not desireable.

I*n spite of the last, this is attested as the very best way to clean
out a motor.  Doing this and then installing new brushes is the
equivalent of a new motor, allegedly.   It is supposed to be
especially good in cases, common, where people have over oiled the
motors to their detriment. 

Re clogged lube holes, kerosene and a needle.   Further advice is
don't use the Singer lube.   light oil is entirely sufficient, says
the guru.

Now, for a word from Captain Dick.... I don't normally have this
problem, as I treadle.  However, I fully intend to obtain a can of
Brake Free and try it on an old motor.  I think it's definitely
something I would want to have experience with before attaching an
expensive FW.  However, my guru has never steered me wrong.

Captain Dick
Subject: New (old) Book
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:42:30 -0700


an antiquarian book specialist friend of mine found a treasure and
fortunately went ahead and bought it for me.  It is a copy of a 1922
training book on sewing machine use and maintenance.  Entitled: 
"Sewing Machines" by Rosamond C. Cook, Associate Professor of Home
Economics, Iowa State College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts. 
Published 1922.

This is fabulous!   It shows interior views of New homes, Singers,
Whites, Davis's, Eldridges, Wilcox and Gibbs, etc.  

Does anyone know this book?   I am definitely intending to
investigate it's copyright status and look into the possibility of

Captain Dick
Subject: Trip
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:49:39 -0700


sorry about three messages this trip, but each was important enough I
thought it worth the space. 

I am tentatively planning a trip to Florida in mid-November.   At
this time I have not set dates.  Back in the spring, several people
expressed interest in possibly arranging for one of my presentations
or classes when I'm down there.  So....  if anyone representing a
quilt club, group or whatever wants to get back to me to see about 1.
 my presentation on SM history, 2.  a class on treadles and old
machine selection/rescue/restoration (not aimed at FW's... others do
them better than I do), or 3.  the beginner quilt class "Captain
Dick's Treasure"... aimed at kids and men (is there a
difference?).... get back to me and let me know.  

At this point, I can arrange a whiz bang several day trip to visit
family, or stretch it out for a couple of weeks and hit several
cities.   Best arrangement is to have a club meeting with the history
talk at night, and either the restoration and choosing/buying an old
machine class or the quilting class the next day.   I would expect to
charge something for the classes, but nothing outrageous.

Your feedback will determine my schedule, so I hope to hear from the
folks who earlier expressed interest.

Captain Dick
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:17:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:  FW tables

Hi Feathers,

Just got my new fw card table from Andy Fields today. It is beautiful! It has
a lovely birch top and my little sm looks so cute in the table! Andy does
wonderful work & I highly recommend him to those who haven't found an "old"
table yet. BTW Andy's phone # has changed.......it's now   Andy Fields
   785- 566- 3788 and his address is 742 Shawnee Rd , Pomona Kansas 66076.
Andy also made me a box for one of my naked fws and he did a great job on
that too....I heard about  Andy through another feather and when I saw his
work I  just had to have one of his tables.

No sm scores today,except found a box for my 185J ...mine was in a cabinet &
wanted the case for it. Tomorrow is a hunting day...will let you know if I

Mn Annie
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:57:20 -0700
Subject: Oregon treadle

Greetings, in late July I put out a request for a treadle in the
Sisters, Oregon area for my friend Tony. Well, I'd like to say thanks to
the 6 people who responded with descriptions of their treadles. Tony has
just purchased a model 66 from Dave Butler and is just thrilled that we
were able to get such good results over the Net...This FWF continues to
be the greatest thing going!

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:41:54 -0700
Subject: Elna - what is it?


I have brought home a Green Elna which came in a metal case.  It has
two black buttons you push on the sides and the lid opens with this
green elna inside.  THe machine came with manual and attachments.  The
case folds out into a small table that the elna slides into.  The
manual has no model number on it.  Can anyone tell me what model this
is or how old it is or just anything?  It's sluggish sewing and appears
to need a good oil job.  I thought maybe it was a machine used by the
army when I first saw it due to the metal case.  Any help identifying
this machine would be appreciated.

Happy hunting - Oh, I found a singer oil bottle also - a find I could
identify with......Kay
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:08:58
Subject: fw fanatics 101

Dear fws; today or should I say yesterday, was quite unique not once but
twice people called about fws, first a lady from toronto called me about fw
bobbin case, seems she bought a fw in a case at a pawn shop and it was
missing the bobbin case, is the model 222k valuable she asked picked it up
for 125.ca but it missing it bobbin case $8o.ca seems high for a bobbin
case, before everyone emails me I dont know who this lady is, and I
alreadly offered her a mint fw and money and the answer was a polite no. It
not forsale and the worst is, she just wants it for classes, not a
collector at all. So there still out there and it bugs the living daylights
out of me. mike
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:51:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 403/503 insights? Threat Cutter?

To: FW Friends
Re: Thread cutter on FW, and 403a
I have two unrelated questions, would love some input. 
	1. First, about my black '53 FW. The thread cutter (over the needle) is a
pain in the neck! It requires multiple tries! Am I doing something wrong, or
can it be sharpened, or can I temporarily put a different thread cutter on
it? It's a silvery flat strip folded back on itself---looks good, but doesn't
work so great!
	2. I've been thinking about decorative stitches, and am a great admirer of
the 500 series old Singers, with the cams (I don't own one, but I've been
thinking...) Hadn't found one of them for sale, but recently I looked at a
403a for sale, which apparently is virtually the same thing. Can anyone give
me insights into any differences between the two? The 403a  came with many
cams, but manual showed many more out there---do Singer dealers have them?
And finally: what is the going fair price for one of these in decent
condition? The seller was pricing it at $100, (yes, I know, it's worth
whatever it's worth to me)---but still, I'd like to get a sense of whether
this is in the right range.
	Many thanks! --Cathy
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:00:46 -0700
Subject: Godzilla Finish

What exactly is a godzilla finish. I've heard it referred to, but cant
seem to figure out what it is.

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:15:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/10/97

Could someone let me know anything about the oval FW table?  Is there a
picture of one somewhere?  Also what price range would be average?  I'm on
the trail for one that maybe for sale....  But I have not seen it, or any of
these creatures.
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:17:39 -0500
Subject: Estate sale

Thought this was going to be a very productive day.  Got up early to
check sales and found one that had 5 sewing mach. listed. Got there an
hour early to get a good spot but alas no FW.  How disappointing!  I did
buy a buttonhole attach. and zigzag attach. for my FW.  Don't really
understand how a zigzag attach. will work.  Only paid $2 apiece for them
so not too bad.  They had a hemstitcher attach. that I should have
bought but didn't.  Wish there was a pinker but no.  Someone also had a
Florence sewing mach. advertised but it was already gone by the time I
called.  So no FW this weekend.
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/9/97
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:22:36 +0100

To all

I'm taking a week away. Small cottage in Cornwall, five miles for the
nearest neighbor. Boating, fishing, reading, smoking. All the good things
in life. Will catch up with all messages when I return

To Moonsage

Will join you in the pub but let's make sure it's one that has a special
place in the yard where people  can go when they do not want to smoke.

To Kathy re White bobbin case

Try White at 1-800 631 0183. I'm told they are very good over old spares.

To Pam re Gritzner

This is a German machine made by Max Gritzner  in Durlach. Company started
in 1872. Bought out by Pfaff in 1957. No records re serial numbers and
dates survive.
 side has
>2b for each stitch.  Any help would be appreciated.

To Mike re literature

Arrived toiday. Must congratulate you on the quality of the copying and the

To Lorac

Godzilla is crinkle-finish paint which looks like you could strike a match
on it --- better not try.

To MJB re Moose

Are you syure you don't mean Morse? If so this was an American import
company with a base in NYC which imported  machines from many different
Japanese factories in the 1950s and 60s and re-badged them with the Morse

To Janet re white/green FW

If you need a copy manual, mail me

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 16:54:45 UT
Subject: Internet Address

Does anyone know if "A Stitch Back In Time" in Lubbock, Tx is online?  Jules, NH where I got ANOTHER 5 SMs this past week.  Looking again 
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:03:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Singer Machines

I went hunting today at a local antique mall.  I saw two examples of godzilla
Singers. I think they both fit into the catagory of being "updated" .  The
first one was a sn # gxxxxx.  It had the Singer name on the front, and no
were else. The bobbin winder was defininetly one of the older styles.  The
attachments were marked Greist, the box said "special attachments".  It also
included a Greist buttonholer.  It is in a cabinet, the door has a early 1950
type plastic thread rack on the door. 
The second machine is the same model, but only the machine is godzilla.  The
flywheel, and the piece that is over the belt are black and shiny. The belt
piece, and rim of the flywheel have  decals of small flowers on them.  It
also has Singer on the front and the top has Singer made in USA.  This one is
in a bent wood case. 
They both give the impression of retreads. I wonder if the first was done by
Singer or a company that just refurbished machines?
I didn't buy either one.  They wanted $70 for the one in the cabinet, and $60
for the portable.  Not worth it IMHO.
Subject: A Boy and a Sewing Machine... a Fable for Modern Times
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:30:05 -0700

Once upon a time, there was a very good little boy named Dick.   He
took the garbage out for his mother and weeded the lawn for his
father.   When he grew up, he was still very good.  He took the
garbage out and weeded the lawn for his wife.  He even did all the
cooking. (This may have been because he was a fabulous cook and his
wife couldn't boil water, but that's another story...)

What, you may ask (I did), does this have to do with sewing machines?
One day, as a reward for all this goodness, Felicia Featherweight,
the Patron Goddess of Sewing Machine Collectors, spoke to Dick. 
"Dick", she said, "the phone is ringing... answer it!"  He did, and a
voice said, "I have this little Singer sewing machine in black case,
with a manual and attachments and a folding table.  Would you like to
buy it?"  Dick said, "Bring it around and I'll take a look."

It was brought around and Dick looked, and Dick bought it.  It would
be nice to say the the Goddess Felicia gave it to Dick as a gift, but
the truth is, Dick paid an arm and a leg for it and is so deep in
hock that he may have no allowance until the year 2000.   

Was it worth it?   Well, you be the judge, for when Dick looked upon
this condition 8 FW, the little badge on the pillar was not plain
gold.  It didn't have a black enamel circle, or even a blue one with
"A Century of Sewing Service" in it.  No, it had a blue enamel circle
that said, "Golden Gate Exposition - San Francisco 1940"

				The End


Captain Dick
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:46:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Singer 127

Hi, I am new to this list and hope y'all don't mind a few questions. My MIL
bought me a  Singer 127 last weekend for my birthday. I called Singer and
"birthdate" is October 28,1926. It needs some work ( mostly cleaning) & it
doesnt have the bobbin shuttle. Can y'all give me any suggestions as to how
to clean the machine--- it's very sticky with oil buildup and do any of you
have a source for parts? She paid $40 for it-- was that a good deal ? Does
anyone know the value of it? I'm not really a collector --I just wanted one
to sew on. Thanks for your help.
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:59:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Florence treadle

I have been lurking for some time- I love to hear of everyone's sm
adventures.  My sister was recently given a Florence treadle, along with lots
of sewing goodies.  I haven't seen it yet- but the serial # is FR7071731.
 Can anyone share any info on this machine?  TIA- Amy 
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:57:21, -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics 9/11/97

To : Graham 
Re: FW motors

Graham, I know nothing of the origin of the motors I spoke of.  The 
Singer man locally told me about them and said they were good little 
motors.  I was just repeating what he told me.  Maybe I should be 
more careful what I put on FWFanatics.  Sorry if I gave out the wrong 
information.  I am always glad to hear your slant on things mentioned 
here on the digest.  Keep up the good work of keeping us in line and 
on the right foot.  

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