Featherweight Fanatics Archives

June 1996

Sunday, June 9th - Saturday, June 15th


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Date: 08 Jun 96 23:14:47 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 6/6/96

Hello to all from Mn where we actually saw the sun and had a wonderful day!!!

To Sandy W:

So how do we subscribe to ISMACS?  Maybe others would like to know besides me.
And thank you Graham for all your wonderful stories.

Carol 
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Date: Sun,  9 Jun 1996 09:30:05, -0500
Subject: Sew Handy machine

Hi there - just wanted to tell everyone about a sewing machine that a
friend of mine recently found.  It's a Sew Handy which was made by the
Standard Sewing machine Co which was later sold to Singer in 1929. 
Singer then added some different features and started making our
featherweights.  It's still in it's original case with some attachments
and the manual.  Anyway, it's a cute little thing -- and she is selling
it - anyone interested can e-mail me.  Jeri 
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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 09:55:51 -0400
Subject: Featherweight

I would like to join Featherweight fanatics. I read much about them 
and would like to know more. I own a singer sewing machine that I bought 
at a yard sale. The descriptions I have read about fit the description 
of my machine, yet there are variations that make me question if my 
machine is in the featherweight class. Any help would be appreciated.

                                       Thanks,
                                       Angel W
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:08:03 -0600
Subject: FW prices!!

Wow!  I was just looking at the quilting message boards on AOL, and saw
that someone has two FWs for sale.  Ever curious, I read the message and
was astonished at the prices:  $650 each, and neither are complete.
Condition was described as good, I think (I don't recall precisely).  I
don't think either of them had many attachments.  Seems pretty pricey to
me.

I don't think I ever reported on my shopping finds from Memorial Day
weekend. I was out of state for a family wedding (not mine, alas!) (well,
okay, maybe being single isn't such a bad thing; I don't have to hide or
explain my sewing machines), and visited all of the antique shops I could
find time for. Among my treasures:  6 pkgs. of Singer needles, various
sizes; 2 newer oil cans (one oval, one rectangular, but both in the
green/pinkish-red/white design; one green/red oil can, oval, but half the
height of what I consider the standard size (I paid too much, probably, but
I've never seen one of these before); and several magazine ads. Two of the
ads I bought are not Singer. One is for a machine called a Princess.  I
bought the ad mostly because the design and color on it are lovely.  The
other non-Singer ad is the cover of a woman's magazine from the 20's, with
a flapper-type woman kneeling on the floor, her fabric and pattern pieces
strewn around her. Great colors and stylized design... the hot pink of the
fabric and pattern pieces and the green of the woman's dress are still very
vivid.

I did pass up the quart-size oil can.

I found one postcard, from the 20's or 30's I suspect, though I can't read
the year on the postmark. It has an embossed leaf border, and text only (no
picture), which says, "I'm making a crazy quilt, and I want your face for
the center."  So silly!

I saw a couple of SewHandys, but both seemed overpriced (for my checkbook,
anyway).  The newer one didn't work well, and was missing the spool post.
Neither had their clamps (I think they would have come with one), and
neither came with boxes or any additional. The newer one was $75, which if
it had been in working condition would have been okay. The older one was
$149... more than I wanted to spend, though perhaps not terribly out of
line.

At the end of the weekend, I visited a friend.  She had my birthday gift
ready for me (a week early):  a 4 vol. set of the Singer Sewing booklets
from the late 20s.  :)))))  I was delighted, needless to say.

And on my birthday, a pkg. arrived from my aunt.  In it was what HAD to be
her own copy of Mary Brooks Pickens Singer Sewing Book, copyright 1949.
The jacket is tattered but otherwise it's in good shape.  How delightful!

Lisa
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 96 13:43:36 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/27 - 5/31/96

Finding a 301 or a 301A a 401 or a 401A in the area of Virginia where I live
is difficult.  I have found a tan Singer 328K, all metal parts and in a
cabinet.  Can anyone tell me how this machine compares to the 301/401, etc.?
Also, saved a 617U from landing in the junk pile.  I know it is a newer=
 machine.
It came in a black suitcase that looks like a hatbox case.  It has "Singer"
on one side
which hinges down and comes off completely so the machine can be removed.
Does anyone know anything about this machine?  Why the "U" after the number?
What about the case?
Have never seen another case like this one.
TIA, have learned so much from FWF.
From Charlotte
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:17:58 -0400
Subject: Various things

I spent yesterday in 90plus heat, with lots of humidity, checking out the
World's Greatest Yard Sale in York, PA.  Note:not the largest, just the
greatest.  Other than buying a hemostat, I came home empty handed.  800
dealers and I guess I saw all of them once, some of them several times.

I did chat with the local Vac and Sew people who had a booth.  They tell me
they have several 301's in stock.  I may have to break down and visit them.
 I also finally saw one of the Boye needlecases.  This one was priced at
$225.00!!  I suspect it will be hauled back home this evening still unsold.
 Neat to look at though.  Th,e only other thing I saw was an old Standard
treadle machine, no attachments, with the cabinet in such bad shape that it
probably wouldn't even need to be stripped before refinishing.  They wanted
$200 for that.  It seems to me that price inflation has hit Penna.
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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 16:35:37 -0400
Subject: Featherweight and case...

I have just gotten my first featherweight.  
I was at an aunt's house over Memorial Day and told her that I was 
looking for a Featherweight.  She looked at the picture I had with me 
and said she had had one years ago.  She said that she bought it new in 
1954.  She then said that my cousin had it as it had stopped working and 
the cousin was going to try to get it fixed but never did.  She told me 
to talk to my cousin about getting it from her.

So when I got to my cousi's I saw the case sitting on a shelf in her 
garage, on it's side, with orange water streaks.  The bottom was out of 
the case.  I thought right away that the machine would be rusted solid. 
 It wasn't.  It even ran when I plugged it in (Of course...after all it 
IS a Singer).  It was pretty scratched up and has some missing paint but 
after cleaning and polishing and waxing it is shining quite nicely now.

Of course it didn't sew since the pin that holds the bobbin case 
assembly in place was broken and the entire thing was turning.  But 
after removing one from a recently purchaced 301 it sews!!!  And better 
than the 3000 dollar New Home another aunt has.

Two questions...the case is beyond help as it is...how does one get the 
glue residue off that was left from the fabric fallign away?
And two:  what is good to buff deep scratches out of the black paint?  
(It seems my cousin had put her initials on the very top of the arm of 
the machine when she was going to take it in to have it fixed.  )

The Mequire's Deep Crystal car waxing system (3 steps) has done a very 
good job of shining the FW and the 301.  It has worked better than any 
other polish I have used.

Jim
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:33:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Survey Update

     Here is a long overdue (and just plain long!) update on the 
Featherweight database. If you would like to participate, please fill out 
a form at http://quilt.com/FWFanatics/FWFSurvey.html or write to me for a 
copy.
 
     There are currently 540 Featherweights on the database. 
Unfortunately, although there are so many more machines,  there are not a 
proportionate number of revelations. In fact, many things have gotten 
muddier. When there were less machines on the database the production changes
made over the years looked rather clear, but now it's becoming obvious 
that machines didn't leave the plant in the order of their serial 
numbers, (in fact, not even close!) making it harder to determine when 
changes took place. 
 
This is the breakdown of responses by state. You can take this two ways. 
Either the states that have a lot of machines are good places to look for 
FW's, or they are awful places to look because the FW's have already been 
snatched up!
AK-8, AL-7, ARK-1, AZ-6, CA- 51, CO-2, FL-17, GA-5, IA-16, ID-3, IL-7, 
IN-4, KS-6, KY-2, LA-2, MA-5, MD-37, ME-3, MI-10, MN-6, MO-6, MS-3, 
MT-10, NC-5, NE-4, NH-1, NJ-11, NM-15, NY-23, OH-19, OK-57, OR-19, PA-12, 
SC-1, SD-1, TN-4, TX-10, UT-3, VA-37, WA-28, WI-3, WY-4, Australia-3, 
Alberta, Canada-5, B.C. Canada-4,  Nova Scotia, Canada-5, Ontario, 
Canada-20, New Zealand-2
 
Some observations:
 
* There are 5 machines on the database with the earliest build date of 
10/3/33. But none of these has a special medallion commemorating the 
'33-'34 World's Fair, which the FW was introduced at. These 5 machines are 
all within 8000 of each other, so the first allotments were probably quite
small.
 
* The next build date on the database is 9/10/34, almost a year later. 
Either there is a build date or two that has yet to be reported, or the 
FW might not have been a strong seller in it's earliest days. One 
respondent had a machine dated 10/3/33 with an original bill of sale 
dated 12/6/35. Singer appears to have been selling about 200,000 machines 
a year, of all models, around this time.
 
* The database jumps from serial# AG011302 (7/1/41) to AG527051(9/19/45) 
due to the war. This is over 500,000 machines. But I asked Singer for the 
birthdate of an arbitrary number midway between them and was told that a 
model 31 was allotted 4/1/42. I wonder if this means Singer was still 
producing some machines during parts of the war, but maybe only industrial? 
This also would explain why there are so few FW's that begin with AG.
 
* There are 61 machines on the database with the anniversary medallion. 
That's better than 11%. Only 2 of these are British.
 
* It turns out that Singer in Great Britain went from EV serial numbers 
to EX on 7/23/64 and didn't get around to using the EW prefix until 
1968.  And Singer is not able to give us any info at all on British 
serial numbers beginning with EY or FA, or any Canadian numbers.
 
Original Featherweight prices:
12/6/35     $84 less 10% teachers discount
6/11/42     $105
1942        $108
11/23/48    $130
1949        $140
3/10/49     $145 + table #310 for $28 + buttonholer for $9.95
8/13/49     $147.90
1950        $145
1951        $140
3/12/53     $154
1954 for    $159.95 including table 
1955        $169
 
 
     Unless a person puts their e-mail address at the bottom of the 
survey, I don't know who it's from.  And many people have sent in forms 
for friends, so I can't really tell anymore how many machines people own. 
Instead, this is how many machines different people have reported on.
 
174 people have reported on 1 machine.
45 people have reported on 2 machines.
10 people have reported on 3 machines.
12 people have reported on 4 machines.
3 people have reported on 5 machines.
4 people have reported on 6 machines.
2 people have reported on 7 machines.
1 person has reported on 8 machines.
1 person has reported on 9 machines.
1 person has reported on 24 machines.
1 person has reported on 25 machines.
1 person has reported on 54 machines. 
 
This is the breakdown of machines by serial number prefix:
 
Black American: 454 total
AD-22, AE-33, AF-65, AG-34, AH-56, AJ-73, AK-59, AL-67, AM-45
These range from 10/3/33 to 9/27/57.
24 of these machines were inherited or received as gifts.
The average price paid for one of these since 1990 has been $227.50.  46 
were purchased for under $100.  13 cost $500 or more, with the most 
expensive being $600.
 
Black British model 221K: 34 total
EE-4, EF-7, EG-7, EH-7, EJ-1, EN-1, EP-1, ES-6 
These range from 12/24/47 to 5/15/61.
The average price paid for one of these since 1990 has been $180. This 
figure is lower than the American made 221 because so many of these are 
in Canada, New Zealand and Australia, where the prices are lower. 6 were 
purchased for under $100, and the most expensive was $500.
 
Black British model 222K: 14 total
EJ-2, EK-1, EL-4, EM-3, EP-1, ER-3
These range from 3/31/54 to 6/16/60.
The average price paid for one of these since 1990 has been $777. The 
lowest price paid was $300 and the highest was $1500.
 
Tan British: 4 total
ES-4
These all have a birthdate of 8/19/61.
The average price paid for all tan machines was $280. 
 
White British: 43 total
EV-10, EW-23, EY-3,  FA-7
These range from 8/1/63 to ????
The average price paid was $199, with the lowest being $30 and the 
highest being $350.
 
Tan Canadian 2 total
JE-2  birthdates unknown.
 
Accessories:   17% of the machines surveyed have the oil can, 56% have 
most or all feet and 49% have the manual. 32% had none of the accessories.
 
There are 67 known different "birthdates" for the American 221's, 36 for 
the British 221's  (all colors) and 15 for the British 222's so far.
 
The birthdates 8/11/52 and 1/29/57 tie for the most machines on the 
survey. Each has 20. 
 
This probably won't line up in columns properly, but the following are 
the Featherweight references that I am aware of from Singer's datapages. 
There are at least 85 more that we need. 
 
        9/23/35 AD996956        AD999999        221     3044
        10/10/38 AF070706       AF090705        221     20000
        2/15/39 AF161806        AF181805        221     20000
        8/15/40 AF571881        AF596880        221     25000
        1/7/41  AF740751        AF760750        221     20000
        6/4/46  AG689391        AG709390        221     20000
        4/22/47 AH050371        AH070370        221-1   20000
        6/26/47 AH111971        AH131970        221-2   20000
        8/19/47 AH193771        AH223770        221-2   30000
        12/9/48 AH973921        AH999999        221     26079
        12/9/48 First AJ        AJ013920        221     13920
        3/15/49 AJ103721        AJ143720        221     40000
        8/11/52 AK984876        AK999999        221     15124
        8/11/52 First AL        AL034875        221     34875
        12/12/52 AL158501       AL208500        221     50000
        1/17/55 AL900891        AL950890        221     50000
        6/10/55 AM137761        AM187760        221     50000
        2/14/54 EK203130        EK213138        221K    10000
        3/14/54 EK319939        EK329938        222K    10000
        3/3/59  EP131001        EP133500        222K    2500
        9/22/59 EP541572        EP544071        222K    2500
        12/18/59 EP758473       EP760972        222K    2500
        3/15/60 ER022034        ER024533        222K    2500
        10/19/60 ES165344       ES167843        222K    2500
        11/23/60 ES170544       ES175543        221K    5000
        1/10/61 ES239244        ES249243        221K    10000
        1/31/61 ES352344        ES357343        222K    10000
        3/30/61 ES522944        ES527943        222K    5000
        5/15/61 ES648144        ES658143        221K    10000
        8/19/61 ES873744        ES883743        221K    10000
        11/2/61 ET061345        ET071344        221K    10000
        3/3/64  EV776991        EV826990        221K    50000
        5/13/64 EV919198        EV969197   328K(221K) white  50000
 
At an average of 20000 machines per allotment and at least 120 
alottments, this means there were  probably over 2-1/2 million 
Featherweights produced!
 
Happy Featherweighting,

Krisi S
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Date: 09 Jun 96 19:09:30 EDT
Subject: To Graham

Is the show Maggie was in "The Secret Life of Machines"? I saw several segments
here in the US a few years ago but never saw one about sewing machines. Pity! I
really enjoyed it...the host was, how shall I say, slightly off the wall and
very funny.

I just moved to an area that gets The Learning Channel so will look for
Collectomania.

There is a cable channel here called "fx" and they have a great show about
collecting called "Personal fx." Haven't seen much in the way of sewing 
machines
on the show, and some of their comments on other things are wrong (one 
appraiser
called a flax (spinning) wheel a walking wheel), but on the whole it is a very
enjoyable show. I make sure I watch it every day. It is AMAZING what some of 
our
junk is worth.

Charlene
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:50:40 -0900 (PDT)
Subject: New Home Experts


Help!,
  My instruction manual for my New Home says to use Sperm Oil, can 
this still be found in hardware stores?  Can I instead use 3-in-1 
or some similar oil?  Re Needles:  I haven't tried yet, but are all 
needles interchangeable with all machines?  I use only 100% cotton 
thread and assume that in 1887 that was the only thread 
available--any info on the best thread to use?  

  Thank you, and any other use-tips you have are most welcome!  
This is/will be the first time I've ever used a treadle.

  Have a wonderful day,
/Ginny
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:13:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SewHandy Sewing Machine

I have one these machines in a case like the one shown in the Featherweight
book  by Nancy Johnson-Srebro (page 13). How can I determine its value or
age? Can't  find a serial number.  
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:20:54 +0000
Subject: Picking Attachment/New machines

Goodmorning Fanatics Friends,
   First of all I know where there is a Old Singer Pinking Attachment 
but don't know what to offer as a fair price? Help - Graham! My 
sewing machine guru, Jim, got it with a old 201 that he just got Sat. 
He said he'd only seen this attachment one other time. I said I'd 
like to buy it, he said to find out what a fair price would be. 
   This attachment is large, black with the name Singer in Silver. 
It's the largest attachment I've seen. It has a pinking blade which 
reminds me of the small rotary cutter blade, except it's that pinking 
blade. I don't even know if this is a original blade. There is know 
book or box. It does run. Jim was cutting strips of fabric with it! 
It fits on the machine as the other attachments but you need to take 
out the needle. Seeing Jim cutting strips of material, all you fellow 
quilters out there know what I was thinking! The size of the strips 
could be sized for width, so why not let your machine cut your strips 
instead of a rotary cutter! Or for someone who makes braided rugs 
etc. This too is one of the good things!

   Also, is there any place to buy the original bentwood cases? 
Empty, of coarse, the 14 1/2 inch size especially?

   I bought a new FW on Friday, paid $200 for it. Had to take it to 
Jim to put one screw back in the motor, put the belt back on,the 
original belt, fixed the foot pedal because when you pushed in the 
knob it didn't come out! It's in beautiful condition. The enamel and 
gold etc. Just needed these few things. I thought! Jim did this in about 15 min 
while I watched. This machine is AM680524  born 29 Jan 1957.
   Then he started sewing with it, the stitches weren't right so he 
took off the throat plate.
   I would not have paid the $200 if I had know that also the 
part that has the hook mechanism on it had rust on it as well as the 
bobbin case. Jim buffed it all off, also had to put a new tension spring on,
 tuned it up and still only charged the $52 servicing fee. 
   I'm putting a screw driver in my purse, then when I find a vintage 
machine, they'rer asking x-amount of $, I'm checking that machine. The only 
way to have seen this rust on this part, which is suppose to be 
mirror finish, is when Jim removed the throat plate. It was on the top
 and since we know the FW moves the thread all the
 way around this piece, it can't have anything on it to catch the thread.

 If it had been badly rusted to where I would have had to buy a new part, 
would it have been worth it or would I have paid $200 for a machine for
 parts only?  I will use the screw driver to remove this plate to look.

 The person selling this machine started out asking $300. I need a original
 manual and box of attachments, it didn't have any. I know that Dale Pickens 
sells them but I know others do too. Please e-mail me if you have any 
of these 2 items.

   I bought a 128 on Sat. This has a story. I bought this machine 
from Jim for $125 but he's serviced it, worth $52, and had to clean 
it all up. I was shocked to see this machine. It's cute, it's a 
AJ390466 born 24 Jan 1950 in Elizabeth, New Jersey. On this date they 
started a new lot of 15,000 128's. The beginning of Feb they started 
another lot of another class of machine. This is what Joan at Singer 
Customer Relations told me.

   The 128 story is - about 3 weeks ago I went into a junk shop and 
saw this old looking Singer in a bentwood case. The machine was 
dirty, it was a ugly old ripple gray-black dull finish and had the 
metal top on the compartment right of the machine. It had a few 
attachments in that compartment covered by that metal cover with rust and no 
manual.  They wanted $5.00 for this ugly machine! I didn't buy it.
 Who wants a Singer without the beautiful gold scroll! Not me. Well, a little
 over a week ago when I went into Jims and saw this machine, I about flipped!
 This is not the same machine I saw. Jim got his from a town south of us
 plus the one I saw had a lot of rust on that metal cover. The moral of 
this story is -  I will never pass up a old Singer because it's dirty, 
the building is so dark you can't see well anyway. I'm taking a small 
flash light with me too!!

   The 128-23 I bought from Jim has the original manual and box of 
attachments. I went back to that junk store to buy that one I saw. 
The building was empty and they either moved or went out of business. 
My question is "What did they do with that 128 for $5.00!! Probably 
someone smarter than I, bought it!

   This 128 is a pretty machine, not glamorous, it has that little 
light in the back that looks like a miniature spot light, it has gold 
scroll on the top of the belt protector behind the bobbin winder. It 
has the Singer Manufacturing Co. in gold plus USA under this also in 
gold, and a large silver thumb screw to regulate the stitch length. 
No numbers on the tension knob. Or plus - minus signs.

And Sew It Goes 
Rosemary
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Date:          Sat, 8 Jun 1996 12:04:44 +0000
Subject:       201 Repairs

Well, I've done it. I took a well running but cosmetically challenged 
201 and a non-running, better looking centennial 201 and made one 
fairly decent machine. Thanks to Mike and Jim for the advice on 
switching motors. I still need to take apart and clean the tension 
assembly and the bobbin assembly but the motor runs, the light works, 
and the needle bar goes up and down so things are looking good at 
this point. It never ceases to amaze me how people can abuse these 
old beauties. A little more elbow grease and I may have something 
here. Another machine, another lesson. I think I want to be a Singer 
repairman when I grow up...

Love all the great stories about your finds lately, a $5 99k? an $8 
FW? Mine must be out there somewhere :). 

Take care, Katy
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Date: 10 Jun 1996 18:19:44 +0000
Subject: Original Manuals

To Anyone Who May Have Wanted One:  (Rosemary?)

 One, meaning a real, original, not photo-copied manual:

My source informs me that the (#@&^ %(&) person he was dealing with who was 
going to sell him the ORIGINAL manuals thought he meant original? 
photocopies???? .....so that dream is down the tube for another day....

Over &out for now; am really pressed with work!....later, later...
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:19:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: i'm a fwf

        look forward every day to the wonderful messages from all
        over the world. am a new subscriber.
        i am amazed at the fwf'ers out there.  got the birthdays today
        of my 2 babies!  an AJ on 10/26/50 is 221-1 and at least a 9 1/2!
        baby sister an AM born 1/23/57 also a 9 1/2.  
        used to work for singer and won both!! one missing
        foot pedal ...help....where can i get?  called a service center
        in rhode island....he wants $125.00.   

        also am wondering is "dh" for "darling husband" or "darn husband"
        or does it depend on the day?
         
             jeanie
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Date:          Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:39:33 +0000
Subject:       restoring old treadle

Help!  A friend just gave me an old treadle that has been in his 
attic for 3 years and who knows where before that.  The metal frame 
needs some major cleanup, the wooden cabinet needs major work too.  
Some of the veneer is coming loose and a couple of small pieces need 
to be glued back on.  The frame has a date of 1865 on it.  Haven't 
checked the machine yet.  I know you all have talked about the care 
and cleaning of these machines...but could you go over it one more 
time?

What to use on the metal to clean it and also what to use on the 
wooden cabinet to clean the wood?

Thanks for all your help?

Checking my mail each day for more FWFanatics is the highlight of my 
day.  Thank you so much Sue!

judy
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:40:24 GMT
Subject: Information

I am searching for a Featherweight model #221 to purchase for my mother.  Can 
you help me find someone in the Pennsylvania area?  I;m lost when it comes to 
sewing machines, and I need as much help as possible.

Hope you can help!!!
Thank You!

Stephanie G
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:29:59 -0400
Subject: NA serial numbers

To Sheri B 
I have been told twice by Singer that they did not have any infor on NA
series serial numbers.  Once I was told that by the lady that she did
not know why.  Last time when I called about the 301A's I was told that
they did not have any info on machines past 1960.  I believe that I read
in the FW Archives somewhere that the NA serial numbers corresponded to
machines made at the Anderson SC plant (machines with A after the model
number) and that there was no info from that plant.  Anyone have a
definitive answer for us?
-- 
James
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:32:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: The Spartan in the Trunk


No, that is not the title of a mystery story about a murder in central
Greece.  I treated myself to a trip to the local Salvation Army Thrift
Store last Saturday morning.  The 66 that they had is gone, but I was
looking at a White portable in a VERY beat-up case when one of the workers
comes up and says "Are you looking for a sewing machine??"  Of course I
said yes, and he disappears, and I'm wondering if the Featherwieght Fairy
is about to bless me with an incredible find.  What he came back with was
indeed a small black Singer machine -- but a Spartan.  So now I have a
dilemma.  I really had a White rotary portable in mind, BUT the Spartan is
more likely to be a working machine AND I now already have two shuttle
machines BUT I wouldn't want the Spartan to be mistaken for a toy and be
abused by some barbarian, etc. etc.  Price on both was the same: $14.95. 
I don't know what the deciding factor was, but the Spartan and I left
together Saturday afternoon.  It spent the next day or so in the trunk,
more or less waiting for an opportunity for me to -- ahem! -- shall we say
-- ahem! -- get in into the sewing room -- ahem! -- unnoticed.  Well,
Sunday (yesterday) evening DH did his usual lunch and weekly money run to the
bank, and LMTS (large mouthy teenage son) was tucked away reading in the
livingroom, and besides, I had to get the Father's day stuff out of the trunk
since I'm going out of town tomorrow and Wednesday.  So the Dad's Day
goodies and the Spartan made it upstairs without comment.  BTW, on the way
out from the Thrift store to the car with the machine I noticed the belt was
broken, so I'm into it another $6.00.  I don't think I care.

I also know I have a number of attachment sets which would more than
likely fit the White shuttle which is sitting there rather forlornly on
the floor back at the Thrift Shop.  If she's still around next weekend, we
may do someting foolish.....

A request: a member of my quilt group unearthed her treadle while we were
meeting there last week.  It's a White Rotary, SN2620432.  Can someone
please provide an approimate date for it??

For Lois:  From your description I'd say you have a Model 128-.
 The shuttle bobbin and slide plates sound right.  A Singer dealer told me
they don't make the keys anymore but that you can open the case lock with
the blade of a small screwdriver.  If you're not that adventurous, contact
Gene Baker at bakerinc@esinet.net.  He had keys available a couple of
months ago, and I bought three from him.  They also work on treadle
cabinet locks.

For Rita: Current e-mail address for A Stitch Back In Time is:
penneyg@nts-online.net.

I will be in Chicago for business-related meetings the next two days.  One
of the other folks who is going is orchestrating a trip to a White Sox
game for tomorrow evening when we're on our own.  However, I have let him
know that if it rains I expect him to find us an All-Night Antique Mall or
Flea Market.  You never know.....


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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:01:29 -0400
Subject: Re: FW scale

What is Graham's criteria for "grading" a FW? Is there somewhere I can find
it? I have owned a FW since 1956. It was my first SM and I vowed never to
part with it. I have two daughters and a granddaughter who would like it! It
has sewed miles of dresses and draperies, and every thing wearable since I
rec'd it. I now own a Bernina 1260 and am sewing quilts. The FW goes with me
in our motorhome as we plan retirement and I can take it along. I also have a
1923 or 1921 Singer treadle that DH restored the cabinet for. The poor old
cabinet had green, yellow, blue layers of paint on it and part of the wood
veneer was gone. It now has a lovely oak cabinet that he tried to get as
close to original as we could figure out. It sews well and it is fun too.
Also have the original instruction book in not very good shape with first 3
pages missing.  I had no idea there were so many out there who like old
machines too. Glad to have found this board.
Ann
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:46:52 -0400
Subject: Krisi's compilation

Dear Krisi

Thanks for doing so much work in educating all the FWFers (New word?)

We really appreciate your  devotion.

I am still finding machines in the Orlando, Fl. area but prices are
definately going up!   Evidently,the word is out among the antique-junk
dealers and repair persons.  The are all telling me how RARE the machines
are and I had better grab them up.  (At inflated prices)  Only one was in
great shape and the rest range from cut cords with lamp plugs basted on to
no gold and no attachments with the cases beaten up.

Tables are much harder to find!

Jeanann
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:17:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Models 301 and 15 

Didn't get the 7 Jun FWF so this may be a repeat.  Apologies if so.

First of all, let me say thanks to all of you who responded to my earlier 
post about a Model 15-91 I was considering.  You saved me from making a 
BIG mistake (Maggie, Rosemary, Karen &Ingrid).

On to the 301.  This seems like old news now, but it's really less than 
two weeks since I found her -- my two tone oyster white/beige 301A.  I'd 
never even laid eyes on one before, but thanks to this list I was 
primed.  It's truly in fantastic shape, looks like it was hardly used and 
I was able to sit down and try it right in the middle of a flea market 
before I bought it.  It's a two cord model with the shorter extension 
bed.  It came with a  case, but unfortunately no attachments or 
manual.  I've since gotten a copy of the manual -- thanks Chris -- and 
can't wait to find one of every original attachment.  This $40 machine 
may end up costing hundreds!  This guy has another 301A which is missing 
its foot pedal (single plug type) and I'm considering it as well.

It's even inspired me to get busy on a few quilt projects.  The quality 
of the stitch is terrific and it just hums along.  The funny part is when 
I received the copy of the manual, I discovered the bobbin was threaded 
slightly wrong.  It still sewed a near perfect stitch and much better 
than my "modern" Singer.

So anyone got any spare 301 parts taking up space they want to get rid 
of?  Let me hear from you!

For Dawn  -- Singer says your 222K EL182834 was born on March 2, 56.

Joan
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:13:04, -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics 6/9/96

Sue, thanks so much for your work in keeping all of us informed and 
entertained!  Does anyone have a FW cabinet for sale?  If so, please 
e-mail me.  I have a FW table for sale.  Needs to be refinished but 
is in great working order.  $175 plus shipping ($38).  I haven't run 
upon any fantastic bargains recently.  Did see a small fold out oak (?
) attachment box, lined with velvet and the dealer wants $45.  If 
anybody wants me to go back for it, let me know.  I recently saw 
wooden thread spools for $2.00 each!!  Is this out of line or am I 
just out of touch?  Did manage to pick up a Singer buttonhole 
attachment (#121795), in box with manual for $3.00.  Small thrills 
are exciting too!
Stuart
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:51:56 -0500
Subject: True Rewards

To Kolleen, thanks for sharing your post about the FW in a cabinet.  I was
reading as fast as I could to see if you got it!  Congratulations.
It inspired me to get up in the morning and check out the garage sales as
there are four listed with sewing machines.  Well, I did see the sewing
machines and didn't buy but you never know when it will be something good.


Carol
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:21:46 -0400

Hi:

To Krisi S 

I'd like to say thanks for your work in compiling the FW database.  I've
just posted info on my most recent purchase and intend to submit info on the
remaining  8 that I have.  I'm only sorry I hadn't posted on the others that
I've sold over the past 3 years.    It's interesting that you estimate that
over 2 1/2 million FW's were produced -- it means there is hope for all of
us in our obsessive pursuit.  A sad note however is the fact that dealers
were instructed to destroy all FW's that they received as trade-ins on
larger models.  This policy by Singer certainly  caused the destruction of
hundreds of thousands of the LBB's (little black beauties).

To:  Lisa 

$650 is very steep by any measure for a basic FW (freearms excluded of
course).  I've seen dealers at some flea markets asking prices in excess of
$500 for condition 5 FW's.  I have a hard time not getting hysterical with
laughter at such idiots ... the machines are often dirty, incomplete and the
dealer doesn't even know if it runs.   The only thing that will stop such
nonsense is to simply walk away -- their prices will come down to some
reasonable level.

An even better approach that I often cannot resist,  is to offer the dealer
$150 or $175 CASH (emphasis on the word CASH) for the machine.   They of
course initially say no way, and I then proceed to rattle off a long list of
reasons why the machine must be discounted  (i.e. no oil can; no manual; no
accessories; plug in bad shape; not an anniversary model;  case is the wrong
one for the age of the machine; case in poor condition; bobbin case missing;
gold trim worn off. (all of this is done in a very knowing and authoritative
way of course).    Towards the end of my lecture to the dealer I have opened
my wallet and have 20's &50's in hand -- all the dealer can think about is
the CASH.    If the dealer got the FW for some low cost (often the
circumstance for dealers who clean out houses for a living),  he'll usually
say OK.   Try this technique it works all the time with the right kind of
dealer.

Advise all your friends not to pay unreasonable prices.  Average machines
should sell below $325 -- exceptionally clean or rare varieties( white, tan,
freearm) are higher.  

Good hunting ( found 4 this week, bought 2, sold 2).

Thanks for listening
Bob C
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:21:24 -0800
Subject: Oh no three more + one!

I just thought I would write about the three new to me singer 
machines I just got. 

I found in an antique store a 1923 series 66 that was a treadle 
converted to electric the gold is almost perfect with the red going 
through it.

Then I got one from Tiffin sewing machines in Ohio. it is also a 66 
born in 1947 very nice machine the gold is a little worn but it sews 
very nice.  Thanks Mike.

The other is a 201 that I got from Jim Sorrel here in Chico, 
California Its a beauty she is a 1951,  he also put it in a 1936 cabinet 
that even has a holder for the oil can.  She sews very nice also

The 1923 does not have reverse, the 1947 has reverse, the 1951 has 
reverse and a nob to lower the feed dogs.

Awhile back  I bought a kenmore sewing machine model # 117-959
it is a reddish brown color and has a rippled finish it came in a 
beautiful mahongany cabinet with four drawers.  If anyone knows 
anything about this machine any information would be greatly 
appreciated.  Thanks
Lori S
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:59:17 PST
Subject:  ISMACS

Gary, you and any other interested parties can join ISMACS by sending a check 
for $37 made out to ISMACS to
Sharon Tedrow, POB 336,Orcas, Washington 98280
She will forward to London.
Sandy W
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:57:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Singer model 66-1

I have a Singer 66-1 that is missing the sliding plate that covers
the bobbin.  Does anyone know of someplace I can get one?  I finally
found a treadle table for it, and it sews beautifully, but I need to
get a throat plate -- it's a real pain to have the bobbin pop up
as you're sewing along!  Any info pointing me in the right direction
would be appreciated...

Thanks,
Terri
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:03:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Odds and Ends

To Dawn -  Congratulations.  That 222K must have been waiting for you. 
Yes, I agree with you about the prices.  If everyone would let us know
what they paid, then others would know if something is overpriced.  

Henrietta - I just looked up Blue Hill in my Atlas.  What a great place to
live.  If all goes as planned the DH and I will be in Camden the week of
July 15th.

Bobbie -  The check is in the mail.  Thanks for all your work.

Linda - Is that big fire anywhere near you?  I hope not.

Christine - I haven't had a desire for a 301 but after hearing your story
I think I might want one.  Email me about camp.  I've never been to one
but I have my FWs ready.

Rita - Some Spartans have cases and some don't.  One of ours has a black
plastic base.  The other has a green base and a rounded green top that
latches on.  The black base has no hardware for a top.  Maybe the green
case was an option.  Spartans are very much like 99s and they sew just as
well.  As for the price, you have to consider where you live and what its
worth to you.  Ours were cheaper than $35 but we got them in thrift stores.

I'm sorry I have no stories to tell.  Haven't been looking for a while.  I
will try to do some garage sales this weekend and I may go to an auction
Weds. but you don't usually get bargains at auctions.  Don't know where I
would put another machine if I found one, but I know I'd find a place for
another FW.

Marilyn
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:50:57 -0400

Hi:

For those newcomers to the list -- I'm interested in trading one  (or more)
of my  Singer Featherweights in exchange for some toy sewing machines.  I'm
interested in any of the following toy machines:

"Little Mother" by Artcraft Metal Products

Older Casige models in good shape including #6; Sunflowers;  Little Red
Riding Hood; Sew-O-Matic;  various Art Deco models.

Gateway "Rotar Model NP-8"

Genero Machine Works "Gurlee"

Hoge Mfg. Co.  "No 325 - Popular Model-Little Princess"

Made in Germany - Vielfach Geschutz "Liliputian"

Lindstrom Tool &Toy Co. "Little Miss"  Shirley Temple 

F.W. Muller - any models pre WWII. (including toy treadles, Models 16, 18, 21)

Schurhoff and Co. "Gold Rain'

Sears Roebuck Kenmore by National Sewing Machine Co. "bright red" 1930"s and
1940"s

Sotoy "Martha Washington"


If you have any of these toys or know any serious collectors please let me 
know.

Thanks

Bob C
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Date: 11 Jun 1996 12:52:11 +0000
Subject: Stuff

To Lisa:

The quart size oil can you passed up...(it was Singer, wasn't it?) .do you 
remember how much they were asking?  I agree with you about the 
prices---$500-650 seems rather pricey to me....I know of a machine near me I 
went to look at they said they reduced the price 2X and now it's at $275.00. 
 It's about 7 1/2 maybe.  Case is so-so, no manual, not all attachments. 
 The machine did not sew when I turned it on....was thick with zuck,needed 
cleaned.  I did not feel I should fix it up to pay $275, so I offered them 
$200 and would buy "as is."  They refused the offer and fooled around with 
it, cleaned and oiled, etc., and said it now sews.  So I offered them $210. 
 This was a number of weeks ago.  It is still in the paper....I wanted to 
buy it for my sister who was born in 1946, same as the FW....I told them to 
keep my number....I have 6, so I am always interested, but not in "store" 
prices.  I know a very good dealer who sells them for $400 in tip-top 
condition...the thought of paying 5 to 650 for a private sale...unless it 
were brand new in the box never used, I would not consider it....it's not 
really like buying stock, I think of it as a more personal thing and the 
marketplace sure is changing....

Anyway, enough editorializing for now...your treasure sound so 
appealing...but what do you mean by "I probably paid foo much....for the oil 
cans...re the ads, I love them, they are so-o-o pretty.  I want to mat &
frame a number of mine and be able to see them...I have the 4 vol set of the 
singer sewing books.  It's funny, I got them some time ago, simply because I 
liked them, as I do all sewing (especially Singer) stuff never dreaming that 
my "stuff" would become desirable to others.  I used to ask around in shops 
for sewing stuff and Singer, but almost never...just a blank look, like 
"WHAT??"  One guy offered me an empty box for the darning attachment for 
$20....ha!  I also have several copies of the Mary Brooks Pickens book (1 
with cover) and love it.

To Charlotte:

I looked in my little blue book (1996/97) Sewing Machine Blue Book and 
didn't see a Singer 617U listed anywhere; took a quick look at other models 
and didn't find it right away...I'll look again tho'.

Bye for now
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:37:00 -0400

To Ann and others new to the group;

You can find Graham's FW condition (appearance) grading scale on the
FWFanatics homepage at      http://quilt.com/fwf

Thanks for listening 
Bob C
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:04:34 -0800
Subject: Look at these birthdates/301's

 >       baby sister an AM born 1/23/57 also a 9 1/2.  
To Jeanie, this is amazing! I just got a FW last Friday that is 
AM680524  born 29 Jan 1957. I would thing that they are from the same 
lot. Mine was made in Elizabeth, New Jersey. Mine is about a 9.

Does anyone have any 301's for sale?
Rosemary
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Date: 11 Jun 1996 15:42:23 +0000
Subject: Stuff


Sperm Oil?  For a White (or anything?) Where can one purchase this....it 
sounds interesting to say the least....if anyone finds it, please be sure 
to tell all of us....

To Rosemary:

Great luck on the Pinking Attachment...I don't have the foggiest idea of a 
"fair" price...I know I sure want one.  Thanks for the description...you 
never know when you might run across one.  This is how I found the Singer 
Craft thing (for rugs)....I wasn't sure what it was, but it said Singer so 
natually, my mother didn't raise a fool, I got it...along with a number of 
other goodies....if you don't get this, Rosemary, PLEEZE let me know (but I 
suspect you will!)  And should!

About the Bentwood cases:  who ever makes the reproduction ones could 
probably sell you them if you could determine who they are.  My singer guy 
has them in his place all the time for repair, so they would probably know 
who makes them.  They look pretty much like the original ones to me, anyway.

About a rusted throat plate:  I once asked what a replacement one would cost 
(looking for the ones with the measurements) and the price from Singer was 
$79.95, plus 6% tax....I have a number of brandnew throat plates I picked 
up, am not sure what they fit since I haven't gotten around to figuring it 
out......I would think a machine you paid $200 for should be in good working 
condition.  If it was under $100, I would take my chances...but that's only 
me.

To Jeanie B:  Congrats on your 2 babies, especially the AM one...my elusive 
dream is an AM or later...where are the machines that were made up to 
1964????

General:

I was wondering WHY....why can't Singer give dates on machines past 1960? 
 There must be a way....I just can't believe they kept records for 100 years 
and then decided:  let's not do it anymore...it doesn't make sense to me.

What happened to those 301's for $100 in New Jersey?  I haven't heard yet 
where they are...I would sure love to know....

To Lydia:

Who always makes me laugh...I am so prooooud of you that you didn't pass up 
the Spartan in the Trunk...also your behaviour in working around checking it 
out ....in privacy...

I agree about the screwdriver &flashlight...they should always be in your 
possession, even more important than lipstick...

To Jeanann  
What kind of prices are you talking about in Orlando?  Since I have family 
down there, this interests me...
 Mary
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:08:34 -0700
Subject: ORIGINAL Featherweight manuals

Someone (I think Stan) mentioned a source for ORIGINAL
Featherweight manuals (the small green ones) about a
month ago:

    Jackie Gamage
    Homegroan
    Nevada City, CA
    916/265-2924

I just received my manual after ordering it 3 days
ago, and I'm very pleased. It cost me $15 + $1 (shipping)
+ CA state tax.  If you are looking for original manuals,
sewing collectibles, Singer items, etc., give her a call.
No affiliation.

-Lisa 
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Subject: 301 serial #s, etc.
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:08:43 -0500

First, to Courtney:  Get Well, soon!!  My thoughts and prayers are with 
you.  May you be like our beloved Singers, that with a little TLC are up 
and humming along in no time!

To James W :  301 serial numbers, dates and place of manufacture are 
puzzle pieces to be put together, with very little help from Singer.  We 
believe, according to a chart Graham posted long ago, that NA and NB 
serial numbers belong to the Anderson, SC plant.  Singer will sometimes 
even tell you that a 301 was made in Anderson, but sometimes they will 
claim they don't know.  According to our 301 mini-survey about six weeks 
ago, ALL 301s and 301As have NA or NB serial numbers and BOTH  301 and 
301A owners had been told Anderson as the place of manufacture. So if 
that information is correct, the *A* after the model 301 does not 
necessarily seem to designate the Anderson plant as opposed to another 
(unless Singer added the A as an afterthought?  :)  )  Also, do not 
confuse the A in 301A with the A in the NA serial number.  The 301 
machines in our survey all had NA serial numbers, while the 301A models 
had both NA and NB serial numbers.  According to our small (twenty or so 
machines) survey, it appears that the 301A is simply a slightly later 
version of the 301,  as the 301As all have serial numbers of a later 
sequence than 301s.  MOST (but not all) of the 301s were double plugs, 
short (2+") bed extensions, and black in color.  There's more variety in 
the 301As.

To Kolleen:  Thanks for putting into words the dilemma of feeling 
wistful at others' great finds, yet also wanting to share when it 
happens to us!  One of the great things about FWF is the gamut of 
emotions we share in the quest for these machines.  It is such a 
friendly place that it is OK to share both our joys and our 
disappointments.  Like Katy, when we read stories of great finds, we can 
be encouraged that yes, they are still out there, and many of us will 
find them sooner or later (our agony comes *cuz we'd like them sooner, 
please!).  So, congratulations on your BEAUTIFUL find, and keep on 
sharing (everyone)!

My last post got bounced, so I'll try this again.  E-mail is acting 
strangely these days.

Joy 
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Date:          Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:43:27 +0000
Subject:       New Machines/Parts/Attachments

Hi Folks!

How is everyone in FW Land? I just picked up two more machines in as 
many days :). One is a model 128 in the bentwood case and the other 
is a handcrank 99. My first handcrank! When I got to the house to 
look at it, I found out it was being sold by the lady that was my 
secret pal in our quilt guild a few years back. Haven't had much 
chance to look at it yet. 

I have picked up some pretty tough looking machines lately, some of 
which are strictly for parts. So if anyone needs parts for a 201, 66, 
301, or 99, please e-mail. I'll try to figure out a fair price. I 
have face plates, round back plates, throat plates, bobbin winders, 
tension assemblies etc. etc. etc. Let me know what you need. 

I also have a complete set of 99k attachments in the green Singer 
box, box has some tape. I am asking $39 plus shipping. E-mail if 
interested.

Have a great day, Katy
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:51:16 EDT
Subject: Singer Keys

FWF's

We do still have keys for the "Bentwood" Cases and for the BLACK and GREEN
"Featherweight" Cases and will try to keep a couple of extras for anyone
who needs them.  Lydia says the fit old tredle cabinets, but we were not
aware of that.  $5 per key plus a stamped, self-addressed envelope.  Add 
more stamps for extra keys.  Send to:
                                Gene Baker
                                P.O. Box 7744
                                Charlottesville, Virginia 22906
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 15:02:13 EDT
Subject: wooden spools

Stuart,	
	I'm Wooden Spool Antiques and yes $2.00 each for wooden spools is out of 
line unless they were extra large, or very unusual.  Of course I'm out in the 
country so sometimes I am surprised but believe me I sell mine for much less. 

Ann
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Date:          Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:59:34 +0000
Subject:       book for treadle

Hello all - did an earlier posting re: old treadle (in bad shape) I 
was given.  Since found out it was "born" March 18, 1904.  Anyway, is 
there any type of book out there that at one time went with this 
machine?  Any info would be appreciated!!

judy
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:27:08 -0700
Subject: I found a Treadle machine!

Greetings all,
I discovered on old Singer treadle machine stored away. Dates on the
machine(stitch plate) are 1910-1911.(WOW!) I couldn't dig deep enough 
or see well enough (it was kinda dark in the storage shed!) to find a 
model or serial number. It's been stored for about 20 years. A bit 
rusty in some spots, needs a new belt and lots of TLC.
Did I mention it's still in the original cabinet??
O.K., so... how much do you think it's worth? What is the best thing
to do as far as getting it into "working order"? How do I go about 
"assessing what the proper value is? (in it's current condition!) Any 
knowledgeable people you can recommend in the south San Francisco Bay 
Area who would give me good expert advice? My neighbor wants to sell 
it and I want to make a fair offer to her.
I don't know much about treadle machines but I think THIS IS A FIND!
I can be reached by E-mail 
..sonja
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Date: 11 Jun 96 17:47:28 EDT
Subject: Contributio

To Rosemary

Afraid you've caught me on the pinking attatchment. I've never seen a Singer
such as you describe that is driven by the machine. Sounds like fun. There was 
a
delightful Singer Pinker which was aa self-contained machine about the size of 
a
Singer toy Model 20. All black with gold decor just like the machine.

To Ginny

Last time anyone checked there were about 200 different needles available in 
the
old catalogues. They vary as to size, thickness, groove, eye position, shank
etc. Best bet is to take one to your sm shop and get a packet to match. Most
needles are available for the polular early machines. It's when you need curved
needles for pre No-8 Wheeler and Wilson or Grover and Baker machines that the
trouble starts.
Some early chain-stitch machines used tambour needles with a hook rather then 
an
eye and I don't think these are available anywhere.
Oil from the Sperm Whale was thought to be less congealing (is that a word?) 
and
was specifies by early manufacturers. Any well-refined sewing-machine oil will
do the job and nowaday it won't clog everything up.

To Ann and others 

Herwith a re-post of the grading scale. It's a screen dump from some of the
stugff we send out as a starter kit to new ISMACS members Glad it appears to be
useful

Condition chart
GRAHAM F 's chart is now universally used to determine machine condition,
so that when machines are described among collectors, in member's 
advertisements
and in the auction reports, we can all have some better idea of the state of 
the
items than good, very good or poor.
This scale takes no notice of mechanical condition. If something is broken or
missing this should be stated, not hidden behind a number.

10:  Just like the day it left the factory. Not a scratch or mark upon it. I
think I have every seen only two machines in this category.
9:   As 10 but with the small, odd scratch or wear mark evident to very close
inspection.
8:  Very good used condition. All paint good; all metalwork bright. What the
average antique dealer would call "perfect".
7:  Good condition but rubbing of paint evident and some nickel worn.
6:  As in 7 but more wear to paint and some surface rust to the bright work.
5: The average, hard-used, ill-cared-for machine looking for someone to love 
it.
4:  Poor condition, chipped enamel, rusty metalwork but acceptable for a
collection if a rare machine.
3:  In need of restoration but a reasonable job for a dedicated enthusiast.
2:  Total restoration needed to paintwork and bright metal. It's a brave
collector that takes it on.
1: Spare parts only and these would be in need of extensive restoration.

This system seems to have worked well over the past 10 years and I commend it 
to
members.

To all 

 If the Singer Recognition Manual is a little late getting to all those who
ordered a copy from Bobbie Kopf, it's my fault. Seems wehen I sent out the 
stuff
to the States I omited  one of the pages. Now on its way.

Best wishes from heat wave London
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:33:29 -0400
Subject: Featherweight's black box

Hello Fellow FWF's!

I just wanted to tell everyone what I had done to my "black" FW box.

 The carrying box that came with my FW machine was totaled out.  A real
mess!!!  It had sat in a mildew basement for a long time by the looks and
SMELL of it!  PHEW!!
Anyway, the black cloth was very loose and barely attached on the edges only.
 Amazingly enough though, both the latches and handle were intact.

I've heard that a few people have refinished the wood underneath, so I gave
it a whirle.  After ripping (holding my nose at the same time) the mildewy
black cloth off, I had to re-glue most of the box.  It had come apart all
over.  The bottom was out and the lid fell off, along with a lot of places on
the sides.  Each side of the box is made up of about 4 sections of wood in
varying widths and then glued together.  The corners are "finger jointed"
(notches that interlock together with the other side corners).  This helped
in the re-glueing process. 

After glueing, I sanded it well and stained it with "Min-wax" puritain pine
color, painted the inside with black paint, then varnished it.  WellAhhhh!!!
 I now have a beautiful wood stained box for my FW to reside in.

It really does look nice and smells a whole lot better too!  It's not "black"
anymore but heck, it's still my FW box, and now usuable.

So don't give up hope if your FW box is a disaster.  I'm here to say "What's
underneath is just as beautiful (if not more!)"   :)))

Thanks for listening.
Terri 
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Subject: My finds ....and 99k questions
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:11:18 GMT

My DH went garage-sailing this weekend for me (think I'm finally getting him
trained right! ;) ) and brought home a machine I didn't recognize. A black
Singer with the thread tension on the back of the faceplate. I knew it wasn't a
66, and I thought it was too big for a 99--maybe a 201? I had to wait until
Monday to call Singer and find out it was a model 15 born Sept.26, 1933. The
machine is in excellent shape, but the maroon and grasscloth case has 
definitely
seen better days. So far I've resisted the temptation to see what kind of wood
is underneath and whether it would be a candidate for refinishing.
I had problems with the stitching, and took the shuttle all apart, thinking
there might be thread stuck in it. Problem was, every time I'd get stitching a
little fast, the little arm on the bobbin case would slip out of the slot far
enough to drop down. Instead of oscillating, the thread would tangle on the
case. Turns out the arm on the bobbin case had been bent almost straight. I 
bent
it back into a curve a little at a time until it seated into the little slot on
the shuttle. Sews beautifully now...

The next day we went to the Mall and I wandered into the Goodwill store and
wandered back out with a green egg-shaped box with a complete buttonholer and a
box  of 4 extra templates for $1.50. I have to say that the old buttonholer
makes nicer buttonholes than my _much_ more expensive Pfaff. (Pffaf,BTW, has
been doing a lot of pouting in the corner lately as I play with all of my new
toys)
On down the mall, I discovered a sewing shop I didn't know was there-well ,of
course I went in. The owner came over and asked if he could help me--I replied
only "My husbands going to kill me". I was looking at a beautiful 99k with a
serial number starting with EN and a matching maroon and grasscloth case. Price
was $35.00. Well, I didn't buy it, figuring I had already got enough for the
weekend. But I wanted it,oooooooh.

Well, my DH (and today he's definitely a "DEAR " H) called this afternoon and
bought it. What a sweetie, eh?

BTW, what's a serial number EN? Around 1957? Will all of the low shank
attachments that work on the model 15 also work on the 99? Is the bobbin on the
99k what I've seen called "66 class"?

Laurie
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:04:39 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: The Forsdyke Scale

First of all I'd like to thank Marilyn, Laurie, Rosemary and Joan for 
finding out the birthdate of my 222k, it is a 222k Marilyn, it says so 
right on the little plate below the medallion. I WILL reply to you all
in a few days, I'm just extra busy making exchange blocks at the moment!
 
Gene B 
 
Your 617U was made in Utsunomiga, Japan. The letter after a model # 
tells you what factory the machine was made in. I have a list of these 
if anyone wants a copy.
 
Ann: I was going to email this to you but I thought there's probably a 
lot of other newbies that might like it also:-
 
The Forsdyke Scale  - Sewing Machines
 
Graham Forsdyke's chart is now universally used to determine machine 
condition, so that when machines are described among collectors, in 
member's advertisements and in the auction reports, we can all have some 
better idea of the state of the items than good, very good or poor.
This scale takes no notice of mechanical condition. If something is 
broken or missing this should be stated, not hidden behind a number.
 
10: Just like the day it left the factory. Not a scratch or mark upon 
    it. I think I have every seen only two machines in this category.
9:  As 10 but with the small, odd scratch or wear mark evident to very 
    close inspection.
8:  Very good used condition. All paint good; all metalwork bright. What 
    the average antique dealer would call "perfect".
7:  Good condition but rubbing of paint evident and some nickel plating 
    worn.
6:  As in 7 but more wear to paint and some surface rust to the bright 
    work.
5:  The average, hard-used, ill-cared-for machine looking for someone to 
    love it.
4:  Poor condition, chipped enamel, rusty metalwork but acceptable for a 
    collection if a rare machine.
3:  In need of restoration but a reasonable job for a dedicated 
    enthusiast.
2:  Total restoration needed to paintwork and bright metal. It's a brave 
    collector that takes it on.
1:  Spare parts only and these would be in need of extensive restoration.
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Date: 11 Jun 96 20:25:11 EDT
Subject: Sewing/Spinning?

This was on the Weaving List. Can anyone comment? A sewing machine/spinning 
wheel combination?

Thanks...I'll let the weaving list know if this is fact or fantasy.

Charlene
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:25:00 -0400
Subject: Sewing machines/elec spinners

Mitzy wrote:

>I also have plans for an electric spinner made out of an old sewing machine
motor.

This isn't as farfetched as you might think.  I understand some early sewing
machines (probably treadle machines, before the advent of electrified ones)
did double duty: they had a spindle point so you could either sew or spin
with them.  I've never seen such a machine, tho.  Has anyone on the list?

Ruth
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:44:27 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 

On my wayward search for the ever elusive featherweight, I found a treadle.
 I knew this would happen sooner or later.  I vaugely mentioned the treadle
to my husband as I inched out the door.  He said HOW MUCH?  I said 75$, but I
will only get it if It is in mint condition!!!  Thinking that statement might
persuade him so I could be on my way.  He mumbled something about 50$.....I
smiled and headed out the door.  

I was ready for this to be a disappointment, so many ventures have been.  But
not this time.  It was a Singer, and the sewing machine head was in excellent
shape.  No gold,red, or green paint missing on this one.  The metal on the
treadle base was in good shape, no rust.  Th cabinet was darkened with age,
but I could tell that once it was fine Oak.  The shallac finish was peeling,
but no water damage visable.

This was my lucky day.  I asked her if she would take 50$.  Her Husband said
60.  I mentioned my DH said I could spend 50, explaining about "You know how
husbands can be!"  He said I really could not take less than 55.  He said he
had originally wanted 125$.  I agreed on the price.  After all, I am no dummy
to bicker over 5$.  Besides deep down I felt It was worth more.  But I did
have a husband to come home to.

I was surprised when my husband seemed pleased when I brought my treasure
home.  I proadly announced I was going to refinish it...even though I had
never done refinishing before.  He wanted to help!!!!!  In fact he took right
over and got down right excited about it.  

I only wish I could show you all a photo of it.  It is a beauty!!!!  All
shined up and looking like the day she came out of the factory.  She works
beautifully after DH lubricated her properly.  

I believe she is from the 1920s, a drop in bobbin (top loading), and red gold
and some green ornate scrolling all over.  It is just as exciting as when I
first got my FW.  Can I date her if I call SInger? Now I keep running into
treadles everywhere.  But none as nice as mine!!!!!!  

I am so glad that I get FWF.  I have learned so much.  I have also learned to
have a little patience.  The right machine will come along.  Glad I waited
for my mint condition treadle.  Oh !  I almost forgot!!!  Is it a 66 model???
 It has a hole for electrifying.  My exact machine is the one pictured on the
front of that fairly recent issue of Miniature Quilts (only that one is a
poraible).  Does anyone know if it is a 66???

 Lynne
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Date: 11 Jun 96 18:45:17 EDT
Subject: contribution

Graham F of ISMACS has asked me to post this as his computer has softwear
problems.

He is receiving and reading mail but every time he tries to send mail his
softwear crashes. He has asked me to tell you that he will answer all
outstanding queries, as soon as he is back in business.

I'm Maggie, walker of the Dizzie dog, editor of ISMACS News and currently
burning the midnight oil to get No.52 to press ready for the printer. It will 
be
posted by the end of June for existing members, and a good time to join for all
of you who are still thinking about it. You now have my number.

All the best. Maggie
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 21:21:31 -0400
Subject: Re:Information needed.

I need help as quickly as someone can help me.  I sent a message on the 7th,
but evidently it did not go through.  I have found a treadle machine at a
Thrift store.  It is a model #17 that was made in NJ.   It was made on
7-11-17.  The cabinet is in pretty good shape, except the veneer is missing
off of the very top of the part that folds back to get the machine out.  The
machine itself looks to be in very good condition....good colors.  It  does
sew.  They are asking $125 for it.  I want to know if it is a good deal.  I
need to know, so that I won't miss getting it. Can someone help me?
Also, he had a 3/4 singer machine.  It is a model 128 (centennial model).  It
was also made in NJ on 7-26-51.  It looked in pretty rough shape.  It looked
like it belonged in a cabinet, but there wasn't one.  He wants $30 for it.
 If anyone is interested, let me know, and I will get it for you.  Thank you
for any help that you can give.

Marci
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:58:42 +0000
Subject: 60's buttonholer

To Nancy,

I'm little behind in my FWF.  I just read about your find of a "Singer
buttonhole attachment (1960) in a very funny oval pink plastic case (a
flying saucer lookalike)."

Well, my husband found one for me at a junk shop last week.  He paid 
$2 for it.  He never buys sewing things for me, but we love 
Art Deco and 50's futuristic things, and he couldn't resist the funky 
box design.  The serial number is 160506.  I'm going to try it on my 
machine this weekend to see if it will work (I have a Touch and Sew 
750).

Sharon
FW-owner wannabee
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Subject: Acquisition of White Sewing Machine
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 23:10:00 EST

Hello to all FWF from Gail in Virginia.  I've read the posting everyday for 
three months now and decided to post for the first time.  I am an avid 
quilter and amateur SM collector.  I have two FWs which I recently acquired 
after looking and waiting  on lists with dealers for three years.  I am very 
happy with my FW 221s and feel truly fortunate to have these beauties.  My 
first FW, probably a 6+ on the scale, was purchased from Dale Pickens in OK 
for $350.   It was love at first sight and I use it almost daily.  I wanted 
another in (mint) condition to add to my collection and found one advertised 
right here on the FWF, which I acquired about a month ago from a dealer in 
Calif.  It is in excellant condition with original manual, case and 
accessories and shines like a new penny, with one tiny scratch near the 
throat plate.  I feel that this baby was practically never used but well 
cared for in storage, probably a 9 on the scale, if not a 10 (to me anyway). 
 I won't say what I paid for it for fear that my DH may find out.  I plan on 
displaying this machine in the Virginia Quilt Museum in Harrisonburg, VA. 
(I've been warned to remove the bobbin case before display, thanks FWF!)

 I have also purchased from a quild member just today, a White Manufacturing 
Company SM Treadle Vibrating self-threading Shuttle Model No. 25, SN 
#1457581(original cost  $65.00 in 1905) with Automatic lift in the original 
oak cabinet (now dark with age), belt, accessories (ruffler, tuck foot, edge 
braid, quilt guide, hemming, felling) and complete with original manual, 
bill of sale and certificate of warranty.  The original manufacture date: 
May 16, 1905.  The dealer  A. H. Baker, 682 Columbia Avenue, Lancaster, PA. 
and sold to M. H. Enck, Lexington, Pa on June 26, 1905.  The manual is 
interesting reading although it is in rather fragile condition.  The head is 
black with beautiful floral designs in color on the head.  It needed some 
cleaning and cobweb removal.  It appears to work although I need to practice 
operating the treadle.  I must be so uncoordinated.

I have information in my booklet on other models #22,24, 27,28, 29,35 for 
anyone who may wish.

To Sue, I look forward to reading every day.  A great big Thanks!
To Krisi , The database information is truly interesting, I am so glad 
I found this site and even happier that I'm registered too.
To Graham, Love the stories, I archive each one.  You are a gifted writer 
and we all benefit.
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Date:	Tue, 11 Jun 1996 21:56:03 -0700
Subject: Little Foot and subscribing

FWF sounds like a lot of fun, and I too love my featherweight.  I would 
like to subscribe to your group.  Right now, I'm interested in an ad I 
saw in the May issue of QNM.  It is for a 1/4" foot for featherweights 
called the LITTLE FOOT.  Do you know anything about this.  I don't want 
to send money down on a lark.  If it really works on FW's it would be 
wonderful. Please let me know asap as I go on holidays at the end of the 
month and would like to send away for it before then.  Tks and good luck.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:53:27 -0800
Subject: "New" FW machine

Well, I'm finally sending a message to this group. I have been lurking in
this group for at least 4 months but never had anything to contribute to it
until a month or so ago when I purchased my first FW. Thanks, Joyce!  I
bought a 1936 FW. I have not even "dug" for the serial number or even had
much time to play with it yet. A fellow quilter here is very knowledgeable
about these machines, so I know I can get her to help me whenever I need it. 

The machine is in great working condition but the case needs desperate TLC.
I polished it up and it now looks 150% better but still needs some new parts
on the case. Glenn Williams is helping me out with a new handle and latch
but, it in communicating with him, I discovered that my case is supposed to
have a tray that fits the top of the case inside.  He suggested that I try
to find one through this medium. Does anyone out there have one they would
like to sell to me? 

I promise to not lurk any more and will try to add some new things to this
group.  I am, however, jealous each time a person says they traveled to an
estate sale, etc. The furtherest I can drive is 45 miles in the longest
direction; however, it is the most beautiful place on earth to live -
especially when it is not raining! 

jackie
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:53:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sew Handy Sewing Machine

In Nancy Johnson-Srebro's FW book,on page 13 she says she has only seen one
Sewhandy Machine. We have this machine but where is the serial#? i don't see
one on the machine. This tan machine doesn't have the foot control or the
other cord and plug.The machine has a brown case with tray,book in good
condition,black box of attatchments,inspection card with name F.Gregory on
card also an empty needle packet with Free-Westinghouse sewing machines for
sale @ Higbee Co. Public Square Cleveland,Ohio. Any idea what this machine
is worth?
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Subject: Singer model 15-91
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 06:33:48 -0400

I am interested in a Singer model 15-91 that I saw in the display window 
of a fabric store in a nearby small town. This machine has seen a lot of 
use in its time.  On Graham's scale, it's probably a 3 or 4. The serial 
number starts with   
AL so it's is most likely from the 1950's.  When I looked inside it, I 
saw that the bobbin case was missing and the foot pedal and plug are not 
there. The manual and a few attachments are in the storage box with the 
metal lid on the side of the base. The buttonholer is sitting next to 
it.  Without a cord I can't try it out.  The balance wheel moves 
smoothly by hand so I have a feeling this machine still could be brought 
back to life.  I can't believe how heavy this machine is!  It's suppose 
to be a portable?  It must weigh 30 to 40 pounds. You'd get a hernia 
moving it but she is pretty.  The machine is for sale by the antique 
store two doors down from the fabric store for $75.00.  I'm sure that 
they would be willing to bargain. 

My question is - should I try to buy her?  When I told the owner about 
the missing bobbin case, he didn't know what a bobbin case was and get 
this --- He said the machine was really "just for show".  Oh... it needs 
to be rescued. 

Before I close I wanted to tell you all about a tredle in the window of 
a closed store that I saw.  It has "PTO" in the netal work of hte 
treddle base and the metal legs say "HOUSEHOLD".  This machine is in a 
nice woodle treddle base with a wooden box covering the machine so I 
can't see it.  There was a phone number on the door of the store and I 
called the owner. He said he was just keeping it there until he could 
move it elsewhere and it wasn't for sale.  I did get him to agree to 
phone me the day he empties out he store (it has to be empty by July 
1st) so I could at least look at the machine (wasn't that nice of him!). 
 I would love to know if anybody knows anything about this machine.  
What kind is it and when was it made?  

Thanks

Jill W
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW's For Sale

	The following FW's are currently for sale. Shipping is $30 and 
that covers, shipping and handling, insurance and tracking. If you need 
information please e or call me at 619-753-5418.

AE  Machine is in excellent condition, scrolled faceplate, attachments, 
case in good condition copy of manual. $550.

AG  Case, Copy of manual, a few attachments. This is wear on this machine.
$360.

AJ  $450 Case, Manual Good condition, even wear, attachments.
AL  $450 Case, Manual, good condition, but does have wear, attachments.
AM  Superior condition, case wonderful, manual, attachments, $550.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 14:35:15 EDT
Subject: refinishing treadle cabinet

Hello Judy who has a new 'old' treadle.

I am almost done refinishing the cabinet on my grandmother's 1913 singer
treadle, which was just given to me.

I had no intention of refinishing it; I wanted to clean it only.  When I
tried various gentle cleaners such as Murphy's Oil Soap and water, it just
didn't clean it enough and left whitish marks.

After browsing in the bookstore under wood refinishing and antiques for an
hour, I went to the hardware store.  I bought Minwax Antique Refinisher and
0004 steel wool.  Use steel wool to apply the chemical wet, but not
dripping.  As a 5" patch became clean, I immediately wiped it off with a
clean rag.  This will prevent the laminate from further separation.  I
thought that the Minwax worked better than Formby's which I used on an empty
treadle case about 10 years ago.

I now have the most beautiful golden wood case and drawers imaginable!  The
nicks and use marks from my grandmother and her two daughters constant use
of the machine are still there.  To me that is part of the beauty.  But, the
black wood and cracked varnish are gone.  The drawers also cleaned up very 
well.

I will do a test patch on the side of one of the drawers that is towards the
inside of the machine to determine the final finish.  I will test thinned
satin varnish (the real thing), stain and varnish, and stain and wax.  Since
it seems to have begun life with varnish, I am inclined to that finish.  I
need to wait for a few less humid days as NJ is in a hot, damp spell and
varnish doesn't dry well in sticky weather.

I am toying with the idea of having my Dad to take off the motor he
installed in the 40's and use it as a real treadle.  Dad groaned, but I
think he would do it.  I quilt and sew dresses and repair clothes and just
bought a 1090 Bernina.  I have never used a treadle and don't know if I
would like it.  Any ideas about this?

As a new reader to FWfanatics since I got my treadle, I am soaking up all
the fw info like a sponge.  I'll never walk by a sewing machine at a garage
sale again without checking it out.  

Oh, and Singer told me that 200,000 of my model number machines were made.

Jan  D
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:20:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: model 50 D and Bell

Is there anyone on this list who owns a Singer Sewhandy model 50 D?  I
bought one recently and finally got a couple of needles for it, but can't
get it to sew.  It almost seems as if the needle is backwards.  Maybe I
don't have the correct needle.  

Also, I picked up a funny little machine at an estate sale, made by Bell.
It stores and is set up in a little briefcase.  It has a drop in bobbin,
which my Son, in a hurry to be helpful, yanked out before I had a chance to
see  how it was put in.  No manual, and I don't know how to thread it. It is
a small machine, about the size of my model 50 D.  It is green, has no
balance wheel, and the attachments that are in the case look alot like my FW
attachments.  Has anyone else out there ever seen one of these?  Any help
anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated on these two SMs.

TIA,
Jenifer
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:28:44 -0700
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 6/11/96

>
>I have a Singer 66-1 that is missing the sliding plate that covers
>the bobbin.  Does anyone know of someplace I can get one? 

        Try either Cutter's Exchange in Tennessee: 615/893-6493
  or
        Universal Sewing Supply at 800-325-3390

I've even gotten the Curved needles for the Willcox &Gibbs machine there. 

------------------
To Teri....you can probably find that throat plate here too!!

found a treadle table for it, and it sews beautifully, but I need to
>get a throat plate -- it's a real pain to have the bobbin pop up
>as you're sewing along!  Any info pointing me in the right direction
>would be appreciated...
-----------------------------


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I also have the Pinking Attachment, and I THINK I paid $30, but it was 
complete.

>
>Great luck on the Pinking Attachment...I don't have the foggiest idea of a 
>"fair" price...I know I sure want one.  Thanks for the description...you 

>About a rusted throat plate:  I once asked what a replacement one would cost 
>(looking for the ones with the measurements) and the price from Singer was 
>$79.95, plus 6% tax..

I suggest you try the two companies I listed above.


    Just a thought Katy....are you making a record of model/ser.no. for
those that 
    you 'dismantle for parts'?  
>
>I have picked up some pretty tough looking machines lately, some of 
>which are strictly for parts. So if anyone needs parts for a 201, 66, 
>301, or 99, please e-mail. 
>
>Subject: Singer Keys
>
        Glad to hear you still have some.  If my life wasn't so hectic
lately, I would 
        probably have my by now.  I need 5, and one of these days, I'll get
my check
        out to you.......Keep that thought and at least hold 5 for me, will 
you?
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>Date: 11 Jun 96 17:47:28 EDT
>Subject: Contributio
>
>To Rosemary
>
>Afraid you've caught me on the pinking attatchment. I've never seen a Singer
>such as you describe that is driven by the machine. Sounds like fun. There was 

        Graham, would you like me to send you a photo of this little gizzmo?


 It's when you need curved
>needles for pre No-8 Wheeler and Wilson or Grover and Baker machines that the
>trouble starts.

   And as previously stated....(see above) I've solved that delema on this side 
of the pond (grin)


>Some early chain-stitch machines used tambour needles with a hook rather then 
>an
>eye and I don't think these are available anywhere.

    Oh..........but they are.....At Universal Sewing Supply in St. Louis


>Oil from the Sperm Whale was thought to be less congealing (is that a word?) 
>and was specifies by early manufacturers. Any well-refined sewing-machine
oil will
>do the job and nowaday it won't clog everything up.
>
   But from all that I've read ( A LOT!) it is suggested that we stay away
from 3in1 oil
here in the states, for our old machines.  I use an oil I get from Germany




>Condition chart
>GRAHAM Forsdyke's chart is now universally used to determine machine 
condition,
>so that when machines are described among collectors, in member's 
>advertisements and in the auction reports,
                -----snipped---

My add on:  And We are SO GRATEFUL to have him and all his knowledge here with 
us on FWF! (smile)




>To all 
>
> If the Singer Recognition Manual is a little late getting to all those who
>ordered a copy from Bobbie Kopf, it's my fault. Seems wehen I sent out the 
>stuff
>to the States I omited  one of the pages. Now on its way.

        No Matter Graham, and everyone else.....It's going to be in the mail
to EVERYONE who 
ordered one on the 24th of this Month!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>
>Best wishes from heat wave London

    You don't know heat wave till you're sitting in the desert at 112
degrees......we get it 
in Tucson a lot (grimace)
---------------------------

 
>Your 617U was made in Utsunomiga, Japan. The letter after a model # 
>tells you what factory the machine was made in. I have a list of these 
>if anyone wants a copy.

        Dawn I would be indebted to you for a copy of that list.

_____________________
ImQ said:

 Now I keep running into
>treadles everywhere.  But none as nice as mine!!!!!!  

        Ya know....I love ALL my old machines, but the First one of any
model, always seems
        more special than the next one....My first treadle is the Diamond
out of the rest ....and
        all of them are beautiful....but that FIRST ONE!!! aaaaaaaaHHH (smile) 

        So no matter how many you see, or how many more you get...that FIRST
ONE will 
ALWAYS be Special.
----------------------------------------
===Bobbie===
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:31:13 -0400
Subject: Attachments,etc,

Hi kids - Unbelievably, I walked into a terrible old barn last Sunday and
walked out (minus $25.00) with both a FW buttonholer and  a FW zigzag
attachment.  Both are wonderful.  

I need some guidance.  I found a FW that is probably a 4 on the scale.  It
has some corrosion on the rear base, matte paint,  a case that is lacking a
handle, no attachments or manual, no bobbins, no oil, etc.  It sews but it
is homely, sad - a real " orphan".  The guy started out asking  $200.  When
he saw my expression, he threw in the buttonholer and the zigzagger, not
having any idea that they were for the FW.  He wanted $25  for the b.h. and
zigzag and he then dropped his price on the FW plus attachments to $125.
Since I got the b.h. and zigzag for $25, I guess he'd take $100. for the FW.
Is this too much to pay for  a machine that does not cause my heart to race
in the least?  I paid $160 for a 7.5 with all the trimmings.  It sews
beautifully and I love looking at it.  I don't know anything about
restoring sewing machines and wonder  if it is worth it .  Any suggestions
as to what would be a reasonable price to pay for such a machine would be
welcome.  Also, any tips for dealing with corrosion and improving the
appearance of matte paint would be of interest.
                                     

Thanks,
Nancy 
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:02:21 -0500
Subject: Cornell Bulletin

Thanks Shelly for the copy of the Cornell Bulletin and for those who offered
the 301 manual copy.  Thanks Sue for this digest and all the hard work that
you put into it.  It is wonderful and I can hardly wait each day for it to
show up on my computer.  This is such a great group to share all your
purchases and near purchases.  I never would have believed that old sewing
machines could be so much fun and that the people who collect them would be
so funny.

To Sarah in NZ and Becky in Australia; I'll have your information on your
machines tomorrow.

And to everyone else, keep posting.

Carol
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:05:33 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: What the letter in your model # means

Most of this list was originally posted by Graham, I added just a few that
I've picked up from FWF.

Letter in Model number (NOT serial number) = Country of Origin
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
A       Anderson South Carolina, USA
AP      Lagos Nigeria
B       Bonnieres France
BE      Casablanca Morocco
BG      Bancock Thailand
C       Campinas Brazil
CH      Santiago Chili
Cy      Ratmalana Ceylon
E       Elizabethport New Jersey, USA
F       Taytay Phillipines
G       Karlsruhe Germany
GH      Tema Ghana
H       Karachi Pakistan
HC      Chittigong East Pakistan
J       St Johns Quebec Canada
K       Kilbowie Plant, Clydebank Scotland
L       Bogota Colombia
LM      Kinshasha Congo
M       Monza Italy
ML      Petaling Malaysia
N       Taichung Taiwan
P       Penrith NSW, Australia
PR      Lima Peru
Q       Johannesburg Sth Africa
R       Querataro Mexico
T       Delhi India
TN      Tunis Tunisia
U       Utsunomiga Japan
V       Buenos Aires Argentina
VN      Saigon South Vietnam
Y       Maltepe Turkey
Z       Alcenon France
?       Montreal, Canada - assembly plant
?       South Bend, Indiana - cabinet factory
?       Thurso, Quebec Canada - cabinet factory
?       149 Broadway, New York - 1st location &worlds 1st skyscraper
?       Glasgow, Scotland
?       Mott St, New York - sewing machine salon ?
?       Podolsk, Russia
?       Wittenberge, Germany
 
There were also "factories" in Wurselen in Germany and Alencon in France 
but I can find no record of designations for them.
Just before the Russian Revolution 1917 Singer built a vast plant in 
Russia but after the dust settled it was taken over by the Bolsheviks. 
Whether it was given a designating letter I do not know. The original 
showroom still stands in Moscow. It is now a bookstore. 
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:53:38 -0400
Subject: Needle/Bobbin Info

On my sewing page (see below) there are links to sewing sites I've found 
and Singer info pages.  Also there is info on how to thread machines and 
which bobbins go to which machines.  Anyone wanting to email me Model 
numbers and the corresponding bobbin type is welcome.  I will add them 
to the list.  What is there now is only based on what machines I've had 
in my possesion.
Jim
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:34:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: More machines - of course!

It's been so long since I've written that I forget what machines I've told
you about already, so forgive me if I repeat myself! I now own two MORE fws
- I just can't seem to resist these machines - they always seem to have just
that one little difference that overcomes my (nonexistant) will power! The
first one came from the grandmother of a friend of my son. He was there for
a birthday party and as I was talking with this lovely woman, she mentioned
having to clean out the houses of several elderly relatives who had died
recently. I told her if she had any sewing machines I'd be interested and
she told me about her mother's - which sounded awfully like a fw. She
FINALLY called to say she'd located it, so I ran over to check it out. It's
a lovely centennial model with everything included, even the TABLE. When I
asked a price, she said, just take it home and try it out first. I did and
of course loved it then called her and told her I did want it - feeling I
should be honest and tell her these machines are worth at least $200. She
only asked for $50, but when I told my husband, he insisted I pay her $150
since I've been paying so much more for just the machine at auctions. I kind
of hated to do it, but she's a really nice person and I didn't want to cheat
her, so paid the $150. Then last week at an auction, I found yet another fw
- was only going to bid if it were really different from mine, but of course
I bought it. It is different - has the plainer, art-deco type gold trim, and
the medallion has a black band around it, plus its attachments, manual, oil
can, and lube tube (in addition to the buttonholer in the green case) look
almost new. Another $200 machine, but as I said, they are so hard to resist!
I also got another Singer last weekend - without even going to yard sales
(except for one). The one I did attend didn't have much, but in a pile of
free stuff out front was a blue/green Singer in a box, so of course I
brought it home. It's a model 285j - another model 99 machine from
1962-66,very dirty and missing its throat plate in addition to needing a new
belt - but it runs just fine and I'm only too happy to add it to my
collection. The good news is that my daughter is moving to an apartment and
I can use her old room to store my machines! The only bad part about that
will be seeing how many I actually have all in one place - my husband may
die at the sight! But at least it will make more room to move in the rest of
our house! There always seem to be more machines out there patiently waiting
for a new home - usually MINE! Sue M.
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 08:50:08 -0800
Subject: Little Foot

Definitely go for the Little Foot.  Order the low shank.  I have one for 
each of my FW and I wouldn't be without it for piecing.

Debbie 
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:01:10 -0700
Subject: singer 66-in michigain

Hi all, long time no post.  I have a singer 66, I cant rate my own 
machines well.  I think between 6 or 7.  
	My husband has ordered a large piece of living room furniture,
and I will have to sell this.  If you have an intrest, let me know.
	I paid $50, and I'd like to get $75.  But I want the person
who buying it to see it first, so they know what its like.  
	Katy will have an impartial opinion on its worth, so write 
her too, (Katy you can kill me) 
	Its a 50's 66 in good cond, the cabinet is a four drawyer 
darker wood, plain no carving, flat old finish, not too many scars.
It is missing a small piece of veneer in the rear part, 
	I always think my machines are wonderful, so I'd rather someone 
buying it see it so they know.  Besides, the sdhipping I dont think I 
could do.  And it may not be worth the cost.
	after my experience with old harold, I dont want anyone 
dissapointed.
I would love to keep it, but Katy sold me her 15, which is in a 
smaller cabinet.  I may end up selling my littl 99 also, but I 
love it so I really hope not.
Thats all, Happy hunting, isnt summer grand?
Cheryl in michigain, who is finaly catching up her friendshhip blocks, on
Katy's # 15 which purrs like a kitten.
do.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:35:02 -0400
Subject: Orlando area FW's

To Mary  

Prices in this area range from $250. for an AJ  rated about a 6 to $450 for
a "9".   

Not too many "Bargains"

To ???:

I would also be interested in the drop-in tray for my 1949 box.  I
ceertainly would save the machine from scratches  when the foot is being
carried in the box.

I really feel sad when I see FW folding tables being used at garage and yard
sales to hold old glassware, etc.......And see the paint smears, scratches,
etc..... AND the owner won't sell the table (or even trade me for a
sampsonite one because she "uses it for my sales!"

DH says I cna't get personslly involved is saving all the old tables in the
world!!

Jeanann
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:11:28 +0000
Subject: The Spartan in the Trunk

Sue thanks once again for maintaining this list.  I look
forward to it every morning and just love hearing about all the
great finds and repair work being done.

Lydia - I loved the story about the Spartan being quietly
moved into the house along with the Father's day stuff.  I
can picture that scene so clearly because it sounds just like
something I've done.  With my DH once it's in the house and
settled he hardly ever notices it. It's just when he sees it
coming into the house that he gets stressed out.

I bought one of my favorite machines at the local Salvation
Army thrift shops.  It's such a good place just to stop
occasionally.  I wonder why we can pass up all kinds of old
stuff without bringing it home but feel like we have to "rescue"
an old sewing machine.

Hope everyone has a great day and gets to spend a few minutes
at the machine.

Ginney 
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:21:34 -0500
Subject: singer pinking tool

Hi Everyone,
I have read a few post on the pinking tool thought I would respond. I bought 
one at a consignment shop for $12 or so. I got a manual from Millie but turns 
out not to be the same as mine. This one only has the word Singer on it no 
numbers. Has a hole in the base, appears to bolt on something. Sits upright and 
has a handle to turn the pinking wheels. Works beautifully, very sharp. Good 
hunting to those looking for one. I was just browsing when I "found" mine and I 
didn't even know what it was. Thought it was cute and would look good in my 
sewing room. Besides it had the magic word Singer on it.
Joy
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:36:41 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 6/12/96

 Universal Sewing Supply in St. Louis  at 800-325-3390 

One of my favorite places!!  They mainly deal with industrial stuff, that's
why they have curved needles, at least that's what the industrial overlock at
work uses.  

Be sure to ask them for a catalog.  You may have to pay postage on it?? Cause
it's a BIG sucker.  I get mine by walking in their front door so I have no
idea what their policy is.

Judy
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:02:29 PDT
Subject: This digest is addictive!!

I hope this gets to the digest.  I sent it once before and must have 
 done something wrong!

Just had to write because I thoroughly enjoy this list - more than 
 anything else I get!!  I have had my featherweight for 2 years and was 
 really dumb (had read the Nancy book though) when I bought it.  Lucky 
 dumb though.  Although I paid $250 for it, it had a really nice case, 
 all attachments, manual, bobbins etc  and was in a condition of 9.  It 
 is an AL, has the 1/4" marking  and sews wonderfully and DH has gotten 
 used to it going on vacation with us.  It never occurred to me to look 
 to see if it had attachments or even a carrying case.Duh!!! (as my 
 girls would say).

This weekend, I was a little smarter but..... Had a few minutes to kill 
 and went to local antique coop -- I am always looking for old quilt 
 tops to finish.  Saw a bentwood box on the floor, opened it up and 
 there was this beautiful little sewing machine - fairly clean with all 
 sorts of flowery red, green and gold decals -- smallish machine and 
 gorgeous.  I didn't look at much more.  It had no price so I assumed 
 it was pricey since there was a beaten up White treadle with a 
 refinished cabinet that they wanted $250 for.  I asked the co-op 
 manager the price, they called the guy and he said $25.00.  Needless 
 to say, I took it!!  In my excitement though, I forgot to look for 
 attachments, etc.

When I got home, found that the foot pedal was missing although 
 connections are there.  Also figured out how to thread, saw that it 
 had (I believe) a vibrating shuttle, found a dozen bobbins, most never 
 used it looked like.  Also fairly newish belt on machine.  Did 
 manually run some stitches and it sews beautifully.  I only hope that 
 the motor works as well -- my gut reaction is that it will.

I called  Singer this morning and they said it was a 128, manufactured 
 6/17/24.  From the digests I had figured when it was manufactured but 
 had not guessed on the model.
I think I need more digests!!  I had though it was a 99 but the bullet 
 shuttle didn't fit with that.  It is really an attractive machine 
 though.  I would rate it's condition overall as a 7.8.  No rust, no 
 smell; if you look closely you can see a couple of little places where 
 the gilt is a little worn.  Did I do well??

I called the local dealer this morning and they said they would put 
 foot petal on for less than $20.  So far so good.  The only other 
 thing that is missing is the key that obviously holds the bentwood 
 case together..  On one of the April  archive postings someone said 
 they knew of locksmith somewhere that had the blank -- I would love to 
 get the key. 

I also have an old Wheeler and Wilson.  The folklore with it was that 
 it was pre-1900, but after reading the digests I am not sure.  It says 
 Wheeler and Wilson, but the needles it the package  that my mother had 
 purchased say Wheeler and Wilson, Singer 9W.  It was I believe a 
 treadle head that was electrified back in the forties.  It was the 
 only machine my mother ever used and it ran like a champ.  It has not 
 been used in a few years now.  Is there anyway to tell when it was 
 made -- any distinguishing characteristics.    I am seriously 
 considering selling this one as this would appease DH for awhile.

After reading the lists, I also went back to my MIL's on Memorial Day 
 and looked at her old machine in a new light.  It is a 20's era ornate 
 (like the 128) White Rotary with attachments and in good running 
 order.  Much to my DH's displeasure, it will probably join our 
 household also.  I also have my original White that I purchased with 
 my babysitting money in 1959 and my Bernina 830 and Elna serger.

I know that with my basically retentive personality type, there are 
 more featherweights and Singers  in my future.   I will only be able 
 to purchase those that can easily be hidden.   I will rationalize that 
 each of my daughters needs one (although one despises sewing and the 
 other doesn't have the patience) and then I am sure there will be 
 granddaughters etc, etc. 

Would appreciate any help with the key; also any suggestions onthe 128 
 shuttle machine and any problems with it.

Beth
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:07:35 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 6/12/96

So like I said in my other post : ) proud owner of a FW.  Not that I'd been
looking hard for one.  I don't discriminate, I like any old machine.  But
priced at $270 how could I pass it up?!  The case is in good shape, the
fabric is worn through at the corner so that the wood shows through.  The
handle is fine, there is no key however, but I will look locally as there are
a number of OLD sewing machine guys in the St. Louis area.  The guys as well
as the machines ; )  The box of attachments is there, but I haven't done an
inventory is see what all is in it.  Does someone have a list of what SHOULD
be there??  The small manual is also there, missing the front cover.  The
little box that screws in to the inside is no longer screwed to the inside.
 There was no oil can, but I had picked one up at the same antique mall about
a month earlier.  It seems to be much happier clipped into it's little box,
but I will miss it from the stuff sitting on top of my computer.  It's # is
AL 554707, Singer says it was made in Elizabeth NJ on 10/14/53.  And they
correctly identified it as a FW.  I know that there has been some debate with
them over other model identities, have they ever missed on a FW??

Judy 
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:12:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Question

I am confused.  I very recently acquired a beautiful little singer sewing
machine that I thought was a featherweight.  The seriel number is EV
909763, and it came with a book that said featherweight on it.  It's white
with a hint of pale green, looks like all the pictures of the
featherweights, and seemed to be one of the Scottish made machines.  when
I called Singer this morning they told me with that seriel number it was
made May 5, 1964 in Kilbowie at the Clydebank plant, hence Scottish, but
it was a model 180K.  What's a 180K?  (The singer dealer center here in
Seattle said it was a featherweight.  Who is right?

Thanks
Laura S
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:40:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: A story

I finally have a story to tell.  Lydia was kind enough to let me know
about an auction.  She couldn't go because of a business trip.  The DH and
I went and I was lucky enough to outbid everyone and come away with a very
dirty FW.  Its an AL with case in good condition and box of attachments. 
The manual is there but unusable.  I'll just copy one I have.  The DH
cleaned it up and it is beautiful.  It must be a 9 on the scale.  You can
see some little pin marks if you have a strong light on it.  Works very
well. 

The wild part is what happened right after I got it.  A man came up to us
and told us he had 2 FWs that were even nicer and were for sale.  He gave
us his phone number and we went to see them today.  Bought them both. 
They are in great condition and have manuals, oil cans, attachments, and
very good cases.  The great thing is that one of them is a centennial. 
I'm definitely keeping the centennial but don't know if I will keep them
all.  

I never dreamed that I would find 3 FWs in 2 days.  This makes 20 machines
for us and I am going to have to join a support group.  It's getting out
of hand.  The trouble is, every time you take one out of its case you fall
in love with it.  

This man also had a table with a cutout but I don't know what machine it
would fit.  It doesn't say Singer on it anyplace.  The insert is 7 x 18 
inches.  Does anyone know what its made for?

Got to go look at my FW babies.

Marilyn
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Subject: News of this and that

Dear fellow FW's
No really good deals to report lately but I have read with interest all of
your finds and the discussions regarding price.  I can't help but note that
I have bought and resold about 7 FW's in the last year and have 6 that I
have kept.  The other day I figured out my average cost per machine and it
is a remarkable $168.  My average selling price, on those I have sold, has
been $250.  I do have the machines gone over by a Singer person and have
NOT included that as part of the cost.  The most expensive repair that I
have ever made was to replace the bobbin case on a 1938 and that ran me
around $60 thanks to someone from this list (GWillie I think).  Of the
machines sold, two have been centennial machines, one about a 7 and the
other a 9 or better on Graham's scale.  The other machines I would rate at
7 or better, all of them.
The point here is that if collectors, quilters, etc continue to pay the
high prices asked for these machines, the prices will continue to rise.  If
knowledgeble (sp) buyers stop paying the outrageous prices, then the prices
will level off and be affordable for everyone.  I personally, if I had to
pay retail,  would never pay more than $300 for a FW, and then it would
have to be in #9 condition or better.  After all, they sold new for $135 -
$150, and one has to consider the inflated dollar since then.
As Krisi points out, they are not RARE, just hard to locate.  And
persistence pays off in the long run.  I paid $350 for my first
featherweight because I really didn't know any better and it was not even a
5 on the condition scale (paint missing, scratched, no attachments, no
manual, lousy case).
Now I know better.  The dealer friend who finds them for me, is instructed
to never pay more than $150 for any FW and to only pay that much if it is
"like new" in his opinion.  My limit on any of the others is $100.  You
never know what problems you may run into and repairs are expensive.
I am not really in the business of selling featherweights.  I just like
having the opportunity to see them, clean them up, decide if I want them or
not, and then find them good homes.
So far I have not become attached to any other types of sewing machines and
really do hope to keep it that way.  I would like to have a 301 for machine
quilting but aside from that I am quite content to pass up all the others.
Good FW hunting to you all.
Shelley 
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:27:51, -0500
Subject: FW 1/4" foot

Hi Tricia,
I bought the Little Foot &it's OK (sort of slips because it doesn't
cover the feed dogs completely) but I bought another one that is GREAT!
It's just for the FW, is all metal (not plastic like the Little Foot),
comes with a 1/8" snap on foot also included, and, *AND*, it's only $5!
It covers the feed dogs completely with no slipping. It is fantastic. I
ordered another one for my other machine. It will fit all low shank
machines I would think.

Order it from Country Threads in Iowa
1-800-544-6852
$5 plus $1.50 shipping &handling

It makes all the difference!

Jo
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:04:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Household sewing machine

To Jill:

My trusty History of the Sewing Machine shows a Household machine made
by Providence Tool Co. of Providence, RI between the years 1873 and 
about 1884.  Starting about 1885 until 1906, Household machines were
made by the Household Sewing Machine Company.

When you get a good look at it, tell us more!

Terri
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:04:25 -0400
Subject: Continued from yesterday

Hi again - The questions I posed to the group yesterday about the FW I found
that I described as a  4 should be amended as follows: the machine is
definitely a 5 ( I reread the scale and was 1 number off) and is an AG
model.  Also, the FW that I bought for $160 that I described as a 7.5 is an
8 and an AE model.  So my question is the same. What would a sane person pay
for an AG with matte paint, corrosion on the rear base and  a handleless
(and missing a clasp) box?  I realize that there may be a wide range of
opinion.  Once again, I think the owner will sell it for $100.

Thanks for any thoughts on this matter,

Nancy  
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:46:59 -0600
Subject: More FW's

Well, I got two more FW's this morning, but the best part is that one is a
222K free-arm.  I am so delighted ---however, I now have 8 FW's and it is
too many for me, so if anyone is coming to the Rotary Convention in Calgary
in a few weeks, I may be persuaded to part with a few, maybe even my white one.

E-mail me privately if you are interested.

Kathy
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:00:31 -0500
Subject: $100 orphan

Nancy , if the poor orphan FW would go for $100... It is $65 here just for
the parts to get a bobbin case.  If you were to hold it just for parts, it
would probably be worth $100.  I have seen machines with the corrosion
beneath the paint, but dont' know of any way to 'cure' that problem.  There
are several (at least) peices on the FW which are not made by singer any
longer.  I hate to think of taking one apart!  But at least it will have a
good home with you...;-)

Sherrie G
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Rotary Attachments

Hello all you happy FWF.  I went researching today (shopping), and struck
out where ever I went.  I did pick up a box of attachments for a sewing
machine that was sitting in the back of a crowded shop.

The attachments for the most part say Greist on them, but the way the attach
to a sewing machine is new to me.  They all have a flat horizontal end with
a slot cut in it.

The box says Rotary Attachments on top.  On the bottom of the box stamped in
red ink is: "A-AE-AAE-AC-NH".  The box has seen better days.  It is a white
box with blue lines in it, almost marble like.

The box had the following items:

6 needles with a slot cut in one side. The needles are marked 1/2 or 1 on
the upper shank.

1 what I believe to be a straight foot, no markings.

1 what I believe to be a zipper foot.

5 Greist Hemmer feet, different sizes, one says narrow hemmer.

1 Greist binder foot.

1 Greist Edge-Stitcher foot.

1 Greist 5 stitch ruffler with adjustment screw on top.

1 Greist Tucker

3 other pieces with no markings and unknow purpose.

3 small screw drivers, 1 sewing machine type, two later model plastic handle
models.

My question is, what type of machine do these things fit.  I have a singer
treadle (66-4) and a Davis Walking foot treadle machine.  Do I need an
adapter for these machines or are these attachments ment for a specific
machine.  I do have other Greist attachments here that are made "the old
fashion way", ie: the clamp to a vertical post.

ANy help would be appreciated.  I am just a novice sewing machine collector.
I sorta fell into it.  I purchased the singer treadle (dob 3/1919) 20 years
ago because I liked it.  I got my mom's old FW and table that she bought new
in the early '50's.  I purchase the Davis, this summer, because I had never
seen one and the price was right.  I turned down a Singer 66 treadle today
for 125.00 in very good condition.  It was the same thing I had and newer
(1924).  I just wanted to save the space and funds for something different.
I have my eyes open for a White, Western Electric, Singer Shuttle or
anything different than I have now.

I just love this FWF list and all the people who make it a super place.

You all have a good day.... David 
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:14:52 -0400
Subject: Old Singer and Skipping FW

Many thanks to Krisi for her compilation of the FW database.  The information
was fascinating.

I'd really appreciate any help identifying the old Singer I bought the other
week.  When the repairman calls me, I'll need to make a decision as to how
much I'm willing to spend on it.  To recap:  a full-size black head w/some
gold; striated face plate somewhat like the later FWs; tension and light at
the rear; no markings on throat plate.  Came in a cabinet and with a
buttonholer in the green plastic case.  It appears in nice shape, but the
cord to the controller was cut, so I don't know if it works or not.  Could it
be a 15 like Laurie's?  My thinking was that the striated needle plate would
indicate a later model -- possibly 40's era, but I'm just guessing.

Also, I've been doing a lot of paper piecing with Fiona, my FW, and she skips
a stitch every now and then.  The local repairman checked her over (and
replaced her cord) when I got her and said she was in excellent condition.
 Is an occasional skipped stitch just a fact of life with an older machine or
should she be serviced?  I hate to take her in since he's not too fast at
repairs.

Diana
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Subject: saw some more sm's
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:04:54 -0400

Hi everyone.  I visited the local antique mall (it's housed in building 
that was a movie theatre in a previous life) and saw two sewing 
machines.  The first one was an "HOWE" treadle in a lovely wooden 
cabinet with a wooden box that sits on top to cover the machine.  I 
lifted the box up to see the machine....boy was this thing worn.  Lots 
of parts missing.  I did figure out how to lift the presser foot.  Does 
anyone know how old a machine like this may be?  I did like the 
gold-tone seal with Howe's (?) profile on it.  The price was - are you 
ready - $455. Wow.

The other sm was a beaut!  At first I thought it was a table, with its 
turned legs and really attractive wood trim.  Something about a double 
thick table top caught my eye.  I took all the glassware piled on it off 
and folded back the top - it folded to the BACK -  not to the left side 
like all the other sm's I've seen.  This provided a very large surface 
area on which to sew!  I lifted the machine out -  what a beauty!  It 
was shiny black and loaded with gold (and some red) scrollwork. The only 
thing plain was the faceplate - just metal.  The name on the machine was 
"Bingham Electric Co.".  The serial number was 201608.  The price was 
$380 firm.  The owner was working the front desk that day.  She said she 
got it in Maine.  It doesn't look like it saw much use.20
I don't know anything at all about Bingham Electric Co.  Does anybody 
know about their sm's?  Is this price high (sure seemed like it to me)?  
How old is she?
Any help, again, is very much appreciated.  Most likely this one will 
stay just where I found her but I did enjoy seeing it.   
Thanks, Jill W
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:01:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: General Hints

Hi Folks!

Well, it didn't rain in Chicago on Tuesday evening so I had to live up to
my promise and go to a White Sox game.  Had a very enjoyable time out in
right field, even though it was downright chlly by the 8th inning. 
However, I did take the precaution of copying down the address of an
Antique Mall in Naperville, and....there's always next time.

I've just scanned through the last four days of the Digest, so forgive me
if I missed some of the names.

To Terri: You might try a local Singer dealer for a slide plate for your
Model 66. One of my candidate treadles was a Model 66 that was also
missing its slide plate.  The shop happened to be located two doors from a
Singer place, so I walked over and asked if such a thing was still
available.  He said yes, he could certainly get one.  However, since
that's not the machine I ultimately bought, I never got a price.  

For reference:  Graham's scale was originally posted to the Digest on
February 21, 1996.  Also about dates and serial numbers -- Jim Wagner
posted a loooong list of factories, serial numbers, and dates on February
18, 1996 (February was a good month for us Fanatics!).  You can access
these through the Digest archives via the FWF home page.  While you're at
it, also check out Carolyn Ybarra's "Five Stages of Spousal FW Fanatacism"
from December 6, 1995!

To Tricia: I just finished (last week) piecing a quilt top on my FW using
a Little Foot.  I think it works fine.  I also have one for my "workhorse"
machine and I have always had good results using it.  However, if you have
the option, I recommend getting a clear acrylic one rather than the solid
black one.  Phil (if you're out there), are you still making the black
ones? Based on having used both of them, I like the clear one better.

About the Infamous Loops:  In the process of piecing the above-mentioned
quilt top, Lucinda (my FW -- ok, so some of us get downright silly about
these things...) acted up on me twice.  But after the second time, I THINK
I have noticed the pattern.  In each case, the problem occurred after I
had stopped sewing with the needle over half way down into the fabric.  In
each case, the problem started with a modest KA-THUNK noise.  And in each
case, the tension knob managed to reset itself with no help whatsoever
from me.  While trying to clear up the first problem, I suddenly noticed
that the the numbered tension knob was set on "2", and I KNEW that was
wrong.  I set it up to about 6, and everything went smoothly.  A couple of
days later when the second problem occurred, I checked the tension knob
right away and saw that it was down to about 3-1/2, again all on its
own.  My conclusion is that there's a point in the shuttle cycle with the
needle far down in the fabric where if you stop the machine, things
just don't engage right and the thread somehow gets yanked so yard that it
pulls the tension plates hard enough to slip the tension setting.  My
advice to all of you is twofold: 1) When you stop the machine to pivot or
whatever, stop with only the first 1/4" or so of the needle down into the
fabric.  In case you're wondering, I stopped LOTS of times while machine
piecing, but only had the problem when the needle was really far down.  2)
Figure out what your machine's personal working tension setting is, and
remember it.  If you have the KA-THUNK problem, check this setting first
-- you may save yourself a lot of time.  For those of you who don't have a
numbered dial, I'd suggest a tiny sliver of a brightly colored coding dot
or file folder label, maybe 1/16" x 1/4", applied at the 12 o'clock
position when your tension is set and running fine.  If the sliver is out
of position, you know the tension is no longer right.

Also I discovered I avoided a lot of lint problems by alternating how I
cleaned out the bobbin/shuttle area.  About every other day I would
alternately: 1) just take out the bobbin case and vigorously brush out the
area with a stiff lint brush, then the next time 2) leave the bobbin in
place but remove the throat plate and brush out all the areas I could get
to with the brush, especially the area behind the bobbin case holder.  If
you do this, remember to get the position finger between the prongs on the
bottom of the throat plate when you replace everything.

Lydia
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 96 17:20:53 -0700
Subject:     Re: Machine Parts

  I attempted to send this letter on the 7th but in reading the posts 
since then, it looks like that day's mail disappeared. If you did get 
your post for the 7th, sorry to repeat myself. I'll also try that parts 
source listed in today's post. Thanks!

Hi FWF's!
  I've been enjoying reading your posts the last 3-4 weeks. Now I have a 
couple questions to post as well.
  The handle to my FW case is in poor shape. Is it possible to obtain 
another one short of taking the case to a shoe/suitcase repair place? My 
FW also has a badly frayed cord. Anyone know of a place that could sell 
me a new one? I'm afraid to use it right now since I'm deathly afraid of 
sparks and fires and explosions and such.  : )
  A couple years back I was teaching some students how to sew and somehow 
my 319W we were using jammed solid. The teacher whose room I was using 
and a student dismantled the mechanism that holds the bobbin and bobbin 
case and everything got un-jammed, but somehow the part that holds the 
bobbin case won't turn smoothly anymore. My dad worked on it during a 
visit, and he said something must have gotten bent and I should purchase 
another part. Except Singer says that part isn't made anymore and the 
repair person in the next town down the highway says I won't be able to 
obtain one for less that $300.00. Any resource suggestions on how to fix 
this poor machine would be greatly appreciated. 
  I saw a couple posts about having treadle machines with no treadle. I 
have the iron works to a treadle but there wasn't a machine when I 
purchased it (about 7 years ago in another state) and when my DH 
attempted to refinish the woodwork, it fell apart. (He also disposed of 
the pieces.) Unfortunately, the frame doesn't seem to be a Singer one, 
but the foot pedal is made of small octogons that from a distance look 
like circles and the sides have metalwork in the shape of ovals. I now 
have 2 other treadles in a very small house, so I'm sure DH would not 
feel sad if anyone happens need that specific part....
  About the first post I received had Graham's explanation on why he 
doesn't give out prices. I can see his point, but I also just came back 
from 2 months of settling my grandmother's estate in Tennessee. The gal 
who did the sale used the identification/price guides extensively. We 
knew the book prices were inflated and generally marked things at least 
half of the listed dealer price, but at least it gave us a point of 
reference--and we sure needed one! When my dad is standing there saying 
its junk--haul it to Goodwill and the books indicate a dealer price of 
$100, its nice to know that $25-50 would be a fair price. If you really 
want to confuse the sewing machine market, Graham should write his book 
and lower the prices by half! At least then I could afford that ellusive 
white FW!  (teehee)
  Finally to Doreen about the folding wooden box with machine 
assessories. I too got an assessory box with my #2 Vibrating Shuttle. I'm 
fairly certain they belong together. Haven't had a chance to play with 
all of them, but everything in time.

Juanita C
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:21:45 -0700
Subject: 221K For Sale

A friend of mine wants to sell her (white) 221K.  It is in excellent
condition.  $400.00.  Please contact her directly 
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:15:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Thrift Shop Finds  

Today I went browsing and found the cutest little machine.  No I didn't 
buy it yet, but it is calling.  Not a Singer but an Eldridge "E", as small 
as a FW but with lots of fancy decals in gold red and green.  There is 
even a lion on the base.  It was a little rusty on the crome parts and I 
wouldn't trust the cord,the wheel turned fine and the needle seemed to 
move well. It was topped off with what I think is a bentwood case. Asking 
price $30. I didn't think to look for a bobbin.
The other machine was , I think, a l28 anniversary model AJ 863056.  The 
tag said Singer l951, works, belt slips.  It had an odd matte finish- black 
or charcoal color with a minimum of gold trim. The case was also bentwood 
with a slide forward panel to keep extra feet.  Price on this one $49.00
What do you think guys?  Are these prices about right? 
Thanks to Sue for this wonderful list, Love Graham's letters, and hope 
Courtney is doing well.  From Barbara 
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:08:22 -0400
Subject: rats!

Dear Friends  well another one got away.  I bought our local weekly
swap-and-sell guide, went home, read it, found an ad for a *black portable
Singer* for $40, about an hour and a half away from where I live.  Called
phone number while holding breath - could this be it, would this be the time,
what would it be?  Answering machine - groan.  Left message asking what model
and that I would be on her doorstep as soon as she called me back.  No call
back the rest of the day.  Went to *Twister* - cool!  Got home, message on MY
machine says it was a 221 and she sold it to a lady who *came over right
away*  I'll just bet she did!  sigh.  Henrietta
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:40:14 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 6/12/96

To Jackie :  If you ever come to Seattle as many Juneauers? do, you
should stop by our store.  We just got in some cases for featherweights that
look very similar to the original cases - although the quality is nowhere
near as special - but at least it's the same shape and black.  It still
doesn't have the tray, though.  Hey, maybe if someone brings in their
featherweight for repair and it needs repair on something that can't be
fixed, like a new motor or something, we'll try to buy it for parts - like
that tray or the tension or something.
Lilette P
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:53:25 GMT
Subject: History on Greist

Several weeks ago I saw postings on Greist attachments, and have since seen
and purchased a Greist binder, hemmer and ruffler.  Did Greist also
manufacture machines?  I'm not familar with the name, since I've been
collecting Singer machines and attachments.  The lady who sold them to me (a
Sew. Mach. dealer) didn't have a clue as to their background.

DH will be so  proud of me! For weeks he has been after me to take a
physical inventory of my machines, accessories etc. and get them entered
into this computer.  However, I would much prefer to be out looking and
adding to the collection.  I finally got the job done today and still have
time to look.

JP
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:53:59 -0600
Subject: DH is standing in line for FW

I have to share this with SOMEONE, and you folks are the ones who will
appreciate this.

Working full time and with 3 small children, I don't have lots of time to
bargain hunt for FW's.  But my DH works for himself, loves hitting sales,
and has become somewhat educated about sewing machines over the
last 6 months.  He has bought me 3 old Singers (including my first FW)
several White Rotary machines and at least one or two others int the last
few months.  Except for the FW (where he got a reasonable value, but
not a "bargain") he has paid between $2 and $5 for theses babies.

As I write this, I am waiting to see if I have another FW in my life.  DH
was in line at 6:53 this am (and brought a very LARGE friend with him)
for an estate sale advertising a FW.  They have the numbers 3 and 5. 
The sale starts at 10.  They asked where the FW was, and were told
where in the house (a corner of the basement) it could be found.  Now
my husband's friend is LARGE, and I defy anyone to get past him to the
basement before he and my husband do!

This is pretty exciting- while I have one FW, I would love to have a
Centennial model (especially with a 1951 BD like me), or an early model ,
or a ....  Starting to sound like a collector here, aren't I?

Frankly we don't have lots of money to invest at this point, but between
quilt guild tomorrow, the MN Quilters show next week in Rochester
(anyone going?), and my friends on this list, I figure that I could probably
find someone who wants my "spare" if I have one!

I'll keep you updated later today!

Caryl 
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:07:18 +2510
Subject: Singer 99k grease tubes

Hi all, it's cool to have found a group dedicated to FWs and other old 
machines.  Folks to share old sewing machine interests with!  Yea!

I came into a 99k when a non-sewing friend of mine was doing some 
cleaning out--I didn't realize what a find the machine was at the time, 
but I'm just beginning to appreciate it.  The machine was bought for a 
housewife who, the unlucky husband was to discover, didn't sew.  
Basically the machine sat unused for about 40 years until it fell into 
my hands--I'm not very familiar with the Graham scale but the machine's 
probably at least a 6 or 7, complete with manual and a number of 
attachments.

My question is, what does one do to/with the grease tubes on the motor?  
What to use?  I did take the machine in for a tune-up when I got it, 
but though the mechanic had a blast playing with it, he didn't have 
anything to say about the grease tubes.

Any advice?  Thanks!

Cheryl on Dave's account
...who's amazed at the longevity of these old machines
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Date: 14 Jun 96 12:17:35 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 6/12/96

To Katy &Mark-

I just found a 99K  in a cabinet yesterday.  It is in very good condition but 
is
missing a slide plate.  You mentioned in your post yesterday that you had some
parts for a 99.  Would you happen to have this particular part?  You can Email
me with particulars.  Also what size bobbin does this machine need?   Thank you
for any help you can offer.  Ebony, my name for her is a beauty!!!!!

Carol C
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Subject: Pinking attachment

	I have one of those pinking attachments that I found in a box with 
several other singer attachments.  The pamphlet says you can get blades for 
straight cutting. (Wish I knew where.) This pinker runs by attaching it to the 
machine.  I only paid $8 at a flea market for the whole box of attachment 
including a sock darner and a clamp that works like a sewing bird.  I feel like 
the picker is priceless in value.  Its value being strickly what someone is 
willing to pay and the seller is willing to accept.  
	A few years ago I had a Singer pinking machine that clamped to a table 
and worked by a hand crank.  I think I sold that for around $45 or a little 
less.  That was before my FWF days.  I'm not sure that I would sell it if I had 
it now. 

Ann 
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Date: 14 Jun 96 13:46:41 EDT
Subject: post

Hi All...

Back from the US Open in Michigan - had a great time, but *lots* of rain on
Wednesday.  Saw no sewing machines, but did see Nicklaus, T. Wood, and Davis 
Love  III  in the same three-some! However, wife Connie did sell the 'AJ' FW 
that  we  had  here  in the shop. This machine is a 8+ on the Forsdyke scale 
and  the  case is a '10'. All normal attachements, new cord (like original), 
needles,  belt  (lugged), light bulb (Austrian), new book, plus new spool of 
Metrosene and Nancy Johnson-Srebro's book and a 90 day warranty - $450.

For  Ginny,  re: Sperm Oil.  You will not find Sperm Oil. It was made at the 
turn  of the century from the Sperm Whale, which is like extinct. Whaling is 
outlawed  by  most countries... I recommend Singer's sewing machine oil. re: 
needles.  Needles  are different lengths for different machines. re: thread. 
Well,  in  my experience, if you want to *look* at the machine, find a spool 
of  thread that was available at the time the machine was built. If you want 
to  *sew*  on  it,  use Metrosene. Quote of the day - "The singular cause of 
most  problems  with tension, feeding, thread breaking, etc. is due to using 
CHEAP thread. This is one instance where you get what you pay for!"

For  Rosemary  T.  We  have  *new* (1954) FW oper's manuals for $19. We also 
have photocopies for $4. Email me for details

For  Stuart,  re:  FW  cases  - contact Andy Fields @ 913-566-3788. He makes 
perfect reproduction cases and tables.

For  Tricia,  re:  Little Foot - Many of our quild members prefer the Singer 
*metal*  Quilting  Foot  (Little Foot is plastic and *does* break!). We sell 
the Singer foot for $14.95, including postage...

Bye for now, Chris
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:24:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 6/12/96

Hi all.  I'm new to the www and to computers in general but I think Sue is
doing a great job!!Thanks for all your hard work here and on the  Bernina 
also..

I have several machines. My pride and joy is my mother's FW.  She bought it
with her first month's pay check of $150.00.  it's s# AL568955 birth day is
Oct. 14, 1953.  It's about a 6 or 7.  That little machine made almost all of
our clothes and decortated our house for a long time.  My big sister took it
to collage but did not use it, and I adopted it several years ago.  I felt
real dumb when I read about the tables as I let mom's go last year.  Now
that i am quilting i could just kick myself.. the second machine i have is a
green Elna with the black cams. It is about 45 years old and in good
condition.  The third and the most fun is my new Bernia 1630. I can straight
sew on my FW and trun around and embelish on the 1630.  That way there is no
time lost changing thread and bobbins!  

My last machine is the one i need help on. I was my greatgrandmothers
treadle and I just got it to my house.  It is a Wheeler &Wilson MFG  model
D-9, no. 2706991 Bridgeport Conn.  It is at the shop being cleaned and
checked. when i opened it there was a fat black-widow spider sitting there.
Now dead bws.
Sorry this took so long, I have enjoyed all the histories I have read here.
Mary-Ruth
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Need help with old sewing machine

I am relatively new to sewing-related lists so forgive me if I am posting 
this to the wrong list.

A couple of weeks ago, I bought an old sewing machine (a Brother Opus 
1351) at a garage sale for $20.  It has been years since my wife or I 
have done any sewing (not since we moved away to university) and our 
skills are a little rusty.  What I am looking for is the MANUAL for our 
sewing machine (or a reference to any good books which will show us how to 
set the machine up.)  Photocopies or originals would be fine; I'm not picky.

Any other knowledge about the machine (ANYTHING at all) would be good too.

Thanks, in advance.

Rick &Christine
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Date: 14 Jun 96 20:58:29 EDT
Subject: Catching up on Singer news...

Dear FWF Friends, 

I haven't posted for quite a while, so I better chime in again.  I have found a
couple nice old machines in recent months, like a Singer Model 15-88 made in
1933, complete with knee controller and fine bentwood case, for just $40.  Runs
like a champ, of course, it's an old Singer!  Same for a Singer Model 201 from
the late 1940's in a beautiful Singer Library Table cabinet with attachments 
and
manual, for $75.  Another treasure is a Singer Model 66-6 in a tiny wood 
cabinet
for $50.  This last machine created one of those Singer Customer Service
"mysteries", because they told me it was an industrial Model 31 from 1910.  I
tend to think it is from about 1915, according to it's serial number, and it's
feature match the 66-6 manual that came with it.  I am sure it is NOT an
industrial-31, despite Singer's records.  However, in their defense, I must say
that this is the first erroneous information I have gotten from them.  They are
still a great resource in identifying and dating our old Singers.  

It is real interesting that we have recently had so many FWF's writing about
owning or finding Standard SewHandy's.  Last October I wrote about mine, but 
got
very few responses from other SewHandy owners.  Seems a lot of newer members
have them now, and that's great!  Bill Campbell wrote on 6/10/96 about his, and
his description pretty well fits mine, except mine came with the foot control
and power cord.  Bill has a needle packet with Free-Westinghouse  on it, and
that really piqued my interest, because my SewHandy came with a receipt from 
the
Free Sewing Machine Company of Rock Island, IL.  Mine has a few attachments, 
but
not Bill's black box of attachments.  About the serial number--mine has a 
serial
number on a small metal plate attached to the lower left front of the machine
base.  I also wonder about their real value, but mine has always had a
tremendous amount of sentimental value, and that is enough.  I am just happy to
have such a nice piece of FW history.  

A question for Graham (whom I hope has solved his software problems or will
soon). Can you tell me (us) anything about a British-made handcrank machine 
with
just the name BSM on it?  While it has all the features of an old
machine--handcrank, long shuttle bobbin, bentwood case--it is in such good
condition I have to wonder if it is actually an old machine or a reproduction.
But, either way, I am happy to have it, because it is very sound and 
attractive.
The price was right, at $60.  Just wondering, Graham, what you know about this
brand and what the BSM stands for...I keep thinking it might be "British Sewing
Machines".  One thing I like a lot about it's wood case is that it attaches to
the base with latches--no key to loose.  Come to think of it, WHY did the
Singers bentwood cases have keys...if you wanted to take something, you could
just walk away with the whole case and machine!  

Thanks again to everyone who generously takes the time to share their
discoveries and information and to Sue Traudt for faithfully bringing FWF to us
for almost a year!  You are the greatest, Sue!

Shirley
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:02:04, -0500
Subject: WTB Class 66 Manual

I want to buy a copy of a manual for a Singer Class 66 treadle, from 
1916, or thereabouts. We are
giving this treadle to my mother-in-law, and would really like to 
give her a good manual.
I would also like to buy additional feet for this machine.  It has a 
very high shank, and the foot has
an upward-pointing U-shaped fork.  It's unlike any foot I've ever 
seen, and it's not like the
backward pointing fork for the White treadles.
If  you can help, write me at MEPT56A@prodigy.com, and quote me your 
price.
Naomi G
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:00:07, -0500
Subject: For Sale/Trade Attachments &Manuals

For Trade:
     Singer Automatic Zigzagger, #160986, for Class 301 machines.  
Complete with original
manual, four cams, and box (heavily taped).  Will trade even for 
Zigzagger #160985 for
Featherweight, or will include extra cash.  Make me a proposal! I 
really want one for my
Featherweight.

For Sale:
     1. Japanese-made modern buttonholer which fits low-shank zig-zag 
machines.  It has a
small hole cut in top, where I tried to make it fit my Bernina.  (It 
doesn't fit the Bernina shaft.)  So
I will sell, postage paid, for $25.   It has plastic cams for 
straight and keyhole buttonholes. It's the
same one sold by A Stitch Back in Time, for about $40.
     2. Japanese-made metal buttonholer in metal box, from the 70's.  
Works with low-shank,
zig-zag machine.  Has metal cams for keyhole and straight buttonholes.
 $15, postage-paid.
     3. A semi-circular straight-stitch throat-plate and two semi-
circular feed-dog cover-plates
for a 70's- vintage Singer (I would guess).  I will send you tracings 
if you are interested.  Make me
an offer.
     4. From the same machine as #2 and #3, a set of four unmarked 
low-shank feet, and a
quilting guide.  Includes a zipper foot, buttonhole (or braid) foot, 
a button-sewing foot, and a
rolled-hem foot for a zig-zag machine. $10, postage paid, or make me 
an offer, if you also want
the throat-plates.
     5. Photo-copy of a manual for the Singer Blind Stitch Attachment 
#160616. (This is the
one for the Featherweight.) $2.50, includes postage.
     6. Photo-copy of a manual for the Singer Automatic Zigzagger 
#160985 (Class 15, 201,
221 and 1200) and #160986 (Class 301).  It's the same manual for both.
 $2.50, includes postage.
     7. Photo-copy of Instructions for the Singer Ruffler, 1928.  
It's the same material, as in the
back of the Featherweight manual. $2.00, includes postage.

 I will answer all inquiries.

Naomi G
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:36:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts and old machines

I have found a  second hand/thrift shop that has lots of machines.  The owner
works on old sewing (and new too).  He has many old machines and also lots of
parts for old, new and commercial machines.  He has an old Kenmore that is in
a cabinet.  It looks like an old black Singer FW.  It was in excellent
condition.  He would be glad to help anyone with information or parts.  His
name is: George Bardwell
                                                         4950 N. Hwy. 17
                                                         DeLeon Springs, FL
32130
                                                         904-985-5108
He was very helpful, plus I bought an old treadle machine from him.  It was
born on 7-11-17.  It is a singer.  I would say it is at least an 8 on
Graham's scale.  I am thrilled!!!

Sew long from FL where it is very hot and humid,
Marci
ֿ  Keep your eyes looking for that deal!!!!
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:53:37 -0800
Subject: Re: White Featherweight

FWF: I bought a Singer Darning and Embroidery Attachment #160720 for
machines 66, 99 and 201.  It is in original red and green Singer box with
original manual dated 4/52--all excellent condition which I would like to
sell or trade for same  attachment #160719 which fits 15's or 221's. E-mail
if interested.

As a proud owner of 2 FW's I would like to get some original parts and
attachments.  Let me know if you have any of these to sell: lg. black
screwdriver #25537, oil can #120862, key for '54 FW case, and/or other FW
attachments.

Ellene G
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Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 6/12/96
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:24:09 -0600

Tricia - Yes, I piece a lot of quilts and always use my Little Foot -  
the left side is 1/8" which I use for mini-quilts, the right side is  
1/4"  - mine is black but the new ones are clear, which might be even  
better.  Susie
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:25:21, -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 6/12/96

Tricia S , the Little Foot was invented by Lynn Graves and I bought
one for my first FW.  It measure exactly 1/4" while you are sewing and is
well worth buying.  I met Lynn at the Lancaster PA quilt show the last 2
years and she is a lovely lady.  Sandie 
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:20:58 GMT
Subject: Thanks Sue!

Sue, Thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into FWF.  I feel
that FWF is part of my therapy.  I had back surgery in the fall, and have
had to adjust my lifestyle.  I was always one of those persons who went full
blast all day, every day and now have had to learn to relax.  FWF gives me
an excuse to sit, relax and read when I come home from work.  As a bonus, I
have met some really nice people.

I have enjoyed hearing about others $5 &$10 bargins.  I'm happy to report
that I've joined that club.  On Saturday I stopped at a yard sale at the end
of our street - saw this old blue and white case under a table.  Opened it
and there was a blue matalic "Deluxe" (a Class 15) stright stitch machine.
Looked like it had never been used.  I asked how much it was and was told it
was $5 because there was no manual.  To make a long story short I met a new
neighbor and got another machine.  DH picked it up later and it joined the
ranks in my sewing room. Our daughter just can't understand why I want all
these machines and "Mom, where do you plan to put another one"?

I'm always on the lookout for a 15-30 to replace the one that didn't survive
one of our moves.  I have the cabinet, manual, and wood box with accessories
- just need the head in good to excellent condition.  I'm wondering if there
weren't many manufactured because I haven't seen one in years. Yesterday
after getting the car worked on in a neighboring town I decided to do
something enjoyable on the trip and look at some antique shops.  Saw a
beautiful 15-91 in cabinet with manual for $35.  I was so proud of myself
for not yeilding to tempation and announced that to both DH and DD when I
got home. Both looked at me and asked why didn't I get it.  Lesson learned:
forget trying to be good and buy the machine!

Does any one have a 128 manual?  I don't care if its orginal or a copy.  My
machine was manufactured in 1924, has a shuttle and is in a bentwood case.  

JP 
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:25:24, -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 6/11/96

  My DH bought a beautiful FW at a
garage sale with the table, oil can and many attachments and is in mint
condition.  Just found Graham's scale, probably about an 8 for $200 but the
smell of mildew is overwhelming.  Any help with that would be appreaciated.
 Thank you!  Sandie
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Date: 15 Jun 96 15:49:22 EDT
Subject: New FW Goodies

**************************************************************
             New Items for Featherweight Fanatics

         HOT! HOT! - Even Feed Attachment - HOT! HOT!
  Also  known  as  a Walking Foot or Plaid Foot, this imported    
attachment  has  been  hand fitted to work on the 221. Special 
introductory  price  for  Featherweight Fanatics - $14.95 plus 
$2.50 shipping and handling (USA). PN 451VN

The  "Lugged"  Belt,  is an improved motor belt for the FW. It 
is  more flexible than the standard singer belt and its lugged 
surface  provides more traction and prevents slipping. Your FW 
will  run  faster  and  more  smoothly with this belt. Special 
price for FWF is $5 including SH (USA). PN 1712L

Singer's  Quilting  Foot,  with  1/4  inch wide 'toes' on both 
sides  of  the  needle,  this  metal  foot  is superior to the 
plastic  "Little  Foot".  Special  price  for  FWF  is  $14.95 
including S/H. (USA). PN 35932

Little  Foot, with 1/4 inch wide 'toe' the right of the needle 
and  a 1/8th inch wide 'toe' on the left, this plastic foot is 
$24.95 including shipping (USA). PN LFOOT

The  Sewing  Machine  Blue Book, 1996/97 edition, is published 
by   Bobette  Industries.  This  is  a  Wholesale  Value  book 
published  to  help  dealers  appraise  the value of used home 
sewing  machines and sergers. Bobette has been publishing this 
booklet  for  over  25  years.  The  prices  are  derived from 
surveys,  auctions, and visits to dealers' shops. This 88 page 
booklet  covers  29  domestic sewing machine manufacturers and 
18  serger  manufacturers.  There  is  an extensive section on 
Singer  machines,  covering  models  built  from 1899 to 1996. 
Price for FWF is $19.95, plus $1 SH (USA). PN BLUE BOOK

Chris 
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:21:28 -0400
Subject: Decorah Posten Treadle???

Hi All!

Does anyone know anything about a treadle sm I saw today?  On the iron legs
was the name "Decorah Posten".  The machine head was sorta "C" shaped.  The
decal was a read and green square type design similar to what is on the
Featherweight.  Cabinet is in very good shape.  They wanted $85.  I'm
interested but don't know if this is a good buy.  I've never heard of this
name before.  PLEASE can anyone help me or let me know if I should be
interested.  

TIA

Terri J.
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:42:24 -0500
Subject: Need a manual

Hi - Does anyone have a New Home Model 702 Instruction manual.  A friend
has been searching for a copy, and I offered to ask here.

The 1996 Sewing Machine Blue book is now available for $18. plus $1
shipping.  If you want a copy, call 1-800-352-1174.

Also, a web page was created for A Stitch Back In Time, at
http://www.runtimeinfo.com/stitch

Happy Collecting!


Penney
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:57:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Model 15

Have a chance to buy a Singer Model 15 from a Singer dealer.  Called the
singer 800# and it was made in '35.  Price is $60.  What is the difference
between the 15 and the 15-91?  The lady said that the feed dogs don't drop.
Would anyone care to give me advice on this one?  Is that a good price, and
is it a good machine for quilt piecing?  It is in a bentwood case.

Thanks again,
Jenifer
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 21:50:19 -0400
Subject: Griest buttonhole attachment

Hi again!

I just tried out my new Greist buttonhole attachment and I am THRILLED!
 :)))))

I can't believe how wonderful it works!!!   This morning, I tried putting in
3 buttonholes on a nightgown I made with my White model 645 that has a built
in button hole dial
(You turn the knob for each step of the button hole).  I don't use this
machine much anymore as I prefer my "vintage" models.  Also I really don't do
much as far as sewing clothing, mostly quiilting and crafts.  Anyway, my
buttonholes turned out LOUSY! 
They really look awful and I am quite embarrased!  My machine is acting up to
say the least.  I was lucky enough to get this attachment for only $4.50.  I
works extremly well and also on my featherweight.  Perfect buttonholes every
single time!!!!  

I remember when I was a child, I would look at my moms buttonhole attachment
and I always thought the little cams looked like peanuts.  I never really
knew what they were for.  What a fabulous invention.  Sometimes, you just
can't improve on things.  I really don't think I will be using my 645
anymore. 

It's funny,  I've heard how many manuals get lost.  People buy their new
machines and the "old" manuals get put with the  "new" stuff.  Well my "new"
manual is with my "old" machine.  Ha-Ha!

Terri J
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:42:45 -0700
Subject: Old Sewing Machine

I thought those of you who are Featherweight Fanatics might enjoy my story.
No, I don't own one--YET--but I keep an eye out for one all the time.  I was
at a flea market recently and an old oak portable sewing cabinet caught my
eye.  When I lifted the cover off, I found a machine that looked a lot like
the featherweight, but as the base is solid oak, it weighs a ton!  The best
part, though, is that the sewing machine was made by Western Electric.  My
dad was a plant engineer with the Indianapolis works before he retired (they
closed later).  Dad said they were made during the depression to keep people
busy.  It's beautiful!  I asked the lady if it worked, and misunderstanding
me, she said, "I won't take any less than $45.00 for it!"  My dad rewired,
oiled, and cleaned it, and he says it works great.  It has a shuttle rather
than a bobbin, and has friction drive rather than belts--really cool!  I
haven't tried it out, as I only bought it for decoration, but it's a real
treasure to me--and if any of you know any more about these machines, both
Dad and I would love to hear from you!

Teri D
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Date:          Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:13:59 +0000
Subject:       New addition


Hi everybody, I just had to tell you about my latest purchase. I 
stopped at a Singer dealer in a neighbouring town, just to see what 
he had. There were two Featherweights in the window, both not for 
sale, but I have two already, and I'm not looking for another. 
Anyway, I saw a black machine on a shelf and upon looking closer I 
find it's a 310A. Now before I joined this group I was happy with my 
one featherweight, but you all are a major influence - I had never 
even seen a 301 before, but I knew that it is popular in this group, 
and when I saw it I fell in love. It looks so different from the 
other Singers that I've seen, and this one is in excellent shape. 
There is  no wear on the paint, just the normal scratches you would 
see on a sewing machine that is used. Well the  price was $ 139. 
($100 in U.S. funds) so I took it. It has the manual, only three feet 
and it sews beautifully. The dealer had already gone over it and made 
sure that it's in good running order.  It didn't have a case, but he 
gave me one just to put it in, after making sure I knew  it wasn't 
original. If anybody has any hints or tips about my new baby, just 
let me know, since I'm on new ground with this one.
Anyway, I'm thrilled to death, now I have to find out what a 99 and a 
66 look like, just so I'll recognize them if I run across them 
somewhere. Thanks for letting me go on, none of my friends understand 
 these old machines I keep buying. Bye for now

Nancy D


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