Featherweight Fanatics Archives

May 1996

Sunday, May 12th - Saturday, May 18th

Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 06:23:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 301 automatic zigzagger

I made a great find at a yard sale today - I seem to find JUST enough to
keep me hunting, although I have to go through an awful lot of junk to find
one or two treasures! I bought an automatic zigzagger for my 301s - it's in
its box with 4 cams, but no instructions, although I can probably figure it
out. This is my first zigzag attachment, so I'm really pleased, especially
since I only had to pay $1 for it! I actually passed on several portable
machines this weekend - three Singers of too recent vintage to be of
interest to me (and they weren't cheap enough for me to be even tempted!)
and a Dressmaker that weighed a ton! However, I wasn't perfect, I couldn't
resist ANOTHER cabinet machine that isn't even a Singer. It's a Necchi
Supernova with all its attachments. It's in Sincere's book saying it's a
very early automatic zigzag machine, from the mid-1950's, and so of course I
couldn't resist. Seems to run very nicely, but I don't have it home yet
(couldn't load it in my car without my husband's help - guess I can't hide
THIS from him!), so I'm picking it up today. Can't wait to get it home to
play! It really is a disease, but I do enjoy it! Sue M.
Subject: 301 Survey Results-Part 1
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 23:08:24 -0500

THANKS to all who responded to the 301 mini-survey!!!  We were able to 
collect information on nineteen machines, so I think that's great.  
Certainly, it's a small sample by *scientific* standards, but I think we 
got enough to draw a few conclusions.  Nothing earth-shattering here, 
but FWFanatics seem to thrive on tidbits, so here goes, by category: 

     Seven 301s:   NA011124 to NA141565
     Twelve 301As:    NA196408 to NA384712 (eight machines)
                      and    NB003248 to NB06050020
Clearly, the 301s have the lower, and presumably earlier, serial 
DATES OF MANUFACTURE:   About 2/3 of the respondents had tried to get 
dates from Singer.  All of these had gotten one of three pat answers 
from Singer:   "We don't know",  "Sometime between 1953 and 1959" , or 
"May 29,1951".  Yes, folks, eight of our nineteen machines had 
supposedly the same birthday of 5-29-51, and no, the serial numbers were 
not even close, ranging from NA033901 to NB060500.  Not to mention the 
glaring discrepancy between the 1953-59 manufacturing span (which is 
from the blue book of sewing machines, not a Singer publication, I was 
told) and the May 1951 date.   Dates of manuals don't always jive, 
either.   One person had been told the 5-29-51 by Singer, and had a 1953 
manual, while another who had been told the 1953-59 span had a machine 
with a 1951 manual.  Personal comment:  Though the Singer reps who say 
they don't know strike us as being less helpful, perhaps they are, in 
fact, being more helpful by not giving out contradictory information?   
Also, does anyone have or know of a Centennial model 301 that would 
support a 1951 manufacture date?

PLANT OF MANUFACTURE:  Only six  machines reported a plant of 
manufacture, and all  were Anderson (South Carolina).  There were three 
each of the 301s and 301As (across almost the full span of SNs, both 
NA's and NB's), so the "A" in 301A does NOT seem to designate Anderson 
as opposed to another plant.   In fact, since all of the machines in the 
survey have NA or NB serial numbers, they all should have been made at 
Anderson, according to Graham's prefix list.    Unless somebody out 
there has a 301 with a different prefix, it looks like all  301s and 
301As were made there. 

In the interest of space and not delaying this until I have a chance to 
finish it, I am going to send  this portion now and will send the rest 
by Monday.  Thank you all for your patience and participation!

Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 13:07:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/11/96 - Happy Mothers Day!!

Hi!  Just thought I'd introduce myself and tell you what I found this week.
I'm Carol Coski and live in southern Vermont where I have a small quilt shop
named Quilt-a-way. 

I've been subscribing to this list for a week or two and *fanatics* is the
perfect word! Once you get one, you HAVE to get another........and another!

Anyway, Wednesday morning, DH woke up and told me of a dream he had.  We
went into a store and he tripped on something.  He look down to see what it
was and he found a FW.
I asked him WHERE but he said he woke up too fast.  I tried to convince him
to go back to sleep so we could find it, but that didn't work!

So, on Wednesday, my day off, I headed to Massachusetts to return something
at the mall but stopped at an antique store that I had never been to before.
There were two really old treddle sewing machines (not Singers), one with a
wooden case and both were in cabinets. As I knew nothing about these, I
walked through to the last barn (there were three barns nailed together to
make one big building) and there was a Singer in cabinet with a bread box
sitting atop of it.  I removed the bread box and peeked inside.  Singer!
Beautiful condition!

I looked for a price but there was none.  Jokingly, my husband said to the
owner, "This one must be free!"  The owner replied, he'd find the price.  He
looked and looked, all the while mumbling something about his wife.  I asked
if it worked and he ran a cord and she purred so I asked again, "How much?"
He mumbled, "Take it for $35" and I did!  I got it in the car and THEN paid
him.  Didn't want him to change his mind!

It is a 66 #AG194949 born 9-30-41 and she is a true beauty!  The gold work
is perfect!
Even the light works!  

I'm sure his wife must have had a few choice words for him when she got back!

I have also purchased a FW (not there) and am anxiously awaiting its
arrival.  Will tell you all about it when it arrives.

Happpy Mother's Day to you!  I'm smiling  :)

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:37:58 -0400
Subject: Hi all,

TO:  Joy B 
My grandmother has a bottonhole attachment for her 99-13.  The manual is
copyrighted in 1946 by Singer.  On the last page is an ad for 5 different
Singer gadgets including a hand pinker.  "For finishing seams.  Pinks a wide
variety of materials including oil cloth, felt and leather."

TO:  Liz F 
I enjoyed your story about the two featherweights for $25 each because it hit
so close to home.  I learned how to sew in the fourth grade in the Central
Valley (CA) through the 4-H club from the wife of a milk farmer.  She was
stern, but was a good teacher.  And my two sisters and I have thought about
getting in touch with her to thank her 30+ years later.  She also had 4 or 5
featherweights with tables which I would love to have, of course.  You were
so fortunate to be in the right place at the right time.  We lived close to
Modesto.  Where are you?  --Mari 
Date: 12 May 96 18:02:20 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/11/96 - Happy Mothers Day!!

Hi Terry

The 99 and 128 will be in the recognition manual that Bobbie will be producing.
Have nothing on the 301

Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 17:59:19 -0600
Subject: Flea Market finds

I wandered off to a monthly flea market today.... you know the sort, mostly
junk with a capital J, but every now and then.....

My first purchase was a tiny little packet of Army &Navy needles.... just
the size for half a dozen or so needles.  Made in Germany, which puts it
probably pre-WWI.  Previously I'd only seen the large folders, about 2"" x
4" or so, holding a couple dozen needles. So this was fun to find, and the
price was quite reasonable.

I also saw a Willcox and Gibbs machine, electric, very odd looking (I
wonder if it was an older machine that a motor had been added to?  Or were
all of these machines odd looking by ordinary Singer standards?).  The
dealer wanted $150, which may have been very reasonable, but I didn't want
it that badly.

Last, I stopped a booth full of the strangest assortment of goods. Looked
very much like someone had just upended the contents of several junk
drawers onto the tables.  The "sale" table had a Singer buttonholer (green
box but predating the egg-shaped one, I'm pretty certain; it's a
rectangular case, I'd guess from the 40's), and I decided I'd buy it
because it was a good price.  As I picked it up to look at it, the young
man tending the booth said I could have all four of the sewing things (his
words, not mine) for a particular price.... also very reasonable.  So I
took them all without really looking at them. When I got home, I took a
closer look. Besides the Singer buttonholer (which has 4 or 5 cams, as I
recall, but no manual), I have: a Greist zig-zagger; a box labeled "Rotary
Attachments" with a zipper foot and a ruffler and some other pieces I
haven't figured out yet; and a box labeled Montgomery Ward containing a
Greist buttonholer with 3 or 4 cams.  As I sort the stuff out and check my
own collection, I may find I have a couple of things to sell. I'll post the
details and prices when the time comes.

Lisa, who is good at finding odds and ends, and who has a lovely FW
already, but who wishes the elusive dirt cheap FW would come her way, just
so she could gloat about it. ;)
Date: 09 May 96 12:24:02 EDT
Subject: Contribution

True stories number 16

Antique dealers and auction houses are never the best of friends. Each, to a
degree saps the others business.
An auction house will point out that it gets a fair price and seeks only a
percentage profit whilst the antique dealer looks for the biggest-possible mark
On the other hand, an antique dealer points out that he is putting his own 
up front and spends most of his business life hunting down his stock. Auction
houses, he will point out, risk no capital, have little expertise and win
whether they sell the goods or not.
A couple of years back this came to a head with the first-ever prosecution of 
auction "ring".
A "ring" works like this: Five dealers all of whom are intersted in an item
decided not to bid against each other but elect one to buy the item for, say,
$100. Later that day in a pub or cafe the five meet again and the item is
auctioned anew with each member of the ring bidding until it is sold for,
perhaps, $600.
The $600 is counted out on the table and the man who originally bought and paid
for the item takes his $100 outlay from the pot and pockets it.
Now the five share out the remaining $500.
Net result is that one man has bought an item for the market price and then got
a $100 rebate and those who failed to buy got a $100 bonus for nothing.
Everyone wins except, of course, for the original vendor and the auction house.
This ringing, and systems like it are not legal in the UK but the difficulty of
proving a ring meant not a single prosecution until a couple of years back when
a group of dealers who had operated a ring for many years were caught and
Seems that they had used the same corner table in the same cafe for every
private auction and eventually at one "sale" a video camera behind a tea urn
recorded all for the court to view shortly afterwards.
The ring still operates, of course, but now there is not one cafe but a dozen,
plus a couple of clubs and five pubs. One of the ring said to me:
"Just how many cameras can the police have?"

Graham F
Date: 09 May 96 12:41:27 EDT
Subject: Contribution

To Judy re valuation

Without an official valuation an insurance company is unlikely to pay out more
than a couple of hundred dollars for what they will consider a secondhand 
If your friend wants to send me a picture, I'll do an official valuation (no
charge). I've done this in America many times and insurance companies' seem to
accept my figures.

To Kim re FW models
If you know anyone who subscribes to ISMACS, the current copy of the magazine
has a multi-page article by FWF's Caroline Ybarra dealing with the different
models and why the FW is so sought after. FWs are nor a regul;ar feature of

To Mary re books
There is a list of books available from the International Sewing Machine
Collectors' Society. Some are out of print but we list them for reference and
always source them eventually for members. The list is too long to post here 
I will e-mail you a copy. 
The 80-page book refered to is a Singer recognition guide with pictures and
details of about 150 models from the 1870s to the 1980s. It will be copied in
the USA to save postage and details will be posted on FWF when it is available.

To Rudy re copy job
Thanks a million but we've got this under control now.

This mail sent a couple of days back, bounced so am trying again

Graham F
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:47:08, -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/27/96

Hi Fanatics-
Can anybody help me locate an original instruction manual for my 222k
free-arm machine? Please send E-mail 
Thanks, Joe
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:42:51 -0400
Subject: What I need

Now that I'm back in the same house as my reference books, I think my $25
flea market find is a 66, SN # G9641368.  What threw me at first is that the
decals illustrated in the Slaten book (used ONLY as a visual ref) are not
what's on my machine.  But the throat plate and bobbin winder match up.  Also
looking at the picture there looks to be a piece of the bobbin winder

Then on my way back from getting the dog food today, I got pulled into an
antique mall by some unknown mysterious force.  And picked up some new
"toys."  I found a picture of one, page 173 of the Carter Bays, a Singer New
Family "Fiddle Bed", SN#5279787  149787.  All it is is the head, nothing else
: (  There's no belt cover , but it does have the shuttle.

I also found one of those oil cans that everyone is talking about.  3 oz
Green oval complete with cap and some oil.  I also found a very sad Wilcox &
Gibbs, no chrome table, and very banged up.  But for $22 I had to bring it
home.  Unlike my other one, the lower wheel has a wooden handle, I was
figuring I would switch it to my other W&G, but know that I look at a
picture, that's still not the "right" hand crank for it, but it will work,
until I find the right one.

I'm looking for a part, and  a manual for the 66, a manual for the New Family
"Fiddle Bed".  As well as the hand crank for the W&G.  Does anyone know where
I can find some kind of base for these machines.  The New Family has nothing
and the 66 is in a case from the 40's

Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:24:41
Subject: Service Warning

I have enclosed a portion of a short note that I just received from 
my wife.  She had just arrived back home by plane after a visit to 
where I am working.  She had the following to say about her flight. 
It might be of use to some.

"Someone sitting across the isle saw I had a featherweight.  She 
was in her mid 20's and her parents had given her the machine.  
Daddy was sitting in the row in front of her.  The took the machine 
to a Singer place in Tustin for some repair service and when they 
went to pick it up the Singer man said we had to change the foot 
pedals as yours was no good.  He had used a non-Singer replacement 
part.  They found out from someone else that these repair places 
are swaping parts and giving non original pieces and then the 
repair man can sell off your good stuff.  They went back to the 
singer guy for the old foot pedal and he said he had thrown it 
away.  Bet not."

This is just an alert to make sure that you tell your service man 
to save all the old parts for you, so you can check it out.

Subject: Vesta

	I just read Chris's note about a Vesta head he had just found.  I had  
just purchased a Vesta the end of April in N Ca.  The one I found has an 
oscillating or rotary shuttle?  It is a treadle with a knee pedal to raise the 
pressor foot.  Obviously a commercial machine.  The treadle has a extra large 
wheel.  This machine was really clean though I did oil it, cleaned it a little. 
 Once I was able to manage the treadle the machine almost ran away from me.  I 
mean it was meant for speed. It really is a joy to sew on.  
	The plate over the bobbin in marked OTTO FGERNARDT DRESDEN MARIENSTR.14
The serial number is 1204759 with a little G.
	Adding this to Chris's information should make it all the more 
interesting.  Hope we find out losts more. 

Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:53:56 -0700
Subject: Hi

Do you know how I could get a manuel for the singer model 348 ver it's 28 
years old and my mom need's to know how to run it again thanks.
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 23:04:33, -0500
Subject: Freearm FW FOR SALE

I have a 1957 freearm FW for sale, rated an 8+ on the scale, with 
accessories (no darning hoops), case (in excellent shape) with key 
AND manual.  Great machine but DH says some machines must go.  He 
can't get to his share of the "hobby room"!  $1400 plus shipping.  If 
interested e-mail me.

Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 00:29:29 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/11/96 - Happy Mothers Day!!

i don't know if you can help me but i bought a White sewing machine today -
lightweight and case is in fantastic shape.  i thought from a distance i had
landed a featherweight.  anyhow, do you know how i can get a manual or
bobbins or whatever for it??  guess, i am still looking for my featherweight.

Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 22:15:14 -080
Subject: My First FW

Hi my name is Lori and I just subscribed to the FWF.  I have been 
quilting for about three years and never new about FW's until I 
joined the Sun Country Quilting Guild.  So of course 
I had to have at least one.  I just bought an anniversary model with 
about nine attachments,manual, and oil can. the case is about an 8 
and the machine is probably about an 8 or 9  I paid $450.00 and it 
sews like a dream   I like it so much that I found another a 1938 fw 
its probably a 9 or even a 10 with case (a 7) and a button holer for 
$335.00.  Now I have my eye on a 1935 singer in the bentwood case,  
more details later.  well, thanks for listening.  
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:36:11 +0800
Subject: Re: Anyone interested?

>Just this very minute read this in the FWFanatics mailing list, thought
>there might be someone interested here:-
>>Oh! I nearly forgot. Any of you living in Australia may be interested in a
>>222K FW in 'as new condition'. The asking price is $300(Australian). For
>>further information call Mrs. Cooper in Adelaide (S.A.) on (08) 356 743

Thanks, Dawn, but too late!
This may teach me to read my mail promptly ( I do subscribe to FWFanatics,
but only read the posting from Brenda on Saturday night).
Mrs Cooper had "about 20" calls (all from the US) on Thursday, and a number
of others on Friday and Saturday. By Sunday when I rang she was blase about
the Internet and was not surprised that I had read about the machine there.
She was really more surprised that I was Australian!
She sold the machine on Thursday to a caller from the US - UNFAIR!
Please Scquilters and other denizens of Oz, if you come across a FW needing
a new home, let me know.

Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:01:31 +1000
Subject: New Home

I have a new old machine and I hope someone can tell me something about it.
It's a New Home machine, gear driven hand crank vibrating shuttle, hinged to
a cast iron base.  The base has a scalloped edge.  It is marked New Home
Model T Manufactured by New Home Sewing Machine Co. Orange Mass. USA.  Two
gold medallions on the centre of the bed are crowned by a picture of a
greyhound and the words Light Running.  The left seal has the words Republic
Francais and the typical helmeted female figure.  The right one has
Exposition Universelle 1889 and two more classical figures above what could
be the Seine and the Eiffel Tower.  The serial number is on both the shuttle
cover and the bed immediately below and is T 121718.  Would I be right in
assuming that this is a machine made to be exhibited at the French
Bicentennial exhibition of 1889, or as a celebration of that exhibition?  
Thanks for anything you can tell me about it, it's rather attractive even
though most of the nickel plating is flaking off. I've been able to get it
working again, but haven't trien to sew with it yet.
Date: 12 May 96 18:02:54 EDT
Subject: Contribution

To Terri

The Willcox and Gibbs on he metal tray should have had a geared crank off to 
right. Even the 1873 date is 'way too early. It was simply a date of one of the
early W&G patents. Likely date for this hand crank is around 1910.
I'm not going to get into who inveneted the sewing machine -- would take up a
complete FWF and then some. Safe to say machines were not in homes in any
quantity before 1855.

Can't help you a lot about the Improved New Cottage except to say that it was
produced by the AG Mason Manufacturing Co -- a company which specialised 
the English spelling) in making machines for department stores, mail order
catalogues (so's that) in the 1910 to 1940 period.

To Bette 
Thanks for the well-meant warning about copyright. I know you are right
When one provides a service such as sending a photocopied manual to the owner 
a machine who cannot get one any other way, one weighs the risk of doing a good
The risk here, of course, us that the Singer Co will discover this act of
serious copyright theft and marshall its corporate lawyers into conference from
the four corners of the world to come crashing down on a housewife in Santa 
who sends a 20-page booklet to a pen pal in Chicago.
Of course, they might just consider that the resulting publicity would have a
negative re-action.........
We've been publishing ISMACS News for over 10 years now.. In it I'm sure,there
are pictures and stories which, in theory,  break strict copyright laws. The
magazine is taken by The Smithsonian Institution, the British Museum and
reference libraries all over the world. Not one rap over the knuckles, let 
a legal action. Thing is that we are producing information, that is not
currently available, on a non-profit basis -- not ripping off others for our 
gain as in softwear, video and record piracy.
Some time back I, quite by chance, discovered a bookseller in Belgium who had
photocopied a long out of print book that I had written years before. I had two
choices. One was to prosecute. The other, which I chose, was to sign the 20 or
so clone books that he had in stock, congratulate him on his  enterprise and
accept a cup of tea in payment.
In other words, let's not get this out of proportion.

Graham F
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:33:05 -0400
Subject: other old items

Since I have NEVER run across anyone in my entire life who has these besides
myself, nor have I seen any in antique shops and now someone named Mary on
this List with no email address mentioned them I will quickly interject here
that I have a very well-loved set of sad irons.  This consists of two VERY
HEAVY cast iron pointed ovals (8"X3") and one silly looking handle
contraption that clips onto one or the other of the irons.  The point being
that one is heating on the stove while you are using the other one.  They
work like a charm and I have used them again this year as the power goes off
frequently here and I am often sewing when it does!  Since I keep a working
treadle macine and my sad irons and a wood stove in reserve I just keep
going!  However, I do prefer electricity ;->  Henrietta 
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 09:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Spartan

I have read recently about a couple of other people looking for information 
on a Spartan made by Singer.  I purchased a Spartan at a rummage sale this 
weekend.  Mine also did not have a top and it did not come with a manual or 
any attachments.   The woman I bought it from said the only problem with it 
was adjusting the tension.  After figuring out how to thread it (it is very 
similiar to my 99 and 66's) and playing with the tension it sews great but 
the stiches are really tiny and I haven't had any luck adjusting the stitch 
length.  If anyone has a manual or any information on this machine I would 
like to hear from them.

I also went to an auction yesterday because there was a FW listed.  This was 
my first experience at an auction and up until the FW it seemed like the 
bidding would be easy - only a couple of people were bidding on each item 
and the prices were reasonable.  It was a different story when the FW came 
up for bid - all of a sudden everyone was bidding on it (at least it seemed 
like everyone!)  it ended up going for $425 (too much for me).  The machine 
was in okay condition but not great, the case was quite worn and it didn't 
have a tray in the case or a manual or any attachments.  I was quite 
disappointed but I will just keep looking!  I sure have accumulated alot of 
other singers in my search for a FW.  My favorite so far is my 301 - I have 
been using it for all of my quilting since I got it.  In fact my SO 
commented that I never use my Pfaff anymore so why don't we put it in our 
rummage sale!  Of course I had to explain to him that I needed it in case I 
want to zigzag!

Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:24:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: New to me machine

Hello, SSM experts:

I picked up an old Singer this week end in pristine condition.  It has 
what I believe should be described as an ocsillating shuttle.  Everything 
is in such perfect condition, including the walnut bentwood case, that I 
can't believe it.  The knee pedal is missing though, as well as the power 
cord.  I just got through to Singer and the assistant said that it is a 
#128, BD 2/9/37.  I finally found something older than me!  Does anyone 
have a manual for a 128 from that era that they would mind selling or 
copying?  I'll pay!!!  I also am looking for the cord and the knee 
lever.  My lever from my 15-91 does fit so I may have to have one made.  
I am going to have to have it rewired as the wires going from the motor 
to the electical connections are very "crusty."

Which leads me to my next question.  Does anyone know a really good 
Singer man in east central Iowa?  I am almost envious of those of you 
that can trust your old machines to people who really know what they are 
doing!!  Before I try to have this machine fixed I thought I'd ask.

Also this week end I found a couple of 66's.  One, a 66-16 in wonderful 
condition in a small cabinet with stool for $90.  This one has a manual 
and all attachments in really good condition.  I did not look at the 
other one very closely except to see that it also is in great condition.  
It was in a later model portable case.

The other machine was one that I couldn't inspect very closely since it 
was back in the corner with other things piled chest high in front of 
it.  It hadn't been moved in decades.  Very dusty but in a walnut 
cabinet; condition unknown (the dust was in the way).  This machine 
appeared to be old, old, old.  It is (I think) a Wheeler and Wilson #9.  
The dealer had a box of attachments that went with this machine.  Any 
idea as to value?  He did not have a clue.

Well, that was my week end of fun.  Thanks again for your help.

Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:40:10 -0400
Subject: 66

I've been reading this digest for a couple of weeks - and you guys are the
I went to an auction this weekend that was a two-day blow-out of two
estates.  There was an absolutely perfect featherweight - not a scratch on
her - the bobbins had thread on them, so I knew the machine had been used
once - but you couldn't prove to me that it had been used more than that.
Anyway, the first day of the auction they started with a lot of JUNK laid
out in rows outside.  Boxes of cans, jars, lawn chairs, plastic containers,
etc.  On one corner, with a stepladder on top of it and broken flower pots
underneath, was the table to the featherweight.  Slightly scratched and beat
up - not in the pristine condition of its companion - but with insert, and
standing on its own four legs.  I waited.  I paced.  I said nothing to my
quilt guild buddies who showed up.  Finally, I bid.  TWO bucks.  With a
junky chair thrown in for good measure!  ITS MINE!!!  Now for the machine.
I waited all day just to have the auction stop for the night right before
they got to it.  The next morning they started at the other end of the room!
Thought I would go nuts.  3 hours later he finally got to the machine.  Just
in time for several members of my guild to show back up.  My heart sank.
$530.  Surprised the auctioneer (he started it at $25) I dropped out at the
very end.  Just couldn't pay $540.  It went to a good home though - one of
my buddies.  Some buddy.
Anyway, on Sunday, I stopped by another auction just out of curiousity - no
sewing machines listed - and found two - a  New Stockman treadle in good
condition - very pretty - (went for $120) and a Singer 66 (in the barn!)but
in pretty clean condition.  The 66 is mine now ($30) but needs some help.
If anyone out there has a throat plate, bobbin case, bobbins, and manual for
sale, please let me know.  The machine has a really unusual finish - sort of
rough, flat black, with some gold trim.  When I say rough - I mean it isn't
smooth like other painted/enameled finishes.  Sorry to babble on so long -
but I guess I got excited!  I love the hunt!

Ann C
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 11:19:28 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/9/96

Hi Everyone.....

I am so excited.  DH just gave me my mothers day present a day early.  (NO it
isn't a FW)  Actually I'm not sure what it is.....maybe a 99k or a 66?  It
has an AD serial # and the Breadbox case (I am assuming the breadbox is the
smaller domed wood case as I have seen some that are bigger than this one -
are they the "bentwood" ones?)  It has a drop in bobbin and knee lever to
drive it.  It has its oil can and green box of accessories.  The box is in
pretty bad shape one side of the top is completely detached (would it be
sacrelige to scotch tape it back on?)  The key to the case is here too!!  And
the original tube of motor lubricant (Yuk)  A bunch of strange feet - One is
a zipper foot and one for narrow rolled hems and pehaps one is for attaching
bindings.  Two more I am clueless about.......One might be for gathering??
 The other I am at a complete loss......  Oh and the seam guide.  Also some
narrow metal bodkins (to thread elastic).  

Alas -- No manuel.  I don't know how to thread it or what class/kind of
bobbin to buy.  It only has one.  The machine is so classic.  I would rate it
as a 5.  Definate wear on the gold in front.  A couple minor dings in the
paint if you hunt and some "rumpling" of the paint on the bed.  And the
dreaded pin scratchs in the Singer logo on the arm (from a "pin cusion" no
doubt).  I pluged her in and she hums away like she will stitch great.  

Bye for now - got to go clean my machine (much more fun than cleaning house)

Date:         Mon, 13 May 96 11:41:05 EDT
Subject:      New Featherweights

Hello everyone!
On Sunday while visiting my mother, she showed me a new Singer Featherweight
offered in the current issue of the Spiegel catalog.  I don't remember
the exact price, but it was under $200.  It was very streamlined in
appearance and I could see that there were settings for zigzag stitching.
The catalog description listed it as 14 pounds in weight.  Does anyone
out there know anything about this new machine?

Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 09:09:12 -0800
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/12/96

Hi Everyone!
   This weekend I was out looking in Antique Stores etc. I came 
across a treadle Singer with a Egyptian bust on it in gold and other 
really embellished gold scroll. I don't remember if the serial number 
started with L or there was no letter in the serial number. 

   I was really taken with the Egyptian bust! All the other scroll! 
But the machine had the gold wore off in front of the needle area and 
had a lot of small pit marks in this area also.

   Anyone know anything about this machine?

Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:13:24 -0900 (PDT)
Subject: It's a New Family Model!!

Last week I brought home my treadle and promptly called Singer; 
it's a New Family DOB is July 13, 1987!  It truly is a work of art, 
the only wear seems to be normal from lots of sewing!  It does have 
a shuttle bobbin and I have no idea how to fill it (though it does 
have some thread in it).  I'm waiting for my manual.

Any tips on using this machine?  I've never used a treadle and I 
bought it to use vs. save.  Right choice??  People keep asking me, 
What's it worth?  To me, it's worth more than I paid for it, but is 
there a resource for valuing?  Should I get it insured?  

I'm now in search of that elusive Featherweight!

Thank you.
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:24:20 -0400
Subject: magazine article

I have an article on dollmaking to give away to first respondent.  It is a
1979 article fromMcCall's Needlework &Crafts, featuring Edwardian dolls,
spoon dolls, leaf dolls, and peddler dolls.  Patterns included. 

Also a 1979 magazine ad for a Singer CREATIVE TOUCH FASHION machine.  Model
number could be 1030 - hard to read. Free to first respondent.

For Sale: Short shank buttonholer #160506 in black plastic case.  Includes
not only feed cover plate/screw and 5 original templates, but also separate
box of 4 additional templates. $25 includes shipping costs.

Email privately for either item.  Thanks. Millie
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 22:42:41 GMT
Subject: 66

Hi to all, 
           I've had such fun hunting down new machines this last month.Alot
of this had to do with a few very nice people. Today a model 66 found its
way to my house and I'm so happy nobody contacted me about the manual I
posted last week for I finally found a machine to go with it.A dealer
friend gave my number to someone trying to sell this machine. I offered
$25.00 and told the woman I intended to use it for my quilting. She
hesitated and said she'd call back after trying some local shops to see if
she could get more.I didn't think I'd hear from her again but I'm happy to
say 2 weeks later she contacted me and said she'd like to bring it over to
me.ASAP said I.It turns out she did have a better offer than mine but it
had been a family machine and she liked the idea that I wanted it to sew,
not to just show.Called Singer and lo and behold I have my new 66 in a
cabinet, BDate of 7-27. Singer was very helpful and the Rep. actually had
me on the phone for 10 min. talking old machines.This 66 is one of the
early electric models in a cabinet which I'm not to sure is the origional.
Maybe, but it has that 60's antique finish that was popular at the
time.Very complex wiring to the knee control which I'll replace this week.
Looks to scary to plug it in.All parts seem to be in order and tomorrow
she'll drop off a wooden box she forgot to bring.She has no idea whats in
it, she doesn't sew.The head is in good shape but very used. Some gold worn
off in front and dings to the bed but I've made her shine already. God
bless people who don't put these out in the shed for 20 years.Makes our job
a whole lot easier. 
To Bette 
             Your posting about copying manuals sounded a bit chilly to me.
I'm not overly concerned with the Singer IGs finding out that we are
helpful to eachother.No one here makes money copying an instruction manual
to send to some poor fanatic trying to figure out how to thread a bobbin on
some 75yr. old machine.Singer will send you a complimentary copy of
machines produced before 1924. After that you can order a zerox copy thru
your Singer dealer for a fee.Those copies are hardly legible to say the
least. I have a couple myself.As a bookseller, I'm sure your interest must
be personal, but be assured I don't believe we'll be cutting into your
profits......unless of course you sell Singer manuals..........? 
To Judy, 
       I've got a 66 manual I'd be happy to copy for you if you'd like. 
Bye for now, 
Date:          Mon, 13 May 1996 19:31:28 +0000
Subject:       Re: A new Baby FW!

Hi everybody, I'm so excited I could hardly wait to get home and 
start typing. Today I was out for a drive after my Bernina started 
acting up when I was quilting (I got so frustrated I figured I'd 
better go for a drive) and I stopped at a local junk barn that has 
two buildings full to the rafters of everything imaginable. I 
strolled around, but didn't see anything for sewing, and as I was 
heading out, I mentioned that I was just looking for an old sewing 
machine. The guy went to a trailer and pulled out a machine called a 
Munslo Victoria. It has a long bobbin, and a knee bar for the power. 
He wanted $50. for it so I said I'd take it, just because it was so 
cute - he then said if I wanted to see a cute machine, he had one. He 
went into the barn and crawled under a table and came up with a blue 
leatherette case. He opened it up and pulled out a white 
Featherweight! I tried to maintain a bit of calm as I admired the 
cute little machine. He started telling me about how all the quilters 
want this machine and they just go crazy when they see them. I asked 
how much he was asking and he said $150. I told him I'd take it , but 
them I couldn't afford the other today, so he said he'd hold on to 
the Munslo for me til I could afford it. So now I'm the proud owner 
of a white Featherweight! It says Made in Canada on the bottom and 
the serial number is EV950558. There are a dozen bobbins and a zipper 
foot and the original manual with it. I am thrilled, but now I want 
to know about this Munslo Victoria - does anyone have any info on 
this one. I figure fifty bucks is a good price, but I'm not familiar 
with the company at all, so a bit of imput would help, since I will 
be getting it in a couple of weeks.
I know I've been long winded, but you people are the only ones who I 
knew would understand my excitement. I'm going to clean up my new 
machine now, I'll let you know how it sews, and the condition in 
another post.

Subject: for sale

I have two singer 66-19's. Both are in cabinets. One has a black button hole
attachment and accessories, the other has a few accessories but is in fine
condition about an 8 or 9. If anyone has any questions e-mail or call me
Subject: 301 Survey Results-Part 2
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:19:00 -0500

Since sending Part 1, I've received one more survey (thanks, Sheila!).   
It won't change anything in Part 1, but now the total machines will be  
20.  For this next part, I thought about just charting the figures, but  
I 'm afraid it would get all broken up in transmission (esp. with my 
problem :) )  So I'll try to summarize raw numbers and possible  

PLUG CONFIGURATIONS:  I apologize for not clarifying this at the  
outset-I hope everyone now understands what this means.
12 DOUBLES-all also were short beds*
8 SINGLES-mix of long and short beds
OF 301s-six doubles, one single
OF 301As-six doubles, seven singles

5 LONG BEDS-all had single plugs, four had carrying cases (one had none)
14 SHORT BEDS-11 double plugs, 3 single plugs; includes all the cabinet  
and table machines, but also two carrying case machines.
1 LONG, but looks like the bed has been replaced. When it is the  
exception to an otherwise unanimous trait, I've put an *.
OF 301s-all surveyed had short beds*
OF 301As-8 short and 4 long beds

7 CARRYING CASES (one soft-sided)
OF 301s-3 cabinets, 2 cases, 1 table, 1 none
OF 301As-4 cabinets, 5 cases, 1 table, 3 none

OF 301s-6 were black, 1 cocoa
OF 301As-3 were black, 8 cocoa, 2 two-tone

If this all seems a little muddy to you,  it's because it IS muddy!  My 
summary of the whole thing is that there really weren't consistent 
differences between the 301 and 301A, at least from the items we 
surveyed. For a long time, it looked like all 301s WERE black, then we 
got one cocoa. I thought perhaps the few black 301As would turn out to 
be "transitional", bearing the lowest SNs of the 301As.  That didn't 
hold either.  While the 301s are all short beds*, they aren't all 
cabinet or table models, or even double plugs.  Machines that have 
cabinets do all have short beds and all but one have double plugs.  But 
there are other combinations of short beds and double plugs, too.  And 
none of those fall exclusively to either the 301 or the 301A.  It would 
be fun if we had discovered some neat difference between the two, but 
looking at the serial numbers, I think the safest thing to say from our 
survey is that the 301s were made first, then the 301A.  You might even 
be able to say that MOST 301s are black and MOST 301As are cocoa or 
two-tone.  If  anyone sees something I missed, or would like something 
clarified, please e-mail me.

Thanks again to everyone who participated!
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 21:58:51 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/12/96

In a message dated 96-05-13 09:19:36 EDT, you write:

>The 80-page book refered to is a Singer recognition guide with pictures and
>details of about 150 models from the 1870s to the 1980s. It will be copied
>the USA to save postage and details will be posted on FWF when it is

please let me know when this is available - this is all new to me and i am
very excited about it!!

thanks, rudy
Subject: Buttonholers and etc. for sale
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 21:25:23 -0600

Greetings,  My sis and I have amassed another batch of buttonholers for sale.
We are offering Singer buttonholers No. 160506 ( fits the FW and other short
shank straight needle machines), No. 160743 ( fits the 301 and other slant
needle machines) and 1 Greist buttonholer for a high shank machine.  Many of
these buttonholers come with an extra set of attachments.  All except for 1
Singer buttonholer have the original manual.  Price of each depends on the
conditions of attachments, number of templates and manual condition. We are
asking anywhere from $10 to $25 for each. E-mail if interested.    Also, I
have somehow ended up with a Greist ruffler.  I will trade for quilters fat
   I still have for sale my Singer 101.  She is a beauty.  I would rate her
at least an 8 on Graham's scale.  She does not have a manual nor any
attachments.  She needs to find a good home in a cabinet.  She has plug-ins
and is cabinet ready.  Let me know if interested.  Thanks all for listening.
   BTW I have been trying to respond to the survey on the 301s etc. but I
guess due to the letter's length, I cannot send.  Anybody else have this
problem?  TTFN  Jacque
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 22:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/10/96

terri, I saw that you are looking for a treadle machine cabinet. I have 
one that I have been unable to find a machine for. It is a "new home" 
cabinet. Oak top and drawers with veneered sides and back. It is only 
missing the top board. I refinished it, in the same golden tone that it 
already was. The drawers are pretty, not to ornate but nice. If you might 
be interested just email me 
Date: 14 May 1996 13:02:20 +0000
Subject: More Stuff

To Mary Sue:

Where was this auction that your pal bought 25 SMs for $32?  I want to go!!! 

 Everyone is going to these auctions and I don't know where they are, if
there are any around me....anyone in 50-100 radius of Newark Airport who
knows of any, please post...would love to at least go and see the action!

To Bonnie:

Hey, that was a terriffrric bargain on the table.  So far, I've never even
seen one....I want one, too....what area do you live in?

To Graham:

Yes, I did think about the "mutilation" of my old magazines....I won't
really mess them up, but I love some of the ads for Singer and a few other
things..they are so beautiful in color and would terriffic framed and
matted, especially the FeatherWeight ads...(IMO).  I do have a few from the
teen years that are pristine, so it's probably their previous owners treated 

them well, or perhaps they were better made.  It will only be a few pages
here and there...I hope they will forgive me......

And, if I'm not already on the Singer Recognition Manual list (SRM), may I
please be included?  (Pant, pant!)

So, Graham:  after reading Brenda's accolades, I wondered if you ever come
to the New Jersey/New York area to speak/share yourself?  And, if so, I hope 

you post in advance so we devoted FWFs will be able to view you in
person......it appears to me that you have quite a following....my mother
has just started to read the postings and wants to compile all of Your
Offerings....great idea, I think!!!

May 14th:

To Ann  :

Let me know about your Spartan...mine seems fine, but I haven't given it a 
run-out yet...too busy...mine doesn't have a top either.  I found a picture 
of "a" Spartan in one of the Singer manuals, but it doesn't look like my 
192K (make in Great Britain, motor in Canada).  What model is yours?  I 
don't know how many models there are.  I guess not too many.

General Question:

I asked before, but received no response....Graham?  Is there a larger 
Lubricant than the teeny little red &white one from Singer?  Lubing the 201 
would be much easier with a bigger thing.  But I had/have difficulty finding 
too many people that even carry the teeny Singer one.

Re:  the Oval Oil Can:

Is this more valuable than the others?  And what about a Big Can, like (I 
think) quart size, in the Singer Green?

Can't wait to get more postings....bye for now....PS  I print everything out 
and put in a binder with notes in the margins...my mom who just moved in 
with me reads everything...I'm trying to liberate HER mother's old Singer 
(from Ohio where it sits in neglect and non-use) to surprise her!  We really 
need another Sewing machine...we have about 30 now, but who's counting...but 
the idea of sewing on my GRANDMOTHERS machine thrills me...toodles..
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:47:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Singer Man

I have been lurking for quite some time but enjoy the posts daily.  I
saw the post from Karen looking for a good Singer man in east central
Iowa.  The one I go to is at Metro Sales &Appliance in Des Moines.  It's
on NE 24th street.  He's been in the Singer business for years and
has worked on several of my machines.  
Date: Tue, 14 May 96 09:57:17 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics

We have some Sewing/Craft Books for sale.  Cleaning out the attic.
Will be glad to E-Mail a free list to anyone who asks.
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:29:08 -0400

To Nancy D:

Featherweights purchased for less than $200 are always EASY to justify --
they are an investment.  You bought it below wholesale and could easily sell
it for more than $350.  Show your husband some of the prices others in the
group are asking for their FW's.  Tell him these machines are part of your
growing estate, just like stocks and bonds -- he'll understand.

Congratulations on your find!!

I recently fell over  "The Table" at a junk barn a week ago - it's in an 8
condition - they begged me to take it for $15 -- I had a smile on my face
all weekend.

Bob C
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:46:00 -0400
Subject: Paducah

All right, all of you guys that tied up the Executive Inn line so that I
couldn't get in( me and 50,000 other poor souls), Has any one got a room or
two to spare?  This is the first year that none of our team got in. :-((
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:50:08 -0500
Subject: quilt pattern

I am looking for the quilt pattern called "Old Soldiers Rose".  It is a 
Civil War pattern.   Thank you. Janie M
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:17:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Plus????

I saw an ad in the new QNM for a "Featherweight Plus".  Says it is a 3/4
machine and weighs only 10 lbs.  Any comments?

Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:24:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics

Hi FWFs,

I posted this recently but I never saw it make the list, so I am going to 
repeat it.  If it was posted and I missed it, please forgive me.

I purchased a (I think) model 66 at a thrift shop the other day.  I has a 
serial number of AH871762.  It has the anniversary medal on it.  This has 
me a little confused as I have a featherweight with the medallion on it 
and it is a AK.  Has anyone ever seen this?

I had the motor rewired the other day and it cost $28.50.  I could have 
sworn that it had the scrolled faceplate, but now I see that it has a 
stirated plate.  I'm wondering if I did have one of those unscrupulous 
repairmen.  That is why I was so surprised that it had the anniversary 
medal on it.  Guess I will have to get on the phone this afternoon 
although I don't expect I will hear the truth anyway.  All of a sudden, I 
am very angry.

Guess I better go do some quilting to cool off.

Subject: The Beast and the Beauty
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:22:18 -0500

Aha...Now I know what the Godzilla finish is.  I bought a Centennial 
128-23 at a yard sale on Saturday.  It's so industrial-looking, compared 
to the heavily decorated 128s of earlier years (how many years were 
these made?).  The belt slips, machine needs oil and a new power cord, 
but it was so cheap, I thought I would love to get it in shape.  
Besides, I'd never seen a Centennial anything before.  I know lots of 
you have had to replace power cords-Is this a do-it-yourself job for the 
fairly handy, or do you recommend taking it to the shop?  I don't know 
if I can keep this one once I've got it cleaned up and running 
smoothly....WHERE am I going to put it....???

On the heels of Godzilla came a little beauty:  My DH gave me the most 
adorable Singer SewHandy for Mother's Day!  It doesn't have the clamp, 
but the machine itself is an easy 9.  It's the beige crinkle with the 
swirl handle...I think I have another obsession!  Even though it has the 
numbered thread guides, I would love to see a threading diagram-does 
anyone out there have one they'd be willing to copy for me-I'll gladly 
cover costs. E-mail me and we'll exchange the info.

The running joke around here is that my DH and son get to "collect" 
computers to keep up with my machine 
I-never-thought-this-would-turn-into-a-collection-but-it-is.  After this 
weekend, they figure they're entitled to two new computers, though I'm 
arguing that the SewHandy only counts for a calculator  :)!  I've tried 
the dollar-for-dollar angle, but they insist it should be 
machine-for-machine.  It's a good thing this is all in good fun, or we'd 
be in the poorhouse!

Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:47:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW For Sale

    This is the current list of FW's for sale, add $30 for shipping, 
handling, insurance and tracking by UPS.

AE  $395  Scrolled faceplate, very good condition, Case ( but needs latch)
copy of manual. I would say this machine is in very good condition for 
it's 60 years.

AE  $550  Mint, Scrolled faceplate, great condition, attachments, case, 
copy of manual, oil can.

AG  $375  Case, Manual, some attachments, even wear.

AJ  $360  Case, Copy of Manual, some attachments even wear.

AL  $450  Case, Manual, even wear, Attachments

   An assortment of AJ's and AL's that I will preview and get organized, 
these are all $450.  I will be setting up a website this month which will 
include, featherweights, quilting, dolls, and angels. I'll post the site 
when it's done. Thanks to all for all the great support! Zsux
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:26:31 -0700
Subject: Old Singer

My friend is trying to find how approximately how much her old Singer is 
worth.  It's birthdate is October 13, 1926, and is a 101 model.  Any 
ideas?  Please e-mail me 
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:10:38 -0600
Subject: FW for sale

Hi, fellow fanatics!  This is my first contribution to this great group!  And I
do agree, if you aren't already a fanatic when you subscribe, you rapidly
become one!

I got my first FW nearly two weeks ago and love her!  Thanks, Zsux!   I
had minor tension problems, but thanks to Nancy's book I got it worked
out.   Funny how things work out:  after looking for a couple of years for
the right FW I found three in a row!  I had already received mine by the
time I found the other two - locally - in good ole Wyoming!  Anyway, the
first one I have found a home for, but the second one is still waiting. 
Here's the pertinent info:

She is an AH - born on April 22, 1947.  The original owner has her for
sale and is asking $250, which includes shipping and insurance.  This
little machine sews beautifully (purrs like most of them do).  My guess is
on Graham's scale she is probably a 5 or so.   Gold is worn off on front
of bed, not bad on back of bed.  Has scrolled faceplate.  Case worn - has
one broken latch.  Has lift-out tray, attachments and book.  Contact me by
e-mail and I'll put you in touch with the owner, if interested.

Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:58:38 -0400
Subject: My First FW

Hi All

My name is Rose G  and I'm new to the list, but not to sewing and quilting.
 I finally found a
featherweight in great condition and within my price range.  I lived in Ohio
for a very long time (all my life)  and could never find one that I really
worked.  I ended up moving to Arizona a couple of months ago, and was sure
I'd never find one here.  Well...I was wrong.  The second antique shop that I
visited in the Phoenix area had two.  The one I purchased has all the
attachments, book, oil can, case, keys and history and receipts of all
adjustments ( a one owner machine) .  The only thing I had to repair was the
cord... ($19.95) I also had it cleaned and the belt changed ($34.95).  Oh,
and not only did I
find the FW, I found a stack of fabric from the 1950's and some feed sack
cloth...I was in Heaven!

Can someone tell me how to find out what year this one was built in?  The
serial number is AL161926 and the book says it's a 221-1.

In reading thru the FW digest there was a post about having a manual copied
and distributed, "Singer recognition manual "  What is this and how do I get

My biggest fear now, is that I won't be able to stop collecting these lovely

Take care
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:15:43 -0700
Subject: NEW FW


Well this weekend I was in Sacramento for my nephew's First Communion and
to visit with my Mom. I was finally introduced to my FW- I had it shipped
to her - since she is home most of the time.  I spent most of Sunday
polishing and then test sewing and adjusting tension. A lovely machine in
great shape. Only problem with anything is the oil can - the oil seeps out
the top and I can;t seem to prevent this or stop it. So I just put it in a
ziplock baggie and leave it in its holder in the case.

I have finally found out what model Singer my Mother used to own (and the
one I learned to sew on) it was a 66-19 - bought in 1949 or so. Mom found
the manual and all the attachmemts in a corner of her bedroom and saved
them for me. Now all I have to find is a Model 66-19 to go with the
manual!! If anyone out there is interested in parting with one or knows
where a good one is located PLEASE email me. I am very interested in owning
this model.

Susan M. M
Date: 14 May 96 14:23:09 EDT
Subject: Contribution 14

True stories number 14

Most collectable sewing machines are offered to us by middle-aged or even
elderly folk, so it came as something of a surprise when a young lad -- perhaps
18 -- arrived with an 1888 Starley machine  which he wanted to sell.
He also made it clear that unless he could get 800 English pounds for it there
would be no deal. Now, Starley was one of the early manufactuers (he went on to
invent the safety cycle) and 800 pounds, about $1300, was not out of order.
The  lad explained that the machine had been given to him by his grandmother. 
looked honest enough but I checked his ID and noted his name and address just 
case there would be any question over title later on.
The phone call came the very next day. It was from the lad's father. Seems that
the machine had indeed been given to the boy but on the strict understanding
that it wasn't to be sold.
Dad then revealed that his son had been after buying (against the family's
wishes) a motor cycle priced at exactly 800 pounds.
I imediately offered to let the family have the machine back but the father
would have none of this. "No," he said. "A deal is a deal and I think that the
price was fair.
"But I'll tell you one thing", he added,
"He's still not getting that motor cycle!"

Graham F
Date: 14 May 96 14:23:40 EDT
Subject: Contribution fw

To Joan

Sorry you missed the FW, Brenda e-mailed me about this and wondered if it was
worth posting on FWF.
Thinking it was a 221, I simply said yes, why not? 
At around $245, that's got to be the cheapest 222 I've heard of for years.

To Jeanette

Congratulations on the New Home.
During the last century manufacturers would exhibit their goods at various 
and expositions around the world at which those judged the best in any
particular class would be awarded medals gold-silver-bronze. The winning
manufacturers would include the success in their advertisements and many,
including New Home, would use a reproduction of the medal on their machines.
That's what you have. 
I'm a little confused over the SN. My New Home records show that number in use
in either 1879 or in 1930, following a re-vamp in 1926.The first date is
obviously too early bearing in mind the decal and the second seems far too late
for a company to be advertising a meadal won 40 years earlier. Further delving
suggests that the Model T was introduced in 1923  so perhaps the later date is
correct after all.
The Greyhound trade mark was at the time almost as famous as the Singer Red S. 
think the only other mfr to use an animal trade mark was Chas Raymond, an
American who  went to Canada to set up a factory to export sewing machines to
Britain. As Canada was part of the British Empire we had no trade restrictions
such as operated with America. Raymond used a Beaver trademark.
New Home was formed in 1882 by a group of businessmen who had had interests in
various companies eeven before that date. 
Do not have a manual for your model but could send you a history of the company
that I wrote some time back.

To Henrietta

I know the sad irons you refer to. There was also a set of various sizes --
again using a common handle -- that could be used for various sizes of job. 
popular in Europe were irons with lids into which you could put hot coals --
irons stayed hotter, longer and did not get dirty from contact with the stove.

To Karen

The Wheeler and Wilson No9 is not really a collectable machine unless the
cabinet is something special. The No8 was the first of the conventional 
and was dubbed the Rolls Royce of SMs in England. More collectable are the No7
and previous which used a curved needle. All had a rotary hook system.

To Linda

This "new: Featherweight has got bad reviews from just about every dealer I
know. Made in China, Formosa or somewhere like that. Avoid.

To Rosemary

The Singer Egyptian design was produced on quite a few machines during a fad 
following Carter's discovery of Tut's grave. Therefore not possible to decide 
machine simply by decoration.

To Ginny

Congratulations on the New Family. Singer made around 4 million of these from
1865 to the 1880s so there are not as rare as the early date leads one to
To fill the bobbin, remove it from the shuttle and hold it in the bobbin-winder
beneath and in front of the flywheel. Then pressure the rubber tyre on the
winder against the wheel, turn and away you go. Probably the rubber tyre has
disappeared or is perrished, Local sm shop should have something that will fit.
I do have a copy manual if needed.

To Maggie

Re copies. Well said.

To Nancy

You wrote Munslo Victoria. Have no record of this. Did you mean Mundlos? This
German company produced a Victoria in the first quarter of this century. One of
many cheap German imports into the States. Also produced  Original Victoria and
New Victoria.
Factory was in Megdeburg. Founded 1863, produced clone Singer machines. Managed
to survive both wars but folded in 1961.

Graham F
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:10:34 -0500
Subject: Australian Juice &Copyrights

Do not know about Australia electrical system for sure but many if not most
places in the world other than North America uses 240 amps for power rather
than "our" 110.  Reason I am asking for enlightenment is the recent sale of
a 222k to the USA from an Australian.  Also what happens when trying to run
a 240amp machine on 110.  I know the plugs are different but what happens
if plug is changed to a 110 plug?

I do understand Margaret the bookseller concerns about photocopying of
copyrighted materials.  I am very surprised that no one flamed her.  Many
companies are not concerned about copying for personal use without making a
profit.  This could easily fall under the heading of copying for
educational purposes and not run afoul of the law.  This is particularly
true when out of print materials are used.  This is similar to info on the
World Wide Web.  I've seen lots of copyrighted materials that can be
downloaded and printed.  The materials are then disseminated.  I do know
that a chain of photocopy centers, Kinkio's, ran afoul of the copyright
laws when they actually had their personell make the copies but not when
the customer made the copies themselves.  I do not remembr the legal basis
for the distinction.

To Margaret:  Thanks for your concern about photocopying of manuals but I
think the exceptions in the law provides for the type of copying that the
FWF are doing for each other.  Since there is no profit motive but
educational plus the amount involved makes prosecution unlikely.

To FWF:  Could someone contact Singer for permission to have the manuals on
line in our library and available for download?  Would solve the problem of
possible copyright infringement.
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:54:09 -0500
Subject: Royal treadle

To Mary :

I sent this late last week and it bounced. I'll try again:

I couldn't find an email address for you so I'm posting here. Email me - I
have a New Improved Royal treadle that I got this past Christmas from my DH.
I was able to find out a little bit about the company from the Sincere book
that I'll share with you. I'm at work now and don't have access to that info
right now. Also, I got a manual with my machine and I think it might
actually be for a model older than mine. The machine in the manual has the
tension contraption on the top of the machine - mine has a dial on the front
like the modern machines do. Anyway, email me with your smail mail address
and I'd be happy to copy my manual for you and tell you what I can.

Date: 14 May 96 18:00:20 EDT
Subject: FW Fanatics

Hi all!  Still looking for information on my "Lady Washington" hand crank
machine.  Does anyone else have one?  I have never heard of that brand before.
Bought it in the Washington D.C. area for $50.00.  Needs some good cleaning up.
It's all metal and very heavy.
     Love your FW stories.  Would love to come across those wonderful finds 
many of you have had.  I own one FW.  Bought a second for $125 in an antique
shop earlier this year, had it repaired, and then sold my original one.  New 
has attachments-none with the first.
	Glad to know that I am not the only antique sewing machine "nut"
(collector).  I like to buy the people powered machines but have some electric
models also.  I have a Wilcox &Gibbs that has a foot pedal shaped like the 
of a shoe.  It is in the original wood case and has several attachments.  I 
a New Home Midget that is a hand crank.  Love it!
	Hope someone can help on the "Lady Washington".
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:42:17 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/12/96

Hello All!
     A few weeks back I went to the first Antique market of the season in
Centreville, Mich.  I usually have a great time, and was planning to scour
the booths for anything related to sewing machines, but I always look for toy
machines.  This time I came home angry.  One booth had a wonderful display of
toy machines, but the prices were astronomical.  A machine that is listed in
the book for $150 was priced at $750!!  She was helping another customer who
was admiring her selection when the dealer bragged that she had spent $3000
before the show opened buying toy machines.  Toys seem to be very sought
after now and dealers seem to specialize in them by buying all the available
machines at any price and raising the price sky high.  There seems to be no
limit.  Needless to say, I wasn't impressed that this dealer spoiled my day
by buying everything ahead of time before I had any opportunity.  This also
happened in Paducah.  An antique dealer said that she had several sewing
items because she knew the quilt show was in town and  thought the ladies
would be interested.  However, another dealer purchased them ahead of time
and tripled the price.  I know it is free enterprise, but it is frustrating.
 I feel as though they are artificially driving up the prices.  Just my two

Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 19:08:07 -0400
Subject: Data Sheets

Hi All!

     I just want to beg, beg, beg each of you to help Courtney collect the
Singer datapages she has asked for.  For those of you who are new to the
group, I'm referring to the pages that the Singer Customer Service
Representatives refer to if you call their 1-800 number and ask for your
machines "birthdate".  If you talk to the right person at Singer they will
still send out a copy of the page with your date. 

     The three that I have each cover periods from 4 to 6 months worth of
manufacturing runs. At that rate there are probably only about 50 pages that
cover all the American made Featherweights.  And surely less for the British
made. If we could get a complete set together we wouldn't need to rely on
Singer anymore. One problem I've seen in the FW surveys is that people have
been given wrong birthdates by Singer occasionally because the Customer
Service Rep obviously just misread the info.  Not to mention the interesting
facts we can come up with, such as rough production numbers of each model
number. And one of the pages I have "proves" that there were no American
machines made with the prefix "AI". On Dec. 9 1948 the register numbers jump
from AH999999 to  AJ000001.

Happy Featherweighting,

Krisi, where we have almost 500 Featherweights on the database!!
And yes, I'm working on an update!
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:39:51 -0800
Subject: New Owner of two FW

I just recently became the proud ower of two FW.  A black EG serial 
number and a white one 1968-70.  My boyfriend bought me the black one 
for Mother's Day.  He found it at a Fremont, CA flea market for 
$75.00.  I would estimate it between a 7 and 8 on Graham's chart.

A month later I was at the DeAnza Community College flea market in 
Saratoga, CA and came across a White FW with a case.  The seller had 
it listed for $275.00 I was able to get her down to $250.00. I would 
say it is a 9 on the scale of 10.  

Both machines are in excellent condition and sew like they just came 
from the factory. Since I really did not have the $250.00 in my budget 
I was going to sell my Black FW to pay for the White one..., but as I 
cleaned and serviced them both, I became attached to them and was 
finding it a little difficult to post the sell advertisement.  Well to 
make a long story short, for Mother's Day my boyfriend gave me a check 
for $125.00 to help cover the cost for the White one.  I think I will 
keep both machines and the boyfriend.

I am planning my next quilting project and can't wait to use them 
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 19:40:38 -0400
Subject: I'm Back

Thanks to those of you who noticed my daily 2 cents was not forthcoming this
past week.  My FIL passed away.  Then, my online email service died from Fri
till Monday night!!   

I am so behind with so many things online, and it will be a while before I
catch up.  If anyone is waiting to hear from me, patience please....

In the meantime, I have some very nice sewing machines for sale right -
including a 66, 99-13, Spartan, 15-91 and black FW's, various years, scroll
and striated face plates.  Also buttonholers for short shank machines @ $25.

All for now.  Frost was on the pumpkins last night!!!!! Millie
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 19:36:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: etceteras

To Rosemary:  My Model 127 treadle has the Egyptian decoration that you
spoke of, but that's no guarantee of a model number.  This particular
design was probably used on more than one type of machine.  Your best bet
is to locate the machine's serial number and then call Singer.  They will give
you your machine's model number plus its birthday (more or less).

To Ginny:  Did you mean "1897" rather than "1987" for your machine?  Based
on what a number of antique shop owners have told me, I don't think you'll
be successful in convincing an insurance company that it is really
valuable (unless Graham agrees that it is rare, based on your
description).  What I keep hearing is: people invariably overestimate
their value...everybody's grandmother had one....we don't handle them
because there is no market....

I posted this last week (I think) but I'm not sure I've seen it (this
shows you how well my brain doesn't work in the evenings).  I know someone
was considering trying to get reproduction knee levers made.  Whatever
happened to that thought?  A colleague of mine has something in a bentwood
case that she is dying to use, but of course the knee lever is missing.

By the way, I am actually considering getting up EARLY on a SATURDAY to go
to a house sale which is advertising three treadles and a Singer later model.
I cannot possibly bring another treadle into the house, but I am afraid
I'm going to feel awful if I see them go for plant stands!  The sale is
also advertising fabric and other sewing stuff, so maybe I'll find an
attachment set or two.  The good thing about attachment sets is that the
incriminating evidence is a lot easier to hide.  While DH would probably
notice if the 127 in the living room suddenly cloned itself, he wouldn't
recognize a gathering foot if it snuck up behind him and bit him
somewhere.  Wish me happy hunting over the weekend!

Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 20:06:30 -0400
Subject: Key

I spotted a 1953 Singer Sewhandy toy machine today, and because it was in 8-9
condition, I bought it.  It has its manual, original box, thread and clamp
but is missing the little key.  Does anyone have one?  It has one needle but
not the package that originally came with.  Are these easy to find thru
Singer?  Or any of you? I shelled out $110.  Did I pay too much?  --Thanks!
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 20:39:37 -0400
Subject: toy machine

That "key" I would like for my toy Singer Model 20 Sewhandy (1953) is
actually a screw driver that looks like a very simple key.  Thanks!  --Mari
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 22:26:10 -0400
Subject: Need bobbin case

Hi All!

I too enjoy reading this list.  It is making me want to go SM hunting right

Please help!  I have a very beautiful "New Home" treadle dated 1904 that
needs a bobbin case.  Anyone have any ideas?

To Rosemary,

I think I may have seen the same Singer treadle on Mothers Day in Williamston
(Michigan).  It was a singer with the Egyptian bust and scroll work that you
described.  The price was $165.  Are you from my area or just a coincidence?
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 20:50:16 MST
Subject: EATONIA machine

Tonight I was invited by a friend to see his father-in-laws machine. It
had belong to his mother.  It is an Eatonia....very plain machine with some
light gold coloured decoration.  It is in a cabinet and when you lift
the top to fold it out for sewing, the machine rises.  There is a box
of Greist attachments in the drawer...black tin box.  I've never heard
of this machine...can anyone help me out...it was made in the U.S.A.
In particular, how much would you pay for it...I doubt that I will buy it
but told my friend I'd try to get a ballpark figure for him.

Sandra M
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 23:29:19 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics ;301's

Dear FWFanatics:
DH drove me almost 3 hours to the Brimfield Fair in Brimfield, 
MA today.  No purchase of a FW to report:(  However, I did come 
across a November 1952 ad for the 301. "The Amazing New 
Slant-needle Singer"  "New eye-rest design in traditional black 
or soft beige.  Almost all moving parts concealed.  The only 
machine that's a cabinet and a portable model all in one!"
Pictured is a short bed extention with a single plug and the 
plate  reads 301.  In one of the six pictures on the full pge 
ad, the machine is shown as it is being lifted from the cabinet. 
I have to tell you that the short extention looked strange to 
me.  So, I went to measure mine. . .5 1/2 in. from the hinge to 
edge.  That one is a 301a, and "soft beige."  
Joy. . .thanks for your efforts.  I love my 301 and my father in 
law is holding a black one for me any time I want it:)
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 23:31:57 -0400
Subject: l929 Singer Model 99

I have just subscribed to this list and looking forward to reading all the
postings.  Also have just started looking for a FW.  I am not a quilter, but
could be sucked in at any moment.  I am just sewing now for my young children
and my home.  I am also looking for a FW "just because".  I ran across an ad
for a Singer with a model #AC 671804 which the Singer Co. told me was
manufactured  May 22, 1929.  It is in working order in a rounded top box with
a price of $65.  Is this a good deal?  Still looking for that FW.  Thanks
from Jean H
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 23:05:32 -0600
Subject: Small Elna machines

I found another FW today AG (1941) and I am delighted to have an older one,
but this one definitely has been used.  It came with oil can, original
manual, lots of attachments and buttonholer in green box.  The case is a
different one than I have been before in that it has a lift out tray.  The
case in in really good condition.

What I really want to know --

He also had two small Elna machines -- Elna Lotus which is a really small
zigzag with a case that folds up around it.  The other he called an Elna One
(Grasshopper) and it was kind of neat because the case folds out to convert
the freearm to a flatbed.  He had the original manual for the Grasshopper
and it looked like the original bills were there as well.  He said that he
hasn't determined prices on them yet.  

Should I persue these machines and at what price?  I really don't need any
more machines of any kind.  I'd better find the separated cord for my 1924
99-13 (99K) so that I can stop finding machines instead of the cord.  I have
seen several nice looking, newer (with reverse) 99K machines in the last few
days and something that looked like a 66, but it had a sticker on it saying
'Imperial'.  I didn't look for long because the place was filthy, but I
didn't see any evidence that is was a Singer with a sticker just pasted on.

Date: 14 May 96 12:06:18 EDT
Subject: several

For Pam... If you email me a list of the Singer part nos. on the
attachements, I'll consult my magic decoder ring and reply with
the descriptions. If you call Singer's toll free # (800-877-7762)
and give them your machine's serial number, they'll tell you when
it was built and which model it is. We have parts for many of the
old Singers... Regards, Chris

For All... I've uploaded some more pictures of old Singers to our
Web Page - visit http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/webspinner/
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 08:47:26 -0500
Subject: Singer Machine

Hi Everyone,
Yesterday I went down to Travel-Fest to get an atlas of North Carolina and 
noticed an antique consignment shop. So I had to take a look around. In the 
back was a small Singer with a bentwood case. At first I thought it was a 
Feather Weight, but not. It has a hand crank, on the bobbin plate is 1886, 
serial number 1178417 ( I'm not sure about the 8 it was pretty worn). It has 
the bullet shapped bobbin. Has blue and pink flowers with green ivy or leaves 
on it. The flower in the middle of the base was pretty worn. You could tell it 
was a very much used machine. I would probably rate it around a 5 or 6. The 
cost was marked down two or three times and is now at $105. Does anyone know 
anything about this machine and it's worth? 
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:23:34 -0400
Subject: FW Theft

Before I get to the serious side which is FW theft I'd like to add a couple
more reasons why CA is not a pleasant place to live.  I've been out of town
for awhile and misplaced that days posting so I cannot respond directly to
the person who came up with her list of negative reasons - my additions are:
(1) illegal immigration, (2) CA state income tax.

As for the FW theft, recently the owner of one of our local quilt shops had
hers stolen out of the classroom.  Her classes are held in the upstairs of an
old house that has been converted into workshops.  Her FW was being used in a
night class.  Normally when she closes the shop she locks the classroom door
but this one evening she didn't.  The next morning she discovered the FW had
been stolen.

This brings up the interesting question - are some of us unknowingly buying
hot FW's.  How could we set up some type of registration of our FW's.  If we
had one stolen we could have a list of "hot" ones and when we are out
scouting for FW's we could check their serial number and respond.

If any of you have any ideas how to track them why not post the ideas.  At
least keep your S/N's handy in case you should have yours stolen.
 Unfortunately the lady I am referring to had no idea of her FW's S/N.

Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:46:10 -0500
Subject: Singer Model 220

I recently purchased an old Singer (I believe it is a model 220) to do 
all my machine piecing on.  I was tired of all the tension problems I 
was having with the newer electronic machines.  I was wondering is there 
a walking foot attachment that will work on this machine?  Also, how 
does this machine compare to the featherweight? Better/worse? As a 
quilter I am interested in precision of seamallowance and have attempted 
machine quilting, though I still prefer hand quilting. Please contact me
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:45:21 -0400
Subject: Mother's Day toys....

Hi again,

Well I called Singer and my wonderful present from DH is a 99.  Born 4-10-35.
 Now to get a manuel.....

I just have to tell the story of how he gave it....  My 5 yr old son gave me
the card and when I opened it there was this odd looking key stapled to it.
 What is this I asked?  "Oh that - Daddy says it opens a box of old junk in
your sewing room"  Needless to say I headed for my sewing room at a run.....

He gave it to me friday and saturday we threw a few thing in the car and
headed for the lake.  Up there I found a Spartan that I bought just cause it
is in 7+ condition.  Very shiny no wear a slight pin scratch or two on the
base if you tilt it in the light.  For only a couple of bucks I couldn't pass
it buy.  Plain but pretty......

I must go play now......Love this list...(thanks Sue)

Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:23:40, -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics

Sorry, I can't help you with a White. I have a featherweight, which I 
am falling in love with. Used it to make some Amish 9-patches and 
it's a pleasure to sew on it! Karen
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:20:23 -0400
Subject: New Kid on the Block

I'm so excited to find this group - I can't stand it. :-)

Geez...where to begin...years ago, my sister gave me a used Singer Fashion
Mate 237.  It's a sturdy little straight stitch/zigzag that works for any
natural fiber fabric.  For the longest time it was the only machine that I
owned.  My sister, being a super quilter, had mentioned the mythical little
machine made by Singer that was sought by folk everywhere.

Being a collector by nature [Mama taught me well ;-)] I kept the notion of my
sister's vague description tucked away in my brain-file.  Until the day I
stumbled onto a bent wood cased Singer at a consignment shop.  The machine
was small and old - but heavens - it seemed awfully HEAVY for something
called a FEATHER weight.  However, the price was right and it was "cute".  I
bought it.  Of course it wasn't a FW, but it was a beautiful  machine with a
wrinkle/non glare finish in great condition. 

That was the beginning of the collection.

Then came the local estate auction that I went to because a Singer treadle
was listed in the sale bill.  From across the piled tables, in the corner sat
two china black Singers.  One was an old large straight stitch machine, the
other sat meekly in front of a black "overnight" case.  It looked like a
child's machine.  I reached under the arm, oicked it up and KNEW.   My first
FW!!!  The bidding was hot and heavy and I cringed as I nodded at the finally
bid of $85 [being naive about the market for these little beasties], but I
walked away with the FW, the big Pre-WWII straight stitch and one old
cabinet.  It was truely a satisfing auction experience.

Since that sale I have collected Singers.  FW, Treadle, and others [Gotta
tell ya, you need a _big_ house when you collect sewing machines.]  My family
thought I was completely nuts - - - then I found the Feather Weight Fanatics
and now they know, though I maybe crazy...I'm not alone. 
What I would ask of one and all is advice on getting information about my
machines.  I have the Singer number - but is there any printed or on-line
info on machine types, series, history, etc...  Any suggestions would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks - Wander
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 21:04:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/14/96

Hi everyone,

Went junking again today and bought another machine.  I think this may be 
a 128 but I am just guessing.  The serial number is AG353020.  It is the 
matte black machine with a shuttle.  I have no bobbins however, so if 
anyone knows where I can get some, let me know.  The knee lever as in the 
lid.  For anyone who is interested, the part number for the knee lever is 
Simanco 192972, for 99 and 128 machines and for 201 and 200 sets, 
whatever that means.  If some of you are looking for knee levers, this 
might help.  This machine was used in a school because on the back for 
the wooden base, there is a brass and black platethat says, Education 
Department practice machine.  Property of Singer Sewing Machine Company
Not for Sale.  The motor needs rewiring and the machine is probably only 
a 6 or so.  The faceplate is the grapevine plate, but it looks black 
unless it just needs a lot of cleaning.  There is no scrollwork on the 
base, but it does have some on the turnwheel.  The bed of the machine is 
only 12 inches long.  Did the 99 ever come with a shuttle?

Any help anyone could give would be appreciated.  My husband is in North 
Dakota visiting his mother.  I better hide this before he gets back1

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 02:04:46 -0700
Subject: I just had to send this to the FWF's

Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: sewing machines
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:38:22

Here in New York there is very little interest in old sewing machines.  Most 
auctions have at least one and they generally bring $50 - $100, in very good 
condition.  For example, a Wilcox and Gibbs, complete with attachments and 
manual dated 1875, and in a solid walnut end-table style cabinet sold for 
$105.  A 1920 Singer in a Mission style oak cabinet, no manual, sold for $50. 
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 07:46:51 -0400
Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 5/14/96

I was in Stratford, Ontario, last weekend for the preview of the Shakespeare 
Festival. Found Mark Phillips of Sew &Save Centre, Ltd., 149 Downie St. 
Stratford, Ont. N5A 1X2. He has many, many old manuals, throat plates, bobbin 
cases and other parts for old machines. Phone number is (519) 271-9660. Don't 
be frightened by the prices--it's Canadian, and exchange rate is very favorable 
right now.
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:16:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: New FW's!!

I bought my first FW's last night!  One is an AD which they said worked but 
after trying it I found out it needs some work.  The other one is an AK 
which needs a new motor.  It came with a motor which wasn't hooked up to it 
and it doesn't fit.  They had switched things around so if I had only bought 
the AD which was supposed to work I would have ended up with the foot pedal, 
the case and the manual from the AK.  The foot pedal that should go with the 
AD doesn't seem to work ( the metal part you press doesn't move and it is 
missing the plug) The paint and gold on the AD is really worn but the AK is 
in great shape if I can get a motor for it.   I have never worked on any of 
my machines but I guess I will be learning on the AD - it really needs a 
good cleaning and adjusting.  Does anyone have a manual for the earlier 
models (without the numbers on the tension)? I took the tension apart last 
night and had a hard time putting it back together because it is different 
than the manual I have and the manual that is reprinted in Nancy's book.  I 
also took the bobbin case apart (that was difficult!) and found thread so 
the upper thread will now pick up the bobbin thread but it still won't sew 
right.  Any hints and suggestions for working on these would be appreciated. 
 I can't wait to at least get one of these working right!!

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:39:49 -0700
Subject: Rubber stamps

Hi all,  We just got in more of the Featherweight Rubber Stamps, two toy 
sewing machine ones, one is labeled Singer and the other isn't labeled 
for $5.50 each and more of the Singer treadle ones for $6.25.  These 
prices don't include shipping.  Email me if interested.
  We also carry Nancy Johnson Srebros book and featherweight bobbins, 
belts, etc.

Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 14:24:48 -0400
Subject: Singer attachments

I've complied the following list from FWF Digests, Terry's attachments lists,
manuals and anything else I could find.  The numbers starting with 2 and 3
seem to be for the earlier machines.  The numbers starting with 12 can be
associated with FWs. The 16 series associated with 301s and the 48 series are
the Jetson (egg case) buttonholers.  BUT - some of the early attachments work
on later machines, i.e. the seam guide 25527 is also a FW attachment, so who
knows - here it is:


Bias Gauge	25525
Binder		25526	35930, 36594
Multi slotted binder			121464	160359, 160624
Seam Guide	25527
Hemmer 3/16	25528
Hemmer 1/4	25529
Hemmer 3/8	25530
Hemmer 5/2	25531
Hemmer 7/2	25532
Hemmer Foot	25533
Adjustable hemmer	35931		160626
Quilter		25534	35932, 35207   121718
Large screw driver	25537
Small screw driver	25538		120378
Stiletto		25539
Under Braider Foot	25542		121547
Under Braider	25547	35940
Ruffler shirring plate 25603	35938
Corder foot	25794
Darner (large work)	26088	36088?
Darner (stocking)		35776
Hemstitcher			120687, 121387
Foot hemmer	26152	35857	120842, 120855, 120856   160627
Ruffler		26156	35933	120598	160629
Complete ruffler	              35939
Complete corder	26399
Corder attachment			rt 125035, left 125429
Tucker		26515	36583, 35936
Embroiderer (1 thread) 26538
Embroiderer (2 thread)	35506
Tubular Trimmer		35985
Braiding Presser Foot	36067
Flange Hemmer		36333
Singer Craft Guide			121079
Singer Craft Fagoter		121255
Feed Dog Cover Plate		121309
Gathering Foot			121441	160628
Blind Stitcher				160616
Blind Stitch Braider		121614
Zig Zag attachment			121638, 121706  160620, 160745
Shirring Plate			121170
Buttonholer			121795	160506, 160743
   Buttonholer (egg case)			   489500, 489510
Adjustable zipper foot		121877	161127, 161166
Edge Stitcher		36865	              160625
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:31:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Help!

Hi all,

I just found a VS (vibrating shuttle/BD 10/28/1886) in a consignment shop.
They told me it only needs a belt and the cabinet is in great condition.
The machine itself seems to be a 2-3 by Graham's list.  My local SM people
said they have to see it and can't give any info on whether they'd have
parts.  What do you folks think - should I take a chance?  They just lowered
the price for $180 to $120.

Hope to hear from someone soon..

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:04:02 -0500
Subject: 301a for me!

Well, I now own a 301a.  Our local singerguy told my dh that he had one (after 
me he didn't I might add) and that he could have it repaired for me (missing 
He called me yesterday to make sure I was coming.  I can just see the wheels in 
head turning: "oh, boy, another of these old machine weirdos, I can sell her 

So, when I got there, he also had brought out a 401 straight stitch model. I 
all  401s were zigzag, and told him so, but he said they made "a few" straight 
ones.  Well, the 401 was tempting, especially since I still(! 12 years after 
the machine
has left) own a cabinet / desk for it.  However, it didn't run well, and 
awful. Tension was too tight on top, even when set at 0. I was afraid it would 
me deja vu nightmares (my first machine was a 401a with a personality 
 But, I did bring the 301a home with me.  It is two-tone, with two plugs, looks 
it used to be in a cabinet.  No bottom cover, do these guys have them?  no 
no attachments, no nothin'.  but the machine runs well, although
the pedal looks like it's been living in the bottom of a mud puddle for several 

There are three holes on top, between the handle and hand wheel.  two of these 
felt wicks in them (THIS time I didn't pull them out :D).  Am I supposed to oil 
all of 
these, some , or none?

Now, the best part is that this machine is the same size (bed area) as the 401, 
so I should
be able to rig my cabinet up to hold it.  So, that would be great for quilting!

Sherrie, who is very happily mucking around in the WD40 and grease and oil...
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:56:40 -0400

For those newcomers to the list -- I'm interested in trading one  (or more)
of my  Singer Featherweights in exchange for some toy sewing machines.  I'm
interested in any of the following toy machines:

"Little Mother" by Artcraft Metal Products

Older Casige models in good shape including #6; Sunflowers;  Little Red
Riding Hood; Sew-O-Matic;  various Art Deco models.

Gateway "Rotar Model NP-8"

Genero Machine Works "Gurlee"

Hoge Mfg. Co.  "No 325 - Popular Model-Little Princess"

Made in Germany - Vielfach Geschutz "Liliputian"

Lindstrom Tool &Toy Co. "Little Miss"  Shirley Temple 

F.W. Muller - any models pre WWII. (including toy treadles, Models 16, 18, 21)

Schurhoff and Co. "Gold Rain'

Sears Roebuck Kenmore by National Sewing Machine Co. "bright red" 1930"s and

Sotoy "Martha Washington"

If you have any of these toys or know any serious collectors please let me 


Bob C
 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:31:14 -0500
Subject: Hemstitcher for FW

Dear FW Fanatics,
today, I purchased a Singer Hemstitcher for my Featherweight.  It does not have
an instruction manual, but it is in perfect shape.  I am wondering what else
it does besides make holes in fabric for crochet.  Also, I tried to install
it, and I'm thinking that it is missing a screw that attaches it to the 
because the screw that's with the machine does not fit around the hemstitcher.
Would anyone have a manual for this attachment that they could copy for me?
The part number is 121387.  There is also what looks like a throat plate cover,
with the part number 121388.  I would be glad to cover any copying and postage
costs.  I LOVE this list!  My DH got me a FW (8-14-40) for Christmas, he says
that he got a great deal! ;).  I also have a 301 in a cabinet that I got
at a garage sale for $35.  Would be nice to have a hemstitcher for that as
well.  Thanks in advance!

                          Carol B
Date: 16 May 96 16:26:29 EDT
Subject: Various

Hi All...

For  Rose:  Call  the  Singer  customer service no - 800-877-7762 - and give 
them  your  machine's  serial  no.  & they'll  tell  you when it was built. 
Probably in 1955...

For  Mary  Lehrhoff: We sell the Singer Lubricant in the 1/2 oz tube - $2.50 
+  SH. I guess I could source it in larger amounts - its called white grease 
and  has  been around for a loooooonnnnnggggg time. I work on machines and a 
tube  seems  to  last  just  about a life time. According to the 201 Service 
Manual  the  machine  should  be oiled daily only if it is in continuous use 
(ie.   commercial   use)   otherwise   the  machine  should  be  only  oiled 
occasionally  (6  mos?).  The lubricant is used only on the gears and in the 
grease  cups  (like  the Featherweight) and oil (one drop) is used on all of 
the oiling points.

For  Puck:  Foreign  power  varies in Voltage and Frequency, not amps. A 240 
AMP motor would be the size of an automobile! ;-}

For  Graham:  Would  you  please  comment  on  my  recent  acquisition  of a 
vibrating  shuttle  "VESTA" - name plate has "L.O. Dietrich - Altenburg" and 
the  S/N  is 1116445 with a small M1. It probably is not worth much, but I'd 
be  interested  in  knowing  who  made it, where, and approximately when. My 
spare Singer #27 shuttle seems to fit!?

For  All,  RE:  Copyright:  From  "Copyright  Law  of  the  United States of 
America"  contained  in Title 17 of the United States Code (revised to March 
1,  1991),  Section  107, Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair Use, to wit: 
"Notwithstanding  the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a 
copyrighted   work,   including  such  use  by  reproduction  in  copies  or 
phonorecords  or  by any other means specified by that section, for purposes 
such  as  criticism,  comment,  news reporting, teaching (including multiple 
copies  for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement 
of  copyright".  My  humble  opinion suggests that our interest in obtaining 
information  on  the  care and feeding of our sewing machines falls into the 
"teaching" or "research" criteria... 

And  remember  that  works  published prior to January 1, 1978 only enjoy 28 
year  copyright  protection with the option of one renewal for an additional 
28  years.  Thus,  information  published prior to 1940 is out of copyright. 
Some  information  published  prior to 1968 is also out of copyright, if the 
author did not re-register the work. 

Also  remember,  gentle  readers,  that  its the physical book (or whatever) 
that  is  actually  copyrighted,  not  the  ideas  expressed  in the work... 
(Section  102,  PP(b): "In no case does copyright protection for an original 
work  of  authorship  extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method 
of  operation,  concept,  principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in 
which  it  is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work"). 
So,  I  could  paraphrase  the  Singer  Featherweight Service Manual and re-
photograph  it's  pictures  using one of my machines and publish it under my 
own  name  and  I would not be violating Singer's Copyright for the original 
publication. And, I just might do this ;-}

Regards to all, Chris
Date: 16 May 1996 20:57:29 +0000
Subject: More Stuff

Hi:  A strange thing happened today with FW posting.  1st, one came with 
nothing in it, and then another managed to click itself open in Notepad 
(BDY67) and revealed news from the 14th, which I thougth there was none 
of...,.I was never before able to click on the bdy and get it to open, altho 
this is the first time it worked since I first tried.....any explanation?


To Joy  

I like your joke about computer for sewing machines.  My problem is that 
it's me that has the computers AND the sewing machine.  My DH doesn't 
understand why I want a new computer!!!! and why I want...ANOTHER 
FeatherWeight?  How manydo you need?????  It's hard to explain the Marriage 
of Need &Want to someone who has only a toothbrush and a boat....right now, 
I'm trying to figure out how to smuggle in my "new" (FREE) Royal Treadle and 
hide it....my mom says that "stuff" propogates...rubs together where you 
stack it and when you're not looking, Lo &Behold!  Off Spring!  Yes, 
darling, that's where the other (#'s)SMs came from....if he ever attempted 
an inventory......

To Debbie 

I'm gonna try to get my Royal under my roof, if DH takes a boat ride or 
something...then I'll check on the manual, etc....it looked rather nice when 
I quickly perused it.  I was thinking of giving her a beautiful Currier &
Ives print I picked up for $5.00, but I have to make sure it's not the one 
that's $5,000 (according to book).  I'm not an expert, for sure, but it 
looks interestingly possible.  If it's not the "real" thing, I'm sorta 
trading it for the Royal...not too bad, is it?

To Linda  :

How did you make out with the Crank Machines?  Did you get the non Singer 
one or the Singer one I told you about?  (What was the non-singer one?)...a 
crank is on my list too, but I am on a rather strict budget...

To Krisi 

I wasn't aware that you could get a data sheet from Singer...I did get one a 
long time ago, with my 1887 model one, but they never sent one since or 
mentioned it....I'll have to get busy on the horn to Singer....that's a 
really terriffic idea about making the database so together..it would be 
nice to be able to have instant (almost) access to the information you 

To Lydia 

It's amazing when I read your posting.  It's almost like you're writing for 
me, in regards to getting up early to hit the house/estate/garage sales for 
SMs and fabric and stuff.  (My mom &I are both obsessed with this and we 
HAVE to knock it off...for awhile, anyway) and then the bit about hiding 
your acquisitions from DH...I bet Graham doesn't have to hide ANYTHING from 
his SO....sigh, sigh.  People always are asking me how I manage to 
camaflague my SMs from DH...I say:  it take ingenuity...you hide them right 
out in the open, but sort of disguise them with piles of fabric or clothes 
or laundry or...stuff...one's behind the furnace with watering jugs on top 
of it (with plastic and cloth, too, of course)....I have two of them (201 &
Kenmore) butted up at an angle to my 1630 to resemble sort of a cutting 
table...the six FW's are on top of two or 3 treadles with a baby quilt I'm 
working on....People, you have to use your noodles to protect your stash!

Well, I have to go and pick up my computer...hopefully, I will be getting 
FWF stuff at home when I finally get logged on.  My modem was being 
troublesome, the CPU also, and I just had a CD-ROM installed (my DH's 
Mother's day present, even tho' he says "you're not my mother!) ha-ha...he 
is such a sweetie.

From Mary where I still have wet feet from going out in the 
rain at lunch and it's still raining now...and probably all weekend...yuk

Wishing all of you out there who want FW's to find one this weekend!  The FW 
of your dreams...mine are for a white/tan/green whatever and a free-arm 
(only at prices my budget will allow...I know they are out there for $$$). 
 One of these days.....like I said before, my last one was $15 and it is a 9 
Centennial Model...so who knows...
I hope everyone who wants
Date: 16 May 96 18:48:16 EDT
Subject: Contribution

To Mary L re personal appearances

Blush, blush. The only time I "speak" in the States is at Toy Stitchers
Conventions. There was one in Branson MO last year in September where I told
some silly stories and ran the auction. I think the next one is in 1998 and is
scheduled for San Francisco -- about as far from you as New Jersey is from me.
I used to get to a phonograph show at the Holiday Inn, Newark Airport once a
year but haven't been for  about three years.Last time I flew into Newark
(because North West doesn't have a New York connection ) I called a cab to get
into Manhattan----------------hold on here. What we have is another true story
that I'll post soon.
Thanks again for the comments.
Re oil. I might get my fingers rappe here but as far as oil goes (not motor
lube), I think that any good-quality oil from a sewing-machine outlet will work
as well as Singer's special.
I guess the oval can is more sought after because it's always the one missing
from the box.

To Joy 
Explain to your sons that nothing depreciates quite as quickly as new 
whereas, your sewing machines.........

Re Australian v US voltages.

Yes most of the world runs at 220-240 volts.Changing the plug does not affect
anything. Two ways around the problem. One is to run the machine through a
transformer (Radio Shack or similar). The other which I have a former Singer
electrician looking into, is  re-winding the armature of a 220-volt motor to
convert it to 110. This is not a cheat -- it's simply what Singer did in the
first place -- different windings for different countries. It we can get this 
and running economically, some of the cheap FWs over here could be worth

To all
Not sure that asking Singer to make an official realease of copyright would be
wise. Would need a corporate decision from on high and some accountant in China
might just say no. Then would would be in a worse position than now.

To Karen

Can't help with the Lady Washington. Have checked all my sources and with
Smithsonian. It could be a re-badged German machine given a very American name
to aid sales and dispell anti-German feeling.
If you get no-where and want to send me a picture I might be able to get a
little further.

Your New Home Midget was also sold as the Knickerbocker and the Little Worker.

To Margel
Understand your frustration with the dealer and her sky-high prices and I
believe I know the lady you mean. There's only one answer and that's to walk
away as you did.
 Toy prices are going up all the time. I've no problem with that. I was the
auctioneer when a Clown machine made $13,500 at the ISMACS Convention in 
Sure this surprised me, I was expecting $9,000 tops but I can understand it as
the machine was super rare. What upsets me tremendously is dealers asking
sky-high prices for common machines. They are relying on the ignorance of the
customer and, of course, heavily restricting the number of people who will get
into the hobby.
Just one word of caution. Decide that a price is wrong, either way, by your own
knowledge, not that from a "what's it worth" price guide which can be equally

To Sandra

Your Eatonia was made by the National Sewing Machine Company of Belvidere Ill
active from 1890 to 1953

Graham F
Date: 16 May 96 18:48:09 EDT
Subject: Contribution

To all about Elna

I've not been able to give very satisfactory answers to questions about the
Swiss Company Elna. As you know I'm not well up on more recent products and
should have realised that as from  late last year Elna was an American-owned
Might be worth trying them at 7642 Washington Avenue South Eden Prairie,
MN 55344 Tel (612) 941 5519. Don't know whether they will be interested in the
company's older products but it might be worth a try.
President is Curt Arvidson who, at the time of the take over promised "best
possible service"
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:20:30 -0600
Subject: Re: copying

Hello all....

As a librarian I have more than a nodding acquaintance with copyright laws.
I suspect that the individual copying of the occasional manual is not much
of an issue. HOWEVER.... wholesale photocopying of entire books in
quantity, while not intended to make profit for the person doing the
copying and distribution, may indeed be an infringement because this
activity deprives the holder of the copyright of the profit he/she would
gain through legitimate sales of the items.

Now.  If Graham's booklet is his own compilation of information, his own
photos, his own words, etc. etc., there's no problem.  There may, however,
be a problem if he has used photos or text from other copyrighted items.

And while it's true that the quantity of copies we're talking about is
small potatoes.... I disagree wholeheartedly with the rationale that "it's
unlikely to be prosecuted."  Likelihood of being caught has no bearing
whatsoever on the legality of the action. Shoplifting is okay if you're not
likely to get caught?  I think not. This is the same. Illegal copying is
illegal, discovered or not.

All that said, I withdraw from the discussion. I think we all have to do
what our conscience tells us to do.  I'm not going to report anyone.  I
might even buy one of the copies.  And I agree, none of us are up to
anything with the copies we trade.  If, indeed, Singer's manuals are out of
print, a whole different aspect of copyright law may hold sway.  I'm no

Lisa, who figures this is as long-winded as she needs to get on THIS topic
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 21:10:58, -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics

Hi Fanatics- I have for sale a Singer Spartan in really great condition for
only $100 plus shipping. It includes a xerox copy of an original
instruction sheet. E-mail to frxv68a@prodigy.com or hurray@GSN.NET if you
would like more details.
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 20:15:36 -0500
Subject: 301

Does any one have a copy of a 301 manual they would be willing to sell me?
I have a "new" 301 I am eager to clean up, oil and sew on.  

Are any of you in the northwest part of Arkansas?

Someone asked about the double return when printing this digest?  Did I miss
the  answer or could someone give me an answer?  I too, have wondered why
some letters print fine but most have a double carriage return.

This is a great group, gives me a lot of enthusiasm and I am always eager to
turn on my computer and see what someone has found or their comments.  I
really like all the human interest stories as much as I do all the great
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 21:25:13, -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics 5/15/96

To Kathy
Your "grasshopper" ELNA could be the machine advertised in a sewing 
pattern book I have from 1954.  The ad is grey scale, however, the 
machine is definitely GREEN.  "...the portable with the magic brain...
knows all--sews all..."  It is shown as a free-arm, but a smaller 
photo shows it standing with the carrying case that opens into a full-
size work table/bed.  Embroidery discs or "magic discs" are featured. 
 While this "grasshopper's" price is not listed in the ad, there is a 
comment, "For as little as $179.00 you can buy the Elna Transforma 
Straight Stitch Machine-Liberal Terms."  From this comment, I would 
conclude your "grasshopper" sold for more than $179.00 in 1954.  Hope 
this helps with your pricing negotiations.
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:24:45 -0400
Subject: Anniversary model 66

   I don't know if it would be possible that Singer put an Anniversary
medallion on a machine with a serial number of AH871762. The "birthdate" on
this machine would have been between 10/1/48 and 11/29/48. The earliest
Featherweight on the database with an Anniversary medallion has an allotment
date of 6/1/50. Singer didn't consistantly use this medallion on the
Featherweights until the 8/22/50 run, when half the machines had the all
brass medallion and half had the Anniversary. But we really don't know much
about the way Singer produced their machines. Maybe they produced the shell
with the serial number stamped on it sometime after the date that the
register numbers were assigned, but didn't actually finish assembling a
machine until months later, either due to demand or due to availablity of
other parts, or due to the possibility that it took that long to assemble and
finish a machine. It makes sense that the date we are being given as a
birthdate is just the beginning of the paperwork to put a model into
production. One example I have of how long it took for a machine to be put
into the customers hands came from a fellow Fanatic who in December of 1946
ordered a new Featherweight for his wife. She finally received it in August
of 1947. It had a "birthdate" of 4/22/47. (And she still has it!) So it took
4 months from the time it was alloted for it to be built and shipped to the
dealer before the customer received it. 

     And about your concern that a repairman changed the faceplate on your
machine, I don't know about the model 66, but the Featherweight faceplate
changed to the striated during 1947.I do have a manual for a 66-16 dated 1/51
that shows the faceplate is striated. Maybe another Fanatic has a 66 (or 99?)
with a closer date.

Happy Featherweighting,
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:32:45 -0500
Subject: Spartan

My mother, Jean (who also posts occasionally), says that the Spartan did not
come with a cover/case, just a base.  At least, that was the way hers came, 

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:38:28 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/15/96

is there a book available that shows pictures of FW's?  also, i have a White
Rotary Model #77MG23443 that i got at a yard sale...does anyone know anything
about it - it came with no manual or attachments but an excellent case and
the machine looks good too.  thanks.
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:31:25 -0600
Subject:  Toot, toot

Because I don't think she'd toot her own horn, I'd like to
toot it for her.  Our very own Katy
(sweigam@cris.com) in Michigan has two of her quilts
(not to mention a picture of her and her family)
featured in the Summer issue of Patchwork and
Quilting Ideas which is in the stands now.

Katy and I have become e-mail "pen pals" and have
been corresponding almost daily since November. 
We became acquainted as a result of this FWF digest.
Over the months we've found we have a lot in
common and share common interests.  I consider her
one of my dearest friends.

Congratulations Katy on your achievement!!  

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:31:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/15/96

	You wrote about a concern you have about stolen Featherweights, 
and the need for a database to track them.
	There already *is* a database! If you haven't already done so, 
fill out the survey form at http://www.quilt.com/FWFanatics/FWFSurvey.html
If someone informs the group of the serial number of a stolen Featherweight 
I will add it to the database in big red numbers, and if I ever get a new 
completed survey for that number we'll go from there.
    Just one more reason to fill out a survey! (I'm trying to make anyone 
who hasn't filled out out yet feel guilty! :) Did it work?)

Happy Featherweighting,
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW's For Sale/Chat

Joy-I paid $100 for my 1904 hand crank it was in excellent condition 
with little wear on the decals. It was also in working condition, so that 
was important to me because with the machines I buy I like them to work. 
I'd call Singer and get the exact birthdate, but handcranks are hard to 
come by here in CA.
Robin-I'm more worried about getting shot on the freeway than having my 
Featherweights stolen.  What an odd story, somebody wanted that baby, 
and I've been told and exhibits to take out the bobbin and the case. The 
important factor is there was no physical violence and no one suffered 
except psycologically from the loss. The sales tax really throws my Mom 
when she visits. I guess I'm just use to it. I love CA and Baja CA, Mexico.
Nancy-Yes Catz galore around here, wild animals also taken in. I missed 
my call should have been a zoologist. Glad you luffed your machine. I 
really try hard to tell it like it is as far as the condition of the 
machine and what I consider important or a good buy.

For Sale-
AE  $550 mint, case, copy of manual, attachments, oil can.  This machine 
is in woderful condition and always admired because of it's scrolled 
faceplate, great stencils and black in tack and shiny.

AG  $375.  Case, Manual, some attachments, even wear. $375

AL  $450. Case, Manual, Attachments, good condition.

AM  $510. Mint, Eqyptian stenciling, case great, attachments and manual.

	$30 for shipping, handling, insurance and tracking. If you need 
more info  e me or call.  Zsuxxa
Subject: Stolen FW/Egyptian
Date: Fri, 17 May 96 08:35:02 -0500

Hi everyone!,
   I'm not surprised about the stolen FW. I think it's a good idea about a
record of who owns what. If a database could be started where all of us who
own vintage machines could have a detailed record kept. Sue -- when the
surveys are made out, are they kept in a database or what? Could we all take
the survey, add all our info so it's kept on a database? I don't own a FW
but have a beautiful Julie Singer, her name, she was born 6 June 1946, a
class 15-91 model. 

   Another question, do we need extra home insurance for these vintage
machines? I realize they aren't 100 yrs old but! Also the attachments that
go with them.
   I know a lot of the machines were made but I wonder, has anyone bought a
stolen machine? Or does the person steal it because they can't afford to buy

   Graham -- thanks for the info on the egyptian machine, I don't feel it's
worth a $175, but I still find it unique. 
   Lydia -- Thank you too for the info on the egyptian machine. I can go
back to the shop that has it for sale to get the serial number. Now I know
it's a 127, maybe?,

   I was telling my retired Singer guy,Jim, he fixes my machines and wants
to give a class to FW owners on how to care for their FW, including taking
it apart and what to look for that would require more expertise. Anyway, he
said he'd never seen one, and was I sure it wasn't a decal that someone
stuck on there. I told him I didn't think so. Yesterday I copied off the
messages from Graham and Lydia and took them to him. He still has that FW
table. It has metal legs. 

   Has anyone heard of a Singer zigzag attachment? What are they selling for
or a blind stitch attachment and a darning-embroidery attachment?

   I'm such a novice at this and this is such a wonderful group! Thank you
Sue and everyone who makes this list happen!!
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:16:41 -0700
Subject: WTB: Feet for Singer 301

Hi, all! I haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading FWF cover to 
cover ! Need some help - I'm looking for walking foot and darning foot ( 
if there are such things) for my old Singer 301. I was gifted with a 
machine quilting class, and the supplies list calls for these feet to be 
used. The only machine I have that I can lower the feeddogs on is the 
301, and I don't have these feet. The class is next month, so if any of 
you have these, or know where I might obtain them, please e-mail ASAP.
Thanks, in advance !
Becky S
Date: Fri, 17 May 96 08:57:11 PDT
Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 5/15/96 

Hi everyone.  I do not own a featherweight - I joined this list because I love 
quilting and 
sewing.  I do have an old singer machine - with a foot pedal . The cabinet  is 
in decent 
condition.  I am going to start trying to find out how old it is.  Any ideas 
where to start?

Also - will someone please explain to me what a singer featherweight is all 
about?  It sounds 
like something I could get excited about investigating!!!

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:43:00 -0400
Subject: Singer 301 Feet Wanted

Want to Buy:  In dire need of walking foot and darning foot for Singer 301,
if there are such things, for a class I'm taking in June. Please e-mail
privately if you have or know of these items. Thanks. Becky S.
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:05:02 -0700


Kathy, regarding the small Elnas.

I have been wondering if either of these machines would be mentioned on
this newsletter. I remember when these machines were new because my Mom was
considering buying one of them for me for when I went away to College. She
did not buy either because she found a Morse full size machine at the Navy
Exchange for far less and felt I would get better use out of it.

I do not know what their value would be as a collectable - but they are
Swiss built machines and I was told at the time that they were quality
machines. Indeed the Lotus was selling for nearly the same price as the
full size Elna, and the full size came with an endless variety of cams.

I bought a Euro Sew and Go for quilting classes because it took me awhile
to find a FW and I refused to unbolt my Bernina 1130 (from it's cabinet)
for use in a weekly class. I would love to have either of those machines if
the price was right and would have preferred to buy either one of them
instead of the Euro because they ARE Swiss made. The Euro was $180.  If you
find out the prices please post them I am really curious what the dealer
comes up with. If I was closer to Calgary I would love to go check them
I goofed last time - I am looking for a Model 66-16 (not 66-19), circa late
40's early 50's, electric with reverse stitch lever. I learned to sew on
one of these machines and would dearly love to own one. My Mother wore hers
out and traded it in 1978 when she bought the then top of the line Viking.
If any repair ship did an unauthorized switch on my machine I would report
them to the BBB or treaten police/small claims action something- if they
didn't make good!! They must be an anomaly - I have never heard from any of
my sewing friends of such a thing happening to them and I can't imagine any
service oriented business surviving long if word got out on such practices.

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:39:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Buttonholer and knee bars

Hi everyone, I just bought a Singer Buttonholer (Thanks Katy!!) and it's 
a really neat contraption but I'm having a bit of a problem with it.  I'm 
using it on a 128-23 with the shuttle that goes back and forth 
(vibrating?) and the thread keeps breaking, also it looks like it's 
pulling the bobbin thread up to the top so there is a ridge along the 
top.  Does anyone have any advice about the breaking thread?  The machine 
stitches beautifully and the thread never breaks normally.  I was 
wondering if this was because the vibrating shuttle puts too much stress 
on the thread, the buttonhole manual does say that it is for the 301.  
And on the bobbin thread, what is a button hole supposed to look like 
using one of these?  Is it supposed to be the smooth satin stich on each 
side like I envision?  Thanks for any help in this!  

Lydia, you wrote recently that you had notice that your post on Knee bars 
didn't go though could you either re-post it or forward it on to me if 
you still have it?  If I could find a knee bar for my 99 I could try the 
buttonholer on an oscilating (sp!!) shuttle machine!!

Date: 17 May 96 16:59:12 EDT
Subject: manuals/books

*                             Sewing Machine Books                          *
*               (Previously listed book deleted from this list)             *
*            Featherweight 221 - Nancy Johnson-Srebro, 1st. ed  $7          *
*                                                                           *
*                     Available Singer Manuals (copies)                     *
*       Model 221 Service Manual, includes parts charts         $8          *
*       Model 27, 28, 127, 128 Service Manual, w/ parts charts  $8          *
*       Model 301 Adjuster's Manual, w/ parts charts            $8          *
*       Series 15- Service Manual w/ parts charts               $8          *
*       Model 201 - 1200 Service Manual w/ parts charts         $8          *
*       Series 66, 99, &185 Service Manual w/ parts charts     $8          *
*            Instruction Manuals available for these machines at $4         *
*                  We carry many parts for these machines...                *
* Note: Copies are available spontaneously at the cost of reproduction for  * 
* research or teaching purposes only - this is not a commercial endeavor~   *
*           ~ parts sales, however, *are* a commercial endeavor ;-}         *
*       Add $1 for SH for 1st manual/book, $0.50 each addl' manual          *
*             Email us for our current parts lists by machine type          *
*  Chris
Date: Fri, 17 May 96 15:03:05 -0700
Subject: (no subject)

Looking for a "featherweight" for sale. Must be cloase to London Ontario 
for look see. Jeano.
Date: 17 May 96 18:25:57 EDT
Subject: Contribution

True story number 13

Have just been told by a couple of FWFs that this story never made it complete
-- despite two attempts. So here goes for try three:

One of the most desirable machines ever produced was the Scottish Kimball and
Morton model made in the shape of a Lion.
For years we had known of one in terror-torn Belfast but the owner steadfastly
refused to sell although he had promised us first refusal.
Then, out of the blue, he phoned and revealed that he had been made a very high
offer by a Dutchman. This tempted him but, if we wanted to match the offer, the
machine was ours.
I arranged for him to be on the dock at Belfast with the machine and Maggie
planned to drive up to Liverpool overnight, get the ferry, meet up with the
Irishman and drive straight back onto the boat which had a one hour turnaround.
I had just waved her off and come back into the house when the phone rang. It
was a friend from Germany who told me that he had heard on the grapevine that
the Dutchman had learnt of our plans and had phoned Ireland and doubled his
What could I do? This was before the days of mobile phones and all I could see
was this picture of Maggie docking at Belfast to find, at best, the contact
wanting twice what she had with her and, at worst, not there at all.
There was nothing for it, I had to phone the guy in Belfast and hear the worst.
I rang

"Hi," he said, "I'm all loaded up for the morning. Is Maggie on the way?"
"Er, um. yes", I stammered. "I hear you've had another phone call from Holland"
"Yes", he replied. "The Dutchman's a persistant type of guy. Keeps puting the
price up. But, of course, I told him is wasn't mine any more and that he should
talk to you."
There's nothing to say to that. This guy could have invented any kind of excuse
to go back on our arrangement. But he didn't. To his mind we had shaken hands 
a deal, allbeit, over a telephone line, and that was the end of matters.
Maggie still has the machine. At the moment it's on loan to a German museum
where I know the Dutchman visits regularly.
I like to think of him flinching a little every time he walks past the Lion as
he remembers the day that all his money couldn't even dent one Irishman's

Graham F
Date: 17 May 96 18:26:05 EDT
Subject: Contribution

Chris re Vesta.
Not surprised the Singer shuttle fits -- the Vesta was one of dozens of Singer
clones made in Germany. L O Dietrich company opened in Alterburg in 1871.
Machine took on the Vesta name about 1905 when  LO died and his son took over
the business. I do not have any SN information on Vesta or any other of the
German clone mfrs but I could probably date the machine from a picture.
Vesta was the Roman Goddess of fire and was worshiped by the Greeks under the
name Hestia where she was the youngest of the 12 Olympic gods.Romans built a
Vesta temple in Rome next to the Vestal convent where lived the virgins who
cared for the eternal fire.

Re copyright
Let's hope you've put this to bed with your well reasoned approach.

To Lisa re copyright
I spoke too soon.
To align what has been proposed with shoplifting is plain silly. One is theft,
depriving another of their goods for which they have paid and hope to resell at
a profit. What we are talking about here is re-producing, with no aspect of 
(it's just cost me over $15 to post it to the USA!), a research aid that is not
available from any other source and which has been out of print for 15 years.
I see a difference here.
I was not suggesting -- as you will see if you re-check my original posting --
that there was no problem simply because we would not get caught. My point was
that no-one would give a damn.

To all
Noot just trying to have the last word but I suggest that we cease posting on
this copyright topic. It's beginning to annoy me and I'm here for enjoyment. 

Graham F
Subject: Need help identifying machine
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:17:37 -0400

I'm a real newbie and have been lurking, reading and enjoying your 
stories and letters re. hunting down FW's, etc.  I do own a "white FW" 
and haven't paid much attention to it before reading FWF.  I believe it 
was made in l946.   Today was another cold, rainy and downright nasty 
day here in Vt. so I got into my car this afternoon and took a ride to a 
local "junk" shop.  This place is creepy and smelly (you almost feel as 
though the bugs will get you] but I was desparate for a change of 
scenery.  I poked through smelly furniture and jelly glasses and tried 
to make it to the back of the store but a pile of junk was in my way.  
When I kicked the "P of J" my foot bounced off this very heavy box.  Low 
and behold !!!!  A sewing machine!!!.  Well, it wasn't black or green 
and white but it was an old green case with a cord hanging out.  I 
opened it up and there was this green metal sewing machine and a box of 
Greist attachments.  Very casually, (heart-beat, heart-beat) I asked the 
man how much?  He said, "$25.".  Verry, casually, I asked if it worked.  
As he was plugging the very old cord into a socket, another man who 
appeared to be annoyed said, "You have three minutes to check it out and 
that's all I'll give you.  Take the machine for $10."  Now I really had 
to appear nonchalant (beat, beat, beat) and said, "well, it looks OK but 
there's no booklet with it.  I guress you have a deal for $l0.".  On the 
way out of the store I spotted two black tin boxes of SM attachments 
(boxes are hinged, have gold lettering saying ATTACHMENTS, and gold 
swirls around the lettering].  I haven't a clue as to what I bought.  
The sewing machine is truly in mint condition (physically)  It is belt 
driven with a foot pedal.  On the top of machine is written "Precision 
Sewing Machine", on top front is medallion - gold and orange with a 
crown, says Modern Home.  On lower right front is another medallion, 
"Delux Precision, made in Japan".  The motor is "Champion, made in USA". 
 The attachment box is olive green, "Genuine Greist Sewing  Aids, 
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 21:11:33 -0400
Subject: Information on Franklin

Hi Everyone!

Can anyone give me some information on a treadle machine I own made by
Franklin?  I cannot find a patent date but it has the "bullet" type bobbin
shuttle.  Runs very good and has Egyptian Scareobs (spelling?) gold leaf
decals on it.  The cabinet is not too good.  It's very plain and is missing 2
drawers.  DH is going to try to make the missing ones.

I would appreciate any information anyone can give me. 

Thanks.  Terri 
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 21:18:02 -0400
Subject: toy Singer

To Joy:  I received your e-mail today and deleted your address.  Meanwhile, I
learned of a tan Singer (1955-ish) for sale.  Please e-mail me back if
interested and I'll put you in touch with the seller.  -Mari in N. Cal where
my Dining Room is filling up with sewing machines and at some point I'm going
to list what I have, what I want to keep and what I  want to trade for.
 Enjoy the weekend all!
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 22:19:01 -0400
Subject: Purchase of white FW

Today I received from GW a white FW that I recently purchased
from him thru a FWFanatics posting.

Before purchasing this machine I talked to him by phone to learn a little
about the white FW.  Upon receiving  it, it  is really in better condition
than he described to me by phone.   This machine as well as the case, manual
 and attachments are in perfect condition - no sign of wear anywhere - it
would be a 10+ on Graham's scale.  He also included the name and city of
where the original owner of the machine lived.  I really appreciated this
information and hopefully when I bow out my name and address will be included
with the machine's history.

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 22:47:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: what to look for when buying sewing machines?

Hi everyone,

I am still here. I read the list everyday, and really enjoy it.

I have been seeing a lot of yard sales, and "for sales" in the newspapers.
I saw the other day a Pfaff sewing machine for $25.00, Singer for $25.00
and others for $25.00 and up.

If I were to call about these or any other machine:

What is the first thing to ask?
What am I looking at in the machine?
How to tell if it is a treasure or junk?

What if the person says it was laying in the attic for 20 years and doesn't
know anything about it?

I really only have my one Free Westinghouse that was given to me. As far as
buying one, I don't have any idea of what I would be looking at, or how to
tell if it's a bargain or junk.  

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 23:36:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: More machines!

I've had a couple of interesting shopping expeditions, and seen some
different machines, but no FWs!

Last weekend, I found an Elias Howe treadle (for $400) -- I have no
idea if the machine warrants that kind of money, and I sure don't
trust the dealer's expertise.  He told me that the machine was worth
a lot of money because the inventors' seal was on the machine!  (He
pointed out the gold seal that looks a lot like the seals on all the
other old machines I've seen!)  Both Elias's and Howe's names are 
there, he told me, when I didn't seem suitably impressed! :-0  
He voluteered the information that Elias &Howe [sic] had invented 
the sewing machine, and that this was one of the very first machines
ever made in the US!  (From what I understood, Howe didn't make 
machines in the US until the end of the Civil War, after he won
that big patent infringement lawsuit -- I heard that he made some
machines in England prior to that.  Am I totally wrong here?  And
was old Elias, perhaps, a split personality?  :-)  )  
I was put off enough that I didn't look at the machine
for long, but it didn't sew that well, anyway (so I wouldn't get
any use out of it) and while the cabinet had been restored to 
looking almost new, the machine was pretty battered and looked
out of place in that cabinet.

I went back to look at the little Willcox &Gibb.  It does look 
like it must have been a hand crank, but the crank is missing,
and I can't quite figure out where it must have fit.  No price
on it yet; still waiting for that.  Thanks for the info on the
hand crank, Graham -- we can always count on you for help!

I saw a bunch of Singers today, but they're pretty much priced
for the carriage trade.  They wanted $135 for a run-of-the-mill
one that didn't even have all its parts!  My real find was 
a little Vesta -- it was priced less than all the rest, and in
excellent shape.  It was a hand crank, but it was very light
(Featherweight-light) -- I didn't take a really close look at
it, but I'm going back to take a second look tomorrow.  What
a pretty thing!

I found some attachments (of course) for a top-clamping machine,
in a little black tin box with a green felt lining.  I also saw
two sets of plastic stitch cams for machines I didn't recognize,
and what looked like one of the old-style buttonholers (the
one that doesn't use the little metal templates.)  I also found
a little oval-shaped green oil can.  It says "Stainless Sewing 
Machine Oil" -- "Singer" is nowhere on it.  Is this *the* oval 
green oil can?  If so, I think I got a bargain.  If not, well,
it wasn't much more than I would have bought it for at the
hardware store, and its age is in keeping with the machines I'll
use it on.  (I bought the oil can.)  I also bought an old Ladies 
Home Journal (1961) that has a two-page Singer ad.  Boy, is that 
new (in '61) white FW pretty!  And not a bad price -- I'd buy one 
new (if I could) for $129.50! :)  I'll probably do something 
sacreligious, like cut the pages out and frame them for my sewing 
corner, where I'm keeping my growing collection of machines.

A good day, in other words...  I know people have asked about
Vestas already, so I'm waiting (with bated breath!) to see if
there are any replies to them.

Always in stitches,
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 14:26:22 -0400
Subject: Replacement belts

Does anyone have a good source for replacement belts for the Featherweights?
 Saw a vendor at Paducah but they were already sold out.  Thanks.
Date: 18 May 96 15:55:24 EDT
Subject: various

Hi All...

For  Graham:  Thanks for the info on the VESTA. Found a treadle cabinet this 
weekend  for  $25 in reasonable shape. I'll mount the Vesta in it and have a 
unique  ersatz  creation  -  very  rare,  only  one known to exist! (And you 
thought Dr. Frankestein was weird)

RE:  Unscrupulous  repair  persons...  Got a call from one the North Florida 
Guild  members  yesterday.  Seems  as  though she had taken her FW in to her 
local  sewing  shop  for  cleaning.  They  offered  her $350 for her FW. She 
refused  and  left  it. She got a call the next day and was told her machine 
was  'broken'  but  could  be  repaired... for $195. "Wwwhhhhaaaattt???" she 
said,  "It  sewed  before  I  brought  it  in"! Well, turns out her Hook and 
Bobbin  Case  is  history. She suspects that they swapped her good one for a 
broken one. She's not a happy camper and has contacted a lawyer.

On  a brighter note, later she *found* a FW in the trash. She asked the lady 
who  was piling it up at the curb and was told - "Oh, that old thing"! "It's 
been  getting  in  my  way  in  the garage for the last 10 years". Well, the 
trash  machine's  in  pretty  bad  shape, but looks complete. She's bringing 
both  machines  up  to  me Monday for a "transplant". And, I get to keep the 
remains... ;->

Well,  put  a  new  belt, needle, and bed feet in the FW I bought last week, 
cleaned  it,  oiled  and  adjusted  it,  and sold it today for $350... Steak 

Regards,   Chris 
Subject: Addendum to 5/17/96 letter
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 16:14:58 -0400

I wrote yesterday asking for help identifying a SM .   For some reasonmy 
entire letter didn't get through.  I left off trying to describe the 
olive green box of attachments which came with the machine.  The box top 
says, "Genuine Greist Sewing Aids, Special Set No. IV " with an eagle.  	
	Yesterday started out as a dreary day but by 4:00 pm the sun was 
shining and I ended the afternoon with an unknown, working sewing 
machine and two tin boxes of unknown attachments.  If anyone could offer 
I.D. help, I would appreciate it.  DH was not too happy when he carried 
"another sewing machine" into the house.  For some unknown reason I just 
can't get him to understand the joy of finding these used "treasures".  
Thanks for any help. 
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 18:25:34 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 5/17/96

I need some information about a Mal's Mini Classic Sewing Machine.  I thought
I was looking at a Singer Featherweight but it is not.  I would like to know
more about this machine.  The manual sports a 1987 date.  Is it a
reproduction of a Singer featherweight?
Are parts interchangeable with Singer?  Anyway, I need to know all about this
machine.  The seller is asking $175.00.  

Thank you,
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 19:05:58 -0400
Subject: Original manual`

Hi to all!

I have an original manual for the treadle machine "Minnesota model "a" if
anyone would like a copy.  The cover is pretty beat up, but the directions
are in good shape.

Subject: Voltage transformers
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 20:12:36 -0400

To Graham:  
Concerning the use of voltage transformers to run a 220 volt  sewing machine
on 110 volt.  We have not had good luck with transformers.  My husband was
in the military and stationed in Germany a few yrs. ago--we used
transformers for my brand new Singer sewing machines, hairdryers, toasters,
etc.  Everything was fine while we were using the transformers, but when we
got back to the States and began to run everything on 110 volts again--the
motors of all of our appliances died within a very short time frame--way too
many items to just be a coincidence.  It can't be blamed on a bad
transformer either, because we owned 3-4 different types of transformers (
for the different rooms of our apt).  Has anyone else ever heard of this?
Could it be that it had something to do with the fact that we were using the
transformers for over a year, whereas most people that travel only use them
for short periods of time?   Graham, I  know you travel all over the world
and know a lot more about this than I do-(I am certainly not an
electrician--not even close!)-I just wanted to let our experiences be
known---sure would hate it if it burned someone's fw motor out--toasters,
hairdryers and new Singers are replaceable, but our treasured fws are not
Thanks. Kim :.)

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