Featherweight Fanatics Archives

September 1996

Sunday, September 1st - Saturday, September 7th

Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 14:15:48 -0400
Subject: Re:301 with frozen Head

Well, I have learned alot of all your letters and I just bought a beautiful
301 this am for $60 with attachments and buttonholer.  However she doesn't
work.  After fooling with her for a long time and removing a pound of lint
from under the faceplate.  The main shaft will not turn.  There does not
appear to be any thread near the bobbin.  Also when the clutch is disengaged
the motor works and the wheel turns.  But when it is engaged the wheel does
not turn and appears frozen.  Any solutions on this one or is my best bet the
Sm repairman?  Thanks, Laura
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 23:58:21 -0700
Subject: My latest acquisition

Hi Everyone...

I had been corresponding with Judy via the FW Digest and pvt. email...and
Emily doesn't have Inet access...Judy was my go-between, carrying all my
to Emily, about a machine she had for sale.  After awhile, to take some of this 
email off Judy, I asked for Emily's phone number, and spoke directly to her.

Well,  drove out to California on Friday afternoon, arriving around 8:30
pm....and called Judy to say
I had arrived.

We followed Judy to Emily's home.  Nice lady....... it was the first time I
met Judy or Emily.
And they looked exactly as I had imagined!  

I had made a deal to purchase Emily's Florence Machine.  I have scanned the
photos, and if
anyone wants to take a look, let me know, and I'll send the JPG files.  In
case you have
Carter Bays' book, turn to Page 79.....now mine is just one step nicer (if
that's possible).  Mine
has the square, hinged cover on it.  

Ya'll, I have to confess...I AM ONE HAPPY COLLECTOR.  Between wanting this very 
machine and a treadle in the drawing room cabinet.......and then GETTING
them BOTH in 
the same year.......I cannot begin to tell you how very thrilled I am.

Had it not been for this FW Digest, I would have never found, let alone
known that the
Florence was for sale.  I thank Sue, I thank each and everyone who
participates here.

Oh, and yes...during one of those "warehouse raids" I've been doing, found a
Model 24 chainstithch machine.  Cute as can be.   I have it sitting on a
table next to 
my "cat-back" type Willcox &Gibbs. Everyone remarks about how unique the two 
them are.

Well, after more than 17 hours of driving, I've got to 'hang up my boots'
for the nite, cause
I'm one tired puppy.  But that Florence is worth 117 hours driving, had it
been  needed.

I have found lots of throatplates and all sorts of accessories and
attachments.  Anything
anyone is looking for, email me....and only as a suggestion...if there's an
attachment you're
trying to find, look in your manual, and try to include the PN [part
number]. Sure helps
in sorting this mountain of goodies.

Warmest regards to all ----**=Bobbie=**----    
Date: 01 Sep 96 04:50:52 EDT
Subject: Fiister &Rossmann

HI there,
I have a fully working Frister and Rossmann sewing machine that is about 100
years old.

Does anybody know where I can obtain needles and bobbins for it.

The local agents ( U.K. south of England ) laugh when I ask them and tell me
that the machine should only be kept as a curio not for regular use. The thing
is I like it. I've got two electric machines and find the old manual one much
easier and simpler to use for every day needs.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Shaun M
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:32:50, -0500
Subject: Singer Sewhandy toy model 50 &model 15

Dear FWFs:
     I wrote in awhile ago to ask about whether anyone had an 
instruction manual for a Singer Sewhandy model 50.  No responses.  
Maybe it didn't get posted.  Does anyone have one that can be copied 
for me for a fee?  I know nothing about these little chain stitchers. 
     Also, I have a model 15.  Not sure if it's a 15-88 or a 15-91.  
How can I tell the difference?  Does anyone have a manual that I 
could purchase ?
    Thanks so much.  I really enjoy the postings!   Margo
Date: Sun,  1 Sep 1996 06:04:55, -0500
Subject: FW Tables, Free Arm &Ott-Lite

Hi everyone, haven't posted for a while but sure do enjoy getting my
daily FW fix (thanks to Sue).

For several years I've been thinking I had a really nice FW table.  When
I picked up my second and started comparing the 2 I'm not so sure about
the first one anymore.  It has a wooden top, black metal edges and legs.
 The underside of the top is painted black and there's no serial number
to be found anywhere.  The second table has a wooden top also (DH thinks
maybe mahogany) but brown metal edges and tapered brown metal legs. 
Also serial number (A428427).  Second &first generation?   Any thoughts
or info?

Found a Free Arm locally but the guy wants $1,200.  He thinks there were
only about 30 made (we know better!)  I know something is "worth" what
the buyer will pay but what are they actually selling for? Does $1,200
sound REAL high or just a little high?

The UPS man brought my Ott-Lite Friday.  My sewing room is in light
heaven.  We live in an old farmhouse that has been skillfully and not so
skillfully remodeled by every owner with a sawsall.  The room I have
taken over for my sewing room has rough side out cedar wainscoating &
ceiling (must have been a sale that day -- it's everywhere!)  That dark
ceiling just sucks light out of the room.  I sew with 2 overheads and 1
floor lamp and still am glad for the FW light!  Well, now that I have an
Ott-Lite I'm a happy quilter.  It sheds more light than the original 3! 
Very compact and handy.  Thanks, Phil at Little Foot.  (Usual disclaimer
applies, no affiliation, etc.)  Oh, and Little Foot's price is $20
cheaper than the "other guy" advertising.

Enough for now!  Leslie
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 11:10:06 -0400
Subject: Search for SM Icon

Hi All:

I've been searching the net for an icon of a sewing machine in profile.
 There are icons of every imaginable item -- wrenches, mailboxes, clocks,
irons -- but I am unable to find a sewing machine.  If anyone can point me to
one, I'd appreciate it.

Also, I'm curious as to how many of us FWFs there are.  Sue,  how many of us
subcribe to this list?  It's a wonderful thing you've done, making this forum
available.  Thank you.  

--Larry M
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:27:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:  Boye needle case

Well, I went back to the store and I got them to come down on the needle
case. I ended up paying about $91 including tax.  The wod case is in almost
perfect shape.  The metal top is in pretty good shape, virtually no rust,
although the paint has a few small chips in a couple of places.  Therewere
7 of the wooden cylindrical needle cases inside.  On the "front" of the
wooden part is a tin sign that says Boye brand sewing machine and hand
needles and Boye handy Pin case.  Oh, the metal strip that holds the round
part to the wooden base does have some rust on it.  What would be the best
method of shining that up?  Thanks   Kathy
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 04:52:44 -0700
Subject: Knee levers for Singer Model 99

     I noticed that a couple of you out there are trying to find knee levers 
for your machines.  I have seen two different types.
     I have two Model 99 machines.  One is American and other British.  They 
each have a different knee levers.  I was able to replace missing knee 
levers  through a couple of local sewing machine repair shops.  The two 
brothers each run their own shop.  They are very partial to the older 
machines.  Their shops look like museums.  Anyway,  they have been great 
resources for missing parts.  If they don't have what you need,  they may 
make them for you.

     If you are looking for knee levers, E-mail me privately and I will put 
you in touch.
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:45:17 -0500
Subject: my new baby!

well, darlin' dh did it again :-D.  he went out garage saling, and I was
really hoping he'd walk in with either a treadle or a white -and-green
case....but no, just a black one :-). AL something. Very late scrollwork.

He didn't get it for nothing this time - he bought it from a friend , so
paid "real money" - but not a whole lot, and that's good because the poor
little thing needs work!  the top layer of varnish/whatever is gone in
places, but the gold work is fine, worn only along the front right, and the
machine itself is fine!  lots of lint under the feed dogs (Al, I'm so glad
you told me a while back that it was ok to take those off!) - in fact, I'd
be amazed if it worked at all with all the junk packed under there!  Someone
(notice i didn't mention dh's friend by name!) had _greased_ all the oiling

I used something called Tri-Flow to clean this time.  I got it from our
sewing machine dealer, and wanted to try it out...the can says it's better
than WD-40.  worked fine, didn't hurt the gold, and has Teflon added to it.
I used it on the tape adhesive on the bed of the machine (didn't take it all
off :-(  , and also used it to clean off all the lubricant.  then re-oiled,
re-lubed, plugged her in, and sewed!

On the subject of Sex of featherweights...this one's a girl!  wonder why?  I
do have a boy one - his name's AJ.  he's also the only FW I have with a
name.  the others are "The first one", "the new one", and this one is just
"the new baby". I probably won't keep this one, I've posted to some quilters
locally to see if I can find her a good home.

Sherrie G
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 13:49:17 -0400


Interesting info on the differences between the tan 301 and 301a machines. I 
have seen both 301 and 301a in the black versions. The black 301a had the 
same gold decorations as the later FWs. My black 301s (no A) looked identical 
except the gold work around the edge of the bed looks like a pattern of 
alternating squared S's and rectangles. Hope this makes sense. The only other 
difference I could find was that the thread guides had a slightly different 
shape. All the black ones I have seen in either the 301 or 301a, had the 
short bed extension. The 301a I saw (with short extension) came in a case. 

Now, doesn't this just make things crystal clear?  :) I wish we could find 
someone from Singer who could shed some light on the reason for the different 
 model designations. Any ideas? 

Heidi- Never apologize for long posts! We all love to hear everyones 
great stories. Sounds like you got some great deals. It encourages the 
rest of us that there are deals out there just waiting to be found. 

BTW, remember the old fiddle based treadle Cheryl found? My Singer guy is 
going to get it so I will get to take a peak at it first. I don't have 
room for it myself so I am thrilled for the chance to look at it. 

Happy hunting to all, Katy
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 10:50:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: info on SM

Still looking for any information on my Windsor B machine, if any of you
answered I  have missed the posting. It is black,  about the size of a FW,
and has beautiful scrollwork design all over the top and sides of the base
as well as the head.  Any suggestions as to where else to inquire?

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 13:34:35 -0700
Subject: Elna SU

Hi Lynn,  I have a promo that Elna gave us at new dealer training the 
says these dates for Elna machines.
  elna Innovation was from 1940-1951
  elna Supermatic Innovation 1952-1963 this is the ugly green one with 
the knee lever that I have, rounded edges and cam opening in the upper 
right top of the machine but we also have an SU that is blue &white with 
a blue gray metal case. 
  elna Lotus Innovation 1964-1977
  elna Air Electronic Innovation 1978
  elna Computer Innovation 1987 their 7000 model
      I think this paper was written in the late 80s so these last two 
models were still being produced.  Not sure when the air elctronic 
stopped by the 7000 stopped in the last 5 years.
  I am still confused as to when what was produced.  elna had a neat 
display when we we there for training of all the old machines but we had 
about 8 days of work jammed into 4 and my brain just didn't register that 
I should have paid close attention to them.

Heres some trivia about stitches for you all from a promo from elna:

zigzag stitch invented by Kayser in 1882
the rest listed were all invented by elna

quick seam 1952 _/\_/\_ 
serpentine 1952 (curved zigzag)
blind stitch 1952
lingerie stitch 1963
edging stitch &elastic blind stitch  1952
reinforced staight stretch stitch 1952
feather stitch 1952
shirring stitch &tricot stitch (herringbone stitch) 1955
overlock stitch 1963
super stretch &knit stitch 1969
double overlock 1976
super overlock 1982

This promo paper looks like it is from the late 80s.

A friend gave us a 210 that she had molding away in her basement.  This 
was the worst smelling machine I have ever seen.  It was so bad, I banned 
it to the garage and it sat in the sun for two days before we could even 
bring it in.  Jim has been working on it and she is really starting to 
shape up.  I think shes about a 4 or 5, the woman who owned her was a 
bridal and drapery seamstress.  The gold is completely worn off on the 
bed of the machine but she is sure starting to look pretty!

Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 8/30/96
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 16:38:20 -0500

This is for Heidi:

Re your question as to hemstitching attachments creating holes for 
attaching lace edgings.  I don't think so...  you may be referring to 
what a 'wing' needle does.  They're available everywhere now.  Check it 

Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:03:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Piecing on the 66

I knew there was some reason we put that treadle in the kitchen.  It is
backed up to a big window and there is plenty of light to sew.  We put our
newist sm, the 66, in the treadle and I was piecing on it today. 
Beautiful.  The only noise is the clicking of the tension spring.  I'm
going to leave the makings of a jewel box quilt right by the machine and I
can piece while I'm cooking.  

Saw some interesting ads in today's paper in case anyone in Ohio is
interested.  On the 5th in Plain City there will be an auction that
includes a treadle machine.  Doesn't say what kind.  On the 7th in
Circleville they will be auctioning 10 quilts and a Stitchwell sewing
machine.  I have never heard of a Stitchwell.  Also on the 7th for you
quilt collectors, they will have an auction of the estate of a 103 year
old woman which includes 10 quilts in unused or near unused condition. 
They mentioned the North Carolina Lily and the Lone Star and the others
sound like appliqued quilts.

Yesterday I got together with Lydia.  She is a very nice person and
brought along a great baby quilt that she made for ABC.  I showed her my
jewel box blocks and my white on white blocks and she got to see the FW pin.  
I think we could have talked for another 24 hours if either of us had time.

Sue, I think you are right in putting the for sale notes in another
newsletter.  They are available for us to see if we are looking for
something.  Now this will go back to being just talk about our finds and
hints and problems.

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 20:22:10 -0400
Subject: new box

I know I've seen posted here a place or person that is making new
replacement boxes for the 221s.  I did not think to put this information in
a safe place.

If anyone knows of anyone making new boxes, not rubbermaid or other
plastics, but real wood ones, please e-mail me.  I will be ever grateful!

Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:06:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FW card table

Hello All,
        I have some good news (I think) and some bad news.  So here's the
good news first.  This past weekend, I drove past a yard sale several blocks
from my home and spy-ed a FW card table.  I turned back around and inquired
as to its price. Now I honestly don't know what they sell for as I have
never seen one for sale before, but I wasn't going to quibble over their
price of $20.  It was a deal for me as not only is the table sturdier than a
new folding table but also more importantly, it makes a complete FW ensemble
for me.

        Now for the bad news. It is not in the greatest of conditions as it
was covered with contact paper.  Nasty stuff!  DH has used xylene to remove
the residual glue but it also removed the lacquer finish.  It looks like it
has a cherry stain.  Could that be the original?  Can anyone suggest
products that could be used for the veneer part and also for the black
edging on the sides of the table and the black for the legs?  Some of the
metal parts underneath have rust on them.  What should I do about that?

        Not too long ago, there was an interesting FW post describing the
differences in (4?) types of FW folding tables.  Never dreaming I would run
into one, I didn't bother to copy it.  I would really appreciate it if
anyone is able to redirect it to me.

        If I have paid too much, please be gentle in your criticisms.
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 18:59:02 -0400
Subject: New Home Machine

Just purchased a New Home model 8F at a flea for $20.  She's got a
green godzilla finish and came with a bunch of attachments and cover
plates.  She's at least a 9.  I don't know anything about this machine
but couldn't resist Army green and she's the same size, but heavier,  as
a FW.  I also had a box of attachments that fit it.
    Does anyone know anything about the old New Homes?  I haven't
figured out if this one even goes in reverse (the wirings kinda scary,
but it does run).  I'd sure appreciate any help on this.
     I have a little different reason (or is it rationalizing?) for
collecting the old, simple to use machines.  I am involved with Girl
Scouts and we want to teach them to quilt.  Would hate to hand over my
fancy Pfaff!   Sue
Subject: FW Rufflers
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 22:41:45 -0500

Hi All:
I've seen several requests over the last few months from people who want 
to know about their attachments.  There is a great article in Threads 
Magazine this month (actually the September issue) on the ruffler 
attachment.  It goes into great detail on the many neat things you can 
do with the ruffler.  I've used mine and found it to be lots of fun, but 
was always a bit befuddled at the sketchy directions available in the 
Singer manuals.  In my opinion, this one article was worth the cover 
price of the magazine.

For Mary: RE 500 Rocketeer:  Larry's got a 401 for $225, and Doreen's 
got a 301 for $175, so I would say $75 for a 500 was a good price, 
especially since all the pieces and parts are there.  The 500 is almost 
exactly like the 401, and both are really cool machines.  I think you'd 
like it once you got it home and played with it a little.  Like all 
these old Singers, it's a dependable workhorse and can sew circles 
around alot of the new junk being sold today in that price range.  There 
are lots of people on this list that have the slant shank Singers (say 
that 5 times fast). I'll bet you get alot of mail about this!

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 00:17:09 -0400
Subject: Hi

Hello Everyone,

I have not sent in anything for a few weeks.  I have been busy cleaning my
1869 singer treadle and getting ready to get back to school for me and the
kids.  I attend college at night and on weekends.

I check it today to the chat session that FWF has on sundays.  I missed most
of you.  I guess that it being a holiday weekend most of you were busy.  But
I just got the software (The Palace) up and running and finaly managed to
check in.  I hope to catch you next time...

Have a good day... David (:D
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 01:53:46 -0400
Subject: 328K strength

Been told by many people that the 328K is a "cheaper" model machine,
even though it is a good ol' metal Singer. But I knew it had a special
strength of its own. Well, looking at Herman here, I thought, "It sure
looks like a powerhouse, let's give it a test." So I pulled out a pair
of our son's old outgrown and worn-out jeans. (All usable fabric finds
its way to the stash, of course.) Folded a leg in half and started
sewing through all four layers. Ran right through it like the lightest
poly-cotton. Hit one of those big flat-felled seams and stopped moving
(but still stitching like mad). So I boosted the nose of the presser
foot up there a bit and touched the pedal. Vroom! Right over without the
slightest complaint. I thought that was good, until I turned the jeans
over and saw that it had sewn right through TWO big flat-felled seams,
one on top of the other. Needless to say, the 328K has now earned the
right to sit proudly alongside the other machines in our sewing room. I
don't think I would even try that on a new, $2000+, computerized,
"SuperStitchoMatic" (though I think I'll try it tomorrow on our 221,
301, 401, and 66). No wonder we're so obsessed with the old machines.

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:30:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: MORE machines!!

I've decided I should start this by saying: "Hello, I'm Suzanne and I'm a
sewing machine fanatic!" So much for my will power where machines are
concerned! Went to an estate sale on Saturday and bought yet two MORE Singer
sewing machines! The first is a model 201 in a lovely bentwood case -
nothing else with it, but it's such a nice machine I couldn't resist. They
also had a cabinet model 15 in very good condition, but I don't need another
one of these. However, it came with its stool which held a complete box of
attachments and manual, plus a box of attachments for a Rotary machine. It
was priced at $35, but when I hesitated, they said they'd take $20 and I
couldn't resist that of course. THEN yesterday my husband and I went to the
flea market in Stormville where I bought my Elna and had a WONDERFUL time.
They had lots of toy machines - quite a few of the black metal ones that are
too high priced for me , but fun to see - and I ended up buying three of
them. I got a Betsy Ross toy for $15, a Singer model 50D electric with its
case, manual, and box for $40, and then when we were leaving saw ANOTHER of
the same machine, only it was marked $20! As I was crying over this, my
husband urged me to get it (dear man that he is), and the woman took $16, so
now I have TWO of them!! I also got an empty fold out oak attachment box for
$3. What I didn't buy, but was awfully tempted (see I have SOME will power -
it's called lack of unlimited resources!) was a New National hand crank
machine in a bentwood case for $60. It was unfortunately missing the base of
the case, so the bobbin mechanism rubbed on the ground, but aside from that
was in pretty good shape. I was also VERY tempted by a machine called a Bell
- it was green and the size of a toy, but electric with a foot pedal and all
it's attachments, in a wooden case, plus a piece that fit around its free
arm! It was priced at $130, but was SO CUTE - the woman thought it might
have been a salesman's sample since it was too intricate for a toy and too
small to actually sew on (the foot control fit into the wooden box, not on
the floor). I was also tempted by a case that held a child's sewing kit
INCLUDING a plastic Necchi machine (only very small and flimsy looking). It
was from a store stock, so had never been opened, but because of that the
woman wanted $40 for it. I also saw several Singers in bentwood cases, but
none in very good shape, a couple of Singer treadles (including one for $295
in the drawing room cabinet - really pretty), and quite a few other toys and
machines - INCLUDING at least 4 W&Gs!! Most were just the heads in pretty
bad shape (I've still not seen one in a treadle stand), but one was mounted
on the hand crank device that I would LOVE to own. Unfortuantely, it was
$200 and the machine wasn't in very good shape, but at least now I've SEEN
one - so they do exist! My poor husband didn't find anything that interested
him, although he does enjoy looking at things he once had - he just won't
pay the price to own them again. He's a sweetheart to put up with all this
with me - I feel very fortunate to have him! Anyways, it was great fun and I
once again spent more money this weekend than I should - but I do have some
nice things to show for it - now all I have to do is find ROOM for them in
this jungle of machines! Glad some of you can understand this obsession -
makes me feel a little less crazy! Sue M.
Subject: Singer Calendars
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 96 10:51:15 PDT


     I'm looking for information about Singer Calendars. I've recently 
learned that my mother and
my aunt who are both deceased were " Calendar Girls " in calendars produc
ed by the Singer
Company. This would have been probably in the mid to late 1920's when the
y worked for Singer
in Scotland.

     Any information about these calendars would be greatly appreciated. 
Perhaps, a source
that would lead me to obtaining a copy or reproduction.


     George T
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:18:56 -0400
Subject: Wanted:

Cast iron treadle base parts needed for Wilcox &Gibbs chain stitch circa
1918.  Right side only.  Please email Mari
Subject: 301s
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:43:04 -0500

To Rosemary and others interested,

Perhaps I need to clarify my response to Wilma about 301 bed extensions. 
 My response had nothing to do with cases, as both short and long bed 
machines could come in carrying cases.  Yes, there are cabinets that fit 
the short bed 301s. There are also TABLES, similar  to featherweight 
tables, that were made for 301s.  The tables were made in two sizes (the 
cutouts, that is), one to fit short and one to fit long beds. (I 
recently acquired one of the long bed ones from another 301 owner...fits 
like a dream.)  I added this information for Wilma and others who may 
not be aware that *furniture* was made for the long as well as short bed 
machines.  Hope this helps.

Meanwhile, a matte finish 301?  Cool!  I can't wait to hear if there are 
others...it's a novelty to me.

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:50:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Bobbin Trouble

I'm the lucky newbie on this list.  Ran into a 221-1 at an estate sale 
last week.  Francis the FW was born in 1938, came in her case, and with 
most of the original attachments (including original manual).  I've since 
gotten a new belt, tension adjusted, and cleaned, oiled &polished her to a 
shine.  Every thing runs great &quiet except the bobbin.  

The bobbin case make a "clank clank" sound.  It sounds like something 
needs to be tightened, but I can't find an ajustment screw.  Any suggestions?

Also, where can I get the grease/lube for the cogs?

Looking forward to chatting about my new baby (named after the lady that 
owned her before me - Francis).

Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:04:52 +0000
Subject: Parts numbers

To anyone:
Does anyone know where I can find a list of parts numbers for feet 
and attachments for the Singer 401a?  I am trying to complete my set 
of accessories and am having trouble doing so without the numbers.
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:01:13 -0400
Subject: FW'S

Hi! I'm new to the group and have been reading through the messages
sent. I've picked up some good info so far.  I have 4 FW's and one
table.  Saw a white FW while on vacation last year but the budget just
didn't allow buying it.  That was the last FW I've seen. Of course now
I'm sorry I didn't.  I also collect Toy Sewing Machines which are
getting difficult to find.  But it sure is fun looking and even more fun
to come across a machine.  Hope to join in a chat session soon.
Happy hunting,  Lisa
Subject: "Victor" info
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:35:41 +0000

I saw a "Victor" SM today in a beautiful walnut cabinet, but I know nothing
about a Victor.  Does anyone (Graham ?) know anything about this machine.
It's a small machine with a shuttle, and the bobbin is about an inch long.
There are a series of patent dates on the back slide plate and the last date
looks to be April 1890.  There is also something about "Conn." on the slide
plate which I assume is where it was made.  The dealer wants $300.  There is
no manual, but a drawer full of attachments. A lot of the gold is worn off,
but a decal on the bed is still pretty clear.  Were there many Victors made?
TIA for any info.

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:04:22 -0400
Subject: Re:Fw table

To Leslie D ,
  I have also bought and seen both types of tables you describe and both fit
the Fw.  I have certainly seen more of the tables with the black edge.  But
was surprised to see the one with brown metal edge and legs. By the way it
refinished beautifully and had a lovely grain of wood under all the scratches
and nicks.  The table with the black edge and legs has a very thin veneer
coating on it and much harder to refinish. 
 To Michael and Libby,
  $20 for a FW table is a wonderful price, but you just have to do a little
work on it now.  I would take an electric sander and sand down the very top
layer( It is a very thin venner on the top, so don't sand too much)- now sure
what is under the veneer. I stained my top and then put two coats of aq low
lustre varnish on top on that.  You could skip the stain and see how the
varnish looks on the wood.  As far as the black legs and side go- I lightly
sanded  them and then used a black spray , being careful to protect the wood
top.  I wouldn't even mess with the underneath-no one sees it anyway.  Mine
all have rust underneath. Laura
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:04:05 -0400 (EDT)

To Beth (and anyone else): About finding homes for old (but usable)
machines.  You might check to see if there is a Ronald McDonald House in
your area.  These houses are located near medical facilities and provide
low-cost housing to parents of children with serious medical conditions
who are currently receiving treatment at these facilities.  This means,
for instance, if your child has just had 12 hours of surgery and won't
even begin to wake up for another three hours, you have empty time on your
hands.  Anyway, they try to equip the houses with things like board games
and exercise stuff and so on......things that will help fill up waiting
time and maybe even take a parent's mind of their kid's problems (if only
for a short time).  Note that the contribution box you may see in your
local restaurant does NOT necessarily support the local House.  Each house
receives its seed money from the Ronald McDonald Children's Charity
foundation, then has to make its way in its own community.  So maybe your
local Ronald house, if there is one, would be happy to accept a sewing
machine in reasonable working order.  Any money you (or your local quilt
guild) happened to spend on notions and attachments would be tax
deductible as a charitable contribution.  Beats having a working machine
end up in the dump.

To Cathy: I have a Spartan, but I haven't done much of anything with it
yet.  Mine sews very nicely, though.  Also has a heavier "feel" than a FW,
so I wouldn't be afraid to try machine quilting on it, or haul it with me
on vacation (I may actually DO that next summer!).  Mine has no case, but
you can always double-up shopping bags or something in a pinch. 
Officially it's a 192 (or in my case, a 192K).
To all:  The 401 is up and running, but I have two problems.  #1) I can't
seem to get the bobbin case holder out.  Earlier on I was able to lift and
rotate the holder "up and to the right" per the book, but now I can't seem
to budge it.  #2) I think the tension mechanism is either missing the
little pin that pushes against the spring and loosens the plates when you
raise the presser foot, or the thing is hopelessly mis-aligned down there
in the slot where it lives.  Any suggestions??

Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:58:21 -0400
Subject: Post:  Necchi

Hope someone can help Selma, a friend of mine.  She came across a Necchi B U,
made in the 50's, she thinks, maybe the Nova Series.  Made in Italy.
 Straight stitch only, all metal, electric machine.  The woman who sold it to
her had never used it, so it is in NEW condition.  The woman wanted to keep
the desk-style cabinet, so my friend's DH made her a new table for it,
attaching a dropleaf to the back and left side for easier quilting.  She said
it sews like a dream.  PROBLEM is that the seller did not give her the
manual.  Does anyone have one they can copy or sell to her?  She would be
very grateful.  Please e-mail me and I will provide address.  Thanks!
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:26:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 201 Manual

Somewhere in my wanderings I came across an original 201 manual and possibly
even some bobbins for one, I'm not sure.  I would like to donate these to
someone that has a 201 - any takers?  All I want is postage.

Date: Mon,  2 Sep 1996 20:35:09, -0500
Subject: New FW's

Hello!  Someone recently asked how husbands can be made to 
participate in our quest for machines.  Mine just sort of does it, 
usually quite well.  However, I left town on Friday, with the dog and 
a fw, for our summer place, leaving him home because he had to work 
the weekend.  Saturday evening I get a phone call, saying he had 
found 2 fw's!  Now, I'm on an island, with a very erratic ferry 
system, so I knew I'd have to wait until Monday evening to see them.  
He paid more than I would have, but did ok.  The AJ, unfortunately 
has no bobbin case (gee, I thought I had dh trained better than that),
 so if anyone knows of a reasonably priced source for the cases, 
please let me know.  The machine is a 7, and just needs a good clean 
up.  The AM is a little beauty, hardly any wear, but a bit dirty too. 
 Neither of them have their manuals, or any attachments, except a 
buttonholer.  I do have some extra attachments, but if anyone has a 
source for original manuals, I'd appreciate the info.  I'd rate both 
of the cases as 6's, but they too need some tlc.   
For the person questioning dipping the machines, dh does put them in 
his solvent tank, which loosens all the nasty gunk, and then we go 
from there.  I can't remember just what is in that tank, but will ask 
him and report later.  It doesn't hurt the finish, decals, or 
anything.  And the machines he has done run excellently.  I got some 
Simichrome polish from the Vermont Country Store, it certainly does a 
nice job!  That's all for now, and if you see or know of a bobbin 
case, please let me know.    
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:05:27 -0800
Subject: Elna manuals

We are an Elna dealer and we can get the manuals.  I just got one for a 
lady last month but I can't remember the price.  Email me and I will look 
it up when I go to the shop tomorrow.

Subject: my 301 to be and a question
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 22:37:59 -0500

Hi, all;

Just recently I joined the small local quilting guild in my town. They had 
a class the other day which required us to bring our machines. It was the 
first time I'd ever taken my FW to class, and he looked great after the 
cleaning/waxing he finally got last week (a three-hour job, I might add!). 
Well, one of my friends and I were joking about who had the older machine. 
I got out my '55 and she brought out a grasscloth-and-leather suitcase.
 I only beat her by a couple of years but she pulled out the first 301(A) 
I'd ever seen-and this was one beautiful machine! It belonged to her mother 
who didn't sew very much. Holly said it had been sitting in an attic for a 
long time before she dragged it out to learn to sew.  It was a brown and 
cream machine without a single scratch or mar in the paint, and the case is 
at least a 9 as well. Holly said it was an okay machine, but she has been 
drooling over the new Berninas; so she thought she might trade it in.
Well, I don't know if it was my good looks, my charm, or  my coaxing 
(begging), but she promised to sell it to me before she took it to a dealer 
for trade-in. So I may be a 301 owner before too long.....;)

Does anyone know what a year a serial number beginning with "NE" might be?

Also, while garage-sailing today, I found a set of Greist attachments in 
the black metal box. They don't fit a low-shank Singer. They have a 
two-pronged horizontal flat piece at the top for attaching to the needle 
bar. Does anyone know what type of machine this might have been for? Are 
these called "top-clamping" attachments? They're all in very nice shape and 
for sale, too, if anyone is interested...

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 23:24:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: New Homes and Franklin

 Hi all! I am so happy! I got a Beautiful Franklin treadle today . It has a
winged beetle design. Does any one know how to date it? I would love to find
a manual! Also does anyone know how to date the New Home treadles and
Domestic treadles? I'm up to 47 machines now and I love them!!!!! Thanks!
Treadlin' Doreen
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Singer I.F. Oscillating Shuttle

Hey!  Barb .  I was looking through back issues to see if anyone
knew anything about a machine I picked up at a Peddlers Fair &Flea Market
yesterday and came across your posting for the I.F. Oscillating Shuttle.
This machine that I bought is in great shape and except for a missing plate
which covers the shuttle compartment, has cleaned up very nicely.  The
Egyptian scroll work is only worn slightly where someones industrious arm
laid while feeding cloth into the path of the needle.  It's a treadle and
comes with lots of gadgets and screws which I knew very little about until I
read your post....now I know barely more than nothing about them so would
appreciate it if I could take you up on your offer to photocopy the manual
for me and send it.  Perhaps I will be able to thread this beauty and locate
a plate for it and I think'll I'll be ready to quilt something.  Can't wait.
The serial # is l5129 542.  It's Labor Day so Singer is closed but plan to
call them tomorrow a.m. for actual date of production.  I think it's close
to the date on yours.  I don't know the value of this machine but got it for
$75 and couldn't pass it up.  We couldn't figure out what kind of wood the
coffin lid and stand were made of until reading your post also.  I
definitely vote for walnut.  If anyone else knows about this machine, I'd
love more information on it.  Now,  if I could only find that illusive FW.  

Oh, also saw a gorgeous toy machine, a singer Sew Handy.  A black beauty it
was in it's original case and didn't look like it was used by any little
girl very much.  It looked so new I had to really examine it.  It was $250.
Didn't buy it but sure wanted to.  Just didn't know if the price was
outrageous....everything, with exception of the machine I picked up, seemed
to be pretty pricey.

Well, I've got to go polish my new treadle now.  Thanks.

Holy Toledo...almost forgot.  I probably should mention that I have just
started up a couple of new bulletin boards you all might be interested in.
One is for quilters and the other is for sewers in general.  The websites are:


If you go to one of these sites, and click on Arts &Crafts Central, you'll
see a subscription form to complete in order to receive a new newsletter I'm
publishing for crafts/sewing/quilting and it's free.  I will email it to
subscribers bimonthly.  The upcoming issue has great ideas on everything
from Halloween Costumes to making all kinds of pumpkins.  

OKay!  I really am through this time. :-)

Sherry M
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:47:50 +0100
Subject: Frister &Rossman needle dilemma

>HI there,
>I have a fully working Frister and Rossmann sewing machine that is about 100
>years old.
>Does anybody know where I can obtain needles and bobbins for it.


Snap!  I found bobbins at The Sewing Machine Company, Top Row, Kirkgate
Market, Leeds for 65p.  Needles are more of a problem.  _Apparently_ we
need a variety called '13 cross 1' which are discontinued and I haven't
tracked any down (yet) in the Leeds area.  However, I have been told
that indusrial 339's will fit.  These I have found, but you have to buy
a box of 100 at 34 quid.  (I only paid 10 quid for the machine)  

So (or is it sew?) how many people want to split a box with me and
Shaun?  The rightful owner of our machine is my 5yo, Pete, who is just
itching to start sewing.  I've got everything oiled up and working, just
need the needles....  
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 05:51:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Singer walking foot

I found something that was quite interesting yesterday. I already had a copy
of the Singer Sewing Skills Reference Book that I had gotten with my 206
machine, but yesterday I found another copy at a yard sale for $.25. The
first was dated 1954, the second 1955. In the first, the zigzag attachment
was the early version, with only different zigzag widths, the second had the
later model with cams for different zigzag stitches. The thing that I found
especially interesting was that in the 1955 edition, there was quite a
lengthy section on the Singer Walking Foot - something I'd never seen or
heard of. I can't quite see what it's like from the drawings, but it's not
like the ones we have today - seems much simpler - but it sounds like it was
intended to perform the same functions. Now there's something I'd REALLY
like to own! Does anyone have one or has anyone seen one of these? Aren't
these old machines just fascinating?? Sue M.
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:49:55 -0400
Subject: New Featherweight

Hello all you Featherweight fans. Yesterday must have been a lucky day for me. 
Some wonderful garage sales.. no sewing machines but then we hit 
our favorite auction in Goshen In. It took all day and a little determination 
but for a lot more than garage sale price I became the proud 
owner of an AD998072 serial # featherweight which dates 1934. There were many 
other interested buyers but one particular gentleman came up to 
and said that the $210 price was a good one since most of the featherweights 
he's seen there have gone for $300 and better. He also said that 
something kept him from bidding it up and was I glad. He buys and then sells 
them at his sister shop in Kolona Ia for $500-$600. I asked him if 
he knew that the older models (if in good shape) are worth more to some 
collectors, he said that he didn't knowthere was a difference. Since he 
was nice enough not to bid the machine up I explained to him the difference in 
the side plate and the tension disc and also pointed out that 
the serial # on the underside is the best way to date the machine. The machine 
I bought looks a little rough but I'm trusting my miracle 
husband Bill to give it the TLC it needs then we'll decide how to rate it. the 
case is in good shape, the handle is little frayed but i've seen 
worse. Well it wasn't a $25 bargain but it will certainly be a wonderful 
addition to my collection. Nancy
Date: 03 Sep 96 11:19:08 EDT
Subject: post

Hi All...

For  Laura  w/  frozen  301.  Try removing the bobbin case and the bobbin case 
holder  a'  la  Featherweight...  Remove  the tiny screw that holds the GIB in 
place  and swing it out of the way and remove the bobbin case holder. Look for 

For  Margo:  A  15-88  has  a  spoked hand wheel, the 15-91 has a solid one. I 
don't  remember  for  sure,  but I don't think the 15-88 comes with a light... 
And  I'll try to get a hold of the gal I sold the toy to and get a copy of the 
manual for you...

For Leslie... Your brown legged FW table sounds just like mine!

For  Susan...  Andy Fields makes repro FW boxes and tables. His workmanship is 
superb,  and  he'll  gladly  refund  your  money (less shipping) if you're not 
completely  satisfied  (but  you  will  be!).  Be prepared for a three or four 
month wait. His phone # is 913-566-3788. Cases are $60 and tables run $200.

For  Libby...  A good, original FW table can be worth more than the FW you put 
in  it!  Use steel wool to remove the rust. Remove the wood table top from the 
frame.  Disassemble  the frame and the tray frame and rub down with steel wool 
and  paint  thinner.  Repaint  with  a  good  quality  enamel (or lacquer). Be 
patient  and  use  at  least two coats, rubbing with steel wool (#400) between 
coats.   Remove   any  lingering  shellac  from  wood  with  Minwax  Furniture 
Refinisher.  Stain if you wish or leave natural. Use a quality *clear* shellac 
to seal. Reassemble and enjoy!

For Sue - Great idea to move the sales stuff to a separate digest!

Bye  for  now!  ...Chris
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:14:57 -0700
Subject: 301 with frozen head

Dear Lee, re:frozen head:  I had a similar situation with a beautiful FW .
.the motor even ran, but the action was STUCK.  Much investigation proved
that it was not the usual threadlock.  Two of us gave up, took it to our
trusted FW expert, Jim Sorrell in Chico, Ca.  DX:Threadlock.  Wrong.  He
asked to keep it overnight and use PROLONG on it. It worked.Jim had
suspected that it had been stored so long that the oils, etc., had turned
to shellac. The Prolong was liberally sprayed on and allowed to penetrate
and was effective.  He suggested using the machine for 2-3 months and
reapplying Prolon.  Will do.  INFO:
Prolong SPL 100 Super Penetrating Lubricant . . "The ultimate in protection
&performance".Available through B&G Delivery System 1(800) 640-9209.
3315 Orange Grove Ave, N. Highlands Ca, 95660.     No, I do not have any
financial or other connection!  It just worked. Jim only knew that he got
his from an Infomercial, but I found it at this source.   Good luck!  Holly
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 13:24:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: 301's find

Hi everyone;   Haven't posted in a while. I been really lucky in the past
week.  On July 23 my DH and I went to a sewing machine shop to pick up a
foot for my 301, while we were there I spotted a case for a 301 and ask the
salesman if it was for sale, he said he would take $10 for the case.  I
bought it real quick before he could change his mind.  My 301 case already
has a case.  I told my DH that you never know when you might find one.
Well, about 2 miles down the road at a Thift store in a glass case, sat a
coco tan 301A with a sewing basket next to it.  The 301 was marked $18.59.
I ask the lady how much for the basket, she said she had no ideal, my dear
DH said well I think you should throw it in with the machine, she said ok.
I think that the 301 was just sitting there waiting for me.  The following
Friday on July 30 we were on the way to order reading glasses for me when we
spotted a estate sale. We decide to turn and did we find a real treaure.
There was this cherry wood desk with six drawers, but it wasn't just a desk
it was a sewing cabinet with a two-tone 301a sitting in it for $160.00.
Well it just loves it new home.  The lady at the estate sale that they
didn't even know that it was sewing cabinet until someone came to look at
the desk did they find the machine in it.  When we were loading the cabinet
a man who used to sell Singers in the 50's said the cabinet sold for about
$500. without the machine.  The cabinet and machine are both about 9.  The
one I bought the week before is between 8 and 9. Now I own a black 301, coco
301a and a two tone 301a. Well, I have taken enough of your time.   Sheila
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:31:31 +0000
Subject: Cybthia's bobbin trouble

Dear Cynthia,
I once had a FW going "clank-clank".  It was a cracked bobbin case.  
I couldn't see the crack, but the dealer replaced it and it ran fine. 
 May not be your problem, but worth checking.
Happy sewing,
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 15:47:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/31/96

Hi everyone,
    DH and I took five days for an Oregon Adventure this month.  We explored
the southeast corner of the state, which is mostly sagebrush and cattle.  We
reached a remote little town on the Idaho border, called Jordan Valley, and I
had to check out an antiques and trading-post place.  
    I found an old treadle machine with a manual and attachments.  It said
"The Singer Manufacturing Company" across the horizontal arm.  It used a long
bobbin and the bobbin winder was low.  On the bed was a gold bird...a
    I am confused because the manual said it was a 27.  I don't recall
hearing about this model before.  Was it perhaps a 127?  The manual had been
folded and was torn in spots.  Maybe a number disappeared.
    The cabinet was not in bad shape, but was obviously old.  The mechanism
turned easily, but I didn't take the time to closely investigate the bobbin
area.  It was hard to open, so I didn't.
    The woman said it had belonged to her great-grandmother.  She was
asking $95.
    Three questions:  Was it a 27?  When was it made?  Is $95 a reasonable

Thanks,  Sharon
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:07:18 -0400
Subject: How to Find Your Treadle Machine

     Last spring I was in an antiques store in Chadds Ford, PA not far from
where I live.  When I asked the person manning the shop if they had any items
pertaining to sewing or needlework she pulled out an old manual for a No. 27
Singer treadle machine.  Since it was dated 1899 I decided to buy it even
though I did not have a treadle much less a No. 27.  Now we fast forward to
late August on a thursday when my neighbor calls me up and reminds me of a
weekly auction in Royersford that evening.  We went and on the auction floor
was two treadle machines, a 66 and a 27.  After a two hour wait the 27
finally came up for sale.  With spirited bidding between me and one other
lady I got the 27 for the grand sum of $50.00.  She ended up with the 66 for
an unopposed bid of $20.00.
     It had been so humid that I hadn't been able to get the drawers open on
the cabinet but after getting it home in the airconditioning I was finally
able to.  Boy, did I luck out.  Besides some wooden spools of thread there
were three shuttle cases, nine shuttle bobbins, two sets of low shank
attachments, one set of greist attachments in a black tin box with purple
lining for a Franklin and a Franklin manual, and another strange attachment
which I will describe another time.  One of the shuttle cases differs from
the other two in that it has long slits on the sides.  It is still the same
length and diameter of the solid cases.
    The cabinet for the machine is in excellent shape with no veneer missing
and even the original key for the drawers is there.  Since the cabinet is in
such good condition I am not going to refinish it or the ironwork.  The
machine looks to be about a 6 with worn sphinx decals.  I have not started on
oiling it up yet but everything turns.
     In the manual mention is made of an instruction book for attachments.
 Does anyone have one of these for a 27 that they are willing to sell or copy
for a price?  The Franklin items are for a rotary No.23 and were distributed
by Sears.  If anyone is interested in the Franklin items please E-mail me at
SWhita6apa@aol.com.  Also if anyone wishes a photocopy of the No.27 manual
which also says in parenthesis vibrating shuttle No.2  send me an E-mail .

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:55:45 GMT
Subject: this n that

Hi everyone, 
             I crashed my PC on Friday and lost all my E-mail adresses and
any want lists you have provided me with. 
OK OK I have a back up tape now and WILL use it.Anyone with important info
they've sent me in the past, please mail me as I don't know where to begin
again.(I hate all the technical stuff I need to learn). 
To Larry in NM: 
                         Shipping on Thursday, lost your E-mail too.Please
write me. 
To Mary in NJ: 
                     My new quilting friend and SM collector is in Jackson
To all, 
                      Would someone please explain to me what a  
Elna Lotus looks like. 
Subject: 301s/301As

Rosemary said:

>   Has anyone else noticed the shiny 301A's and the matt finish on
>the 301? Or is this just because I only have 1 301 to compare to.

I have one 301A (two-tone) and one 301 (tan), alas still no black one.  I 
think we decided in previous dialog that the 301As were produced at the 
plant in Anderson, SC and that was really the only difference.  The 
length of the bed extension and color doesn't seem to be a factor in 
differences between the two and both mine have a shiny finish.

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:38:17 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/2/96

To Sue M.:  I read you FWF note about finding a Bell  Portable sewing
machine. . . I have one just like that! I don't think it is a salesman's
sample because the manual that came with it says  "You are now the possessor
of a truly modern sewing machine, as personal as your own vanity case. Now
you can realize the thrill of magic sewing at your leisure . . . anywhere."
 Mine has a tag that says it was inspected on 11-10-54 and is serial # 20019.
 It came in a small brown case, kind of like a brief case that opens to hold
the machine and accessories. The only thing  missing is the base plate to put
around the machine to make the case a table. I can hardly wait to take it to
a quilting workshop with those "big" featherweights! PS the foot pedal does
reach to the floor.
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:12:36 -0400
Subject: Viking/Husqvarna

I am posting for a friend who is looking for pre 1920 Viking/husqvarna sewing
machines.  If any of you have one for sale or know of one for sale, please
let me know.

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:22:35 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/2/96

Hi everyone,

     Just when I thought that I would never find any of those neat Exposition
items, I finally found a small souvenir bodkin marked Singer Souvenir Panama
Exposition l9l5.  It is amazing the amount of Singer marked items that seem
to be out there.  I even saw a Japanese folding fan marked Singer--part of
the fan was torn so I didn't buy it.
     It seems that I'm becoming more and more interested in old Elnas as are
several other Fanatics.  I bought an old Supermatic at a thrift store for
$20.  It's the pea green one and cosmetically isn't very attractive, but sews
well.  If anyone has any attachments or disks for this machine, I would be
interested.  I was lucky enough to get several Elna manuals from Bobbie so
now I can sew away. Is anyone familiar with the Elna Tx machine?  There is
one for sale for $700.  It sounds a little steep, but this is electronic, I
think.  I think I now spend more time searching for machines than I do
quilting-- DH just shakes his head.  Claire F
Date: 3 Sep 1996 17:05:50 +0000
Subject: Stuff

Hello Everyone:  hope a nice holiday was enjoyed by all....I assume the FWs 
not in US don't have this holiday, but maybe a sort of residual holiday 
effect comes your way...anyway...

I had tried to do a contribution and attach it and send it through AOL, but 
it didn't work...I'll figure it out later...meanwhile, I wanted to mention 
what some of my good things were that I recently acquired...

Singer Lights:

These are magazines strictly for the Singer personnel...does anyone out 
there have any of these?  I was lucky enough to purchase 18 of them, ranging 
from 1947 to 1958.  There is SOOOO  much stuff in these magazines of 
interest.   A vertible treasure trove of Singer stuff.....221's all through 
out, all sorts of trivia, like a picture of the naked 221 cases getting 
ready to become containers for the Beloved FeatherWeights...before their 
Leatherette covering is applied to them..they said they are pine "and other 
light woods. ......A picture of an Indian maiden in her teepee with her 
Singer...an eskimo woman with her baby in a papoose sack on her back sewing 
on a FW....a native on the plains of Nigeria surrounded by tribesmen 
watching him sew (no women in picture).  A woman with the Total Moslem black 
dress and only her eyes showing with her precious Singer....awesome...I will 
have to think on how to extropolate the information for the FWFs who would 
enjoy, profit, want to read these...scan/type/photocopy?  A lot of 
information is in these.  Now that I know they exist it will be fun looking 
for more...

Graham:  I have a picture of Princess(!) Elizabeth being presented with a 
201 as present from Singer in Cydeback (or however you spell it)...so we 
know for sure she has at least one!  Then there's a big article on her 
wedding dress and how it was made on the Singer (SM)...

Then there's stories of Singer Sales people all over the world with their 
shops and experience...in Africa, in Guam, everywhere.....Singer Jokes 
(really cute &corny), Singer Antecdotes like the winter of '89 (and they 
mean 1889...not sure if that's the exact year) but the story tells of 
devoted employees risking their lives and getting frozen in the snow to come 
to work at the Singer Factory in Elizabeth.... Singer Stuff...they are 
great...I would like to get "the whole collection" but that could be time 
consuming and expensive....these cost me $3 apiece.  Also, were two articles 
extroplated from Fortune Magazine (Jan &Feb 1958, I think) for $1 each.

All the pictures of the Big Executives...of course, they were all older 
white males...in the later editions, I think there are two women pictured at 
a meeting...they are teachers or secretaries...Then there was the....glass 
Singer oil bottle with the oil still in it for $14.  I didn't get the Singer 
Cuff Links or Tie Tack...I wanted them...lust practically dripped out of my 
pores...but I had over extended my funds as it was....sob, sob.....also 2 
manuals, one cut up but mostly intact for a 15K, I think...it was printed in 
GB and shows...a hand crank that can be electrified.  The machine looks like 
a 99 or 66, but with a crank...no date in booklet.  It's at home, or I would 
look at it to verify the number..but it's one I never heard of...it's not 
the regular 15.

I went to a Labor Day (annual event) Antique Outside /Inside sale in nearby 
Rutherford, NJ..(close to New York City) &went into a shop to escape the 
relentless heat &sunshine (not a red head thing, ugh) and lo! and Behold! 
 I found a very cute little Betsy Ross machine with the cute little fake 
alligator case (electric) in Very Good Condtion, machine being a 9 and 
9/10's (like the Amish...only god is perfect) for........$15.00!  I couldn't 
believe it, but scooped it up and ran all the way with it....the 'book' says 
(and this is circa 1995 with the market heating up, I think, but I'm no 
expert with only a few toys) it's worth $75 to $100.  Also got a quilt for 
$25 which was terrriffic for the price and a US Marines cap for Veterans for 
DH which made him Very Happy......there was a vendor with a 99 (about 7 1/2) 
in a decent cabinent who told me shellacked the machines with shellac!!!! 
 He said "they loved them."  (Shudder, shudder, but...different strokes...) 
he wanted $150 for it untouched..

To the person who posted about the RubberMaid boxes that can accomodate an 
FW for$5.95 from a place called Big Lots....could you post the model number 
of this box?  That way I can let my fingers do the walking as I can call the 
different stores that might have them in stock instead of running all around 
looking.  These sound Great, by the way!

The DH:  it could be so many things...dear heart is my favorite, and of 
course, that could apply to others rather than just spouse...one could say 
my DH SO, and so on....dumb hick...darling husband, dark hirusite...I just 
believe the context of what we are reading/or writing determines pretty much 
what it means....my DH is Herbert...so that gives me a lot of room to play 
with this...dearest herbie-kins, and so on, ad naseum.  I like the idea of 
the letters, it's just that I've been typing since the dark ages and it's 
harder for me to remember the meaning than to just say what I mean....but, 
different strokes for different folks.

To the person who asked about Asking Sam:  I perused the Net for awhile a 
couple of months ago when it was first mentioned.  As I recall, it was a bit 
too pricey for me now...I like the functionality of it, but the price threw 
me off...

About the Rocketeer:  The one I was lucky enough to purchase for $20 is an 
exceptional machine.  I know by now that all machines are not created equal, 
even the same models have plums and then...I don't know what to call the 
others...squashes?  Or something like that...my 400 series of machines are 
fine...but the 500 Rocketeer is a  Rolls Royce...no question...

To Mary D, re:  rocketeer:  I saw one for sale in a shoe repair shop for 
$289.95, plus 6% sales tax...it looked like about  a 5 or 6, don't know how 
it sewed, but most people really brag about these and with justification.  I 
shudder when I think of how many I probably passed up without even petting 
them because I (used) to think they were SOOOO ugly...how we change...the 
beauty of functionality often changes the perception of beauty, at least to 
me....I know when I was in high school and had to sew some rather strange 
clothing, made out of woolen black gabardine and yards and yards of it (to 
wear personally), I wasn't happy when I wasn't lucky enough to be able to 
use one of the "newer" (then circa 1960-61 machines) and had to use a Ugly 
Ol' Black Singer treadle!!!!!  I thought they were the pits, then...and now, 
I've come full circle to loving them...

To Bob C :

I am so JEALOUS!  When I get reincarnated, I will not have a job and will do 
what I want always just to please myself, then I can go to ISMAC meetings 
and etc...sob, sob, sob...

Seriously, it sounds like a Good Time Was Had By All....way to go, Bob...

To Suzie:

I looked in my Blue book for your Bernina and it was impossible to tell 
without the Model name..there are a "few" of them....and the range is 
wide...witha  machine that Bob has worked on and had "Feather" ready, it 
seems a fair price to me.  Good luck and keep me posted...

And Lastly to Heidi:

Your posting was wonderful...it's part of my fix that I look forward to 
everyday...thank you for your contribution; keep it up.  As you can see from 
this posting, I did run off a bit at the mouth, but I haven't posted for 
awhile and it's fun to get, but you gotta give too, to keep the wealth 
coming, I feel.  It's people like us sharing and Graham and Sue and Bobbie 
gluing it all together that make this Digest a Real Happening,  *:} 
hope that's right...

Love to all Feathers &FeatherLovers...Mary 
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 03:02:52 -0400
Subject: Our last machine (again)

Seems like fate has got us. A couple of weeks ago, I ran across a very
nice Centennial 15-91 a crowded little used furniture/junk/etc shop. He
was in a cool cabinet that's made to resemble a treadle type. Passed on
it since we really don't have room for another cabinet machine. 

Then I posted about it here and a couple of folks said to go for it,
especially for the price of $45. Then, over the weekend, we ran across
an original 15-91 (copyright 1951) manual and attachment box at an
antique store on the other side of the state.

So, we figured it must be destined for us to own that machine. Went down
today and he was still there (waiting for us?), and took him home.

Avery's a clean, well-used machine in a slightly worn cabinet. The gold
is almost perfect despite a barely noticeable "crackling" in the paint
on the bed and a few nicks and chips here and there. I say well-used
because the plating and the copper under it are worn through on the
bottom of the presser foot. After a little cleaning, polishing, oiling
and greasing, he runs like new. (Now we just have to find a new home for
our bentwood rocker, and a place in another room for the quilt rack, and
we're all set. )

Clay (&Shelly, who's out cold about now)
Date: Wed,  4 Sep 1996 06:37:35, -0500
Subject: Wheeler &Wilson

Can anyone give me any information on the Wheeler &Wilson No. 9 Serial
#23099909?  My DH and I bought it at an antique mall.  The cabinet is 4
drawers and the drawers have a handle that is set on an angle. The cabinet
is in beautiful condition and the machine is about a 6 or 7.  I also picked
up our 4th FW.  An AM model and it looks as if it hardly has been used.
The price with the discount $242.  Not the $25 one I hope to find at a yard
sale but good no less in today's market.  We keep saying we have to stop
but now have a total of 23 SM's not counting my 3 new ones and fast running
out of room to live!  Sandie 
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 06:59:33 -0700
Subject: Canadian   FW

My friend and I found a 221J light beige FW at an estate sale in FL.  
Condition is a 9+.  It has a two-tone beige and brown case, attachments, 
ruffler, oil, and a 221KA manual--printed in Great Britain.  The machine, 
however, says Made in Canada (serial number JE150311).  Have tried 
calling the Singer 800 number about it--they had no info at all on it.

Can anyone tell me about Canadian made Singer?  Anything at all about the 
machine?  My other friend has the greenish white one made in Great 
Britian, but we had not heard of one made in Canada.  Also, where do you 
all find info on all the antique machines--is there a reference book 
available somewhere?  Your answers are so interesting!  Thanks for any 
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 23:19:39 -0400
Subject: WANTED

This is all new to me since I don't even own a FW but I have been following
this groups info for a while and now am asking for some help. I stopped
today to pick up my sewing machine from the local repair shop and was
talking to the owner about FW's. It seems that he has acquired one with the
following # AG855948 and it looked in good shape to me and had the original
case and some attachments but no tray in the case. Here is the problem. He
can't sell the machine because it is missing a screw and he can't find a
replacement. He thinks the part # is 200614. If you look in NSJ's book on
page 55 it is the screw to the left of the B arrow. Does anyone know where I
might be able to find one of these and is looking for one a reasonable idea?
My other question is how should I bargain this into the price? He says he
would probably sell one in mint condition for around $400. Is this
reasonable? I'd appreciate any advice or suggestions.
Date: 4 Sep 1996 08:08:31 U
Subject: Tension knob on FW

Dear FWF's,
    I have a white FW that's just a beauty. The only problem or concern I have
with it is that I have to turn the tension knob down very low in order to get
a proper stitch, down to 1 or 2. I don't think this is right, is it? Should I
try to take it apart? If anyone could give me some insight into this, I would
really appreaciate it. You can either post your responses on the FWF's or just
e-mail me          Thanks in advance,
PS: I just love FWF's (Thanks Sue)!!!
Date: 4 Sep 1996 12:10:52 +0000
Subject: Threads Magazine

Hi All: got my beloved Threads magazine last night.  had a great article on 
Preserving The Past.  The woman who wrote the article is a Perfect FWF...I 
sent a note about the article. If you haven't read it, you should.  One of 
her sentences: "I limited my collection to Singer machines from 1900 to 
1960, and my garage filled up with various models:  the 101, 201, 301, 401A, 
500, 15-91 and others....."

Now, does this have a familiar ring?  If there is anyone who can't get the 
Threads and is interested, I could try scanning it...I'm not an expert, but 
I think I can do it...toodles...ps:  she ends the article saying:  "pass the 
oil and motor lubricant."
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:46:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 201 Manual

Yesterday I made the rather foolish offer to give away a 201 manual.  Since
then I have learned how many people read this list!  (If you ever want to
feel loved, offer to give away a Singer manual.  Everytime you check your
mail, you will have a new note.)

The original has been given away, but not until after I have made 17 copies
of it.  If anyone else wants a copy, please send me a note with your snail
mail address.  I'll try to get these done as soon as possible.  

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:00:33 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/11/96

Hi all,
I've been lurking in the background for a while and I finally decided to ask
a question.
Do the featherweights have a model number? If so what is it?  Thanks for the
help in advance.

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:27:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sincere's book

I've been reading my Sincere copy lately and came up with some interesting
info that I thought those of you waiting for Bobbie's books might enjoy
reading. He says: "The portable of that era (1920's) was only a
name...generally a heavy machine head, made for treadle operation, and
quickly converted for electical operation, when electic machines started
selling. The machines, especially long shuttle models, had a tendency to
walk when used at high speed." But then I guess many of us have already
discovered that for ourselves - portable in comparison to WHAT??? Later in
speaking of the White machines of that time, he says: "The machine head was
painted a crinkle-green to reduce glare...Low-price machines were painted
with enamel, but the better machines featured the new crinkle paint." Thus a
little more info on our "beloved"(??)godzilla finish - MORE expensive?? Also
with regard to the various models of the time period: "The Singer 201 was
the top of the line...the featherweight was the top specialty seller...the
middle of the line machine was 66-14...the 15-88 to 15-91 series was
probably the best sewing machine value on the market during the 1930's."
From this I had earlier assumed that the model 15s were the bottom of the
line, but that may not be true - the blue book seems to indicate that all
these machines were fairly close in price at that time (1930's to 50's).
Just more Singer facts in case anyone else is interested - I just find it
all so fascinating and hope some of you do too. If any of this info is not
accurate, please let me know. Sue M.
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:02:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/1/96

	The attachment that creates the holes for attaching lacings is 
called a Hemstitcher and Picoter. If you purchase one of these old 
attachments for a Singer, be sure that a feed cover plate is included for 
your machine, as they were available for different models, and the fabric 
can't be pierced correctly without this.

	The four different variations of the FW cardtable that I am aware 
of are 1)wooden top, wooden sides, wooden legs 2) wooden top, wooden 
sides, metal legs 3) wooden top, metal sides, metal legs 4) extension 
piece with only two legs that attaches to cardtable to double the surface 
area. And of course, there is the FW cabinet too.

If anyone is interested, I saw a FW at Webb's Antique Mall in 
Centerville, Indiana, that had with it an original Featherweight service 
manual from the thirties. They wouldn't sell it separately, so I had to 
pass it up.
The price was $425 less 10% cash and it was in booth 108. If anyone does 
purchase this I would be glad to pay for a copy of the service manual!

Happy Featherweighting,
Subject: RE: 500
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:32:09 -0600


Thanks to all of you who sent me their thoughts on the 500 here and 
privately.  Most of you thought that $75.00 was a good deal, a couple 
thought it wasn't.  In any case, I missed the machine, but I sure did learn 
a lot about both the 500 and the 401a, so if I should get lucky and run 
into another I will know what a fair price is.  This is really a wonderful 
resource for info on machines you don't know anything about.  I started off 
interested in FW's, then got interested in 301's, moved on to anything 
Singer that was pre zig zag, and now I'm getting fanatical about 
Rocketeers.  Where will this end?

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:53:46 GMT
Subject: Elnas

Hi all, 
      Well my 2 Elnas came today and I had lots of fun oiling and giving
them the once over.Then when I tried them out I was pleasantly suprised
with how they both worked.They look just like twins, big and green w/knee
levers.The Transforma lever is attached right to the bed of the machine,
while the Supermatics is removeable.I do like that they are freearms and
when needed the cases transform into a flatbed. 
      When in the case they are really very compact compared to the other
portables of their time.I believe these both are from the 50s.Not nearly as
heavy as full sized singers in their cases are, these make a great
portable.I'm happy I gave them a chance and a big thanks to Bobbie for
telling me about them. 
       Thanks also to those of you who are still writing me with info on
them as its a big help in recognizing the other models.I won't pass these
up if I should find some more. 
Would anyone have extra cams they don't need?Be happy to pick up a few more
of them. 
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 19:10:04 -0700
Subject: Machine info wanted

Okay, guys, I've been lurking around reading the posts for a couple of weeks
now and I'm more confused than ever.  Once the weather in Phoenix cools
down, I want to start making the rounds of estate sales and junk stores, so
I need help.  I grew up using a black portable singer which my mother bought
sometime between 1935 and 1938, as near as I can figure out.  She bought it
with insurance money from my cousin's death and that's how I'm figuring the
date.  It had all the gold fol de rol on it and came in a little black box.
It seems to me it weighed more than the 12 pounds I've been told a true
Featherweight is.  But I thought that's what it was.

Now when I go out, I want to find this same little machine.  I'll never get
my mom's, the sister who doesn't sew will get it, so I need to know what to
look for.  I never knew there were so many numbers, 15, 66, 99, 201, 301,
401, 221.  Did I miss any?  Help!  What's what?

Thank you from an ignorant lurker.

Susan N
Date: 04 Sep 96 23:34:28 EDT
Subject: WD-40

All the discussion of WD-40 has finally gotten me to unlurk and post a message.
A friend of my parents was the inventor of WD-40, and needless to say, I am 
of the stuff (as a kid we got gallon jugs of it everytime we saw him!).

According to the stories Sam (the inventor) told us, WD-40 stands for Water
Displacement-40. It took 40 formulas to get it right. So I guess we're lucky or
it could have been called WD-207 or something. The product was originally
developed to remove (displace) water from electrical components on fishing
boats, but as we all know, it now has thousands of other uses. It was never
developed as long term lubricant, as many people have already pointed out.

The last I heard, WD-40 was still a family run business (still in San Diego,
site of the original fishing fleet that started it all).

They periodically hold contests to find new and innovative uses for WD-40. My
favorites include removing price stickers from glassware and picture frames, 
for cleaning black heel marks off floors.

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:16:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: serial # for 301

 Laurie E asked about a serial # on her 301-to-be. A singer serial number 
begining with "NE" is 1952.

SHaron  (hi neighbor!) the singer 27 was produced from 1899 to 1913, 
then the 127 was introduced.

what's the excitement about 301's? i have a few in my shop that i bought for $5 
apiece last year, in the cases. haven't had time to get to them yet.
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:04:08 -0400

Sherry Mc :  I would be glad to send you a copy of the IF Oscillating
Shuttle manual.  Just email me your address.   BTW, where is this Peddlers
Fair &Flea Market? 

Anthea:  Forgive me for having to ask this, but how much is a pence and how
much is a quid?  I might be interested in some needles for the Frister &
Rossman, and so might my friend, Pat.  Terri might also...  But how much they
would be at "100 for 34 quid" eludes me....  And how much might shipping the
little darlings be?
  Thank, Barb
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 07:45:35 -0600
Subject: FW Bobbin Problems Solved!

Hi, all! 

I've been lurking for a while, just enjoying all the information from this
group.  My AD FW (which sews like a dream) suddenly wouldn't wind a
bobbin.  Thanks to the tip from the person who discovered the new
bobbin was a hair too large, I went home and tried one of the old ones
instead of the new ones I just bought.  BINGO!  Nothing wrong with the
FW at all.  I'm sure you all know how relieved I was.  Thanks for the tip!

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 11:47 CDT

I'm really excited about the Elna Supermatic I bought at a garage sale a few
weeks ago. It sews beautifully except that the needle will not move on it's
own to do the zig zagging or other stitches that are made when I insert the
"disk".  I've had this problem with an old New Home I bought and gave to my
niece.  How do you get the needle to move freely the way it should?

P.S. I love this group.

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 14:00:16 -0500
Subject: Hemstitcher, Zigzagger


You mentioned that the hemstitcher and picoter was available for different 
models.  Was there one that would work with the Featherweight?  Is there a 
part number for this gadget?  Also, I have the 222.  If I dropped the feed 
dogs, would that suffice, or does the thing need to have the special 
throatplate to work?


Is there a zigzagger that works with the Featherweight?  If so, is there a 
part number?

Do you think HRH Elizabeth ran up a few items for her honeymoon wardrobe on 
that 201?  I saw a special exhibit on the 40 years of Her Majesty's reign at 
the Victoria and Albert a couple of years ago--including the coronation 
gown--and the gown doesn't look like a do-it-yourselfer.

Those Reporting on Graham and Maggie,

These posts are reminding me of the Elvis sightings!  I love it!  Please do 
keep us posted on the whereabouts and doings of these two.


Yes, I'd like to see more on Isaac Singer's life.  Sounds like tabloid stuff!

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:18:57 -0400
Subject: This and that

Hi Folks,

Well, I got to see and keep overnight that old fiddlebed treadle Cheryl 
Hall mentioned last week. Turns out it is an Improved Family Machine 
made May 8,1888. My Singer hero picked it up today. He said he already 
has one like it and agreed that it was in tough shape but said he could 
probably use it for parts. I told him I would keep and restore it if I 
had the time/space/parts/money since I had never seen one like it. He 
said he had half a mind to take it home and restore it just to show me 
it could be done and I believe he will. I took pictures of it before he 
got here so when my web page gets going and he gets done, I will have 
before and after photos. You know the round rear plate that removes for 
oiling? This machine has a whole section across the back of the head 
that removes, from the hand wheel to the needle end. Very cool. It 
really looks like a precursor to the 15s. It is so sad that it had not 
been loved these many years but rather stood rusting in a barn. 

I had a great opportunity to meet Cheryl B  yesterday. She 
came up with another Fanatic, Cheryl H. My kids have begun calling 
them Cheryl #1 and Cheryl #2 :). 

The Singer Light magazines sound fascinating! Wish I could find a boxful 
of those. I bought a stack of 25 old magazines recently looking for 
Singer ads and only found two, but they were good ones. 

My FW came back from the Singer hero's today and she looks great. I feel 
better now that he has given her his seal of approval. I've never had 
any of my other machines gone over but this one cost me and I wanted 
assurance that I did okay. 

Hey, Mary, how about sharing some of those corny Singer jokes with us? I 
saw a Betsy Ross recently too but it was rough and the asking price was 
$95. I walked away knowing I could find a good Singer for less. 

Marie asked about the model number for FeatherWeights. It is 221 or 222 
if you are lucky enough to find a free arm version. 

Re: Elnas. Are you all trying to tell me I should have bought the little 
green one I saw a while back for $35? Dont' get me started on something 
else here...

Have a great day to all, Katy in Michigan

Vicki: I wouldn't worry about the low tension setting as long as the 
machine is sewing well. The tension settings on all my machines are 
different, even on different machines of the same model. Some seem low 
and others high, still others are in the middle.
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:17:47 -0400
Subject: Miscellaneous


    Today was my day--I went to an auction that had advertised bikes (80 of
them), sewing machines, cameras, blacksmith equipment, etc....And I came home
with an Elna Supermatic and a two tone 301a for a total of $30.   Turns out
that the man whose stuff it was did general repairs and particularly liked
bikes and sewing machines.   I saw all kinds of sewing machines--old Viking
Husquavarna, Brother, Singers, Necchi, and Pfaff.  I had to pass on some
things because of space and money--they had an industrial Singer 201 that was
in really nice shape with a big worktable--the only real difference I could
see between the home 201 and the industrial was that the presser foot was
attached to a knee bar and there weren't any decorations on it.  Another 201
in a case went for $2.50 but it had a note on it that the armature needed
replacing--one of the "old Singer men" I have met was there and he advised me
not to mess with it because the motor would need replacing.  Also had a 404
head (no power cord or foot control, no attachments) but it was after the
guns and car and I just couldn't justify waiting through all that.. 

But anyways, I got a 301a in a case with buttonholer, zigzagger and 3 boxes
of extra cam things, complete set of attachments (including 10 bobbins),
darning attachment, manual, for $20--there was a note in the case that it had
been left in 1958 because of trouble with the buttonholer--I don't know why
the man still had the machine but it works well although needs a complete

I have been looking at an Elna Supermatic at a dealers for the last week and
couldn't make up my mind to spend the $70 he wanted.  I got one at this
auction for $10 but it too needs a real good cleaning.  It came with 20 cams,
bobbin, case, but no manual.  I did get an Elna Owners Workbook which is in a
3 ring binder with samples of cloth and different stitches.  It appears to
explain how to use each stitch in great detail but doesn't have basic
information (like threading, oiling, etc. )  If anyone is interested, I will
trade a photocopy of this workbook for a photocopy of a manual for a

Two good finds in one day make the three hour wait in a hot (for Wisconsin)
day worth it though--

To Clay and Shelly--monogrammer is in the mail

To Joy and Cheryl--thanks for your input on the Supermatic

Happy hunting--
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:06:00 -0400
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Still catching up of FWF's which I missed while trekking to Miami, etc. 

I just read the L. Fisher 301 story (Big Bertha golf clubs). Reminds me of
last week when I came back from a day of antiquing and announced to friends
at happy hour that I bought 2 sewing machines.  My dh pretended to have a
fit and all our friends in unison announced that he had just bought 2 new
fishing reels.  No sympathy for him in that group!

Thanks to all who emailed asking about how we survived Hurricane Edouard.
We did all the usual precautionary things here at the house at Cape Cod and
were very fortunate that Ed shifted East and missed up.  We did have a day
and a half of rain and wind, but all the weak trees had fallen in Hurricane
Bob a few years back so damage was minimal.  We never lost power (tho I had
my hand crank ready to roll) just intermittent flickerings of power loss.

We have a 33' sport fishing boat which we keep here at the Cape (dh runs
charter fishing trips) and that required dismantling the 'dog house' to help
it safely ride out the storm.  It is tied up at a dock and a big threat is
when the water gets higher than the bulkhead.  Most of the Captains
'babysit' the boats so they can retie lines, etc.  I keep away from it
during these times, but it sure sounds like an excuse for a hurricane party
to me!

Glad that Fran is not headed directly for us, but those who will be are in
our thoughts and prayers.  Seems there should be a red button that the Pres
could press to send it back into the ocean...

I started a quilt the other day for my niece's shower on 9/15.  I know that
I will not have it done, but hope to complete the top (queen or king, I have
enough fabric..)  I saw a quilt in a mag and decided to create one based on
it. Purple, black and offwhite/with gold swirls.  It will have an Amish
look, tho it is not an Amish design. Squares, triangles and pinwheels make
up the design. It seems so strange to be quilting again, as the summer
passed and very little got accomplished.

While at the fabric shop yesterday my friend Kathy (college roommate) who is
visiting decided to do a small Christmas wall hanging. A cheater cloth which
requires only hand quilting, no piecing.  Her first quilt project, so maybe
she will be hooked by this bug....

Regards, Millie
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:59:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Notes

To Laurie:  Yes, those are the "top clamping" attachments.  There are
three different types.  If you will e-mail me your snail mail address,
I'll send you a photocopy of the bottom of a buttonholer attachment which
shows the three types (among others).  Were there any bobbins in the
attachment box??  Sometimes you can determine the type of machine by the
bobbins that are hanging around with your ruffler, etc.

To Nancy :  The very nice man who did not bid up the price of
the machine is right: $210 is a good price.  $25 would be right up there
at "phenominal", but you did ok!

To Sharon:  The main difference between a Model 27 and a Model 127 is (I
think) the placement of the bobbin winder.  Model 27 has its winder 
mounted low near the machine bed, and the Model 127 has its winder high up
near the balance wheel.  Also, it may take a slightly different shuttle
than the Model 127.  The key to finding the age of this particular machine
will be the serial number.  The $95 asking price is ok IF the machine
comes with a shuttle.  Get the seller to open the slide plates and make
sure the thing is in there.  The machine cannot sew without a shuttle to
carry the long bobbin.  Try offering $75, cash (It has been suggested that
dealers have a tendency to weaken a little in the presence of actual money
offered under their noses.  I suggest getting seven $10 bills and one
$5 and fanning them out so it look like a small fortune).

To Mary:  You, on the other hand, did make it to "phenominal".  The Betsy
Ross I saw at the last antique market I visited was priced at $225.

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:28:47 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Request for Hand Crank Sewing Machine

Hello All:

I have a request.  I was recently browsing TIMS Classified Ads via Sewing
Equipment Warehouse (if your interested , see
http://www.unicate.com/sew.sew.html) when I came across the following ad:

"Northwood Public School
A small rural school district is looking for a child's hand crank sewing
machine to be used by a special needs student with limited mobility.  The
machine we are currently borrowing must be returned to the owner so we need
to buy one before next year.  Contact:  Jan Gunderson, Northwood Public
School,  204 S. Doheny, Northwood, ND 58267, 1-701-587-5221 or

Since the above posting was dated last April, I inquired of Ms. Gunderson
whether there was still a need.  She replied (9/3/96):

"If you can help me find any kind of hand crank sewing machine I would be
forever grateful.  What I need is something for a student who is cerebal
palsied to operate during her home ec. class.  Last year we borrowed a 1940's
circa Singer child's machine, but the lender has moved away and we would love
to allow Wendy the opportunity of sewing with her classmates.  Thanks, Jan
Gunderson, Northwood Public School."

So, my request is that if you have a machine that you can part with and  that
fits Ms. Gunderson's needs, please contact her directly.  I do not know
anymore than I have posted (e.g., how much they are willing or able to pay).
Thanks for your help.  

Best Regards,
Larry M
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:55:46 -0400
Subject: Anyone heard of a 306?

Hi Folks,

My Singer guy says he found a 306 and wants to know if I am interested. Am I? 
Does anyone have one or can tell me what they are like? Do I need one for my 
collection? Will my life be complete without it? 

On another note, he called me this afternoon to say that the completely 
frozen Improved Family treadle is now turning freely and he has the parts 
needed and has decided to restore her. 

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 19:58:23 -0700
Subject: Reprint to FW Digest

Because I've had numerous requests for a replay on this 
posting, here it is again:


General attachments
Available for:

High Shank
       Narrow hemmer - slotted foot for sewing over cord - Straight sewing
foot for zig zag sewing - Buttonhole feet with adjustment guide for manual 
zig zag - shirring foot - button sew foot - shirring guide - rick- rack guide - 
double zipper foot - Cording feet to left needle position zig zag - hinged
 foot for zig zag - and cording foot for manual zig zag (3 needle position)

Low Shank

     Narrow hemmers - slotted cord foot, left needle zig zag - Straight sew 
feet for zig zag machine - grooved feet for braid or cord - hinged sewing foot
for zig zag machine - button sew foot - double zipper foot and hinged groove 
Straight sewing machine

        Attachment holder for hemmer series [for the feet that have the thin,
side mount] - hemmers of different widths [used with holder] - shirring foot - 
straight sew guide - double zipper foot - automatic darner.

These are listed in Sincere's Sewing Machine book.
Information about the Famous or Model C Buttonhole Attachment:
The Model C works on th same principle as the Greist, except each 
adjustment must be manually made.

The depth of stitch and cutting space setting are made by hand, and care must
be exercised to insure uniformity.

The Model C is also made for industrial use.  It's a special heavy duty model,
however the adjustments are made in the same manner.

To service this buttonholer, put a drop of oil in all oil holes.
Greist was the front runner in the attachment field, and most sewing machine 
distributors used Greist attachments.
Greist made a these models:
#1 (2301-ABR) low square bar center position
#2 (1701-AGR) Greist, White Rotary
#3 (190-1-AG) Greist, Free &New Home
#4 (2001-AG) Greist, National
#5 (2301-301A) Greist, Slant Needle
#6 (2301-AL93) Low left position
#7 (2301-HBAL45) High left position
#8 (2601-APF-60G) Greist, Pfaff (excluding Model #139 &239)
#9 (2401-AG) Greist, Necchi, low center position
#10 (2301-HBA) High Bar, center position (includes Pfaff Models #139 &239
A little more information:

The 66 class sewing machine is a top bobbin oscillator with horizontal shuttle.
        Singer mfg. the 66  series and when the patents expired several 
        Japanese mfgrs. produced the machine under a variety of names
        [i.e., Bel-Air 600, Sewmor 303, Morse, Brother and Universal, to 
         name a few]

Singer made a three-quarter version of the 66 class, known as the 99-13
or 99K, if mfg. in their England Plant.
The Singer 99 was primarily a portable, and never sold on a level with the 
66, due to its size.  It was used mainly for leader advertising and selling.

Basically, the Class 66 is smoother, easier running of the oscillator type.
In fact there were thousands of 66-1 machines in operation and many 
were mfg. before 1900.

Oscillating Hook Sewing Machine, Class 15

        Class 15 machines had a mechanism, no doubt the most popular 
ever mfg.  From the Singer 15-30 through the 15-91 series, to Japanese
HA-1 and contemporary models, both conventional and streamlined, the class
15 remained a popular item.

Early power machines for factory use were beefed-up versions of the 15-30,
and the old 31-51 was strong going in many areas.

Class 15 machines mfg. in Japan and marketed in the US include Atlas,
Brother, Brewer, Classic, Morse, Nelco, Kenmore, New Home, Domestic (new
series), Penncraft, Aldens, Speigel, Fleetwood, Imperial, Modern Home,
Premier, Remington, Riccar, Sewmor, Sincere, Signature (Wards), Western
Auto's wizard and White (since about 1953)

A class 15 mechanism can be identified by the shuttle-race assembly .

The Rotary:

        The rotary ...so called because the sewing hook makes a complete
revolution each time a stitch is formed.
There are many types of rotary mechanisms.  The White, most famous and 
certainly the finest example of a simple rotary mechanism, employees a 
slide block and bearing arrangement to drive the shuttle.

Singer Models 101, 201, later slant needle models, and the automatic models
use a gear driver rotary mechanism.

The rotary is generally a smoother operating machine, although a few later
day American made White owners may disagree.

The White Rotary was mfg. by the White Sewing Machine company of Cleveland,
Ohio. Their machines were always top quality and ranked behind Singer until
the early 1950's when imported machines began to dominate the market.

Other brand names made by white include Domestic, Franklin, Kenmore
[American made], the wilson, Mason, Majestic and Dressmaster.

Long Shuttle Machine

All lock stitch sewing machines operate in the same general manner.
There are three basic sewing mechanisms in the lock stitch category.
First and simplest, is the vibrator [long shuttle]
Second is the Oscillating Hook
Third is the rotary Shuttle.

I've posted this bit of information to help those who have the questions.
If it's something you're interested in, I've helped; if not, I've kept you busy 
reading for a couple of minutes.

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:40:06 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 8/28/96

I am looking for a model 66 in bad condition.  I have a lot of spare parts
for a model 66 and I would like to try and fix one up.  I think it would be
good practice for learning how to clean and fix old sewing machines.  If
anyone has a beat up 66 they would like to sell please e-mail  lilroo@aol.com

Thanks Marie 
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:23:08 -0400
Subject: Hi all!

Decided to go out to a few garage/estate sales this morning always looking
for that $10 FW bargain (SURE!).  Saw an old Kenmore in cabinet--not for me.
 But went to a sale that advertised fabric, and not only was the woman a
quilter but the owner of our local WONDERFUL quilt shop.  She was selling
fabric in boxes by the ounce.  I bought over 9 yards of scraps, some full
yards, for 75 cents!  And these are recent, gorgeous fabrics.  So, no
machines but I do feel lucky to have saved on another weakness of mine.  Mari
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:30:55 -0400
Subject: Griest Attchmts.

To Lydia Pratt, Bobby K. or anyone who might know:
I have two sets of Griest attachments for "top clamping" machines.  Neither
fit the Western Electric machine I'm trying to complete.  One is a green
cardboard box labeled rotary attachments.  The other is the black metal box
with purple fabric lining.  The attachments in the black box come closest,
however, the hole in the prong that attaches to the machine is not deep
enough.  The needle hits the attachment.  I was hoping someone might have the
right attachment set or know of the specific one I need.  Thanks very much!
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:56:19 -0700
Subject: 222K

        My mom saw your post on FWF and asked me to respond to you.
Evidently you and she have had some contact (Jeannette E).  Anyway, she called Singer and was told that your 222K (serial #
EJ26811) was manufactured on November 18, 1953.  She was also told that the
number of 222Ks manufactured during that period were:
        November, 1953  - Total of 5,000 manufactured
        July, 1953      - 100 machines manufactured
        September, 1953 - 150 machines manufactured
        March 1954      - 10,000 machines manufactured
Hope this helps.
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 20:49:27 -0700
Subject: elnas

Hi everyone,  I just wanted to post that I haven't forgotten about 
looking to see what cams etc are still available for the supermatics.  
The store has been hectic and Jim is up in Cape Cod doing tuna so I am 
short handed.  Monday is my day off and I promise to get on the phone and 
see what is going on and post to you Monday night.
  Millie, Jim says that every store he has been to has told him about 
this guy from Virginia wanting old machines.  So far he has had no luck 
finding my knee lever. :(

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:14:14 -0400
Subject: Singer hemstitch attachments

There have been a few inquiries about what the Singer hemstitch
attachments look like and how they do their thing.  The attachment
looks very much like what the Singer Zigzagger would look like if
you took off the cover.  Kind of like clockwork gears &ratchets.
But it has one difference:  There is a polished &sharp finger at
the front of the attachment that points down.  At some point in 
the gear cycle, it penetrates the fabric, making a round hole,
probably bigger than a wing needle would do.  There is also
a special plate, very specific to the model of the machine, that
covers the regular feed plate.  Underneath this plate is a tube
that is a guide for the needle, which affects the stitch formation
somehow (I don't know how, because I haven't tried out the 
hemstitcher).  The hemstitcher is like the zigzagger and the
old buttonhole makers in that the bottom of the hemstitcher
has those file-like rasps, which grip the fabric and move it

I never cease to wonder at how anybody could conceptualize such
a clever and complicated mechanical widget.  (But then, that's
why I am not a mechanical engineer).

Subject: Serial # is unusual
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:42:19 -0700

I just called Singer and talked with a very nice woman there,  but the
model # doesn't match with the machine.  I have two 99's, one is EF647351
with a bd of 1/5/50,  the other has a serial number of GO346439 which I was
told was a 66 , bd 1/16/11.  They are both 99's, one electric and the other
electric with a knee lever.  Do you suppose the company put the wrong
serial number on the machine?   They also said they have no ND's but my
301a has a serial number of ND037663. They told me that it was probably
AD037663 which they said was a 127
made in 3/18/30.  I'd really like to know the BD of the GO346439 -99. 
Could anyone give me any idea of it's correct BD?  TIA June
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 08:42:39 -0700
Subject: Great Week

Dear Group,
	Have I told you lately how much I love this list?  I've learned so much, 
and enjoyed the 
stories so very much!
	As Katy reported, we had a way cool mini Mich get together!  It was 
amazing how fast the 
day went.  Cheryl B and Katy know thier singers so very well!  I'm with Katy, 
we need a Michigan 
get together, hopefuly before the snow season!  I know we have other Michigan 
	Cheryl B and I found a couple of machines on the trip to Saginaw, An 
apparently very
rare singer 66 in a treadle cabinet.  It was priced at $180. and we have it on 
good authority that 
it is worth thousands in the home country of the seller! 
	I got up early 5 am on thursday, to go hunting with my friend Joyce, the 
antique dealer.
We were outside a promising sale at 8 am, a few items were outside, so we 
sneaked a peek to 
gauge the prices.  This was a Mistake.  Its an hour before the sale is supposed 
to start, and 
what do I see?   An oak sewing machine case.  To the great embarrisment of my 
friend, I walk to
the front door and ring the doorbell.
	Its answered by a harried looking woman, looking very irratated.  (she had 
every cause)
I said how much is your machine?  She said $$, Iquickly added 1/3 to the marked 
price, and said, " I'm so 
sorry, I know your not open, but I'm a member of a group of collectors, and I 
know  its a great imposition
 but  can you please take $$$  for your machine?  
	She gave me an extremely strange look, and said ok!  I quickly paid her 
and made 
for the truck with my unopened oak case.  When I loaded it and got in my friend 
said "did 
you look at it?".  I said , no, I know its a great machine.  She said How much.  
I told her.
She said "are you carzy?"  I said , "yes."  She said Cheryl, "your supposed to 
buy it for less,
and you don't even know what it is."   "I said I know, I'm a gambler." " 
Besides, she was pretty
unhappy about me being there an hour early and I was afarid she wouldnt sell it 
to me."
	I'm still ashamed of myself, but when I opened the case that evening I 
found my 
instint's were good.  Its a very old "New Home", and its the coolest.  Its got 
the thing 
that opens to oil the back of the machine, and an electric motor that folds in 
to allow the 
top of the case on.  Its pretty strange looking, and I'll have to ask Katy if 
its all there,
I think its converted from a treadle to electric.  It seems that it will run 
all the time if 
you plug it in, I'll have to ask Katy about it. Heres hoping it doesnt need a 
foot pedal or 
knee lever that I don't have!
	If theres anyone who is familiar withearly New Home  machines, any 
would be appreciated.  I know it looks neat, but thats the extent of my vast 
Thanks for listening, Cheryl H
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:49:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/5/96

    Dropping the feed dogs is not sufficient to get the picoter part of a 
hemstitcher and picot edger to work properly, as two different holes are 
needed in 
the plate. One for the needle and one for the pointed awl (piercer) that 
punctures the fabric.
    The throat plates that work with the hemstitcher/picoter are: 
class 15=121388, class 66 (except 66-1)=121389, class 99=121389, class 
101=121390, class 127/128=121391, class 201=121388 and class 221=121392.
This information is taken from a manual dated 1939, and it it possible 
that if there were changes made in the plate over the years that other 
part numbers may have been used also. Hope this helps.

To All:  I have stopped sending a confirmation when I receive a survey, 
as I am confident that all are being received. I will continue 
though, to send "birthdates"  of surveyed machines to people who don't know 
them as I learn them from Singer. If anyone is concerned about whether or 
not I have received a survey, please e-mail me directly. 

Happy Featherweighting,
Krisi S
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:17:07 -0700
Subject: Graham and Maggie

Sightings! As I Type this, Graham and Maggie are checking out the Big
Antique Show at the Tacoma Dome in Washington State. DH, a friend Betty,
and myself had dinner with them last night.I believe they will be at Kent
to present a slide show on Saturday, Orchas Island next, and then home. It
was a pleasure to meet someone that you see postings from on the FWF.What
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:24:37 -0400 (EDT)


I think there are two or three zig-zaggers that will work with the FW. 
The one I have doesn't require cams.  You set the stitch width by means of
a moveable screw-thing on the side of the attachment.  The part number for
this one is: 160620.

Giggle of the Week:  Does anyone know if Singer ever made a machine called
a 409??  I ask because while out running errands the other day I
discovered that DH had inadvertantly left the car radio tuned to "his"
oldies station.  As I was waiting for a light, I realized they were
playing a Beach Boys (PLEASE tell me most of you are old enough to know
who the Beach Boys are/were!!!) number called "409".  Has a chorus (which
is the majority of the song, in fact) that goes: "She's real fine, my
409.  She's real fine, my 409.  Giddy-up giddy-up giddy-up 409."  Now it
occurred to me that if you simply swapped in "Stitch-it-up, stitch-it-up
409" you wouldn't be far off how most of us feel about our machines. 
After all, most of our babies have gears, cams, and a clutch (wheel).  The
only part I can't quite translate over is the "posi-traction" bit.  Maybe it
will come to me in the middle of the night....

Can you tell it's been a long week???  

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:15:55 -0400
Subject: 15-98 and involving DH 

I haven't posted for awhile because DH has been finding sm's faster than I
can find places to store them!  Unfortunately, he hasn't found any FWs in
the last couple of weeks, but he has found some other interesting machines.

I've been reading the postings re: how to get DH more involved in sm
collecting. I have been very fortunate in that DH has taken to this
addiction of mine like a duck to water.  He has utilized all the skills it
took him years to acquire guitar collecting to develop a network of sm
contacts in a very short period of time.  And right now I can't get my car
in the garage because he is finding sm's faster than I know what to do with

The only problem with DH is that he doesn't know how to spell Singer.  He
thinks it is also spelled W-H-I-T-E or K-E-N-M-O-R-E!!  If I could only
convince him to just bring home Singers, preferably "portables", I'd be in

Actually he has found some very pretty old White machines which I don't
mind.  I just happen to hate the ugly brown Whites.  My mother had a 1947
White when I first learned to sew and I never did like it.  Unfortunately, I
can think of nothing nice to say about the Kenmore machines, but DH has
developed a fascination with a model that is shaped something like a bullet
and he's been so understanding about this addiction that I guess I have to
let him collect them.

One of the Singer machines he brought home recently was a 15-98.  I don't
remember seeing anything posted about this model since I've been receiving FWF.
I haven't had a chance to actually compare it to one of my other 15's, but
the goldwork seems a little different and it has a different type of stitch
length regulater.  According to the manual, the machine started its life as
a handcrank.  However, it has been converted to an electric, probably at a
Singer sm shop, because it has a Singer motor and footpedal.  At least I'm a
little closer to having a handcrank model for my collection.  Does anyone
know anything about the 15-98?  How many different variations of the 15 did
Singer make?    

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 04:10:48 GMT
Subject: No Subject

To Chris V. 
               Finally visited your website and its very nice!Hope the
storm didn't hurt you and yours. 
To Mary L. 
                 Hey Mary, been to the SM shop in Hazlet next to
Toys-R-US?Thought maybe you had.Guy mentioned internet and selling a couple
thru it.Made me think of you.Gonna go there in near future to check it out.

Have a good weekend , 
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 04:17:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sad story:(

Hi it's Tracy .
So many great machines have come my way this summer, and I was looking 
forward to using my FW table my neighbor said was mine in trade for 
replacement table, took my time finding just the right table, hit every 
garage sale this summer.
 Unfortunately I had taught him well, and he spotted an FW in his 
mother's house on his vacation there, and she promised to will it to 
his DD.  So no table for me, wish I hadn't waited so long, but he kept 
telling me with a laugh that it wasn't going anywhere, it was mine, 
trust him! Ha, I guess it really isn't going anywhere after all.  And 
of course his mother is in fine health and has many years yet in her, 
so the table will remain a catchall, computer,etc. table for many years 
to come. Felt like not speaking to him permanently, however, he got 
semi-back in my good graces this week, when our computer went crazy and 
he spent hours getting it back in working shape!  Guess I'll have to 
keep talking to him now, eh?:)

So I am now on a quest for a FW table to replace the one I lost, 
sniff:(  and if that fails then a reproduction one, if my bank account 
ever recovers.  However I have met so many nice people in my quests 
this summer for FWs, then 99s, then handcranks and treadles (got a 
beautiful Standard treadle in an oak drawing cabinet, condition 9, last 
week, and met another FWFanatic, HI Kathy, the same day, WOW), and then 
this week I received my black beauty 301 from Treadlin' Doreen, THANKS 
So I shall raise my head up, pick myself up off the floor, and go back 
out on the quest for that elusive FW table and meet a few more nice, 
interesting, and sometimes strange people!

Happy SM Hunting this week to all of you too!


PS anyone got a spare FW table they would like to go to a good home 
Date: 07 Sep 96 08:04:47 EDT
Subject: This and That

Hello all --

Good thing I'm not in the US -- I doubt that I'd be able to "control" myself 
after reading about everyone continual "finds".  What I also like to find at
antique shows are antique sewing tools -- but I've never really been able to
afford any, as they are very high. My mother once bought me a beautiful silver
thimble; when I got home, I examined the thimble and saw the name Julia
inscribed on it.  Amazing -- Julia is my daughter's name!

Re The Singer mags:  were they magazines put out periodically by Singer or were
they just articles?  It all sounded very interesting. I like the description of
the Muslim woman in veil and her Singer ... my Russian manual's back page has a
woman in full national dress and headdress sitting in front of her treadle.
There must have been someone in every county to adapt a portrait of a local
woman for their local brochures.

Got the Singer bio from Bette F and have just started it.  I'm still at
the part where he's about 19 and left home ... nothing unusal at this point
So far the writing has been more interesting about the times of fast-moving
America than about Singer's family -- because very little is known about them.

Where are we FWfanatics located around the world, BTW? It would be fun to see
how many countries are logging on here.
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 10:21:23 -0400
Subject: question

I have a small manual "A Manual of Family Sewing Machines" by Singer
@1929 (51 pages).  Does anyone know anything about it?  Also in the
manual is a picture of a Singer portable electric chain stitch machine
no. 24.  Can anyone tell me about this machine and what would be a
resonable price? 
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 09:21:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Buttonholer for FW? 

I know this is a dopey question but can you use a buttonholer with a 
straight stitch machine (I have a 301A and an FW) or must it be used with 
a zigzag machine??? 

I found a Singer buttonholer at the Goodwill, black with only 3 cams in a 
green plastic box, part #160506 for $8.99.  If it doesn't work, I can 
return it unless someone here on the list wants it...

At the very same time, I lucked out and got the zigzagger for the 301 and
221's in the green cardboard box with the 4 cams, manual all for $5.99.  I
know I probably just answered my own question, but am hoping someone will
TELL, me, that in fact,  I can't use the buttonholer....thanks, arden

Arden S
Subject: Bad scratch
Date:	Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:35:03 -0400

Hello all:

I had a wonderful time sewing on my FW all summer.  I was able to get a quilt 
top done (log cabin/star), plus some smaller items.  I did make a terrible 
error.  I was working at my picnic table (it is covered with an awning) and a 
bad fog came in.  The black base of the FW went a white colour on top.  When I 
dried it off with my hair drying blowing on it the white disappeared but I also 
took a soft cloth to it and got a terrible scratch right down to the metal.  It 
made me terrible sad.  Would anyone know of a way to repair this.  Everytime I 
sew on it I am reminded of my stupidity. Thank you for whoever might be able to 

Date: 04 Sep 96 16:50:10 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/3/96

any info about white rotary mod 77 ser #120858.  just got it .  couldnt resist
it is very impressive with all attachments except regular presser foot(any one
have a spare) 
tia kathy
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:05:03 -0400 (EDT)

To Suzanne:  Mind telling us what color lining your fold-out box has? 
Some of us are on a quest to figure out which machines which boxes go
with, if such a thing is possible.
To Cindy:  Either Francis (as in Francis of Assisi) is having trouble with
his bobbin, or Frances (as in my Aunt Francie) is having trouble with her
bobbin.  Are you sure the bobbin case is inserted all the way into the
bobbin case holder?  Is the action of the needle up and down smooth, or do
you feel any resistance if you turn the balance wheel by hand?  Also,
modern Singer lubricant should be available at any fabric store that
carries Singer accessories.  These days it comes on a 1/2 fluid oz. tube,
white and red, item #2129, and I think the one I bought came in a plastic
blister pack.  It was hanging on the wall next to the oil (DON'T confuse
the two), needles, bobbins, etc.

To Kathleen: I second your request for a list of 401 part numbers, if
anyone has one.  

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 18:15:52 -0700
Subject: Model 1500 Machines

>One of the Singer machines he brought home recently was a 15-98.  I don't
>remember seeing anything posted about this model since I've been receiving 
>I haven't had a chance to actually compare it to one of my other 15's,
Does anyone
>know anything about the 15-98?  How many different variations of the 15 did
>Singer make?    
Karen. there are many Model 15's.  they are:

        15-86  - 15-87  -  15-87  -  15-88  15-90  - 15-91  -  15-96  -  15-97
        and the  15-125
Date: 07 Sep 96 21:29:28 EDT
Subject: post

Hi All...

For  Sharon ... The #27 was the predecessor of the 127 (&128). It was 
meant  to be a treadle only machine as there is no motor mount boss to mount a 
motor  or  hand  crank  like  the  127 has (although there were add-on kits to 
electrify  the  machine later). The #27, and its smaller cousin, the #28, were 
made  from  the mid-to-late 1890's through the '20's. Our #27 was manufactured 
in  1898.  You  can  call  the  Singer toll free number (at the bottom of this 
digest)  and  give  them  the  SN  to see when the machine was made. Parts are 
still  available  for this machine. If it was in reasonable condition and made 
before 1900, I guess $95 wouldn't be too steep - but offer $75!

For  Vicki...  The  tension  dial  (the one with the numbers) will push in and 
rotate left or right to 'reset' the tension reading. A FW should sew with a
tension  setting  of  '5'  or  so...  With  the  tension dial set to where the 
machine  sews  properly,  push  in on the dial and rotate it 'till it's set at 
'5',  without  disturbing  the  actual  tension setting. Engage the pin of the 
tension knob with one of the holes in the dial...

For  Marie,  re  FW  model #... Model 221-1, 222, 221k1, 221k4, 221k5, 221k7 - 
there may be more!

For  Krisi...  We  sell  copies  of  the  FW  Service  Manual  - see our ad in 
Saturday's FWForSale Digest...

For  Bobbie  K.  -  There are actually four basic sewing mechanisms that use a 
bobbin...   Vibrating or Long Shuttle (#27 &127), Oscillating Hook (66 &99), 
Oscillating Shuttle (15), and the Rotary Hook (221)...

For  June  -  Well, you might want to take another look at the 'G0' serial no. 
as  the G serial no. predated the 99 by several years, especialy because there 
were  no  electics  in 1911... The 301's are weird in that Singer did not keep 
records on that machine, so the "N" numbers are not recorded...

For Lydia... "404" and "457" but no "409" in my book...

For  Karen  re: "15"... Let's see: there's the 15-30, 15-86, 15-87, 15-96, 15-
97,  15-98,  15-88,  15-90,  15-91,  and  the  15-125  -  all the 15's are the 
"Oscillating Shuttle" type...

Bye  for  now, Chris
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:31:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: introduction

greetings machine lovers!
my name is T.R. (since initials are ambiguous, i'll tell you that i'm a 
"she").  am the author of the article on machine 
collecting in the latest issue of Threads. (which i haven't even seen yet!) 
several of you have emailed me and informed me of this wonderful Digest! i had 
no idea there were others as enamoured of the machinery as i! i am a good 
of reference on Singer machines (dating, parts, questions, repair) and also 
to go scrounging for them at yard sales and such, although i do not have the 
space and time to get as far into collecting as i used to be. Nowadays, i find, 
refurbish and resell mostly, for joy more than profit. but i love sewing, and 
talking about machines. my personal favourite is the Singer 201, the smoothest 
most solid piece of machinery i've ever had the pleasure of sewing on, but i 
love them all! currently working on a 101 and a 15-91 in the shop, caring for 
2 and 6 year olds, playing in a band (folk music) and working on my second 
album. and oh, of course...sewing!
i also have 2 white FR rotaries, and Singer 127, 101, 201-1, 301A, 401A, 66-1 
hand crank, 192K, 306W, 15-88 treadle and a few others i'm sure lurking around 
somewhere in the shop. the next FW i find i'll try and keep, but they're worth 
so much that i can't resist selling them.......:(
i have many instruction manuals if anyone needs photocopies. also have a lot of 
parts and attachments and their instruction manuals as well.

happy to be here!
Subject: today's goodies

Hi all;

Went to the big antique/craft show today in Wausau, Wis. I didn't find much 
for sewing except a very nice handcrank Wilcox&Gibbs sewing machine in nice 
condition. The decals were in good shape, and the whole mechanism spun 
around very nicely. The asking price was  $190. I thought it was probably 
worth it, but I'm really not too interested in that type of machine for 
myself. If anyone is interested, it was being sold by Four Season's 
Antiques out of Marshfield, Wis. This is the same place I saw the "Little 
Princess" toy sewing machine a few weeks back.

As long as I was in town, I decided to pay a visit to my Singer guy. I know 
the man has a basement full of old black sewing machines (my DH has seen 
them, but I haven't) to ask him to keep an eye out for any attachments. He 
was about to close up, but said "wait a minute". He went and dug around in 
some old drawers full of stuff, and came up with a pinking attachment. " 
Oh, I guess I can let it go for $10". I almost ripped the thing out of his 
hands!! I told him I was in the market for a hemstitcher--he replied that 
he had a lot of stuff down in the basement, but he'd have to go dig around 
and see what he could find. He also said that he knew he had buttonholers, 
blindstitchers, and some zigzaggers for the various machines--but he'd have 
to go dig them out. He couldn't believe that there was a group of 
collectors that really WANT this stuff. I told him about the FWFs and asked 
if I could post his name in case anyone is interested in any parts. No 
affiliation, except a very happy customer!!

A &J Sewing Center
318 3rd St 
Wausau, WI 54403-5410

I got home tonight and cleaned up the pinker--does that ever work neat! 
Does anybody have a manual I could get a copy of? I have it working, but a 
manual sure would be nice---I'm one of those odd people who likes 

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:42:05 +0000
Subject: weekend finds

I had a great SM weekend.  Even though I bought a 201 and a 301, my 
most exciting find was a Rocketeer 503a for $10.  This may sound 
strange to most of you, but my DH and I are doing our house piece by 
piece in Deco/50's Futuristic/Machine Age, and as soon as I saw a 
picture of the Rocketeers, I knew I had to have one.  This machine 
looks great with the rest of our stuff, and it is very cool.  (I'm 
probably betraying my age by saying "cool," but "beautiful" doesn't 
quite fit.  With our furniture, I'll probably go to my grave still 
saying "cool" and "funky.")

This machine only had one cam with it.  I found out, however, that 
cams for 600 and 603's fit it.  (I have a spare set.)  Now, I just 
need a manual and power cord/foot controller...

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 19:17:58 -0800
Subject: 301a = fw

I have a nice black 301a that I would like to trade with someone for a 
featherweight.  I 
realize that this wouldn't quite be a fair trade, so I'd make up the difference 
cash, if anyone is interested.  The 301a is in good shape, the gold is pretty 
nice, runs 
fine.  I don't have an original manual, but do have a photocopied one, and some 
attachments.  The suitcase it came in is one of the ugly tan/brown tweedy 
things. I'd 
like to find a FW for my MIL, who I love dearly and really is coveting mine.  
(I don't 
love her enough to part with mine, tho!)  Thanks, Sharon
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:26:13 -0400
Subject: Two great ideas

Hi all,

I was reading the FWF posts the other day and had this great idea.  I have a
dozen or SM in my collection and am always looking for more (same disease
many of you have) interesting machines.  I don't do a lot of sewing, but am
fascinated by the developmental history of the SM and the mechanics of the
older ones.  Anyway, my idea might keep me from going broke buying SMs.  

A year or so ago my DW and I purchased a really neat old warehouse in the
downtown area of Grand Rapids, MI.  The building is 50 feet wide, 100 feet
deep and six stotries high.  It has maple floors, brick walls and heavy
timber columns and beams.  We bought it as an investment because a new arena
was being built right across the street.  If everything goes according to
plan the building should appreciate as the neighborhood changes.

Back to my idea.  If all of you FWers who have collections would bring them
to Grand Rapids and let me set up a museum at the "Warehouse", I would not
have to buy any more machines.  I could just go down any admire yours.  I
might even be able to charge the public two bits to get in and wind up with
coffee money.  Now, does't that sound like a good idea. :-)

Seriously,  Katy  suggested that maybe a Michigan or Great Lakes
area FW gathering might be fun.  If this happens, the warehouse could be a
fun place to show machines.  It gets a little cool in the winter though.

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 22:45:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: 27's and other stuff


> SHaron the singer 27 was produced from 1899 to
> 1913, then the 127 was introduced.

Unless I'm mistaken, the 27 was produced as early as the 1880's --
although it was also called the Vibratory Shuttle #2, which may confuse
matters some.

Other stuff:

The International Quilt Festival is coming up in November, and I think it
would be a great time for any Fanatics that are attending to get together! 
I've heard from a few people who are interested (yes, I've still got your
names/e-mail addresses!) but I thought I'd mention it here, just in case
there are others. 

So if you're interested in seeing some really great quilts, and getting
together with some other Fanatics, let me know!  


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