Featherweight Fanatics Archives

October 1996

Sunday, September 29th - Saturday, October 5th

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:03:10 -0400
Subject: 500

Hi gang,

I've seen mention of a couple of 500 owners saying that the face plate 
door hinge on their 500 are broken.Mine is also and its on the top hinge 
that its snapped.Must be a weak spot in them all.Take thin wire and 
twist it around broken hook to reattach and it works just fine.Door 
snaps when closed anyway, and after many uses mine stays put.
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:18:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: TR? 101-201, first ZZ?

Geaham said:
> Yes, the machine you saw wihthout feed dogs was a Davis.
            i bought it! it sews well!
> Any truth to the rumour that your name is Tiffantelli Rhodumbus and that's 
> why you use initials?
            (VVVBG!) not a chance! only my mother knows, but Tattooed Redhead   
(as in 66-1?, no!) is the explanation al lot of people come up with....:)

Frish Said:
> Hi everyone can someone explain to me what the difference is between the
> singer 101 and the singer 201 

they both have geardrive motors on the back of the arm and top-loading bobbins, 
but the 101 goes forward only, (big silver stitch length screw) the 201 has 
reverse (stitch length lever) . there are a lot of other mechanical 
but that's the main way to tell.

Clay said:
> Okay, I know the slant-needle machine is the 301, but what about the
> zigzag? At first glance, I thought they were talking about the 401, but
> someone on the list already mentioned that that was not Singer's first
> zigzag machine.

the 206 was the first ZZ in the Singer Family, followed by the 306W and the 
319W. all were commercial flops. the 401 was the first REAL ZZ by Singer.
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:40:10 -0700
Subject: Shoe pin cushions

Hi all -- I collect cast metal pin cushions in the shape of high heeled
shoes.  I have 7 now and they make a lovely display.  Do any of you have
any for sale?  Get in touch.  Judy
Date: 29 Sep 96 12:44:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Contribution

If you don't find part one of Singer (I never saw it posted but I know it made
it) I'll e-mail to you.

To Maggie

You do not need a curved needle for your Wheeler and Wilson 8. The only 
that need curved needles are those where the needle bar runs in a arc eg
Florence, Wheeler and Wilson 7 and before, Grover and Baker etc. Have manual I
can copy for No 8 if you can't get one more locally.

Graham F
Date: 29 Sep 96 14:06:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Contribution

To all re manuals

I'm still getting cheques sent with requests for manuals.

Until my "publicity budget"  from ISMACS runs out all copies of manuals come
from me free and with no postal charges.

We have the following available:
"Vibrating Shuttle"/ New Family/Nos 2/3; Nos 12, 15, 20, 27, 28, 48, 66, 99,
127, 128, 221, 222. Plus small instruction book for table clamp pinker.

In all cases we will provide the best possible copy although some will suffer
from oil stains etc on the early originals.

Graham F
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:32:13 -0700
Subject: Manuals Needed 99K/15

I would like to purchase a copy of the manuals for the 99K and the 15 
(mine is gear driven, 50's machine, in a cabinet). 

Date: 29 Sep 96 15:21:32 EDT
Subject: Copy of: FW Fanatics 9/24/96


Kristen -- congratulations on your "birthdate" for your 27 -- ours might be
cousins .  I have a 27 portable  that I got here in Russia that was actually
made in Great Britain .... check out Charles Law's www  page for diagrams, etc
and I know people will jump in  and offer you copies of manuals -- I can send
you a Russian version if you like!
Also, Gail Picken's www  home page has lots of information on how to clean (and
not clean!!) these very old machine's scroll work, etc.  Do you have the sphinx
on your machine?

Charles and Bobbie:  Charles, you have been one busy beaver since I was last on
your page -- the "upgrade" is very snazzy. 
Thanks, Bobbie for all your pics that are on there -- gives us overseas types
more to look at. I even enjoyed looking at the attachment boxes.  Us new kids 
the block have to know what we are looking at if and when we might see
I also noted subtle differences between the 127/128 and my 27 -- different
scroll work, etc etc -- my machine also seems bigger but could just be photo

Old timers:  please continue to post www pages and info for newbies!!!!  It
might be boring for the "old folks" but the only way newcomers to the www, etc
can get all the information that is available.  Everyone was extremely kind to
me and filled my e-mail box w/advice.

Antique lovers: what other "brands" are out there other than Singer?  Would 
love to know more.

We're having a warm week  today it is 63 -- last week it was about 35-40
wsome "reported" sightings of snow flurries, and a lot of people were 
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:31:40 -0800
Subject: Premier

For your reading and drooling pleasure, I wanted to tell you all about a
machine I saw in a quilt shop, display only.  It looks like your usual black
shiny finish sewing machine head but it said Premier on it in gold.  From
where I was standing, that was about all the gold decaling I could see on
it.  The part I thought was different was the rectangular wooden cover (this
is a portable, btw).  It had two doors on one side which opened. On the
inside of one door were a row or two of wooden spool holders.  On the inside
of the other door was a scissors holder.  Inside the cover, over on the left
side were two little drawers, looked like the old spice drawers.  The cover
was on the machine when I saw it so I could see the machine head with the
doors opened.  I think this is piece unique.  Anyone else ever see one like

Linda E
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bernina

Hi Feathered Friends:
Found a BERNINA Model 642-2 (zigzag) in case, with manual, attachments, and
spools of silk thread at the big swap meet in San Diego. Very clean. $35. I
got it for my 29 yr old daughter, Julie. Today is her birthday - but that is
not why I got it for her. I am trying to make amends for buying her a brand
new "plastic" BROTHER for a wedding shower present 7 years ago. Can't even
use the darn thing for parts. I am older and wiser now - and 8 SM richer.
But, back to the BERNINA. It is green and gray, and the case is brown &
white. Weighs in at 46 lbs. Not my idea of a portable! However, since
daughter Julie is into decorating her new house, this machine will do all
the work of making those window coverings and sofa pillows. I was so excited
I just had to tell you all before I go back into the living room to check
out the B. The Guy said it works. G also said it was his wife's and she has
been sewing on it everyday for six years. NOT. G also said he had a 200 yr
old threadle for sale. We'll see if the B works. In spite of G's
credibility, I bet it does. Shannon 
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:36:13 PST
Subject: Minnesota treadle

Am going to check out a treadle machine at an auction sale this week. 
Does anyone have any information on a Minnesota treadle?  It is listed
in excellent condition.  Hope I can get someone's opinion of this
machine.  TIA
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:29:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Swap meet find

Well, I am now on my "third " and final , last machine.  Finally found the
white Fw, I have been hunting for and this will hopefully complete my
collection.  It was in 9+ condition with attachments and a perfect case.  The
price $260.  Not exactly a great deal, but Fw's are not cheap around here.
 Seems like all the vendors know the value of these little gems.  Also found
another Fw table, which need refinishing.  Found a second one too, but the
vendor said his wife would kill him if he sold it.  Laura
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:38:24 -0400
Subject: Weekend Auction

I found a 185J at an auction this weekend.  I take it this is the fabled Spart
It looks exactly like the one pictured on the full page Singer ad that
decorates my sewing space.  Plus there is no serial number on it, anywhere.
 It came in a cabinet, unfortunately, without any Singer attachments or the
portable case.  But, hey, the belt, cords, foot controller, and bobbin rubber
are the original green.  The only marrs on the machine are two teenie-tiny
chips in the enamel along the base -- so I'd rate it at a definate 9.  I got
it for $20.  Shock me!  Now I need a case.

Along with the Green babe's sewing stuff were two 221/301 bobbins. They were
unusual in that the were solid sided and made in Germany.  Enlighten me,
somebody, was this a bobbin style of the 221K or the 222?  

Later folks!

Wanda - basking in the cool of fall where the corn's being picked and the
trees are starting to turn. 
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 21:08:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: jokes

>Hello Feathered Friends: This year I have the job of Editor for our Quilt
>Guild's Newletter "Common Threads". I need some appropriate jokes that I
>can print in the newsletter. Doesn't have to be sewing-related, but that
would be good. If you have any antidotes, sayings, words of wisdom, etc.
that I can publish - please email to me. Forever grateful. Shannon 
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 06:39:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Antique show finds

I went to a wonderful antique show yesterday and thought I'd share my
discoveries.  I found (in order of acquisition): a sheet metal toy machine
made in Germany with lovely red and gold flowers in very good condition for
$50 (think it's a Casige from the toy book, but there's not one exactly like
it there), a whole bunch of sewing related paper stuff (which I'll describe
later), a White Rotary portable in one of the ugly fabric covered cases but
the machine looks ok for $5, a box of various sewing things for $5(obviously
the contents of some woman's sewing drawer) which included a FULL box of
Necchi bobbins (I think they fit the Supernova), AND (ta-dah!) a box with a
Singer hand crank pinker with its manual PLUS the manual for a 99-13 (I have
the machine, but not the manual) and a manual for a Singer ruffler (only 8
pages, I'd never seen one JUST on a ruffler) ALL for $2!!! Didn't I do
well?? You just never know when you go to these things - it was a fairly
small affair and I didn't expect much, but found much more than I usually do
at the far larger ones! Which is why I have to check them ALL out!! 

Now, as for the paper articles:
1)Dressmaking, Millinery and Cooking Made Easy, Woman's Institute, 1918 (a
detailed description of their home study courses in these areas AND a very
nice photo of Mary Brooks Pickens on the inside cover!)
2)Hapgood School Needlework, 1922 ("A Book Written for the Beginner of Any
Age in Any School" - the chapter on sewing machines compares the chain
stitch and the lock stitch machines)
3)A plastic bag on slipcovers including a leaflet from the US Govt from 1931
and How to Make Cushions, Singer, 1962 with a picture of a Golden Touch and
Sew on the inside cover (where in the 1961 booklet on Slipcovers there was a
4)A bag with quite a few little booklets on sewing , most from the 1940's,
including one from 1941 on using men's suits to make other clothes.     
5)My VERY favorite find: a well worn large paper envelope which held "Singer
Sewing Skills Project Material" for lessons 1-6. I imagine this accompanied
the books I recently found on the Singer lessons - some of these were
completed, but not lessons 4-6 (sounds like me!) - all carefully preserved
in their wax paper-like envelopes.
I was so pleased with all of this - might not have great value (most were
only $1 or $2), but I'm thrilled to have them all. It's so nice that some
people think to save all this stuff so lucky ones like us can someday
rediscover their treasures! Good luck to all of you in your searches - I so
seldom find things that I'm sometimes tempted to give up and then a day like
this comes along!
Sue M.
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 06:11:22 -0600
Subject: Finding a featherweight of my own!

Hello there!
	My name is Billie C and am presently using my Mother's
featherweight. Does your club have leads on where people can find FW's?
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:39:06 EDT
Subject: Found one!

I've been lurking here for a while, learning a lot, looking without 
much hope of finding a FW at a price I could afford...saw them at 
quilt shows for $450 on up, drooled, admired and walked on by...then 
I went, reluctantly, to a local rummage sale where I spotted a black 
box in with the stereos and electronic equipment that could have been 
a 45 record player case (alright, I'm dating myself here but I had 
one). I went over and opened it...it was a Featherweight! I closed 
the lid, paid for it and got out of there fast! When I got it home, I 
opened it up to find a beautiful little machine in near perfect 
condition. The serial number is an AJ which I understand is 1950.
However, the Singer decal says "A Century of Sewing Service...
1851-1951." Is this the Centennial I've read about? It came with the 
oil can, a tube of motor lubricant, a like-new manual, half a dozen 
bobbins, a zipper foot (a later addition?) and a quilting guide. 
There was no separate box of accessories, which, according to the 
manual, include a ruffler and a binding foot. But, the gold work is 
not worn and after I cleaned (dusted) and oiled it, it ran 
beautifully with a perfectly balanced stitch. And now, for the 
clincher, the price sticker said: $30.00! Yes, that was $30.00. It 
will take a lot to wipe the smile off my face after this. My collie 
and I did the Snoopy happy dance around the living room after I got 
home. I even woke my daughter to tell her about it. She said, "that's 
nice...mumph" and went back to sleep. Poor dear, she just doesn't 
Mary Anne
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:52:53 -0700
Subject: Survey

I printed off a copy of the FW survey, which I will fill out for my own
FW.  I belong to aGuild of 120 members, manyof whom own FW's, many of
whom do not own or have access to a computer.  If this survey is no9t
just for members of FWF, would you want me to copy the survey and have
my fellow Guild members fill it out?  I could then enter the info, and
then uner a separate message give the owners' names by serial #.  I
wouldn't want you to get the impression that I owned them all.
	Also -- what is the prupose of the survey?  Are you doing it for the
same reasons as the States' Quilt Searches?  I'd have to give the reason
for the survey with my request that they fill it out.
	As newsletter editor I could put a copy of the survey in the newsletter
and/or give it out at a Guild meeting.
	I realize that this survey will probably never be completed, but what
kind of results are you looking for and how often will you publish them?
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:00:14 -0700
Subject: This and That

First off, thanks to Sue for the wonderful updates to the FWF page! It is 
fantastic! If you haven't checked it out recently, do so. Lots of great 
info there.

I recently saw an old treadle at the local antique mall that was very 
interesting. The brand name was Weed. Ever hear of it? The head was quite 
small and there was some movement to the handwheel but it wouldn't go all 
the way around. The table was simple with a breadbox cover for the 
machine and a drop leaf on one side and one or two drawers. The treadle 
part was shaped like feet. The table was in better shape than the machine 
but it was still pretty cool. They were asking $295. Any comments? I am 
not going out to get it but it was neat to see. 

It is getting cold here and the garage sales are dwindling, time to sew 
:). Katy 
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:39:49 -0800
Subject: wheeler &wilson

I've acquired a Wheeler &Wilson #9.  I'd love to have a manual for it, and 
some info on 
it's date of manufacture.  I've been eyeing it for a couple weeks, and finally 
down and went back for it  (probably overpaying at $200).  The cabinet is 
beautiful, 7 
drawers and lots of scrollwork.  It'll be a surprise how/if the head cleans up, 
it was 
pretty grimy.  Anyway, if anyone can help me out with info or a manual, I'd be 
happy to 
pay for it, or copying charges and postage.  Thanks, Sharon
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:25:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sightings &more cams

I found a box of cams the other day, but I don't have a clue which machine
they belong to.  They're magenta plastic, and they come in a flat, 
rectangular tin box that doesn't have any machine-specific information on
it.  The cams are numbered 1 through 20 (or maybe 21 -- I don't have the
tin in front of me right now.)  Does anyone recognize these?

Sightings:  (no, not of Elvis or of Graham &Maggie -- neither seems to
make it to our parts often)  In a collection of Beardsley prints I looked
through a couple of days ago, there was one which was an ad supposedly for
Singer sewing machines, although the drawing featured a woman playing the
piano.  So did she play the piano while her maid stitched up her new frock
on the Singer?  I don't *think* Singer ever made pianos... 

And did anyone see the Jones hand crank in the latest Piecework magazine?
It was a special issue on women who came to the US through Ellis Island,
and the machine was identified as one that came over with an immigrant
from England.

Terri (who doesn't blame Elvis a bit for hanging out in alien spaceships
or convenience stores in Minnesota -- it's bound to be cooler in either
location than Houston's 90+ degrees!) 

Steve and Terri C
Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:09:25 +0000
Subject: Stuff

Dear Feathers and/or Nina People:

For those of you who might be interested in getting FREE (yes, free) E-Mail, 
call 1-800-654-5886.  They will send it to you, it might take awhile, since 
it seems the whole world wants free email.  It took about 6 weeks or so for 
mine to come.  I would be happy to share and send you a disk copy of mine if 
you send me a formatted diskette with enough postage to send back to you. 
 The little folder it came in is minimal - it mainly tells you the system 
requirements and why it's free (sponsored), you will get all the information 
when you load the disk and look at the FAQ, etc.

It's easy to install.  You can receive and send E-Mail to anywhere in US, 
PR, Virgin Islands...and maybe somewhere else.  So, you guys in Europe can't 
use it (right now...who knows for the future) but we can communicate with 
you and you us, it's just free on our end.  You can set up more than one 
user at home, have mail folders and mailing lists....I think it's great so 
far...I've only had it a few days, but I do like FREE!  You need a minimum 
of 386, with Win 3.1(or higher) or Windows 95,  4MB Ram, 10MB free disk 
space, 3.5 floppy drive (I haven't tried copying it onto a 5 1/4, but if 
anyone were interested, just ask and I'd try it.., VGA monitor (SVGA 
recommended) and at least a 9600 baud-modem.  They have a lot of local 
numbers and are planning to add more in the future.

So, this is following the request on the package I got:  "Please feel free 
to pass this disk on to a friend, or call 1-800-654-5886 for additional 

Using free mail certainly takes the guilt or worry away from 
extemporaneously "speaking" as thoughts occur to you...you can be long as 
you want, now!
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:09:00 -0500
Subject: fwf:machine mystery

Hi everyone,
Well, it's happened! I am "hooked". I have had a fw for several years and
now guess I am going to start collecting all sorts! PLEASE bury my in mail
because I want your answer (no, need it!) to my mystery machine. I picked up
a Singer in a lovely walnut cabinet yesterday. It reminds me very much of my
featherweight except being in the cabinet complete with knee lever. It must
be what I have heard others calling a centennial model because the emblam
says 1851-1951. But, what model is it? The serial number is AK266887. As I
said, it looks very much like my fw. Has striated faceplate, numbers on
tension dial, post on front of bed for bobbin winding. How can I find out
more about it? Couldn't find any other numbers. Paid $20.00 for it. Is that
reasonable? Let me know asap as I am soooo excited.
Date: 30 Sep 96 13:21:54 EDT
Subject: post

Hi All...

For  Joy  re  'gritty' - make sure there's no thread caught between the bobbin 
case  base and the hook. You'll have to remove the GIB screw and swing the GIB 
out of the way to release the BC base.

For Charles re 'decals' - YES!

For  Jenifer  re 'lubricant'. Yes, the motor and gear lubricant is the red and 
white plastic tube marked Singer Lubricant, pn 2129.

For  Graham  re  'Betsy  Ross'.  Thanks  for the info on Gibralter. The little 
machine  actually  cleaned up nicely. In fact, I don't think it was ever used! 
The  bed  is  shiny enough to use as a mirror to shave with and the belt looks 
brand new (it is motorized).

For  Viv  re  800  #.  The  800 no. for Singer is posted at the bottom of this 
digest.  It is 800-877-7762. Featherweights typically came in a small 'square' 
black  box that were made in two basic variations. The older style has a black 
lift  out  tray.  Its  dimensions are 13 1/4"w x 8 1/4"d x 11 1/2"h. The newer 
style  case  (two  sub  variations exist) has a small tray built into the left 
inside  of  the case. Its dimensions are 14 1/2"w x 8 1/4"d x 11"h. There were 
also  a couple of other *colors* of cases, but the same size as above, and not 
frequently  seen. You will know a FW by its three main 'characteristics'. One, 
it  has  a  fold  up bed extension. Two, it weighs 11 pounds. Three, it's belt 
driven.  Most  are black. Some are white (aka 'mint green'), very few are tan. 
And I've heard rumors of red and blue ones...

Which  brings  up  an interesting thought open for general comment. As you all 
recall  from  an  earlier  posting,  I acquired a 'solid 2' last week. Missing 
paint  on  the  bed  and in general poor cosmetic condition. I have a sunburst 
yellow  Mazda Miata. How about a Sunburst Yellow Featherweight with black 'pin 
striping'. Now *that* would be interesting!!!!

Bye for now, Chris
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:41:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Parts needed for 500a and 99

Hi all!  I finally got my 99 and 500a that I mentioned about a week ago!
The 99 is currently in pieces in my dining room.  I got most of the gunk
off but there is still a layer of stuff that seems to have "soaked in"
that is not responding to my gentle cleaning methods (liquid Ivory soap,
soft cloth and then wd-40)  any suggestions?  Anyway looking at the 99 I
need some parts for it...a thoatplate, I have a new one but it's not the
shiny metal and it just doesn't look right, a case for it, I'm hoping for
a bentwood but are there any alternative suggestions?  And lastly the
little black wheel on the motor that turns the belt is broken.  Does
anyone have a broken/burnt out motor that has that black plastic part?
It's attached by a screw.  

The 500a seems to have a few more of its parts but I don't have a power
cord and it has a funny connection (not at all like the 128s, 99s, 66s
etc.), I think I have one cam but I would like more and the most important
piece...I don't have a  manual.  Can I get a copy from someone or perhaps
an original?

Thanks for any help!!  :)

Sheri B
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:01:51 -0700
Subject: Searchin Trip

       Hi all, well my last week-end trip was fun, went up to Branson, MO saw 
alot of FW's 2 at Springfield Ozark Mall outside of town on hyw 65 to Branson 
real nice place 5-6 Antique Barn's arts &Craft Shops , Motels all right there 
together, the FW's were over priced for the condition one was nice, but not 
$450. worth, another was repainted an in terrible condition. I did get a very 
old Singer, tiny SM sits upon a stand I'm not sure what it is ,it should be a 
treadle , I think, no handle, but the pulley is there, it has # 24-7  &H823498 
on the bed , can't get Singer to answer the phone so don't know DOB yet, it 
needs a foot, it was all rusted an froze up , but I got it running in no time 
some of the paint is missing , you can see part of Singer on front, the emblem 
is gone too , on the Lt front of bed there was something ,one time it's gone 
now.Dose anyone know what it is ? is it a toy?  I  saw a nice FW in Sprindale 
at an Antique shop $450. was a nice one though. anyway had fun Searchin. Sandy
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:15:16 -0400
Subject: Wanted Featherweight light

I need the base for the featherweight light the plastic part that houses the 
socket...or preferably like the whole light assembly, if you can 
help please E-Mail me.. Thanks Nancy
Date: 30 Sep 1996 20:41:08 +0000
Subject: Stuff


I sent some film into Signature (place in Texas, does great processing) and 
added the option of getting pix on disk.  Would this be the best way to send 
photos of our Beloved Feathers and their sibs and cousins?  Rather than 
taking a photo and scanning it and sending it?  Many of the photos I see on 
Web are of very nice machines, etc., but very hard to discern when you want 
to see all the fine points....could someone please eludicate?  (BOBBIE???? 
 Oh Guru-ess).

To TR:

About getting esoteric parts for old, venerable SMs,  try calling Bob at 
908-355-1125...he's my BSG (best Singer Guy).  He's not on line yet, altho' 
when he comes back from his brother (also a SG) who's on line, he will 
probably get going...I've been nagging him and taking/sending him copies of 
the digest...he has a collection of some very nice old SMs, also knows 
secrets of FW repair passed on down to him from people who are dead and are 
SECRETS....naturally, I tried to pump him....I told him he should publish, 
he has a very dedicated audience....so he said he would think on it....his 
SMAIL is Union County - ALL BRAND, 1149 E. Jersey Street, Elizabeth, NJ 
07201....most of the SGs I've met have been pretty decent, but Bob is Tops.

I thought your serial number was close to mine, but no...mine is 7466993, 
born 1/25/83 (fiddle-bed) also, in a cabinet/treadle that is very blah, but 
original.  A friend is going to trade me hers, which is also a fiddle-bed 
and I will try to repair hers (better than mine) and install head, which is 
still rather pretty with color, even tho' worn a bit...it also needs to be 
worked on and now, I'm more motivated to do it...about your 
number(s).....you have the 2 sequences....the x part and the other part....


I was lucky enough to have a Kind Feather find me a Lotus for my 
mom...however, I must add that she is NOT 5 inches tall, she is 5 Feet 
Tall...she was very bent out of shape when she discovered my mistake.  That 
would make her an extremely short little blob....so let me set the record 
straight...she is approximately 5 Feet Tall....and.........she is very, very 
happy about getting a Lotus, provided by Cyndi....

Toodles for now.....Happy Feathering, Mary
Subject: Model 27

I have a model 27, with a Sphinx(thanks, Steve &Terri C) design.
Birthdate--6-26-23.  Does anyone have a source on a manual?  How about
shining up the cabinet; does it destroy the value to refinish it?  The
machine itself is probably an 8+.  


Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 07:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics

    Just a check in, haven't had much time to post but am still on Safari 
trying to locate some White FW's. I do have both a white, tan and black 
waiting list so if you would like to be on a specific waiting list or 
have a particular need please post me. Haven't turned up much lately 
except an AM it seems to go in swarms.  I am anxious for my mother to 
see the 66 that I purchased in her birthyear she will be here next week 
this is a breadbox converted handcrank and even though the trimmings are 
rather garish the machine looks like it has never been used. 
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:04:20 PDT
Subject: Just ask the right questions and you will find FWs

It's driving me crazy but I keep looking at the white FW in local store 
 for $379.  It is just too much for one with the "smell".  I don't know 
 how much longer I can hold out though.  Is there anything special 
 about the white ones?  Like the picture of the white one on the net, 
 it has the built in power cord.  It is belt driven and appears to be 
 just like the black one except for the color and the Singer decal 
 which is not as nice.  This one appears to look greenish.

Anyway, for those of you who have not found even one FW and are 
 desparately looking, I will repeat advice that has been on before but 
 I saw it firsthand just last week.  The best way to find a FW is to 
 tell everyone you know that  you are looking for a small portable 
 Singer sewing machine which is in a little case which looks like a 78 
 record case.  I have been meeting with three quilting friends every 
 two weeks  for 8 years -- they know (obviously) about my FW obsession. 

 Would you believe it wasn't until last week that someone asked me how 
 could I be sure it was a FW.  I then went to describe how they looked 
 and how you couldn't confuse with 301 etc.  All of them almost in 
 unison said that either they had one or their mother had one!!  They 
 had always thought that FW said Featherweight on the machine so had 
 not considered these FW's.  I couldn't believe it!! 

 One of the women still had it because no one had bought it at a garage 
 sale she had three years ago!  Needless to say, they are all going 
 after their mothers (and one mother in law) to get the machines.  I 
 didn't net any new machines but confirmed that indeed they are still 
 out there undiscovered and even closer than we think.
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:22:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: how to clean&shine old SM's? and a FW repair story.

a question for you SM collecting veterans: 
how do YOU clean machines? especially ones that have sat for a zillion years in 
greasy kitchens, been owned my heavy smokers, etc? I have tried a variety of 
things (LifeTree, WD-40, various solvents from my brother's machine shop) with 
varying degrees of success and disaster, WD-40 seems to work the best, but 
detailing a filthy machine is just no fun. Newer machines like the 401 and 500 
clean up nicely, but some of the old black machines with layers of orangey 
gunk on them, i am at a loss of how to remove this without destroying the 
finish. Once you get the grime off (and hopefully the decals are still ON!) 
to you use to shine and protect them? would car wax work? i actually sew on my 
oldies, (it's important to me that they all be functional) so it can't be 
anything that rubs off on fabric. 
Once i found a poor FW that had sat in water, and all the paint had peeled off 
the sides and bed. i removed the peeled paint, cleaned the rest of the machine, 
then washed the bare aluminum with vinegar (helps the paint stick). then i 
painted it with Rustoleum GLoss Black and darn if it didn't look just like the 
original shiny black paint. was hart to tell where the original ended and the 
repair began. however there was no way i could replicate the gold "paperclip" 
decals on the bed. so i painted the entire bed gloss black. The case, of course 
had been ruined, but after cleaning, the motor and controller worked fine! I 
together a box of attachments and sold it for $200 to a very happy customer. i 
pointed out the repairs so as not to be deceptive, but she didn't care, it 
like a dream, strong and quiet. i think the machine was happy to be back in 
service again, as odd as that may sound.

Love this place! I'm buying FZ's Willcox&Gibbs! sent money today, 
can't wait to get machine! i've never seen one in person, just pictures.

Today i got an old White FR rotary (lots of scratched and worn goldwork) 
electrified in a nice wooden base...missing a bobbin case...FREE! someone put 
out in a free box (Eugene's own version of a junk sale, put stuff out on the 
curb for street people and thrifty nuts like me to paw through and take, 
than garbage service) :)
i bungee-corded it to the back rack of my bicycle....oooF! what a load! got it 
home in one piece. i have a FR in perfect condition but no head or motor or 
anything, so i am going to use the motor and stand of this one on my 
pre-existing one. My FR will be FUNCTIONAL!.....giggle.... cool and foggy here 
in western oregon.....off to play with machines and sort fabric 
Date: 01 Oct 96 18:06:05 EDT
Subject: Model 3

I found a model 3 (acording to serial # and Singer Hotline) with a bentwood 
in an antique shop.  It looks to be in good condition, but I don't know very
much.  Is that an interesting/collectible model?
Date: 01 Oct 96 18:07:44 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/29/96

To Wanda

Congratulations on your little green 185J!  I have one also and you can look 
the serial # UNDER the machine in the front near the black bar or gizmo that
goes across the bottom of the machine.  My machine was made in Canada 12/10/62.
Did not come with any manual or attachments but is a 9 on the GF scale.  It 
needed a new belt.  Sorry but I don't know anything about the bobbins from
Germany for the 221/301.  

Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 18:45:19 -0400
Subject: white FW 

Hi gang,

Saw a white FW with case in about an 8 condition.In a sm shop at dealer 
prices.Not sure what he actually will sell it for as I wasn't 
interested.Write me for directions.

Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:04:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: free e-mail

Mary L said:

> For those of you who might be interested in getting FREE (yes, free) 
> E-Mail, call 1-800-654-5886.  They will send it to you, it might take
> awhile, since it seems the whole world wants free email.  It took about
> 6 weeks or so for mine to come.  I would be happy to share and send you
> a disk copy of mine if you send me a formatted diskette with enough
> postage to send back to you. 

Is this the Freenet package?  My DH has just signed up my MIL and BIL
on Freenet -- he found a site on the web where you could sign up online.
(He found it by searching on "free" and "e-mail", strangely enough!)

I don't know how well it works, but they claim that at least 95% of
the people in the continental US will have a local access number.
Looks pretty cool to me -- usual disclaimers, etc.

Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 23:19:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: need slide plate

 I am looking for a FRONT slide plate for a model 27 handcrank. Please email
me if you have one?  The back slide plate is part #54512 and measures 3.5 x
almost 1.75.  Thanks. Millie
Millie M
Subject: A story from the repair bench

i guess is you all like stories of Mr. Singer's life you might enjoy stories 
about his machines too......

i have an old AK 15-91 in 7 condition that's been sitting in my shop for over a 
year. Finally decided it was time to get it running. The cords were toast, all 
oil-rotted and crumbly with bare wires hanging out. Dismantled it, threw away 
the wire, salvaged the terminal block end and strung up some new wire, 
a kwik-plug to the wall end. plug it in, step on the control (original, works 
fine, all speeds) but lo! Ominous clouds of white smoke seeping lazily from 
under the motor cover, horrid clanking and clattering from the interior! the 
light is intermittent at best and putting out a little smoke of it's own!. Now 
remember why i had put it away, not an easy fix. Oh well, i was in the mood for 
a big job today.
 Unplug, take off motor cover, remove handwheel, unscrew set screws on 
motorshaft worm gear remove motor armature and brushes. Just as i thought, the 
brushes (small porous carbon rectangles that transmit electricity to the motor 
commutator) are soaked with old oil. The commutator and armature are filthy and 
oily. Take the brushes outside (as this is a smelly procedure) and hold them 
over an open candle flame to burn out all the old oil. In the flame, the oil 
bubbles to the surface, catches fire, burns away. Back inside, i soak an old 
cloth diaper in wd-40 and gently clean the commutator (shiny copper part where 
the brushes contact) 'til it's bright and clean, wipe out the motor interior, 
check wire connections, reassemble motor, plug in and test. No smoke! just a 
small gentle reassuring whine of a clean motor. Reassemble gears and handwheel. 
Meanwhile the rest of the machines inner workings have been soaking under a 
of WD-40. Faceplate off, throatplate off, race disassembled. Bobbin case is 
badly rusted. Good thing i have a spare. Will attempt to rehab the other with 
fine steel wool someday, as 15-91/90/88 bobbincases ("backwards" from a regular 
15) are scarce.
Systematic oiling and gentle working of all the parts, cleaning fossilized lint 
from the race &feed. reassemble, wipe exterior, run at full blast for a 
minute...smooth! On to the light.....
The light housing is cracked and the wiring is rotten. i replace the whole 
with an generic aftermarket 15-type light (wiring into the terminal block as 
original was). Time to test sew! wind a bobbin, thread it up and voila! with a 
minor adjustment of the new bobbincase's tension, a perfect stitch!
I sew on scraps for awhile just to "break it in" again........what a wonderful 
machine. it will join two other refurbished 15-91's  and a motley crew of other 
Singers, Berninas, Kenmores and Whites at my daughter's school, to provide many 
more years of sewing service, teaching youngsters the joy of making it 
(my secret goal is to replace everything but the Berninas with nice old 
Three 15-91' and two 404s already! 10 to go!
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 00:20:17 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/30/96

I bought a Singer in San Diego over Labor Day weekend in a beautiful
round-top wooden case and a knee lever.  I called and found it was born
8/29/24 but never did find out what it is.  Anyone know??

Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:48:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 9/30/96

Hi Fanatics,

Just a little note to ask if anyone might have a cover for the light for 
a 301, black machine.  I have a friend who is looking for one and we 
can't find one around our usual haunts.  Any help would be greatly 

Just e-mail me 

TIA  Betty
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:51:26 +0000
Subject: 201 and 66-14

This weekend I went looking for a cabinet for my 201 with AM serial # (it 
cost $25), and I found a 66-14 with AJ serial # in a cabinet for $25.  (My 
best finds so far.)

The 66's cabinet has two small drawers on either side and looks like 
a treadle cabinet with wood legs instead of metal.  The 201's case 
has beige fabric on the bottom and beige fabric and dark brown 
leather on the top.  I'm thinking of switching them and putting the 
201 in the cabinet and the 66 in the case.  I'm assuming that since both 
machines were made in the 50's, a buyer could have have purchased 
either machine either way, and it wouldn't look funny or hurt the 
value of the machines for me to do this.  I'd appreciate any feedback 
or a description of cabinets people have that originally came with 
their 201's.

Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 06:54:44 -0400
Subject: Toy Sewing Machine Web Site


Well, I've finally got my Toy Sewing Machine website up and running.

Please take a look at the site even if you don't collect TSMs since I've
included a section about FWs. (There is a picture of the famous GREEN

This is a non-commercial homepage that includes my toy sewing machines
as well as those of other collectors.  It's located at:


It's been fun working on it and I'd appreciate some constructive
critisism from all of you, as well contributions of pictures and
possible articles from those of you who collect TSMs. 

If you happen to be a professional web author, please don't laugh, it's
my first meager attempt at an electronic magazine.  On the other hand, I
do want you to grin at the little bit of satire that I've mixed in with
the "real" collectibles info.

Please let me know what you think.

Bob C
Date: 02 Oct 96 07:00:36 EDT
Subject: Re: Contribution

To Katy re Weed

Weed was a big name in the 1910/20 period having started in 1865. Made in
Hartford Conn.
No great collecting interest and the one you saw seems well overpriced at $295.

To Sharon

Can provide copy manual for your Wheeler and Wilson 9. My W&W records do not
give sn information after 1880 but your machine would have been made between
around 1890 and 1905 when the company was bought out by Singer. Send snail for

To Chris

Sunburst Yellow sounds good. Can we get a picture of Elvis on it somewhere?

Sandy re Singer find

This is sounding a little like a Singer Automatic -- is it a chain stitch

To Terri re cabinets

Cleaning and waxing a cabinet will not detract from its value. What destroys
value is the quick cheap polyurethene shine applied out of a WallMart tin
favoured by manyso-called  antique restorers and dealers.
The vast majority of American cabinets were a simple wax finish. Only in 
was French polishing used. This, re-done properly in the "old style", would
enhance a British cabinet but not an American one. Plus it's very expensive --
takes me four full days to a simple cabinet properly.

To Claudia

Think the chances of finding the peel-off badge for a white(ish) FW are pretty
slim. I've got a couple here without badges. If you find a supply, please let 

Lisa re toys

The Singer 20 you saw dates from 1913 to 1930s. Price is about average unless 
is the first model (four-spoked handwheel) in which case it's cheap.
A little confused about the tan toy you mention. If it's a Singer it's a
second-generation Singer 20 (post-war). Will make you a spool pin but don't 
your breath....

Tee Arr re 12K

Made between 1865 and 1883. Have a manual copy if you need it. No new parts
available. Best bet is to try to find parts from a wrecker  at an old sewing
machine shop. Millions made so it's not impossible.

Graham F
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:54:00 -0400
Subject: spool pin for toy singer

to lisa, there was a place for spool pin at the top rear of the machine. 
the apparatus that holds spool pin, tension disk, operates needle bar, 
and attaches to hand wheel looks like it's made from aluminum? it is a 
separate piece that attaches itself to the main housing. the pin does 
not fit very well looks like it could be a little big around... but it 
works. hope this helps. if not e-mail me again and we'll see if we can 
get to the bottom of this. lucky you you have a case for yours. can i 
ask how much you had to pay for this little gem?  nancy b 
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:36:29 -0400
Subject: 66-?


I saw an old Singer in an antique shop yesterday.  It was in a nice walnut
cabinet with a large, opening to the left, horizontal door.  A neat little
attachment drawer was located on the INSIDE of the swing out door.  It was s#
G-8114182 which looks to me to be about 1920.  I think it was one of the 66
models but I don't know which one.   Is there an easy way to identify the sub
66 models?  The cabinet was at least a 7 and the machine was cosmetically an
8.  I don't know about the running condition.  He wanted $275.  How does that

He also had a very old T. W. Williams of Montreal machine with the
identifying words MARTIN GENUINE WILLIAMS 871 and s# 1905589.  It had a
fabulous empire style walnut cabinet with 2 ORGAN TYPE treadle pedals!  I
have never seen one with this type of treadle.  The machine was in fair shape
for its age, approx 1880 according to the shop owner, and fair cosmetically.
 It had a Johnson ruffler attachment patented in 1876   He wanted $650 for
it!  Have any of you FWF's seen this type of treadle?.  What do you think of
the price?.

I found a AL FW in another nearby shop.  It was in very poor condtion with
the paint peeling from the base and most of the gold missing.  The case was
fair.  Is it worth $95 for parts?

Last weekend I went to a semi-annual antique show in the area.  I found a
#368 toy Singer in perfect condition.  A real #10 with the base clamp but
without the case.  I parted with $185 to add it to my collection.  Did I let
my emotions run away with my common sense?  Don' be afraid to answer.

As a new FWF I really enjoy all the information available on the daily
publication.  I read it before I go to bed every night.  Thanks
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:57:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Another addict!

Congrats Mary Ann on your find of the century!  I did the same "Snoopy 
Dance" when I found my FW at an Estate Sale.  They too, did not know what 
they had, and I got it all for the obscene price of $25.00.

Take heart fellow FWF's - they are out there, you just have to be 
patient.  I'd finally given up on owning one, then stumbled across one!

Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:49:38 -0500
Subject: Elna in my future?

Hi everyone.  Nope, I haven't been dreaming about Elnas lately, but
yesterday was a particularly bad day at work so I decided to give a quick
call to a shop that repairs Elnas and asked if they ever get in used Elna
Lotuses...heh heh heh, lo and behold, they have one in the shop that needs
some work and should be ready in about two weeks.  Heh heh heh.  I left my
name and number and they'll call when it's ready.  Heh heh heh.  That sure
added a bit of light to the day.

Still smiling,
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:48:20 -0700
Subject: Bentwood Cases

Hi all - I'm a lurker, mostly, but have learned so much from this digest. 
 In fact, it's because of you nice folks I now have a 66 and a FW (1952) 
to call my own.  Anyway, the reason for this post.  I purchased the Model 
66 mainly for the *gorgeous* bentwood case it was in.  Wonderful, 
wonderful condition.  (My father is a cabinet maker, so I've grown up 
with an appreciation for wood.) The machine needed servicing, so I took 
it, case and all, to our local repairman.  When he brought the machine 
back to me, the lock was "sprung" - for lack of a better descriptive word 
here.  This guy is really nice, he's done the service on my machines for 
years, so I chose not to say anything.  But I can't figure out how to fix 
the lock on the bentwood case so I can use it.  On one side of the case 
is the solid "finger" that slips down into the base.  On the opposite 
side is the set of fingers that open out when you turn the key - grabbing 
the base.  You set the solid finger in the base on one end, then put the 
other end down on the base, turn the key and the fingers open outward and 
hold the top to the base.  This seems to work fine.  But then when I lift 
up on the handle, the solid finger pulls out of the base, and the top 
comes loose on one end - the side where you use the key stays put.  
Any solution to this problem?   I'd sure appreciate any help - or similar 
experience information - you can give me.  Thank you! Thank you!

Sharon L
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:18:09 -0400
Subject:  FW Fanatics 9/30/96 -Reply

I'm new to this digest because I recently acquired a Singer Model 128.  I
know it's not a Featherweight, but who knows, I may become an owner
someday.  To anyone out there, if you have a manual or any information
on the 128, I would be greatly appreciative in obtaining it.  I called Singer
to find out the date of manufacture, model, and where it was built.  I
want to know what it looks like and how it runs. I know it's electric, but is
there a foot pedal to operate it, if so, it didn't come with one.  The
machine sets in a wooden frame (don't know how to get machine out of
it) and had a wooden cover. The design on the machine is very nice, but
I don't know what the design is called.  It has gobs of dust and dirt and
want to know how to clean it.  I've seen WD40 and soap &water.  That's
all it takes?  

Thanks for any info you can send or tell me.  You can email me 

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:01:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: A Friend's Model 3

Hi all!

I've really been enjoying the posts since I joined the group.  I'm 
waiting on a manual for my treadle machine.  It is a Model 66, but 
somehow I got it in my head that it was a 15.  

RE:  Free manuals from Singer - You can call the 800 number to date your 
machine, but the customer service woman told me they DO NOT make all 
manuals available free.  Someone told me I could get on from them free.  
As it turned out, they do have some manuals for the early machines, up to 
1923, I think, so they are sending me one.  They do have some available 
from their Customer Service area, but for a fee.

I got my hair cut yesterday and again drooled over the machine on display 
in the shop.  The owner was *given* this machine by a friend - no other 
family, I guess.  Jennifer doesn't sew, and thinks her dyslexia has 
something to do with it.  Anyway, it's a hand-crank machine.  The curved 
top wooden case is in *wonderful* shape.  Very little wear on the decals, 
but would probably only need a little work to make it a 9 or 9+.  She 
promised to leave it to me in her will! ;-)  I found a small wooden box 
built into the inside of the case and it contained a number of 
attachments, some I've never seen in my 35+ years of sewing.  No 
manual.  The box has the entire bottom and most of the top - only 
missing the short sides.  Jennifer had no idea the accessory case was 
even there!  She'd never looked inside.  It was VERY dusty, but will be 
taken better care of now, I'm sure.  I called Singer today and she's the 
(now) proud owner of a #3 vibrating shuttle, hand crank machine.  Born in 
Kilbowie, Scotland on March 19th, 1894!!!  If anyone has a manual, I'd 
love to get a copy for her.

That's all for now.  I'll report on my assistant's treasure trove another 
day.  Another non-sewing person -- I hate to use "sewer" for obvious 
reasons! ;-) -- with an abundance of machines she knows nothing about!

Have a great day!

Vaya con Dios!                            
Maggie M
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:16:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Decals Wanted!!!... Got new machines!!!               

     Hi everyone, It's been a while since I've posted. I've aquired several
more machines since then. A Franklin treadle..A New Model treadle.. a Free
treadle in parlor cabinet with peacock design..Domestic treadle..American
Rotary.. black 301A in Case! This is my first 301 case..and I am thrilled
with it.                 Got a Singer pinker ..oil cans AND..I GOT MY ELIAS
HOWE MACHINE!!!!! It is weird looking but we LOVE it!!! I am up to the 50
mark I believe! I've got the disease bad!!!!
I am looking for the decals for sewing machines. The Singers mainly, but
would be happy to find any.............Thanks a lot!!!!!!!
Sincerely, Treadlin' Doreen
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 04:01:32 GMT
Subject: Griest attachments

     Probably because I've never found any Griest attachments I could use a
bit of help.My DH's friend picked up a black metal box of these w/velvet
lining.I'm sure for a treadle as they are simular to the wooden foldout
boxed attachments.The box says Attachments on the cover in gold and also
has gold circling around the top edges all around.Approximate age would
interest me if anyone knows about these. 
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 19:35:51 -0700
Subject: Toy Sewing Machine Pictures

If Bob Campbell will E-Mail his snail mail address I have pictures ready 
to send to him as he requested.Melva
Date: 02 Oct 96 20:13:26 EDT
Subject: Contribution 26

True stories number twenty-six

We pick our officers for the International Sewing Machine Collectors' Society
with some considerable care.  For example, we obviously need an editor who is
literate, a secretary with organising skills  and a treasurer who knows his way
around figures.
Thus, when the post of chairman came up (the former occupant was retiring
abroad) I cast around for a member with sufficient dignity, composure and
authority  to run our meetings and represent the society to the outside world.
We had the perfect type -- ex-army officer, presently director of a large
communications company and a really keen sewing machine collector.
I put his name forward, he was elected and only once since then have I doubted
the wisdom  of the choice.
It was at one of our annual conventions --  the North of England spa town of
Harrogate. One of the lady members had devised a cunning competition by putting
a quantity of cotton spools into a large glass jar and challenging  us to guess
the number.
In announcing the winner from the stage I rattled on a little before coming to
the point (why are you not surprised, I wonder). I said that I had tried to
cheat by enveigling the answer out of the organiser.
Getting carried away a little, I said that I'd tried to bribe her with a
five-pound fruit cake. I even suggested, in hushed tones, that I had offered 
my body.
At this stage the Chairman could take no more, he leant back in his chair and 
a loud stage whisper said :" You might have had more luck with a six-pound 
Like I said,  perhaps we might have picked a better man.

Graham F
Date: 22 Sep 96 14:51:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Contribution

To Daewoo re Wheeler and Wilson

The patent dates do not tell us anything other than it was mnade some time 
that date.
Need the serial number to date the machine. Also would help to know if, as you
sit to use it, the machine has a greater dimension front to back than left to
right. Is the mechanism that raises and lowers the needle exposed or internal?.
Is there a large number 7 in the main upright casting? Please give as much
detail as possible. These machine were made from the 1850s to the 1910s. The 
you saw could be anywhere in that period.

To Rita re bargain FW. 

Whilst the great lesson of life maybe that everyone is different, there are two
great lessons in the world of antique dealing.  
1) It doesn't matter a damn what the dealer selling it to you paid for it.
2) It matters even less what the dealer you sell it to gets for it.

There are people who have been in this business for 20 years who have never
learnt these fundamentals. They are the ones who don't sleep nights for fear
they should have made a few exra bucks. Sad people, all of them.

To Sannon re Glenda Thomas book

This is a fine reference guide for toy collectors although concentrating on
later (1950s-on models). A second version in underway. Although none of us like
price guides, knowing that they artificially force up prices, the quotes given
here are at least realistic. However you will notice that none of the
photographs from the MS Collection in London have prices -- that was our
condition of allowing them to be used.

Terri re manual

Just in case no-one else replies ----- check the serial mumber on your machine
with the Singer 1 800 number at the foot of this posting. This will give you an
approximate date of manufacture and tell you the model. Then contact me direct
for a copy manual. No charge.

Can't really comment on the price of the Casige toy. They can go from $50 to
$700 depending on model. Don't worry about not turning or bent parts. Paintwork
is what decides value with these tin-plate machines.

To all re Singer's love life etc.

Some of my mail didn't make it thru to me , including the one with the Singer
posting so I did not know it had appeared. Will post the second installment 
and the third and last towards the end of the week.

Sorry but I'm gonna need a photograph for this one.

To all

We are enjoying a series of postal strikes here ( lead up to the election). I
know that some of you are waiting for manuals but anything sent during the
strike just gets hoarded and can takes months to re-appear. Will send 
as soon as possible.

To Larry re Wendy's machine

Let's get her something really nice. I'll go 20 bucks. It would be great if
someone close to her school could handle this and make sure she get something

Graham F
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 23:11:04 -0400
Subject: Elna Book

Hi Sewing Friends. 
I have computer searched till I thought I'd drop to no avail.
Can someone give me an address that I might request a Manual
for my mothers Elna super which is about 20 years old. She loves to sew
and at 77 doesn't want to learn a new machine. But every once in a while
she has a problem and needs to consult the manual and she has misplaced
it since she moved to retirement apt.
I have the serial # and thought maybe I could get one, or a copy, from 
the manufacturer.

Thanks for any leads you might have.

Date: Wed,  2 Oct 1996 22:43:15, -0500
Subject: New Automatic?

Hello all you wonderful people.  One of my friends has just acquired 
a treadle machine, a New Automatic, Serial # C288482.  All that came 
with it is the cover of the manual, and a box of Toof attachments.  
It has 6 drawers, several of which operate on a spring system.  She 
would really like any info at all on this, especially type of bobbin 
it takes (none came with it), maybe a manual copy, and what type of 
needle it takes.   I found another FW, a 1955, on Friday, I was 
reading the classifieds while waiting for files to download at work, 
and there was a fw for $175.  So before 8:00 a.m,  I was on the 
woman's doorstep.  It's an 8, with a nice case, although no 
attachments, luckily I have some extras.  While I was writing the 
check, another lady (?) called and said the owner shouldn't let me 
out of the house for under $600.  Talk about poor loser!!  Needless 
to say, I handed her the check, and quickly left.  Dh just sadly 
shook his head, but then promptly took it out and said I did good!  
TTYS,  Sandi 
Subject: Web Page and Survey and Larroquette
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 02:07:28 -0400

I have posted the results of Cortney's Singer Model Description Survey on
my sewing page.  Her results were posted to the digest this summer for
models 2, 15, 24,27, 28, 66, 99, 127, 128, 201, 301.  I have taked those
results and posted to the web page and have included links to pictures
where appropriate (Charles Law's Web Page in all cases so far).  

In a continuing effort to get model descriptions out there I am going to
post the info that I have collected on some other machines
(101/401/403/404/411/431/503/500).  I would like to have descriptions of
these  machines from owners out there.  I need to know the color
combinations (tan/cream/taupe/?).  Any decorations. Type and position of
bobbin winder.  Type of throat plate (for example I know that the 431 takes
the same throat plate as the later touch n sew's but is basically a free
arm 401 which has the more rounded throat plate).  Whether there the
machine is straight stitch only (101/404/?) or zig-zag.  And whether the
machine has built in stitches or needs cams or has both.  Also, for my own
personal info (don't know if it will make it into the posted results or
not) I would like to know the color of the tension assembly (my 401 is
bronze/copper color but my 404 is black like the 301s).  Also I know some
of the 401s where made to be run by treadle as well as electricity so
please let me know about that as well.

Please email me privately with descriptions and feel free to include any
info that is particular to your machine or for which I have neglected to
ask.  In the meantime I am going to post descriptions based upon my own
research from owning and reading owners manuals and the ISMACS ID guide.

Last week's John Larroquette show had some kind of tan Singer in it...did
anyone happen to notice what it was?  By the time I glimpsed it it was
already gone.  Looked to be a 401 or other zig zag machine but I'm not

TIA, Jim
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:51:25 -0400
Subject: POST:  Model 27 Treadle

   Some of you may recall that, a couple months ago, my sister found a
treadle she thought I would like.  After hearing the description, I sent her
the money and had her hold onto it.  (She is in New York State, I am in
Texas.)  A friend happened to be travelling up to that area and offered to
bring it back to me.  Well, it has arrived!
   According to Singer, it is a Model 27, born 7/30/1895.  The cabinet has a
drawer on each side, plus a center pull-out drawer.  Heavily carved, with
brass drawer-pulls.  The ironwork was very gray (evidently heavy dirt and
dust)  - but after a good cleaning it is now a nice black with no rust - it
also still has the gold on both outer sides and on the SINGER in the center!
 The cabinet is oak in good condition - except for a black spot that looks
like a burn to the left of the machine.  If you put the casket top on the
machine backwords, you notice the darkened area in one spot of it lines up
with the one on the tabletop.  Maybe a hot iron was set there?  They were
lucky it didn't start a fire!  It is obvious this machine was used yet, other
than for the iron-burn, it was well cared-for.  (The gold Sphinx decal on the
arm is in excellent condition.  The Sphinx on the bed has a few scratches.)
 The forward slide-plate is missing.  One from a 127 almost fits - with some
filing I could make it fit.  But, does anyone have a slide plate to sell?
 The shuttle is pretty rusted - I have been soaking it in WD-40 and have
gotten some off.  This may be a problem.  
   There were some needles in a drawer, plus a couple bobbins.  Some old
buttons, old snaps, odd notions - and a coarse piece of woven fabric,
probably wool, looking like others I have found wrapped around the arm of the
machine and used for a pincushion.  I'm glad this one was never put on - they
always scratch the arm terribly.  Also a folding wooden attachment box with
about half the attachments it should have.  

   I am still looking for a REALLY old machine, but am happy with those I
have (1892 Oscillating Shuttle, 1894 #3 Vibrating Shuttle, this 1895 #27,
1920 #127, 1923 #128, 1948 #201, 1928 #99 and 1955 #99K, 1934 #221, 1952
#221, 1969-70 #237).  I also have a number of non-Singers, which I also love
and am having a harder time dating.  (Frister &Rossman, Vickers, New Home,
Western Electric, White Rotary, Vibra.)    

  My daughter has located what I think is a #28 treadle - so I hope to go see
it this weekend.  My sister told my father (in Delaware) that she found me a
machine.  When he called for my birthday, I told him the check he sent with
the card went to buy a machine.  He said, "You must have one in every room
now."  Chuckle - at least one in every room!  The handcranks are not a
problem - they look nice on the bookshelves and tabletops.  The treadles do
take a lot of room - especially the ones with casetops, as opposed to
fold-down tops which you could then use for end tables (but I don't).  The
electric portables just have to be put in closets...which are going to be
full soon!  So, what does everyone else do with their collections?

Date: 03 Oct 96 10:50:06 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/1/96

hey all
i was wondering if any one has or can find the elna lotus for me.  
i have been looking and found a pfaff 130 looks like a 40's bullet train
but i do want to have the lotus (the name is ccoooollll)
tia kathy
Subject: Free email
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 11:40:57 EDT

In response to a post I got yesterday, the phone # for the free email is
wrong.  It should be 1-800-654-5866  ( 1-800-654-JUNO ).  I have it and I
really like it!  Just thought I'd pass the info. along.
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 13:10:43 -0700
Subject: FW Fanatics replies

> Singer sewing machine which is in a little case which looks like a 78 
> record case.  I have been meeting with three quilting friends every 

        Do hope you said a case which looks like it holds 45 records!!

>how do YOU clean machines? especially ones that have sat for a zillion
years in 
>greasy kitchens, been owned my heavy smokers, etc? I have tried a variety of 
>things (LifeTree, WD-40, various solvents from my brother's machine shop) with 
>varying degrees of success and disaster, WD-40 seems to work the best, but 
>detailing a filthy machine is just no fun. Newer machines like the 401 and 500 
>clean up nicely, but some of the old black machines with layers of orangey 
>brown gunk on them
        that orangy, brown gunk is NOT from smokers, but what is left after
        using that horrific 3 in 1 oil....it's the 'lacquer' that has turned

        WD-40 and lots of careful elbow grease.  Doesn't happen in an 
        but after rmany hours of tedious work.  I've never been disappointed
        with the results I get.  But again, it doesn't happen overnite.

        Staying away from any modern day cleaner which contains ammonia helps!!

, i am at a loss of how to remove this without destroying the 
>finish. Once you get the grime off (and hopefully the decals are still ON!) 
>what to you use to shine and protect them? would car wax work?

        I've tested and tried many, many car waxes, and as I've posted before,
        the only one I've found that will not harm the decals is made by Car
        and it is labeled Super Finish II-T and is a Teflon [NOT silicone] wax.
        Also one more note of importance.  I've seen here and other places 
        people are "refinishing" the wood cabinets.  From much research and 
        experience, REFINISHING a cabinet WILL DEFINITELY reduce the value
        of the entire machine.  To "restore" a cabinet is totally different.  

        Once again, I've tested and tried many different things on the old
        cabinets.   The ONLY product I use is Howard's Orange Oil [usual
        just very, very pleased with the results] to clean and their Feed
and Wax
        to polish.

        One more thing to be noted.....many of the OLDER treadle cabinets have 
        a serial number which MATCHES the machine ser. #, and if someone trades
        out a head and uses another, once again, the value of the original
is now
        reduced.  Now, don't write me asking where these Ser.#'s are on the
        because I've never found them in the same place twice......and not ALL
        cabinets [treadles] have them....just one more mystery to be solved.

        If anyone wants to see for themselves what the Orange Oil does for
old wood,
        go to Charlie Law's website and take a look at the New Home Treadle
        That was literally, chalk white wood, all from neglect and age, and
the ONLY    
        product I ever used on it was the orange oil and feed and
wax......decide for
        yourself.  Again, it took many hours of work, but well worth it.

> i actually sew on my oldies
        I too sew on each and every SM I own at least once a month [xcept of 
        course, my beloved Florence, since it has not been cleaned and ready 
        to be sewn on], but will be before long (right Graham?) (g)

>To Wanda
>Congratulations on your little green 185J!  

        Those 185's were one of the greatest little machines Singer ever made.
        I too adore them, even more than a FW, but not nearly as much as a
treadle (g).

To All:  If you haven't visited Charlie Law's website, you are truly missing
out on 
        some fine information there.  And Bob Campbell, nice job on the toy 

Happy hunting
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:28:06 -0700


A short while ago, someone posted a great story about coming across a
second hand or antique store where the owner had been ripping apart
treadles in order to make those butcher block tables. In this case the
treadle that had been ripped apart and was foreven gone was a Florence.
Which caused the owner some chagrin to find out how much he lost on that
conversion .
I would love to see some comments from our treadle experts on what machines
are considered rare and at least worth more than those awful tables causing
these lovely old machines to be destroyed.  I would like to be able to at
least educate some of these people that these machines are worth something
more whole.

I gathered that a Florence was worth more than the table - but having never
seen a description or photo do not know why.  I am not asking for price
quotes since I agree with Graham and others on this subject just an idea
why it is considered valuable.   Thanks!

Susan M
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:18:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: These old machines and a bobbin winder

TR  said:

> ........what a wonderful machine. it will join two other refurbished
> 15-91's and a motley crew of other Singers, Berninas, Kenmores and
> Whites at my daughter's school, to provide many more years of sewing
> service, teaching youngsters the joy of making it YOURSELF!  (my secret
> goal is to replace everything but the Berninas with nice old Singers. 
Good plan!  Get another generation hooked on those good old machines, and
nothing less than one of those will ever "feel" right again -- that's how
I was conditioned in school, learning to sew on ancient black machines and
"new" Touch-and-sews.  My mother echoed that too, the first time she sewed
on my 99 -- no machine since she got rid of the old Singer has ever felt
right again!

Does anyone have a spare bobbin winder for a model 66?  I've got a 66
that the bobbin winder broke on, and I'd like to put the old girl back
into working order.

Date: 03 Oct 96 18:53:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Contribution

To all re manuals

Please tell me if you feel I am being oversensitive here.
I've just had the first complaint from a FWF  who received a manual.
Let me remind you that this is a free service offered to FWF by ISMACS -- you
don't even pay for the stamp which in mailing some manuals from Britain can be
up to $3 a time. I've just sent out a further 62 manuals so the cost can add 
What we offer is a basic copy of a manual to help people service, adjust and 
I now quote from the complaint:-
"I was disappointed to see that this was just a series of photocopied pages. I
thought that at least you would have stapled them together properly. This would
have made them easier to use and would not have taken you long to do. I also
notice that one page had a corner missing -- was this the best copy you had
Well, the answer to the missing corner is that in over 100 years of use these
things tend to happen and if this FWF wants a professionally produced reprint 
hammered velum paper with leather binding and gold block work on the spine, she
should go look elsewhere.

Date: 03 Oct 96 20:49:08 EDT
Subject: A FWF International Family Story...

Hi, FWF Friends,

I have an interesting story to tell, and it has all been made possible thanks 
my fine association with FWF this past year.  Our family name has a German
orgin, and about a month ago we started receiving e-mail, all of a sudden, from
a 27-year old Senitza family member living in Recklinghausen, Germany.  This
young man, Michael, located us by doing a surname search of his name (slightly
different spelling from ours) through Yahoo and that turned up my name on some
archived FWF digests.  We have been having a lot of fun exchanging e-mail back
and forth between Mesa, AZ and Recklinghausen the past month, and just getting
to know each other.  

About 20 years ago two great-Uncles visited Arizona from Recklinghausen, but
that is the only contact we have had with the European branch of the family in
several generations.  Can you believe that the Internet--and FWF in
particular--has made all this possible?!  Even though we are living the
experience and reaping the rewards, WE can hardly believe it ourselves.  I
always knew this was a great group to know for many obvious reasons--sharing
sewing machine information and good news about our discoveries, making new
friends; but I never in my wildest dreams thought it could be a factor in
reuniting relatives lost to each over over the decades.  Truly amazing--if
anyone else has had any similar experiences or good luck directly attributable
to FWF, please share it, too.  And, now once again, a very big, heart-felt
thanks to Sue Traudt, who brings some of us even more than she even guessed she
was doing!!  This entire past year has been a truly awesome experience for

Subject: White FW
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:55:17 +0000

I need help again.  When you look at a white FW, how can you tell the
condition?  There aren't any decals, so what do you look for?  The one I
found has perfect enamel, original motor, in fact everything original except
the belt.  She said those aren't available and it has the clear rubbery belt
on it.  It has a decent little green case, the original package of needles,
and several feet.  So how do I know if it's "good"?  The serial number
begins EV, which she says is 1951.  She's asking $300.  Should I go for it?
Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 10/2/96
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:30:12 

Hi All,
I am wondering if a Model 66 with a bentwood case is worth $60.  It works 
and looks wonderful.  Very clean and gold decorations.  I didn't buy it 
because I have no idea what I am buying.  It is a Singer I know, but from 
there I am lost.

Fran Me
Date: 03 Oct 96 21:49:39 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/2/96

To All FWF:

I recently purchased a BelAir 620 with manual, attachments in red tin box that
says ACCESSORIES and Sewing Machine on the top.  It also has a separate booklet
that explains the attachments and has a foot called an attachment foot.  You 
it on same as a presser foot and then different attachments fit on to it.
Haven't seen anything like it before so it is cool to me! The machine is
two/toned.  Cream on top and left side and red on the bottom.  It has a Good
Housekeeping seal on the front that has a refund or replacement guarantee if 
as advertised therein.  Wonder if that is still good?   Looks to me like it
may be a 1960's type but that is only a guess and the manual does not have a
date anywhere on it.  The motor says PREMIER on it &made in the USA.  On the
front of the machine it says Made in Japan.  It needs a little cleaning up and
there are no scratches on it at all!  It is a portable (it weighs a ton) and 
case is in very good condition also. Can anyone give me anymore info on this
machine, like who made this brand?  The sn# is K300728.  

Also would like for those of you have cleaned these old  machines to list the
products for us new feathers to use on our machines. I have several others that
could use some TLC but want to use the best products so as not to damage the
little darlings!  All help in this area is appreciated.

I enjoy the digest so much and look forward to it each &every day.  THANKS

Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:08:12 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/2/96

Re. T.R. Kelly's Repair Bench story.  I really enjoyed your post on the
repair of the motor of your 15-91.  I, too, had that sickening white smoke
from the motor of the first FW I purchases and thought I had just cooked my
FW's motor.  I was sick!  I called in my husband and pleaded with him to
check out the machine.  He took the motor apart and found the same problem
you described and cleaned the brushes, etc.  Since he is an aircraft
mechanic, I was trusting that he knew what he was doing!  I also got a long
lecture on motors and brushes and the like.  Nevertheless, the FW operates
beautifully and I now feel I have my own SM man.  Jean H
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:30:24 -0400
Subject: Re; FW newsletter

I have a Fw221K.    I have the older case with the lift out tray.  My mother
bought this machine second hand 30 plus years ago.  It was born on my
birthday, 10 years before I was born. ( I guess I was born on it's birthday)
 The oil can was never in there.  So if I look for one for my case it is
green?  Does anyone out there have one for sale?  If so please e-mail me.
 Thanks for your help.

Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:46:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: a handcrank for Wendy

I am sure that you all remember learning about 16 year old Wendy and her
need of a handcrank sewing machine. If not, the story is below:

'We have a sixteen year old student in our school that
everyone loves and would do anything for.  Last year a community person
lent Wendy her handcrank Singer to use in home ec.  You see, Wendy has
severe cerebal Palsy and cannot function in a regular classroom.  She
would crank away on her sewing machine while an aide would guide the
fabric.  Together they sewed a sweatshirt, a pillow, and a quilt.  But,
when the school year ended the lady with the sewing machine moved away,
taking her machine with her.  This year Wendy has sat and watched during
Home Ec, but was unable to participate.  Your machine will allow her to
do so.' 

Please know that a handcrank will be winging its way to Wendy's school
within a day or two! This machine is a model 27 in a bentwood case which I
have been advertising all summer for a friend. Had it on hold for a FWF
once, but in the meantime another crank was found. Then I had it on hold
again for Henrietta to pick up when she visits me early November. But after
hearing the plea for Wendy, Henrietta and I agreed that Wendy must have this
machine! It was meant to be!

Now, several of you have offered to contribute to make this all happen, and
your generosity is much appreciated.  Jan tells me that some money has
already been collected and that the student body is holding a fundraiser, so
at this point I do not know how FWF contributions will be handled.  As soon
as this is all worked out, I will communicate details via FWF.

I feel really good about this and I am sure you do too.  It is this FWF
forum that made this all come together!!  I know Wendy will be so pleased.

Thanks to all who make up this great FWF! Millie

Millie M
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 22:40:24 -0700
Subject: (no subject)

I'm looking for a singer featherwight 1210 sewing machine. please let me
know if one is for sale.

Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:08:07 -0800
Subject: yellow machine

Hi all, I hope Chris is going to let us see a picture of the bright yellow
machine! When can we view this wonder? I do think Graham's suggestion of
Elvis' picture worked into the paint job is maybe a wee bit over the top.
If you do decide to do that too, Chris, maybe you should consider a black
velvet cover with yellow satin lining to take it *way* over the top.
Nothing like excess.
        I like the idea of sewing on the airline, as Jean mentioned as
being possible, but have this *slight* misgiving that possibly a machine
wouldn't actually be allowed to be set up and sewn on. I'm going to the
Quiltmarket in Houston with friends, and envision a couple dozen or so
featherweights set up on the plane and some serious quilting going on.

Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 23:03:36 -0700
Subject: wanted

I'm a new quilter looking for a Singer Featherweighter. Please help me 
with information. I have seen other quilters use them, but in deed not 
totally sure what to look for when purchasing one. Your help and advice 
will be greatly appreciated. Did they make many models? What should I 
look for?  And what is a fair price?
Thanks for all your Help!
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:10:36 -0400
Subject: POST:  #3 V. S. and decals

To:  Maggie M
I, too, have a #3 Vibrating Shuttle and think it is one of the prettiest
machines I own. Have not located a manual for it, but other Vibrating Shuttle
manuals have been very helpful (#27, #127).  If you locate a manual, I would
be glad to pay for copying and postage.  Does your friend's #3 have the gold
roses on the bed (so pretty) or a different decal?  Mine is sn 10758350, born

Speaking of decals ... I am getting nervous! I like my machines to look
pretty, and so gravitate to the ones whose metalwork is bright and the
goldwork is intact.  Would a "new" decal be obvious to me?  As a collector, I
would hope it would either be obvious OR that a seller would be honest enough
to say it is not original to the machine.  Of course, if the machine gets
sold a couple times before it gets to me, such information might get lost.
 Is anyone else concerned about this?  I have a FW I would be willing to add
a decal to, to dress it up, but there is no way someone would not be able to
tell it was not original  - the rest of the machine is too far gone!  (I keep
it for sentimental reasons.)

Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:38:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Oh, no! Where does it stop?!?

Dear Feathered Friends: Well.... took the BERNINA from Sunday swap meet to
my repair guy. It's not a 642-2, it's a 640-2, and I guess that's a big
deal. He was very impressed with it, and said he sheldom sees them, because
people don't part with them. Late 50's or early 60's he says. He says people
are always looking for one, so if I want to sell it let him know and he will
put me in touch with a list of folks. Actually, the B stitched real well,
but smelled funny when I ran it... like a hot motor. No oil. Bone dry. It
needs some internal TLC. 
>Here is my dilema. While in the BERNINA shop dropping off the B - what do
my eyes behold? A little Singer with that rough-looking black finish. I
thought, "Aha! A Godzilla."  Never say one, but, could it be? My feet
pointed towards the dark dull black princess - they started to glade ever so
quickly, and quietly towards her perch. My arm stretched out fondly to wave
"hello", and my hand reached down under the gold decal trimmed body to give
a heft. How much do these Godzilla's weigh I was wondering? To my surprize,
the Singer was almost AIRBORN by my one-armed lift!!! WHAT!? The repair Guy
came running. "Don't throw my SMs around!" (he was thinking). It's a Singer
2700 made in Holland, and weighs 17 pounds. It's beautiful. It's old, cast
aluminum, like the FW, and small like a FW. It's now mine. The dilema is: I
can't buy a SM everyday. Can I? I'm going to call Singer's 800# and get the
details so I can properly adopt this one. I'm not stepping foot out of this
house for a week! Shannon
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 12:41:41 +0000
Subject: Singer 201?

Dear FWF's,
   I'm interested in obtaining a Singer 201 but have yet to find one 
in my area. Does anyone have any ideas as to where I might find one? I 
live in MA. You can e-mail me at Amishcrazy@aol.com or just post your 
response on FWF's.

                       Thanks so much,
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:06:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Grandmoms Singer Update

Thanks for all the support for my inherited old singer.  This is a great
digest and group of people! 

I haven't yet done anything with the bobbin - I'm a bit afraid for one,
but THAT I will conquer.  I bought a leather belt and need to adjust it
for the machine.  I got it thru the openings, around the wheel.  Now
I suppose I punch a small hole in the leather where it looks fitting,
cut off the excess, slip the staple thru, and tighten the staple.  Right?

OK, next, I called the 800 number for Singer.  It appears that the serial
number is C 779 67 07 - but it may be a "G" instead of the "C" - at least
that is what Singer assumes (there are no g-s).  The letter and trailing
two digits are printed, the other numbers are embedded - into the wood
plate.  The wood is worn away a bit and not easily readable.

From that info, it may be a Model 127 made January 6, 1920.  It sounds like
the date could be right on.  That was right before my mother was born, so
it would make sense that Grandmom would buy it then.

It is a bit dirty and gunky.  Bit of rust here and there.  But I have faith
that I can get it shining again.  Any tips on cleaning?  I'm reading some
of the older digests (I've fallen behind, I'm sorry to say) and getting

Anyone have a guess as to its monitary value?  
It is in a cabinet with 6 small ornate drawers (looks like key holes below
each); ironwork legs.  Dont know what other description would be 

Thanks again to you all.  I have quilted for about 20 years now, but NEVER
with a treddle machine - mainly by hand (newly by machine).  It may
be fun to try.

Judy K
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:18:20 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/3/96

To Graham:

No you are not being over-sensitive.  Shame on whoever sent that reply to
you.  And why on earth aren't you charging for photocopies?    It just isn't
fair to expect those costs to be absorbed.  Let's hope this was just a
temporary lapse of good manners.   and while I'm thinking of it, thank you
for all the wonderful stories and info you provide to all of us.

Date: 04 Oct 96 17:28:37 EDT
Subject: post

Hi All...

Back  from  the  wilds of Dallas, where we spent the weekend visiting with our 
oldest for his 30th Bday! Boy, talk about traffic, WOW!!!

Anyway,  we  made  it to Frank Smith's Sewing Machine Museum in Arlington (804 
W.  Abram)!  What  an  experience!  He's got over 150 machines on display plus 
about  50 toys! And all kinds of memorabilia and SM paraphernalia. At first he 
was  very  reluctant  to  let  me  take  pictures. After talking about SMs for 
awhile  and  dropping  a  few names (thanks Graham!), he acquiesced and let me 
snap  away  to  my  heart's  content.  At  the end, he actually started moving 
machines  around  so  I  could  get them in the "best light". Way Cool! It was 
great  to  actually see the machines I've read about in Carter Bay's book plus 
the  machines  talked  about  here  on  FWF.  Three  different versions of the 
'Sewhandy'  (Standard's,  GE's,  &Western Electrics'). Aunt Bea's own FW! And 
many  W&G,  Wilson  & Wheelers, Singers, etc. etc. And then the room with the 
pre-civil  war  machines  -  fascinating! I'll post some of the pictures on my 
web  page  in  the  next  few  weeks  for  all  to enjoy. I heartily recommend 
visiting  Frank's  museum - it's not everyday you get to see a reproduction of 
a sewing machine that's 11 feet wide and 7 feet tall!

On  the way back from Frank's, we stopped at the antique mall mentioned here a 
few  weeks  ago  (Antiqueland, 1300 Custer, Plano, TX). Saw: A 66 hand crank - 
$95;  A 128 Treadle (Phoenix) $295!; A 99 in Bent Wood case w/ knee bar - $95; 
A  "Crystal" batt operated toy - $35; A non-labeled 'Phoenix' on oak cabinet -
$595!!!;  An  old green Kenmore portable in a green case - $139!; A 'Viscount' 
reproduction  hand  crank  (first  I've  seen)  for  $185.  The machine was ok 
mechanically  and  perfect  cosmetically.  The  (bent  wood)  case was of poor 
quality. A rotary Boye Needle Case with a few wooden needle holders for $95.

Now,  the  *good*  news:  Found an 'AJ' FW in '8+' condition - $235 less a 10% 
discount ($211.50). It's got everything...

Subject: fw belt
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:25:50 -0400

Have afriend who has a white fw from great britan and it needs a new belt.
Know you can't get original, but does anyone know what the proper
replacement belt is and how we can get one?

thanks, Elaine B
Date: 04 Oct 96 17:48:03 EDT
Subject: Re: Contribution

Susan on desirability.
You ask why some machines are worth more than others. For the past 10 years
Maggie and I have been working on what we like to think will be the definitive
book on old sewing machines.. It's taking this long because for every question
we manage to answer during our research, another 10 are thrown up. And this 
be one book where there's no guessing done.

 There's no way it will have a price guide but what we plan are two other 
-- one to give an indication or how rare a machine is and the other to define
its desirability. The two are not necessarily the same.
You mentioned Florence. This is not a super rare machine but it's one that 
collector must have for a number of reasons
1) It has age. Florences were built in the 1860s and 70s.
2) It is one of the most attractive machines made.
3) It is an odd-ball design with a rocking arm and curved needle.
4) Fine build quality
5) It is one of the "magic names".

Let's look at the points more closely.
1) Age. Florences come from an era 125 years ago. At that time Wheeler and
Wilson was top dog and Singer hadn't hit the big time.
2) Look at that picture of Bobbie's Florence. It's covered with hand-painted
flowers and may have come with the silver-plated options.
3) Singer by the 1860 had standardized on design. There's nothing about a 
to make a modern engineer go wow! but the Florenece has everything going for it
in this context.
4) People just like finely engineered machinery from the past (vintage cars,
steam engines etc)
5) There are a few magic names and Florence is one of them. Others are Grover
and Baker, Newton Wilson from England, Willcox and Gibbs, Raymond etc. These
will always command a premium for almost undefinable reasons. Sadly, only one
Singer would get into the list. The Singer Turtleback of 1858 -- an ill-fated
attempt by IMS to  move into the domestic market.
The Turtleback doesn't meet all the criteria above -- the engineering was
appaling but it's super rare mainly because it was such a commercial disaster.
Sorry to go on attempting to explain the unexplainable. Until you have seen 
of the wonderous machines available out there, I guess you will just have to
take my word for it.
Almost finished now. 
There are hundreds of thousands of treadle machines out there. Probably only a
few percent are worth more than an antique dealer can get for a garden table

To all 

Sorry I got a little wound up about the "over sensitive issue" of the manual
complaint. On reflection I should have had a quiet cigarette and cooled down
before posting. But thanks a million to all those folk who sent me supportive

Graham F
Date: 04 Oct 96 18:35:21 EDT
Subject: post2

Hi FWF...

For  Graham  re:  Manuals...  You  give  'em  away,  I  sell them. We both get 
complaints.  Welcome  to the club... Some people will complain if you tried to 
hang them with a used rope...

For  Susan  re: White FW. BUY IT! BTW, the machine couples the upper 
section  with  the  lower  via a 'lugged belt' like the one on the machine you 
mentioned, unlike the FWs made in the USA...

For  Fran re: 66. I recently bought a 66 in a bentwood case. It was 
listed  at  $75,  but  the  seller gave me a 25% discount, so it was something 
like  $55  out  the door. I bought it 'cause the machine is almost perfect and 
will  look  great  in the library table that I'd bought earlier in the year. I 
gave the machine that was in the table to another here on FWF (see above).

For Jean H. re: brushes... Candle 'wicking' brushes is ok, I guess, but they
are  available  new  (from  us  and  others)  for just a few $$. And you know, 
believe  it  or  not,  I've only been doing the SM thing for a year or so, and 
I've  rebuilt  maybe  15 FWs - and I've never seen one that needed new brushes 
because  of  wear.  Just  two that needed replacement because of someone using 
oil  vs.  lube on the motor... Email me if you want our current price list for 
FW parts...

Bye  for  now  from  Chris
Date: Fri,  4 Oct 1996 19:11:45, -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/3/96

  Re: Barb mention of missing slide plate...WHY are they so often
missing???  I see a LOT of machines with missing plates.
  Barb...you mentioned a Vibra.  I saw one this morning at Salvation Army.
I often see machines with names I don't recognize, and always wonder if
they're any good.
  Wish there were some magic guide that we could pull out that says "YES,
it's not a Singer, but it's good...BUY IT",  or  "NO, R-U-N!!! IT's A
LEMON!"   g.

  Graham...regarding your first complaint about the quality of your
manuals...I don't think you are being too sensitive.  I do, however, think
someone missed a lesson in gratitude.
  I know MY MOM taught me to always say please and thank you...g... You
were kind enough to send me a manual for my 99K a few months back...well, I
thanked you before it got here, a COUPLE times!  And then again after it
was received!
  I am surprised that someone would have the audacity to complain about the
quality.   Shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth, eh?  Sheesh! It wasn't
as if they paid for it and deserved a refund!

  I think this is a really great service that you provide for us---so, I'll
say it again (&perhaps make up a little for the people that are not as
well mannered---g!)  ---THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!---

Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Singer 99K?

Dear Feathered Friends: I last told you of my shopping spree where I bought
an old black fuzzy looking, small, lightweight Singer (17 lbs) made of
aluminum. I also mentioned it was a model 2600. Wrong. That's the model
number of the motor - which I suspect has been added to (an originally)
handcrank machine. I called Singer with the serial number Y724360, to learn
that according to their records it is a 99K made 8-1-1922. I double checked
with the shop owner, and he said, "No way, I knew 99K and she's no 99K".
Went back to the phone. Called Singer. Reported the opinion of shop owner.
Singer double checked. Guess what. It is a special edition of the 99K. Only
4500 of them were made. Is this relic the ancestor of our beloved FW's.
That's where the gene comes from - the little, light weight 99K's. My DIL
has a real solid 99K - I'm going to take this little one to her house on
Saturday to compare. Does anyone else out there have one of these aluminum
fuzzy 99K's? 

DOMESTIC - this is going to be my last blathering about my sweet Domestic
treadle. She's back from the shop. Purrs like a kitten. Sews the best stitch
in the house. Uses regular needles #80/12. Only difference to note: the fly
wheel turns away from you when sewing, instead of towards you like the
singers (and maybe others).

FIND: My sweet Mother has got the sewers collecting bug. But she picks up
stuff for me, not her. Yesterday she brought me a small electric chrome iron
made by Singer Sewing Machine Co. - label on the end has a serial number
676538, and it is a Model T. It is 7" long. It has a cloth covered cord that
is black with white "dashes" woven in. The cord unplugs from the iron. The
handle is black - either wood or a composite - but not plastic. Didn't know
Singer made irons. New fun everyday.   Shannon
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 22:11:56 -0500
Subject: Great source for parts

Just recieved my featherweight part that I needed many thanks to Singer
Factory Sales and Service Center in Syracuse NY. 1-800-321-7397. They
were very nice and plenty willing to help me find my elusive part..	Two
new machines one a AK model Featherweight and the other a Eldredge	
which I spent more on replacing the shuttle and belt than on the machine
itself. The Singer is in near perfect condition except for a little
pitting on the silver side plate, the case has a little mildew, any
suugestions on how to cope with that? All the attachments, book, the
taller singer oil can and a buttonholer it certainly wasn't a $25.00
garage sale deal but has possibilities. The Eldridge is in pretty good
shape but the case is really ratty, since the machine is so unusual I'll
probably keep it for my sm collection.
Yesterday DH replaced the foot rocker and arm on a treadle had to scab
out a better one to refurbish the darling of the owner... wht lengths we
go to to keep our treasures from the past...Nancy
Subject: Stuff
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 21:47:17 EDT


FINALLY!  I got one of those Absolutely Wonderful Little Finds....not an
SM, but almost as good....went to a rummage sale nearby...have always
loathed them and have been avoiding them...no more!  Most the kind of
yukky things that made me not like them.  Then I thought I should look
under the tables, moving along, moving along, old suitcases, broken down,
wouldn't take as a gift..then I saw an ugly little grey plastic
case....couldn't figure out what would be in it...said RCA Victor
(collectible itself!), bent over and snapped the opening a speck...saw
SINGER STUFF...slammed it shut, ran to mom and said...look what I
found...so we cruise up to the pay place..they open it, yuk, yuk..white
chalk powder all over everything, looks Un-Good (to them)..so they say: 
how about........$2!?!  For once, I didn't bargain, said I would sell my
blood or some such thing, but forked over the 2bucks and ran out of
there....what I got,....what I got...I'm soooo happy.  Follows my $2.00
worth of treasures:

1.  201-2  Manual, 1939
2.  15-91 Manual, 1951
3.  EMBROIDERY ATTACHMENT (I have never seen one, except a
picture!!!!)#26538, along with the Instruction sheet, in box (box a bit
shabby).  It's cute.
4.  Blind Stitch thingy...#160616, with direction sheet (no box)
5.  Flat Work Darner, (Box shabby) with instruction #36088 - 1941
6.  A pristine box of Singer Attachments (#160809) 9 in total, with a
screw and big plain screwdriver.  A tube of Lubricant (old one) included,
semi-poor condition
7.  Two sort of cover plates?  maybe for darning?  no numbers
8.  Messy sort of container with Singer White Marking Powder (the messy
look in the case!)
9.  A Zigzagger (in box, looks like never used, wifh the 3 red cams and
instructions, 1956, #161102.
10. ButtonHoler (#160606) the old green case with snap, also looks new,
with 4 templates, and
11. A separate small box of 4 templates for button holer (#160506 &
160743) is on box.

So, this Made My Day...I've been smiling ever since...

To Barb :

Where to put the little darlings?  This is not easy to answer, although
you don't have to  be discreet as to where you put them...Imagine how
hard it is for some of us, like me who have to be creative in putting
them SomePlace so as to not be immediately visible to dh's eyes....do you
have a house or apartment?  You could make a sort of pyramid against one
wall...get or make a sign and put it over, so it could be sort of a
living Montage of sorts....you get the idea...I think it presents great
opportunities for you to develop your creativity..we should take pictures
of our hidden and visible stashes and show to the FWF...would be Very

About the Cleaning thing:

I also swear by Simple Green for Cleaning nicely...some day, when I save
up the $$, I'm gonna get some of Bobbie's Howard stuff...they should give
her a case of the stuff for all her testimonials...imagine if they knew
she has influenced Feathers around the world to use their product....she
deserves it , along with the fact that she's probably one of their
Biggest Users!!! 

Bobbie:  I'm glad you put that out about the head and the treadle staying
together...but if the wood is really miserable, and you had a choice of
another equally old but better treadle, what would you do?

PS:  mom &I had a question:  on the black 301, the Singer Manufacturing
Company on the top...is that supposed to be gold?  Ours is very faint,
without gold, just there...

A 185 was offered for $80, which seemed too much to me...it weighs at
least 500 pounds, but Bobbie had such a glowing + about it, it makes me
wonder about it...

To Graham:

I can't BELIEVE what you said...I know it's true, it just I'm appalled at
the utter crassness of the person who complained about your free manual
sent to them out of the kindess of ISMACs at your/their expense...there's
expression we use here in the Colonies...Never look a Gift Horse in The
Mouth.  I hope the cranky ingrate wises up...I think you were absolutely
correct to respond as you did, and you were probably more  than I
would have been!  Boy, oh boy!  I've been very lucky since I've joined
the FWs....everyone is so nice and caring and cooperative and helpful and
understanding...and funny and considerate...I don't think I left too much
out as to virtues...vices?  i can't think of any...

To Fran :

I think $60 is reasonable to get a nice 66 with nice case.  Of course, I
usually am compelled to bargain...the worse thing that could happen is
they might not barter, but even so, seems good to me!  I've got 3 in the
wood cases...they were a little less, not much, but I got them awhile
ago..so act accordingly, and good luck.  Remember, one can NEVER have too
many....(good thing DH is not computer literate or even remotely
interested in anything to do with SMs beyond what I relate to him
verbally, and then, he's being patient/tolerant...sometimes you just HAVE
to share!

To Jean H:

I shudder at the prospect of white smoke...and taking the motor apart...I
know it's coming, but it scares me....anything with electricity scares
me....do you rent out your dh..I couldn't figure out where you
live...it's my dream to get a best friend who is or has a dh SM Genius!!!
 I'm looking....so far, nada.  You are SOO lucky, Jean!  Mine has other
great virtues, but repair of any sort is not on the list....

To Marcia:

Re:  Singer FeatherWeight 1210:  I think you must have the model number
wrong....you mean a 221, I hope...I never saw a 1210.  I saw a New Model
of Plastic FW at a Singer place last week, forgot the number, but it's
not the 324 I saw a year or so ago, and it sells for $169.95, plus tax...

This posting is from Juno.com...it's been great so far, especially the
price(NONE)...for those of us who have to be very careful about time on
line for E-Mail because of cost, this is the way to go...it's very user
friendly...at least to me..I haven't figured out how to get the Icon, but
otherwise, COOL!.

Subject: New Updates
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:37:09 -0500

Hello All!
Well I just finished going to a HTML programming class, so I've updated my
web site to reflect what I've learned.  check it out! (Course it has FWF
info on it too!)


Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 22:08:32 +0000
Subject: AAARGH!! 

The one Friday I don't leave for work early and get a paper, there 
was a FW at a garage sale being held Fri. and Sat.  I saw it in the 
paper one of my coworkers had.

Being a good employee (but stupid), I waited until lunch to go check 
it out.  It had been sold... for $65.  I could have cried.

Maybe tomorrow will be different.  There's a garage sale advertised 
as a sewer's dream, and the ad lists an old Singer for $20 (pray it 
won't rain).

Sharon (still kicking myself)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 22:13:27 +1000 (EST)
Subject: My speciasl husband

>On Wednesday  my DH and I celebrated our 26th Wedding Anniversary my gift
from him was a 222k Featherweight  complete with buttonholer , ZigZag
attachements plus all the usual in a case (one small rip on the inside)
machine is  a 9.99999 and sews like a dream. Now does he know what will make
me happy or what?
He thought he might have done the wrong thing because it was a 222k and not
a 221k !!!!
I was at the antique shop the other day and picked up a little jug  with
Jones Sewing machines Est 1859  on it . Does anyone know anything about
Jones  machines please?
Subject: Old McCalls SM Ads, etc.
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:50:36 +0000

I really enjoyed TR's repair story.  It made me want to go tear something
apart. Actually I do have an old Singer that belonged to DH's sister and
that went through a fire.  It's been in our shed since the repairman said it
wasn't worth fixing.  I'm not even sure what model it is.

Someone's post sent me checking through my collection of McCalls magazines
(late 50's-early 60's) for sewing machine ads.  I keep these because I like
the Betsy McCall paper dolls.  (BTW, the 8" Betsy doll was $2.25 and boy am
I mad at my mom for not getting me one!)  Not a lot of SM ads--I found one
Necchi, one Pfaff, one Necchi-Elna, one White, a couple for machines I'd
never heard of, and the following Singer ads:

The 401a was quite obviously the "big deal" in this era since every ad I
found featured it prominently.  These are all from McCalls magazine and the
cover price was 35 cents!  

December 1957, p. 25.  This was the best ad, although it doesn't give any
model numbers and the photos aren't large enough to show them.  It shows the
"new Singer Slat-O-Matic" (the 401a, cocoa &cream); the "popular
Slant-Needle Singer. Only straight-stitching machine with a needle that
slants forward . . " (cocoa&cream); the "Streamlined Straight-Needle Singer
. . . perfect straight stitching (light green); "Famous FEATHERWEIGHT
Portable" (black, needs no further description :); the "Extra-Value Singer
Portable" (looks like my 99K, in the cordovan/yellowish case, although the
case in the photo looks red/white).  Also shows 6 cabinets -- American
Console, French Provincial, Modern Console, American Modern Desk,
Traditional Desk (no stool), Bow Front Console.  A car ad in this issue was
for a Plymouth with humongous tail fins!

March, 1959, p. 27, full-page ad for "The Young Budget Singer", shows large
picture of green machine, smaller pics of cabinet &case, price $119.50.
"Sews beautifully backward and forward."  Is this the 185J I've seen
mentioned? Also "see the new Spartan Portable only $69.50." (no picture)

December 1960, p. 72, large photo of 401a ("For Women Who Dream Big");
smaller photos of Slant-Needle Deluxe "available as a portable or in a wide
range of cabinet styles"; "Singer 'Young Budget' machine with complete set
of attachments.  "The Spartan...handy economy model . . . back-tacking,
drop-in top bobbin.  Only $59.50 (looks like 99K w/no decals or model tag).  

May 1959, p. 34, two page spread has great pics of the 401a "Famous
Slant-O-Matic"; the Slant-O-Matic Special "many features of the
Slant-O-Matic at a lower price. Comes with a set of Fashion Discs . . .;"
and the Slant-Needle Deluxe, "the ultimate in straight-stitching machines."
(all cocoa/cream) And, of course, "See the new Spartan Portable, only
$69.50"  (no picture)

October 1960, p. 50, full page with large pic of 401a "What is zig-zag
sewing?" Eleanor Roosevelt was still writing a column at at this time.

I hope you don't mind this long post.  I thought perhaps some of you might
want to find ads to match your machines.  The only ones I have (in the ads)
are the 99K and the FW.  Does anyone know what the 401a cost new?

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 10:02:07 -0400
Subject: Singer 201

Hi FWF's,
    I'm in the market for a 201 but have yet to find one in my area (I live
in MA). If anyone has one for sale or knows where I might search for one, I
would love to hear about it. You can e-mail directly  or
just post it on FWF's. Thanks in advance for your help.
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 11:10:46 -0400
Subject: Maggie who?

In scanning the 9/16 separate list of machines for sale the email address was
stripped from someone named *Maggie in NY* who said she had a Strawbridge and
Clothier machine.  I am very interested in this as my mother-in-law is a
Strawbridge.  Can you tell me Maggie's address?  thanks Henrietta
Date: 05 Oct 96 12:49:17 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 10/3/96

dear graham
please ignor the person who complained !!!!
unfortunatley these people exist in everything and everywhere.
i work for cserve and i know for a fact normal people can become overbearing
,boorish and totally lacking in any manners when they think(i use the word
loosely) that they can be. it istheir only outlet to reality.  unfortunately
those of us who do appreciate the effort you put into helping and educating
about sm(singers especially)
need to tell you so more often.
ttfn and thanx for all the good work
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:15:12 GMT
Subject: Time to Unlurk

I have been lurking on this list the last several months and can't ever seem 
to find time to post, partly because I know it will be long.  I have yet to 
find a FW without paying top dollar (even have my boss looking now!) but 
have really been bit by the SM bug!  So far I have acquired the following:

Wilson &Gibbs treadle in a nice cabinet with one drawer and extension arm.  
It has the original manual.  Ser. No. is  A389380 if you could help me date 
it Graham.  The machine is well used, all decals are worn off, only if you 
look real careful can you see they were there, some paint along the humped 
part is also worn.  Otherwise it is in good condition.  Needs a new belt but 
it should sew.

Treadle made by A.G. Mason.  It says Rotary Special on the front of the 
machine.  No idea how old, last patent date is 8/27/1912, Ser # FR 7043195.  
It is in a really beautiful 4-drawer cabinet with wood carving on the 
drawers and a wreath carved in wood on the front section.  It too needs the 
belt replaced before I can sew on it.  The front cover of the owners manual 
said "The New Family Rotary Sewing Machine" and has  a letter inside dated 
Dec. 17, 1913.  It reads, "Mr. Webster, I saw one of your machines and I 
will pay you $45.00 cash and my old machine when machine is delivered if it 
is a new one and my wife can use it as she likes and if the machine is like 
the one in (2 words I can't read).  I will take it."  J.W. Booth  North 1/2. 
  Several bobbins, lots of thread, box of Rotary attachments.  The front of 
the drawers wrap around the front of the cabinet so there is a little 
compartment.  One drawer has a pin cushion in this space, covered with 
purple velvet, filled with sawdust and just fits in the compartment.

Then, I have bought several Singers the last few weeks.  2 portable hand 
cranks that a woman brought with her from England 8 years ago.  She said 
they were still using the hand cranks in Home Ec classes when she left.  (Is 
that still true, Graham?)  One has a wood coffin ( breadbox? I don't know 
which is which) type cover, the other has no cover.  Paint is chipped along 
the front of the beds on both of them, some rust on the bobbin plates.  Is 
there any way to get the rust off?  Both need a lot of work, but DH was so 
enamored by them I'm hoping he will be interested enough to work on them 
this winter.  One,   Ser. No. Y3766868, Singer says it is a 128K, made in 
Scotland 11/24/1925.  The other is a 66K,  made in the Philippines only a 
6-month period, Dec - June.  For some reason I either didn't get the year or 
forgot to write it down,  Ser. No. is F1563932--do you know what year Graham?)

My boss called last Sat. to say he saw an old Singer at a yard sale.  I 
called on Sunday, it was still there and the man said he would sell it for 
$35 because it was so old.  Of course, I brought it home too!  Has the fold 
out box of attachments, no manual, shuttle bobbin with 9 extra bobbins.  
Very nice portable wood case with small drawer on left side.  I think is was 
a treadle at one time that was electrified?  Motor on it is very old and it 
doesn't have a foot pedal--although there is place to plug one in.  Upper 
scroll work is good--has birds on the corner-- but the bed is well used with 
some paint chips along front.  No rust but needs a good cleaning.  Singer 
says it is a Model 27 made 3/16/1903 in Elizabeth, NJ.

Also bought a 301A from a former SM repairman.  He has a closet full of 
SM's, some Singers but mostly other brands.  Showed me a Pfaff from 1953 
that is straight stitch and zig zag only that ran good and is about as quiet 
as my new Pfaff.  He wants $150 if anyone is interested.  Said I would put 
his phone no on the net and he was excited:  Bob Ulen, 509-624-5891.  Also 
had another old machine, can't remember the name--stated with an F-- that 
was made in The Netherlands, is light green, has smooth rounded corners, 
straight stitch only,  and looks real heavy.  The 301A is the two tone, I 
really want a black one, sews good, but doesn't have a manual.  I can now 
see why bobbin cases for FW's and 301's are so expensive.

The last two machines I have are a 99 and 66 in cabinets.  I've had the 66 
about 3 yrs and bought it because it looked just like the one I traded in on 
a new Singer in the early 70's.  Always wished I would have kept it.  It was 
made in 1941 and sews good but needs to be cleaned &oiled good.  The 99 was 
made in 1935.  The machine is in top shape cosmetically, but the thread 
spindle is missing and it needs a new cord on it.  I got a 66 manual copy 
from a friend that is also on this list but need a copy of a 99 manual.  
Also would like to get copies of manuals for the 128K and 27 if you let me 
know who has them.

I know this is long, but thanks for listening.  I really enjoy the FWF list 
a lot!!

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:02:06 -0400
Subject: Tan featherweight

Hi all!

Just to let everyone know, I saw a tan fw for sale at the Chelsea antique
show today.  It looked in good condition and the black box did also.  I
did'nt actually examine it though.  The lady is selling it at her booth for
someone else who is also a collector.  The price was $575.  I don't know if
that is too high for a tan one.  If anyone is interested, email me privately
and I will give you her phone number.  The model number on it was 221J.  Are
these made in Canada?

Take care 

Terri J
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:14:49 +0000
Subject: finds and horrors

First, my finds.  I bought an old sewing cabinet (for lack of a 
better word).  It's one of those sewing boxes on two legs.  It was 
$40.  I saw an electric 15 in not too good shape ($15).  The lady selling 
it had the bobbin case in the cabinet drawer.  I put it in for her 
and told her that they aren't cheap and someone may not buy it if it 
isn't there.  Also saw a little machine made by Cromwell.  Godzilla 
finish, in a cabinet the size of an end table.  Cute, but I have no 

Now the horrors.  I saw an Eldgredge treadle with a head in 9 
condition.  Unfortunately, the owner had painted the cabinet 50's pink 
when she was a teenager in the 50's.  It was hideous.  They were 
asking $55.  Then, at an antique store, I saw a treadle 15 with the 
sphynix design that had been turned into a lamp ($155).  This was the 
first time I had seen one of these.  It was a sad sight.

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:49:43 -0400
Subject: odds and ends

I treated my #1 FW to a tuneup (and got the controller rewired).  When I
picked it up today, my SM repairman let me browse thru his box of odds and
ends.  I have had pretty good luck with this in the past.  This time I came
up with a clear plastic Singer seam ripper and yet another sm needle
threader.  Two months ago, I didn't know this item existed.  I've now got
three of them!!  No, I never have any luck on inexpensive FWs, but this kind
of makes up for it.  this machine needle threader is not like the dachshaund.
 It is Simanco #121632.  Keep an eye out for it.  I also found five of the
old FW bobbins.  Made my day.

Subject: Another new address!
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 22:25:12 -0400

Hi Folks.

Once again have a NEW e-mail address.Don't ask.......... but I listed items
in the for sale list on Saturday while still using the old one.All replies
to old address will bounce.Heres my new one.Please write me back if
something interested you.Thanks for listening.

Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 23:01:10 -0400
Subject: Special (?) 201?

We recently got a 201 in gorgeous condition, save for lack of case or
cabinet, and it seems to be an unusual specimen. The serial# is
AF886558, born, according to Singer, in 1942. When I described it to our
sm mechanic, he was a bit surprised by the particular details,
especially the oval plate on top. This is in the same place as the
removeable plate on the FWs, with the spool pin on it. But, this one is
about 2" x 3/4", scrolled chrome, with two oil holes and a spool pin in
the middle. The plate is firmly fixed to the head, and the pin is
friction-fit. The mechanic showed us one he had, with the head being
solid up there (no plate) and a threaded spool pin. Our 201 has the
scrolled chrome round rear plate, FW-style scroll on the chrome
faceplate, blocky art-deco gold scroll on the bed, and a chrome-edged
handwheel. Also, I've read on the digest that the 201 is a 3/4 head --
This one is definitely full-sized! (As big and heavy as our 66-1). Do we
have some kind of wartime-industrial 201, or is this just a common
variation that we and our mechanic have never seen? And, what kind of
case or cabinet may this have originally come in?

Clay (&Shelly)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 96 22:27:54 +0100
Subject: There's one in every crowd!

To Graham who gives so much and just wrote:

"Please tell me if you feel I am being oversensitive here.
I've just had the first complaint from a FWF  who received a manual.
Let me remind you that this is a free service offered to FWF by ISMACS -- you
don't even pay for the stamp which in mailing some manuals from Britain can be
up to $3 a time. I've just sent out a further 62 manuals so the cost can add 

No, you are not being oversensitive.  Rudeness is never an appropriate thank
you  for a free service.  Hopefully, you don't encounter this attitude very
often.  I don't know if this is an expression used in England, but you could
just shake your head, roll your eyes and say with a sigh, 'There's one in
every crowd.'

I had no idea you were reproducing and mailing so many manuals and I just
asked for one myself.  Please be assured that when I receive mine, I will be
very, very pleased.  And a thank you also for all the help you freely give
on a daily basis.

Jan D

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