Featherweight Fanatics Archives

April 1996

Sunday, April 21 - Saturday, April 27


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Date: 21 Apr 96 11:21:25 EDT
Subject: contribution

Hi folks

Just got back from the ISMACS Convention -- 172 sewing machine collectors from
all round the world spending three days at the London meeting and then 21 going
as a group to sewing machine museums in Germany and Holland. It all went great
and when I get my act together I'll post some auction price details.
 In the meantime, and to get your curiosity into gear, would you believe a
world-record $13,200 for a toy sewing machine?
Will post again soon and clear the queries in my mail box.

Graham F, ISMACS, London
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Date: 21 Apr 96 11:21:42 EDT
Subject: Contribution

It was a very rare 1860s Queen Bess Sewing machine, in outstanding condition 
and
the price was more than reasonable. We were in the living romm of a pleasant
middle-aged couple in the Bristol area who had rung to offer us the machine.
The man of the house explained how they had come by it. Seems he was a builder
and, having agreed the price errected a fence around the property of a very
senior citizen, called at the door, announced he was finished and would like to
be paid. 
The VSC responded, saying that she didn't have any money but would cook him
breakfast for the next month in lieu of payment.
Our builder's wife didn't appear too happy at this prospect and the fence was
written off as a bad debt.
A couple of years later the old lady rang again. She wanted new glass put in a
window. After some pressure she agreed to conventional payment -- no 
breakfasts, or any other meals, in lieu.
When the job was finished she again pleaded poverty and handed over a paper
sack. The builder stormed off. When he got home he examined the old sewing
machine that the sack contained, shrugged, put the whole thing down to
experience and consigned the machine to the attic.
Four years passed before the machine came to mind after the builder and his 
wife saw Maggie, my SO, on a TV show about collecting. He made contact, we did a deal, and left him pondering that although the price he got was more than 
enough for the window he wasn't really sure if it covered the fence as well.
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 14:20:55 -0400
Subject: CocaCola tin machine

Katy -- I have a reproduction CocaCola tin with a picture of a lady in a
yellow dress sitting at a black gear-driven sewing machine.  Next to her is a
little girl with a pink dress is holding a tray with a coke bottle and a
glass.  I have identified the machine as a Singer 101.  I was given the tin
as a present (filled with cookies), then I found the matching machine!

Christine in the California Delta
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 14:19:43 -0600
Subject: Sometimes I live right.....

Well, you all know how I was nattering on and on about whether to buy the
128-23 for $75 despite the missing spool pin, missing 1/2 of the throat
plate, and missing bobbin shuttle.  Sigh.  So yesterday I wandered off to
distract myself from making the purchase, hoping that the mood would pass
because I do have other things to spend $65 (yes, the owner would go down
to $65, if you recall).

To make a long story longer than necessary, I had a nice time wandering and
may still go back to buy a really crudded up old Singer I saw, $15, I think
it's a treadle without any table or belt, but might be fun to putter
with.... and I also found (but passed on) a buttonholer in its original box
for a slant needle, even though it was very reasonably priced.

I thought I had talked myself out of buying the 128.  But as I reflected on
the other machines I saw (a FW for $250 in, at best, a condition of 3 or 4,
a treadle for $185 in about a 6 condition), I thought, okay, so maybe this
128 is a pretty good deal after all.

After lunch today I went off to deliver old newspapers to the local animal
shelter (they use them for bedding and such), which took me past the shop
where the machine was waiting.  I'd about decided to buy it.  Well.... the
sign in the shop window said "50% Off."  Gulp.  On my way back from the
shelter I stopped in, thinking that I would discover that a) only the
jewelry was 50% off (or some other equally useless -- to me --
merchandise), or b) everything was 50% off but the machine would be gone.
Oh joy oh joy.  It was still there and everything but furniture was on
sale.  Hee hee hee.  So I came home with a worn but working 128-23,
vibrating shuttle machine.  I'm going to clean it up this afternoon with
WD-40, and apply some Murphy's Oil Soap to the bentwood case.  Oh yes, and
it came with the original manual, 8 attachments and 4 bobbins, 2
screwdrivers, and a package of 4 very rusty size 11 machine needles
(Singer, of course!).  Two fo the attachments are zipper feet... one says
Singer, Great Britain; the other has no number or trademark at all.

Now I'm in the market for a spool pin; a key for the case; a bobbin
case/shuttle; and a throat plate (the rear half only, if possible).  If you
have any of these, or know where I can get them, please email me.

Sorry for taking up so much room, but I just can't help myself.  This is
one of the few times in my life when procrastinating really paid off. :)

Lisa
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Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 4/20/96
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 16:29:19 -0500

OK, y'all, I know that my DDDH (Darling, Delightful, aDorable Husband) 
told you I didn't know about "my" "new" FW, but our two year old met me 
at the door last night singing "Papa got a NUUU sewsheen!  Papa got a 
NUUU sewsheen!".  So he couldn't lie.  And he did a good job of cleaning 
it up - externally.  The case is still pretty icky.  Spider poop.  I get 
all the fun work.  And the really odd part is that it was HIS birthday 
yesterday!  Anyhow, it is really in pretty good shape - a couple of 
rough spots where the gold is worn on the front, chips at the bottom of 
the base, the plug socket is broken ( I have another with that problem, 
does anyone else?).  no attachments, no feet.  1 bobbin.  That woman 
didn't sew much!  So I'll be cleaning up tomorrow.  Today I have to make 
a lemon pie for him, in thanks (and for his birthday).  I won't tell how 
little he paid, I think it would be a new low.  I was teaching yesterday 
(machine quilting) and I wondered why he wanted me to take my FW so 
badly...

Anyhow, yesterday my boss told me that someone called and asked if they 
wanted to purchase a FW and she told them no!!!!!! I asked her to PLEASE
let me know next time, and she has my permission to give out my number
for old machines.  I was ashamed to admit that I want to buy them just
because I love them...

BTW, what happened to the Pfaff Fan club?  I can't find it any more!  I 
didn't keep the address, can anyone help me?

And I DO TOO need two FW, because I'm having a sewing bee.  So I need to
set them all up in one place, right?  Can't do that with big machines!

Sherrie (and Tim) where we had GREAT T-storms last night,
and the hail (golf ball) all fell on the airbase!
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 14:49:10 -0700
Subject: Reply to Kathy's msg, re: needles

I have the same questions you have Kathy.  I've forwd. your inquiry to my 
Online Sewing Machine Repair/Technician; let's see what he has to say
in answer.

Gotta tell ya'll ..............I wasn't even looking, cause the FW's didn't 
have the
"appeal" for me, that the Older Singers do......but yesterday, came upon two
FW's........neither would run; one......AH206446 [probably a 1946] has a lot
of wear......not bad, but was used.  The other one, AG617734...[probably a 
1941].......now that one is a 'honey'; great condition.

Because I read EVERY word printed on the FWF's list,  and have read and 
re-read Nancy Johnson-Srebro's book on FW's, I just began taking apart, 
and cleaning those two machines.....one at a time.....well, as most have 
indicated here.....one had a needle which was so long......[I don't know what
type of machine it was meant for, but it wasn't for the FW's] that it was 
jammed
in the bobbin mechanism.  

The other one had a thread nest in the bobbin area, and someone replaced
the bobbin case incorrectly....

They both have all attachments, screw drivers [originals] but no lube or 
oilcan.

Now they purrrrrrrr and are so neat!  

Has anyone ever taken the light bulb out and tried to get it back in?  I spent
nearly an hour, cause my hands are too big, and the shade prohibited me from
getting a grip on the bulb, pushing it and then trying to turn it towards 
me...oh 
well

Also...if you take off the screw assembly which holds the needle in, along with
that little hook-like thing that the needle goes into......beware.....that's 
another
hummer to get back!  But now I'm an old pro at it...

One of the FW's has the Buttonholer, in the original box, with the user's 
manual.
That buttonholer looks like a device for torture (grin)
-=Bobbie=-
P.S. Kathy, really glad to see you found the FWF's and are enjoying it!
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 17:58:08 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/20/96

I answered Chris (with the long good story) about the latches and then
thought that maybe my information may not be generally known.  I put a shot
of DW-40 into the stuck mechanism of the latch and work it back and forth.
I then put a drop of regular Sewing machine oil in it.  Once it rusts, you
really have to do this about once a year.

I also found a shoe repair shop that  repairs luggage and they replaced
latches for  me at a very reasonable price.  They also carry buckle-on
handles that work very well.

Jean---PS I'll be in Paducah
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Subject: Information on restoring Old Singer
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:39:00 +1000

Hi.
I am currently restoring an old singer sewing machine. It is a peddle
powered machine on a cast iron base with a veneer cabinet that allows
the machine to retract. The last Patent Stamp on it is January 1891. I
will supply the serial number if that helps.

I have fixed up the base and am about to re vinier the cabinet top but I
am stuck with what to do with the actual machine. The machine was being
used up until the start of the year so the pattern on the machine has
been badly worn along the base of the machine and across the middle of
the machine where it has been handled to put in and out of the case. Is
there stencils I can pick up to re do the patterns, or a book that has
life size copies that I can trace from? I would also like to get my
hands on the correct paint used?

The other problem is also the actual black paint. It was obviously
fairly dull so I went to give it a buff. All that happened was the paint
started to come off with no increase in shine!!!! So what do I do here?
Take it back and repaint it? If so where can I get the correct paint.

I am doing all this from Australia so it would be nice to get an
Australian contact number for any supplies I need but no hassles if not
as I am sure the postman could help me out.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Craig J
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Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 4/20/96
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:35:40 -0600

Help - I should have paid closer attention - there's a little Singer for 
sale in a shop near here - I'm not interested in it, but maybe someone 
else is - it doesn't look at all like a regular sewing machine.  It was 
belt driven, apparently mounted to some sort of base, but it no longer 
is.  I assume it was a treadle of some sort - the markings on it are 20
42128
Simanco

E482198

It also has 81-22 on it, and one of the attachments is numbered 42237~

At any rate, it looks more like a modern day serger - it has something 
that comes from below that looks just like a lower looper -20

It's not in great condition - rust on the Singer plate and scratches on 
the paint - very utilitiarian, no fancy trim, and it's $125. What date 
FWFanatics has Graham's rating scale in it?  I need to review!  If 
anyone recognizes this item and is interested, I'll put you in touch 
with the shop~  they're quite interested in learning more about it, and 
I told them I would pass along any info you experts could provide.    
TIA      Susie
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 22:01:36 -0700
Subject: Singer Sewing Machine

Greetings,

My Mom and Dad have a 1934 Singer Sewing machine that still works, and I 
was wondering how I can find out how much its worth.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
George S.
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 23:02:04 EDT
Subject: FW case 

Hi everybody:  So glad I found this great information spot on my 
computer.  Havent been on but about a week but have really had fun 
reading all the info about machines and attachments.

My question is:  Has anyone ever re-finished a FW case?  Can you tear 
the old black fabric off and start all over?  I saw a beautiful all 
wood case and the man said it was an old FW case that had just been 
varnished.  I would prefer to recover with fabric but dont know 
exactly how.  Would appreciate any help.

Another question:  I see all the different model numbers being tossed 
around and I have no idea what machine is being discussed.  Is there 
a book somewhere that lists Singer models and maybe pictures of them ?


Rita Gunter
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 96 20:59 PDT; 
Subject: tan FW

Hi, I rarely post - however, consistently lurk and even though lurking has
afforded me a wealth of information, entertainment and camaraderie, I need
some support so that buyer's remorse does not over-take my sunday evening.
Friday, I purchased a "tan" FW .  Why?  Because I wanted it..
I paid what seems to me a small fortune, and to DH a large one.  Anyway, It
came with a case (good condition) and a green "jetson" buttonholer.  It
seems to be a 7 or 8 on the Forsdyke scale.  

 221J on front of machine - SN  JE 158888.

Called Singer they said - made in St.Johns, Canada. - no information on dob.

Have I done good?  Accolades or Condolences?

Marida M
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 22:45:41 -0600
Subject: Needles &Nancy Johnson-Srebro's book on FW's

Bobbie K wrote on Apr 21:

>I have the same questions you have Kathy.  I've forwd. your inquiry to my 
>Online Sewing Machine Repair/Technician; let's see what he has to say
>in answer.

 Re needles:
When I took my glasses off!! and really looked at the needle that was 1/8"
longer, it was also a Schmetz needle.  The eye placement is the same as the
current Schmetz Universal.  Are some Schmetz needles longer, or maybe only
older ones?

>Because I read EVERY word printed on the FWF's list,  and have read and 
>re-read Nancy Johnson-Srebro's book on FW's

I am new to the list and I am sure this has been asked before, but from whom
may I purchase a copy of this book.  Are there any Canadians on this list
who know of a Canadian source?  If not, I can ask my parents in the U.S. to
order for me.

Next dumb question:  I am so happy to have the two FW's, partly because they
sound so nice, partly because I remember using one at school 40 years ago
and thinking it was a dream because it had reverse and partly because I
enjoy this list so much and wanted to really  be a part -- What do you all
use the FW for other than taking to quilting classes?  (I have never
quilted, but recently started a quilted jacket which is to the back of the
pile until I get tax season finished).  I would really be interested in
learning of applications where it is *nicer* to use the FW than the fancy
new machines.

The Husqvarna #1+ and Huskygram, etc. are nice, but I *dream* about these
little black beauties! and I want to use them, and all because of this list.

Kathy
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 02:08:39 -0400
Subject: finds...

I bought another 185J yesterday.  Went to several tag sales and duds!  Then
I saw this one and almost drove by, but turned around and went back.  I do
not know where this machine was, but mice must have been gathering nuts as
the bottom  of the case was not closed tight and it was all full of cracked
shells and soft hay.  Not enough room to get in for a squirrel. The machine
is frozen so I plan to use it for parts. Other than the plates, anyone out
there looking for parts?  Or nut shells?

I did interview one lady on the 2 machines she advertised in the papers.
They are moving to FL and there are 3 elderly people involved.  Anyways, one
was the oldest Kenmore I have ever seen.  In a cabinet.  $50 asking price.
It did not sell.  The other is a model 66 Singer treadle.  She brought me
into the room where her 79 year old brother lives.  The cabinet with drawers
was absolutely perfect, never refinished.  Machine runs like a charm. All
very well cared for.  The old gent uses the treadle to do his mending.  As
we talked about it, she decided to move the treadle to FL so that her
brother would have something to sew on.  Anyway, she then asks why FW's are
so popular.  Tells me she had one and a few weeks ago took it for
maintenance check to Singer dealer.  He told her all the things wrong with
it and offered her $25 for it.  SHE ACCEPTED!!!!!  Says she has since
learned what a foolish mistake that was.  I do think that was low-handed of
the dealer and I felt sorry for the lady.  She was such a sweetie.

Bet you are waiting to read what treasures I have for sale this week?  Not
much. Several people had promised to dig out stuff, but forgot.  I do have a
box of sewing machine attachments for class 403 machines -part 161279.  The
box has 8 fashion cams, needle plate # 172800, and 8 high-shank attachments.
The Singer box has lots of masking tape around it, which makes it really sad
looking. Asking $30 for it all (includes shipping).  Thanks.  Millie
Millie M
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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 04:23:08 -0500
Subject: 99K bobbin cover

I've seen a 99K at a local flea market that appears to be in rather 
decent shape except that the sliding cover over the bobbin case is 
simply laying on the machine.  Is this the same type cover that other 
Singers used?  They were all held on by a spring underneath?  And can I 
get a replacement?

Jim
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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 04:28:17 -0500
Subject: 401a motor

The motor in my 401a was very difficult to turn and when running whined 
like a plane taking off.  I pulled it out of the machine and took it 
apart the bottom bearing was full of thick black gunk of some sort which 
I removed.  The motor now turns freely but the repairman I asked says 
NOT to lube that at all.  But won't that bearing and spindle wear out 
without some sort of lubricant?

A definitive answer would be great as this was my Grandmother's machine 
and I don't want to screw it up in any way shape or form!

Jim
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 07:11:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Singers of course

Two new members of my Singer family arrived this weekend - a model 600 and a
model 128. The model 600 is a Touch and Sew - I know they're terrible
machines, but I thought a Singer collection wouldn't be complete without
one. It runs fairly well and has all its cams and accessories and manual.
The model 128 (I think) I bought at a wonderful antique show yesterday with
340 dealers. Only one man was selling Singers - he also had a model 99-31
for $125 which I would have loved to have gotten, but I can't afford every
machine I see. The one I bought came in a domed wooden case and has a fairly
new looking motor, lovely red, green and gold decals, and a long shuttle
bobbin (my first of this type). It's a 3/4 size machine and not too heavy.
It's unfortunately missing its bobbin, but I hope I can find one for it. If
anyone has a manual or any sort of instructions for a 127/128 machine I'd be
more than happy to pay for copies - it came with nothing. I really do think
fw prices are coming down. This same man had sold a fw the previous day for
$260 and another booth had one still for sale for only $300. Toy Singer
prices are amazing, though - the little black ones I saw (and there were
quite a few) were $165-$195 - guess the prices I've paid for them were
better than I thought. They're so cute, but it's awfully hard to justify
those prices for a machine that won't actually sew when I could have bought
the 99-31 for $125! I also found some Singer ads and an oak folding box with
some attachments, so I did have a good day. I do love this hunting - never
know what you might find! About the 301s - I looked at mine and my light
brown one with the long folding bed has the single plug for the foot
pedal/motor. It's a 301a, but my tan/cream one is also a 301a and has a
small bed and two plugs like my black 301. Wish there were someone out there
who could solve this problem for us! Sue M.
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Date: 22 Apr 1996 13:09:39 +0000
Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 4/18/96

To Lydia:

PS:  I'm from Canton, Ohio....but have not lived there for a long time...now 
in New Jersey.  I can fairly easily find old machines which range from $30 
in a cabinet (I know right away where to find a (I think) 127 or 128 for 
$30, in a cabinet.  I didn't because....I have too many in cabinets and my 
DH is starting to notice....we are supposed to be divesting to move to 
Florida!!!  (Like I'm really gonna get rid of ALL my ol' machines!!!) Ha! 
 In this same place, there were at least 4 more ol' darlings...also, on 
Friday, I bought a Spartan from Great Britian....for...$10.00.  I  haven't 
had time to fool around with it yet.  The motor works...it looks like it 
will clean up nicely...I think it's supposed to have a case, 
tho....hopefully, someone "out there" might have a spare Spartan case??? 
(You never know...it doesn't hurt to ask) or perhaps a copy of manual?  It 
looks very much like a FW...they also have one of those terrrific W/C for 
$195 which I need to research.  It's in a cabinet with 3 drawers on right 
side, and is a treadle...looks decent, needs cleaning...more later....am at 
work, after all!
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:23:37 -0500
Subject: Another NEW Featherweight

Hello all,
Well, I must be blessed by the Featherweight Fairy this week.  I got to my
office late on Friday morning and didn't even have time to listen to my
answering machine messages. I started to read my email and I see a red van
pull up.  It was my antique dealer friend Bob (who it turned out had left a
message on my machine)  and when he got out I saw he was carrying a
Featherweight case across the street to the office.  Naturally, I jumped up
and held the door for him.  It is a beauty if I ever saw one.  It is a 1954
(my birth year) in the finest condition of any machine I have ever seen.
It has everything.  Oil can, attachments, screwdriver, manual, bobbins, 2
keys in a little envelope, the grease tube, and a marked throat plate.  The
best part is the condition - I would give it a number 9 1/2 on the scale.
There are two tiny scratchs on the bed of the machine and it just shines.
It looks as though it was never used.  I tried it out and it ran but the
belt was slipping so I took it down to the Singer store.  One little
adjustment and a little bit of oil and I could not believe how quietly it
ran.  I have never heard a machine run this quietly!!!
The manual is one I have never seen before.  It is dark blue with red and
white lettering and is even dated 1954.  I particularly enjoyed looking
through the part that tells how to use the attachments since I got them all
with the machine.  It even has an extra felt for the thread spool and the
spring that goes on the thread spool too.  I am just so overjoyed, I cannot
contain myself!!!!.
Yes, I know I have 5 other fw's, but I somehow feel that this one was
waiting just for me.
The machine that I currently use everyday is also a 1954, but it has always
been in number 6 or worse condition, and I paid $350 for it from the Singer
dealer.  It came with nothing but the case and that is in bad shape with a
broken latch and it is not even the case that came with it.  It is one of
the older style cases with the drop in tray.  It runs really nice and that
is why I use it all the time.
I use one of the others, a 1950 when I am machine quilting so I can leave
the tension alone and not have to fool with it every time I want to do some
machine quilting.  The 1938 I haven't used yet, just keep as a collectible,
the white one belongs to my daugher ( a Christmas gift), and the 1951
Centennial that I just bought, well, I can't decide if I will keep or sell
that one now.  I had sort of been thinking of selling it to my friend in
Washington DC when I go and visit her but it would be a good one to keep as
a collectible also.  It is in really nice shape too but has obviously been
used a lot.
When I bought the 1951, I told you all that there was a booklet in there
that had a lot of old sewing machine info.  It is called "Care and
Adjustment of the Sewing Machine" It is a Cornell Extension bulletin #815
and says reprinted February 1953.  I looked through it the other night and
it has all kinds of info from treadles to 99's to FW's.  It talks about
cleaning, oiling, (even on the treadle bases!) adjusting the "clutch" on
old machines, describes how to take apart just about every machine,
including cleaning the machine with kerosene and then using oil afterward,
adjusting tension on various machines, etc.  There is also a chart titled,
"Interchangeable Needle List" .  The list is in alphabetical order and
covers "Damascus, Domestic, Eldredge, Franklin, Free, Kenmore, Minnesota,
New Home, New Royal, Singer, Standard, White, Western Electric,
Westinghouse etc.  It also has a section entitled "Sewing Machine Troubles"
and some helpful advice.
If anyone would like a copy of this booklet, about 38 pages, email me and I
will send you a copy for $3 to cover xeroxing and mailing.
That all for today - happy FW hunting everyone
Shelley in Plattsburgh NY where the crocuses are finally up in my yard,
even though it was only 38 degrees this morning.
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:18:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 301 purchase!

I just had to let everyone know that I found a 301 last week!  I didn't even 
know what a 301 looked like but I had read alot about them on this list. 
 Late Tuesday night my SO was reading the classified ads and found a 301 for 
sale.  I called about it and the only time the next day that I could have 
gone to see it wouldn't work for the woman selling it and I was going out of 
town on business for the next two days.  So I gave my SO a check and asked 
him to just go buy it for me sight unseen.  They were asking $75 for it - he 
looked at it and offered them $50 and they accepted it.  I just had a chance 
to use it yesterday - it works great!  It is in wonderful shape - has the 
case, attachments and manual!  I haven't seen many prices on 301's here but 
I think I got a great deal.  I am still searching for a FW though and 
haven't had any luck so far.  I think maybe I should go to Albany - Sue 
seems to have great success there!

Melodie
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:02:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: imformation 

?Hi Folks,I am in need of a button hole lug for a singer attatchment size 15/
16" or 1" if anyone can help please ring me. thanks Larry
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Subject: Singer machine - 185J
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:35:23 -0500

My brother just gave me this machine this weekend.  It's a green Singer 
185J and from what I've gathered on the FW web page it was made between 
1960-62.  I'm very new to this and have always been interested in FWs 
and older sewing machines, but this is my first experience.  I would 
like to get more information from anyone that can help me.

The machine looks to be in really good shape.  The only visible problem 
is the plate over the bobbin was taped down, because it doesn't stay.  
The plug is obviously bad though as when we tried to plug it in, it 
broke the circuit.  My brother seems to think this is the only thing 
wrong with it, but there's no bobbin or attachments for the machine, so 
I can't check how it works.  It seems to move fine when done by hand 
though.

My first question is what kind of bobbin do I use for this machine?  
Also, is it worth taking in to get fixed or is it better to try it on my 
own?  My dad is an electical engineer, so he can replace the plug, but I 
would also like to get the plate over the bobbin fixed.  I appreciate 
any help anyone can offer!

Cindy
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:24:33 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/21/96

Good day, everyone!
     Just read the latest installment ( love this newsletter more everyday!)
and thought I'd post a suggestion, for what it's worth...
     There seem to be so many people finding this , nearly every day it
seems, and many of them ask what all the numbers, and other references mean.
I must admit that a few still have me stumped ( like Godzilla finish
--?????). Perhaps it would be a kindness to all to either add a brief
translation when using some of these terms, #'s, etc., or refer to a certain
FWF publication date where that info may be found, or post the oft repeated
terms, etc. with each issue.
      It would be a kindness to those who are not as well versed in the
special terminology which many of us use almost as a matter of course on this
newsletter.
    Like I said, just a suggestion, for what it's worth.
Becky S
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Date: 22 Apr 1996 16:24:32 +0000
Subject: Your note of April 18

To Rose V:

When I started out "On the Search" I almost lost heart.  I mean, I was 
looking foro FW's that were bargains.  I knew I could get them for $$$. 
 Then, what I did (and still do) is read as many newspaper ads as soon as 
possible. We have those little independent free press ones that are thrown 
on the lawn, those too.  Also, a publication called Want Ad Press, altho' 
not too much any more cause everyone that advertises in there is getting 
pretty hip, but sometimes.....go to house sales, estate sales, gargage 
sales, yard sales, flea markets, thrift stores, antique stores....gab with 
any of your mom's older friends.  Even men...sometimes they have their mom's 
or departed DH's old machine, just stuck away....do all of this and you will 
find them.  On Friday, I found (and I wasn't even looking for it) a Spartan 
made in Great Britian for $10.  They also have a Wilcox &Gibbs in a cabinet 
with 3 drawers on right side.  It has a tiny little wooden cover over the 
machine...I think the machine is a 5 or so...it was dark in there and 
machine is dirty...no manual or attachments.  They are asking $195 (but 
everything is negotiable, isn't it???).  What is a good price for this...I 
couldn't get the serial number, will do that this weekend, but it is a 
treadle.  I've noticed that several people are interested in them and have 
purchased them.  So, I need to know what they are worth.  I don't usually 
spend 3 figures on the ol SM's unless they are FW's...so it has to be worth 
it...PS:  If it's not a secret what did you pay for your Centennial/w card 
table..?I'm always curious.

To Millie:

I got some of those Singer books you were talking about...perhaps later, 
I'll check with you about the gaps in my collection...( I got a pile of 
Singer and misc. books, 2 huge beautiful pieces of fabric...for $2.00).  I 
don't get out to the sales much lately, but sometimes you do get lucky! 
 About 3 months ago, I just got to a sale and one of the machines ad 
mentioned (just 'machines') just went out the door for $40...one

To Gene B:

I'm sending you the envelope and check for $15 for the 3 keys for Bentwood 
today .  Am anxiously awaiting keys.  I actually have some SOMEWHERE!  Isn't 
that disgusting?  Thanks for offering...Mary

To Maggie:

Your offer interested me, re:  if you come across anything...I've been 
wanting a FW Free Arm and a white one, but haven't been able to find except 
for big bucks, which I just can't do....so if you find anything, I would 
appreciate if you ran it by me, since I live in NJ not very far from 
NYC....I can make the city usually in 30 minutes or less on a Saturday! 
   PS:  my #4 Sister (there are 5 sisters and 5 bro's is a Maggie).

To Suzie:

I loved your note about the 201.  It made me open mine up and oil and 
lubricate and get ready to go.  (how in the name of heck do you get the OLD, 
Yukky grease out of the tubes, tho'...???  I got some out...and the new 
stupid litttle tube from singer only squeezes out a hair at a time...!!) 
anyway, my DH appeared and I had to stop playing...I was having some trouble 
with the bobbin, getting it loaded properly....I'm reasonably adept at 
doodling around, so I guess I'll get it, but it's frustrating when it 
doesn't go right, right off!  I'm dying to test the stitch....I did some 
time ago when I got it but that was a number of years ago.  It's in a pretty 
(cherry, I think) cabinet that needs a little refinishing, and the head is 
about 8.  Has some little pin prick holes, otherwise very nice, with all the 
gold..it was born 3/16/50...It cost me either $15 or $20...

To Marge S:

I have 2 model 15's that I know of...I might have 3...I'll check and let you 
know.  I think I could probably bring myself to part with one...I'm not 
sure, but they might all be in cabinets, if that makes a difference one way 
or the other....I'll try to check them out, but it might not be for a couple 
of weeks since my mom is moving in with me come April 25.  On May4-5, the 
truck arrives with her stuff and her sewing machines, so I'll probably for 
sure need to make some room...so incase I forget, please feel free to nag me 
in a couple of weeks if you haven't heard.  I'm putting a note on Schedule + 
to help me remember....

The two I know for sure:  one is K 681154, 01/12/03 and the other is 
AD762194, 10/04/34...the mystery one that's hidden under stuff is probably a 
30's or 40's, but this is only a guess...ta-ta til later...PS:  I live in 
NJ, so I don't know what the shipping would cost, but an FW my sister sent 
me from Ohio was about $20 in shipping, and that's a little thing (it cost 
be $75.00) plus the $20.

To Robert L:

Re:  Singer Product page....do you want a copy of the little leaflet/booket 
that comes with the Buttonholer?  Is that what you mean?

General question(s):

What is Godzilla?  Somehow I missed out on understanding just what it is...I 
gathered it was somewhere between/around the Rocketeer and Cadillac?  Or is 
a rotten finish?

Is it the correct thing to do when responding to send all answers (like I'm 
doing in this note) to FWFanatics, and everyone profits from the exchange? 
 Last week, I sent individual responses, and then it dawned on me that this 
is not the thing to do....is this correct?

I saw an ad at quilt show for FW tables (repros) from Kansas, I think.  They 
had no price.  Does anyone know about these?  Are they any good, and how 
much...I didn't bring the address with me to work...but I'm pretty sure it's 
Kansas...you would think they would show the price if they are adverstising, 
would you?  Oh well.

BIG QUESTION:

WHEN is Nancy's new FeatherWeight book coming out!!!!????  I hate waiting. 
 I think I'll call up her publishing company....go to the source...

I know I had another question, but I got interuppted with a work question!!! 
 Can you imagine....and I AM at work...Oh well, I'll probably think of after 
I send this note...

Needles:

Is it true that only Singer needles are to be used in Singer machines?  I 
thought the Schmetz were for a different type of construction, eg., like the 
Swiss machines and never for the Singers.... but is this fact or fantasy? 
 And do the real old ones use different needles?  Is there a needle guide 
for the different models?  Did anyone do a needle model guide?  I got a box 
about 1 1/2 by 1 1/2 jam packed with (for) Singer needles that are brand 
new, but made in Japan.  I also have about 4 bobbin cases in the box, brand 
new also made in Japan...(a lot of new bobbins--not sure which for which) 
and a lot of custom accessory feet that I haven't figured out yet, but it 
will be fun doing it, when I get down to it.  In this same place that I got 
this stuff I also got a big green Singer Oil can, in nice shape about 1/2 
filled..and one of the Singer Craft thingy that you can make (!!!) rugs 
on....I have the instruction booket that I had found elsewhere, never 
dreaming to find the thing...I think the house was owned by a an old Singer 
person, since it was in Elizabeth, NJ...I regret that I didn't scoop up all 
the rest of the stuff, it was so dark and dirty and yukky and I was running 
late....oh well.  Life is full of vain regrets...

Wish:

That someone(????) would put out a book that listed everything Singer made. 
 Part 1 could be the Industrial side and Part 2 (the good part) all the 
other Sewing Machines and Sergers.  It should have all the model numbers, 
with each variation, with the dates, written descriptions of virtues and 
faults and a picture and some sort of code as to which accessories go to 
which machine....this would be COOL....!

Got lucky Friday at an expensive house sale.  Small plastic box with Singer 
Walking Foot and several other accessories, 50 cents, beautiful old 
grass/straw sewing box $2.00...everything else was way overpriced, as is the 
case often with old sewing things, they are priced very fairly.  Some people 
don't even save them but throw them away (ARGH, UGH).

Also, I went to the Woodbridge Heritage Quilt Show on this Saturday (even 
tho' I had a migraine!).  Small but nice show.  I finally saw a FW with the 
little 221 plate on the right side.  It was an AL and she paid (I think) 
$350 for it.  Forgot to look at box, but looked nice.  I also bought a FW 
pin and a rubber stamp...oh joy...

Repairs:

Is there anyone who repairs the leather handles on the old cases (for some 
sort of reasonable price)?  I have the 1933 FW and the case is fairly 
decent, but one handle at the base is broken.  The handle is quite good, 
it's just the part the leather goes into on the case handle.

I got a bolt of linen (54 yards) of the really nice stuff, not the yukky 
stuff being sold today (for $3.00 a yard with loose weave and big threads) 
for.....$8.00...it's so pretty...

In closing:  I love, love, love this Web Page....this is the Page of 
Pages...it is so much fun to discover that there are plenty of others out 
there who adore old SMs besides me.  My DH had me thinking I was demented. 
 Of course, he doesn't really know how many I have since they are mostly 
artfully concealed under piles of stuff...it IS hard to hide the cabinets, 
especially the shuttle ones...oh well...wasn't is Perry Como's old show? 
where they said:  keep those cards and letters coming in?  Well, keep on 
E-mailing....Regretfully, I have to close and work like mad to catch up with 
WORK!  I'm always so thrilled when I check my mail and see that there is an 
FW communique.  I think I'm going to request a dual mailing to cover the 3 
days I'm at home and can't check my mail.  I don't have a Dial in ID to 
connect with my work from home....they are being done, but I will be an old 
lady running around in Purple by that time, or better yet, I'll be living in 
Florida...we plan to move to the West Coast somewhere around Sarasota where 
I grew up after leaving Canton Ohio when I either take early retirement 
sometime around mid 1998, unless we get offered a package to leave earlier 
since my company has just merged with Sandoz (a paltry $27 BILLION merger!) 
 So, 10,000 jobs will hitting the dust soon....toodles for now from Mary in 
New Jersey where it is nice and sunny.  Yesterday was 81....we just went 
from winter to summer....I'm not complaining...we had enough of the white 
stuff, that's for sure.Bye...I hate to sign off......til later....
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Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 4/21/96
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:26:10 -0500

Help!  I now need a new throat plate for the "new" FW (which is older 
than my "old" one).  It currently has a throat plate with no markings 
and some rust under the presser foot area, but since this one probably 
won't live here long, and it needs other replacements (cord), I'm not a 
stickler for accuracy...you parts people, let me know!  Also probably 
needs a new cord, what do those run?

BTW, this time I didn't tear up the wicks in the motor...;-)

Sherrie G
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Date: 22 Apr 96 13:41:57 EDT
Subject: For Kathy...

For  Kathy  -  RE: Service Manual. If you send us a check for $8.00, I'll send 
you  a  copy  of  the  Singer  Service Manual for the Featherweight, 30 pages, 
printed  5/66.  We  also carry many parts for the FW and other machines (27's, 
127's,  128's, 66's, 99's etc.). Chris @ Stepping Stones Quilts, PO Box 21811, 
St. Simons IS. GA 31522 (912)638-7128.
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Date: 22 Apr 96 13:43:29 EDT
Subject: For Lisa...

Hi  Lisa...  Saw  your post on the FWF newsletter. We can provide you with the 
parts  you're  looking  for...  Bobbin  Case, $9.95. Bobbin, $1.50. Spool Pin, 
$0.50.  Throat  Plate  (Slide,  rear) $9.95. Service Manual for #27, 127, 128, 
$3.95. Treadle Belt, $7.50. Chris @ Stepping Stones Quilts, (912) 638-7128.
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:50:09 -0400
Subject: FW

Just found out about featherweights through a friend and was given a 1948FW
 in real good condition.  I think I am hooked.
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Subject: needle info.

Kathy, your model 66 machine is a class 66 machine.
The needles used are the same as all other singers. The 1/8" longer needle
would be for an older treadle machine. The 221 and 221k use the same needle.

Lisa - Your 128 machine spool pin, shuttle and slide plate are available.

Susie - The 81-22 machine you found is an industrial machine.

general note - Handles are available for the carrying cases as well as new
cases. IF anyone has any questions about repairs please feel free to contact 
me.

Mike
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:35:42 -0400
Subject: No room left!!

Ah, the downside of condominium living! There is just so much space for
necessities ( not to imply that sewing machines are not a necessity) but the
DH thinks he is entitled to some sitting space, or at least a place to put
down his cereal bowl, THEREFORE.........I have for sale a sad little
featherweight. She runs well, but she'll never win a beauty contest. Her
black paint is a little gloppy looking (haven't tried to clean her-don't want
to fall in love)with a couple of small chips. The case was stripped and
recovered with white contact paper. Since it's such an early case the wood
seems to be very good and it would probably be a good candidate for
refinishing. The tray has not been recovered.  It's an AD885672 (should be
1934) and has the early edition thread guide for the bobbin winder on the
front vertical surface rather then on the horizontal surface.
 On Graham's scale it's probably a 41/2 to 5. I think $200 is a fair price,
plus whatever it costs to pack and ship. I would guess that's about $25
judging by what I see other people saying on FWF. If you're interested,
please e-mail me at:
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Date: 22 Apr 1996 21:14:28 +0000
Subject: Identification

I think it would be beneficial to all (of us especially) if when antique 
sewing machines, or any model has a caption mentioning that it is:  a Singer 
Model 66 or whatever.  I was perusing a quilt book to decide on a baby quilt 
pattern and a rather pretty Singer appeared on page 71....what model is it, 
I wonder??? (In Love With Quilts--Oxmoor House).  It will take some time to 
be sure...it would be a nice credit I think to have on the page...it would 
certainly make me happy!  So everyone should spread the word whenever 
possible to those who produce books, magazines, and whatever with pictures 
of SMs...so there!
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:21:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Old Singers just sitting there

Hi Everyone!
     I've just returned from a week in San Diego with my husband and two
kids.  While there I had a little bit of time to devote to machine hunting.
Of course I found the treadle of my dreams, much to far from home.  The
Goodwill Store on Fifth Avenue has 5 old sewing machines, 4 of them are
Singers, all are in good condition and very reasonably priced. (under $100).
If I had been closer to home I would have bought them all.
     There are several antique stores right in the area.  They all had some
old machines, and several toy machines, but much too high for my budget.  I
saw a Wilcox and Gibbs at the Unicorn Antique Mall for $125.  They also had
three sad little Featherweights, all in deplorable condition, only one with
a case, and all priced a bit high.  I've never seen three in one place
before, so that was neat.  
     Saturday I went to a few yard sales, and  was thrilled to find a
retired singer guy, living just a few blocks away.  I bought an old Japanese
machine in a cabinet from him for a friend of mine who needed a machine her
8 year old could use.  He wanted $60 for it, and when I asked if he'd take
$50 he agreed grumpily.  I then asked  if he had any attachments, and he got
even grumpier and said,  "Not for that price I don't!."  I explained to him
that I was interested in attachment in addition, so he took me to his
workshop and showed me a zig-zagger with cams, not for sale, a buttonholer,
not for sale, and a hemstitcher he was willing to sell.  I showed him some
of the information I've downloaded from this list, and he gave me a 1978
sewing machine blue book (for free).  So now I can tell you what the trade
in value for your sewing machine was in 1978.  He also claimed that Singer
made a pink Featherweight that didn't go over very well, and he said the
white FW's are not any good, even if people do charge more for them.    I
plan on taking my little green National to him to see if he can get it
running.  If things go well, I may trust him to service my Featherweights!
Phyllis
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Date: 22 Apr 1996 14:23:23 -0800
Subject: WANTED

Featherweight.
Respond to:  Sandra G
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:02:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW For Sale

   This is the updated list of FW's now for sale. The list is pretty much 
in flux so there's always new ones added as they come in.

AF  Case, Manual, Attachments, even wear $375.
AG  Same as Above
AJ  Case great, all attachments, key, manual, machine in superior 
condition, striated faceplate. $460
AE  Scrolled faceplate, machine in superior condition, a few light pin 
scratches, gold great, Case good, attachments, copy of manual. $550.
AM  1955 Superior Condition, attachments, manual, great case. $510.
  An assortment of AJ's and AL's at $450. detailing upon request.
   1-pre WWII buttonholer  $35. includes shipping

     On the machines there will be a $30. shipping fee to insure, handle, 
and track. If you would like further descriptions of the machines just e 
for detail. Zsux
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:34:46 -0700
Subject: Margel S -Listen up

OK Margel...after our conversation by telephone, I can tell you this [and you 
can take this infomation to the banki!]

Your Friends AJ992233 machine....it was made 11/10/50  but was not sold
until November 1951!

It is a Centennial, and it is a MODEL 15 ......NOT a 15-91

It was originally made with the normal, solid handwheel, not the spoked wheel.
Oh...yes it looks like the 15-91, HOWEVER, it is recorded as solely a Model 15.

Hope this somehow lessens the confusion you've had with this one!
-Bobbie-
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Subject: and about that table...
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:05:30 -0500

And, finally.  Tim called the woman that sold him the famous FW, and 
yes, it does have a table.  But she's using it for entertaining, and is 
not interested in selling :((.  Big sobs.  How can she do that to 
me?:(....:(  maybe my guardian angel will look out for me, and whisper 
in her ear?  Wahhh.

Sherrie
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:00:22 -0600
Subject: FW Fanatics 4/21/96 -Reply

Well, I am certainly getting DH interested in the hunt!  Still no FW, but he
came home with a White Rotary in a wood case this weekend.  He got
several boxes (one cardboard, one metal tin) full of Greist attachments. 
One box says "special set # IV".  The tin is labeled "Rotary" but the parts
seem to have Greist written all over them.

I've seen earlier posts with details (part  and description) of these but
don't currently have access to them.  I'm having surgery in the morning
and will be home for the next few weeks.  All my archived files are at
work, and while I can do e-mail from home, I can't do direct
"web-surfing" til I'm back in the office.  If someone would repost Greist
info, or sent it directly to me, I'm a newbie at this and would really
appreciate it.

I didn't start out to be a collector.  A year and a half ago my old Kenmore
went away and was replaced by a Viking 1+ with all the computer
accessories.  This led to my discovery of quilting, which led to my
children wanting to sew, which led to my son getting his aunt's childhood
sewing machine- a Singer Little Touch and Sew.  (BYW, anyone know
what power adapter I can get for this?)  I do have the manual and other
parts.  Quilting also led me to the hunt for a FW and thus, this list.

Since then, I've acquired another Kenmore with cabinet (freebie- now my
son's machine) and another mid-70's machine - a Singer.  Then we add
the $5 model 27 and the newest addition of the White Rotary.  And I've
got a serger as well.  And now all the Greist attachments that I would like
to identify.!!

Sorry for the ramble.  This list, and the collect-aholics I've met through it,
is dangerously addicative and fun!  The sewing room, however, is
running out of room for sewing!

More later- Thanks all
Caryl
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:23:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: model 15

Margel - am trying to send you more info but it keeps bouncing. Mailer says
will keep trying for a few more days. Evidently the address is OK but there
is a problem at your end? Let me know how to reach you!
Sorry to post this to everyone. 
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:31:27 -0400
Subject: North Carolina Quilt shops

Hi all

I will be in Greensboro, N.C. the end of June

Where are the best quilt shops and fabric shops??  DH, the woodturner, will
be at symposium at the koury Convention Center for 4 days and I have to
amuse myself!

Any museums with quilt displays??

Any info would be appreciated

Jeanann
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Date:          Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:52:48 GMT-10
Subject:       Husqvarna

Hello FWF and welcome to all the newbies especially Craig in 
Wollongong and Sarah in New Zealand.  
I have just returned from a trip to Melbourne over the Easter break 
and I managed to check out a few antique centres while I was there.
We travelled down the Mornington Penninsula to a little spot named 
Tyabb.  It must have the biggest shed of antiques in the southern 
hemisphere!!!!  It is called the Tyabb Packing Shed as is used to be 
a fruit packing shed in a previous life.
I was totally absorbed for hours .....and I only found two sewing 
machines.   One was an ANA treadle and another an ANA handcrank.
ANA stands for Australian Natives Association  This was a group who 
set up in 1888 to foster national pride before the Federation of 
Australian states in 1901.(so endeth todays history lesson).
I was thrilled to find these machines as my grandmother bought one in 
1915 and I have been trying to find out their history. Unfortunately 
both machines were above my price limit so the search continues.....

Elizabeth
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:41:02 -0700
Subject: feet

I was looking at my good sized collection of feet and have come up with a
question.  Half of my feet clamp onto the side of a FW or other machine, but
the other half don't, and I can figure out no way of attaching them.  

Some of the say Greist on them, and others don't.  they don't fit on my FW
cause the are too big, and the needle doesn't match up with the holes in the
attachments.

Can anyone tell me what machine they are made for?


Viola
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Date:          Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:32:22 +0000
Subject:       Coca Cola Tin/ Mom and Dad

Thanks Christine, how do you like the machine? I think I "need" one 
for my collection too :). 

Went to Grand Rapids this weekend and found a lovely little 128 in a 
bentwood case. No manual or attachemnts but the knee lever was there 
and the tag said it worked. The machine was very clean but had lots 
of pin scratches around the arm and some of the gold on the bed was 
chipped off. Alas, I was strong and left it there. They wanted $65. I 
also saw another machine in a wooden case called a Columbus. It too 
was in very nice shape and they wanted $65 for it too. 

My folks picked up my present for next Christmas! They bought me a 
centennial 99 in a bentwood case at an estate sale. It has lots of 
attachments, original manual, lube tube, extra bobbins and needles. 
They  said it looks as though it has never been used, no pin 
scratches on the  arm. Yippeee!!! I can't wait to see it. They were 
worried that I  would be disappointed if I knew a head of time what 
my gift was but they had to ask me if it was a good deal. They paid 
$50 and there isn't anything I'd rather have. Aren't they the best?

I also  have gone through all my gazillion sets of Greist attahcments 
and with what I knew about where they came from, some old machine 
manuals showing them,  and the Sincere repair  book, 
believe I have accurately determined which machines they will fit.   

Have a great day all! Katy
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Date: 23 Apr 1996 12:10:11 +0000
Subject: Spartan

Dear FWFs:
Last Saturday I purchased a little black thing called a Spartan.  I went 
home and looked up Spartan in Grace's (Smithsonian) book and I think it said 
it was manufactured by FREE or National....

Last night, I got a big rag out and cleaned it up; it was covered with crud. 
 Polished a little with oil...Looks about 8+ (this is just the condition of 
the machine--no lid or attachments).  The strange thing is that I noticed 
something I didn't see before; on the right side, the big part whatever it 
is called where the stitch regulator is....appears The Singer Manufacturing 
Company, made in Great Britain...on the motor, it say Cat. RFJ 9-8; 
V110-120A.08AC &DO Simanco; Made in Canada.  On the Stitch regulator area it 
says 192K.  The bottom, which is very much like like the Little Darling 
(FW), unscrews and bottom comes off and reveals the Serial Plate with the 
number EP 073726.  I could see various mechanical parts, all labeled with 
the Simanco name.  Back on the top, the cover plate is striated, eg, after 
the WWII, I guess and the face place is marked.  As I am cleaning it, I am 
amazed at how good it looks.  It IS very spartan, I don't think any gold 
appears except the name...the base part is hard plastic, secured by the 
aforementioned screw on the bottom.  The bottom is flat, not like the FW. 
 The foot control works altho' I'm not certain it's the original, it looks 
'older.'

Getting back to Grace's book, I quote from page 70:  The "Singer" name 
reigned supreme an d it was the only one under which that company's machines 
were sold. (???-me)  Both the style of the Singer machine and the design of 
the trademark were widely copied by many companies both at home and abroad." 
 So where did this come from?  I've heard the Spartan mentioned before, but 
didn't catch if anyone said anything about who made it.  This is clearly a 
Singer...it looks a great deal like the FW, except.....it ain't no 
featherweight!!!  I didn't weigh it yet, but it's heavy!  Also, I concluded 
there must be some sort of cover or case for it, which I didn't get, or the 
manual or accessories, etc....so who out there can fill in the informational 
gaps for me....

I do feel it was a coup to get this for $10...that was without even 
dickering...I was so amazed at the asking price, for once, I forgot to 
dicker.  (That doesn't happen too often!)  The same place has a very pretty 
red &white quilt I'm going back for...for $40 and a Wilson &Gibbs in a 
cabinet for (asking) $195.00.  I suspect if make them an offer, I can 
probably get a deal on it...but I don't really know the value.  I suppose 
I'll have to get the serial number to determine this?  It is a treadle.

Thanking you one and all for belonging, reading, sharing, caring, &being 
FWFs....I love it!

The highlight of the day is checking my mail and seeing FWF stuff!

Mary
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 06:26:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 

Marida-Small fortunes are relative and I think your purchase of the tan 
was a good investment.  I do not believe the bottom is going to fall out 
of the FW market, the bottom may fall out of the cases but the machines 
will always hold their price. So enjoy and sleep well knowing there are 
doll collectors out there that spend thousands on one doll.
Kathy-I sell the p.o.e.m./HuskyGram and there's nothing like a machine 
embroidered FeatherWeight that machine is just too much fun, but do know 
what you mean about the FW, it has the illusive status that makes the 
hunt even more fun. Those near perfect machines are hard to glean from 
the crop of well-worn, tattered and torn machines that so often are on 
the market. Zsux
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Date: 23 Apr 96  9:58:36 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/20/96

Hi All!

What a day yesterday was!  I decided to take my little one with me to a fabric 
sale at the other side of the city, since the weather was so nice and as I was 
driving along thinking how I really need to find a sewing machine repair shop 
"just incase", I look up and THERE ONE IS.  I stop and ring the bell and 
luckily someone is there.  We go inside and I feel like I'm in a candy land!  
There are tons of little bags of attachments neatly hung on the wall and 
labeled and  lots of old machines (home and industrial types).  I found out 
this is only a "home shop" and the man who runs it has a larger shop somewhere 
downton where he has more attachments, etc.  I ask about older machines, esp. 
portables and the woman takes us down to the basement which is wall to wall 
cabinet machines and the shelves of machines out of their cases (parts 
maybe??).  Anyway she shows me three machines - a portable in this very 
"Morticia Adams"-ish case that the top opens on and has a velvet pad for pins 
and needles and lift out drawers and a box of Greist attachments with manual, 
needles and sewing instructions.  It is a New Home E.X.B.L. Long Shuttle.  
Anyone know anything about it??  It works well, but the cord is fraying in 
places and probably should be replaced.  The woman who sold it to them was 95 
and it was her only machine.  I'm waiting to hear a price on it!

 They also showed me an old White Rotary that a man had put into a modern 
cabinet thinking that his daughter would then want it for college, but I guess 
she told him she had no interest in sewing.  It's in very good condition and 
works extremely well, but UGH that modern cabinet.  Does anyone know if this 
machine could be put into another type of case??

The last one was a Minnesota treadle.  It was in a cabinet and it kind of 
"popped" up when you opened the top of the cabinet.  It looked very new for an 
old machine.  How long were treadles available for??

Well, I didn't buy anything (yet) but at least I found a new shop to explore.  
He has one FW - but he was repairing it for a customer.  Oh well, with any luck 
he'll find another one that's for sale.

In our Sunday Paper a woman had an ad for a 1950 FW - she says it's in 
excellent condition and is asking $350.  Too rich for me, but if anyone is 
interested I can give them the number.

To Marge:  I have a 15-91 (sorry it's not for sale) but it was made in 1933.  
It is in a cabinet and it's tension knob is on the front of the machine, not 
the side.  My manual shows no portable version of this machine, but maybe the 
anniversary one you are looking for is based on this machine.  Mine is a beauty 
and sews the most beautiful even stitch and I love it.  Good luck in finding 
one!

To All:  I posted a while ago about my Mom's Demorest machine - does anyone 
know anything about it by any chance?  Graham? (I hope I hope)

Alex
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Date:         Tue, 23 Apr 96 10:19:21 EDT
Subject:      Defense of my oldie "Goldie"

Hey y'all.  I've been eavesdropping on FWF for several weeks now. This
is a great place to learn a lot about sewing machines.  Just today read
a post from Sue M. about her two new Singers.  She says that her model
600 is a Touch and Sew and that she knows they're terrible machines.
I never knew that they had that reputation, so I was a little surprised.
I have a model 640 (I think that's the correct model number, I'm at work
so I can't check for sure right now) Golden Touch and Sew that was my
high school graduation gift from my mother.  I have sewn thousands of miles
on her over the past 26 years.  I hope there are others out there that
have given long, dependable service, too.  I don't have a FW, yet, but
I'm searching for the one just meant for me.

Linda
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 11:00 EDT
Subject: help with prices

Hi everyone,
        I haven't posted for a while and I need advice.  I may have a
chance to actually own my first featherweight.  It is a 1950 I believe.  I
haven't yet seen it but suspect it has been well kept.  If so, what is a
fair asking price range for such a machine?  I want to be prepared to make
a fair offer if the opportunity works out.  Thanks so much.

P.S.  Ginney in Iowa- you sent me Gold Hibbard manual some time back.  I
have lost your email address and would like to get in touch, Help!

Jill T
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Date:          Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:59:37 +0000
Subject:       For Sale

Hi All,

I have sorted through my collection of attachments and decided what to keep and 
what to sell.
Here is what I have to sell.

1. Singer Automatic Zigzagger #160985. This is in excellent shape and will fit 
low shank Singers,
including FWs. It has the original box and manual and 4 different cams to do 
decorative stitches
as well as the zigzag. $30		

2. Singer Blindstitch attachment, #160616. Original manual and box although the 
box is pretty
tough. This fits low shank Singers including the FW. Th attachment itself has a 
few paint chips.
but it works well. $23

3. Greist Blindstitch attachment. Like the Singer one above except that the box 
is in good shape
and it has no manual. I will send a copy  of the Singer one. This also has 4 
extra cams which I
suppose will make it do other decorative stitches although I haven't figured 
how yet. This will fit
low shank Singers. $18		

4. Folding Oak box with some attachments. These came with older Singer 
treadles. The box
itself is a dark color and the velvet lining is a dark purplish blue. I don't 
know what all belongs in
here but it does have a binder, hemmer, two tuckers, a couple feet, and a few 
other items I
cannot identify. $35		

5.  Singer buttonholer. Newer beige plastic  style, fits straight  needle short 
shank machines
including FWs.  The box is in terrible shape but the buttonholer works fine. It 
includes 5
templates and a feed dog cover. $9	

6. Three Greist attachment sets to fit the following machines: White, older 
Kenmore, Domestic,
Majestic, Franklin, Worlds, Dressmaster, and Rotary machines made by White and 
Domestic
Sewing Machine Co. $15 each

7. Two Greist attachments sets to fit top clamping Kenmore ( 49, 71, 76), Free 
Rotary, Free
Westinghouse, New Home Rotary, Stratford, and most all machines made by the 
Free and New
Home Sewing machine Company. $15 each

Please e-mail for specifics on the Greist attachments sets.

E-mail if interested, prices do not include shipping. Thanks! Katy 
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:52:21 -0500
Subject: For Sale

New  bobbins  for  Model 221's  @ 50  cents each.  Minimum order is 10.
Plus minimum shipping of $1.   E-mail for order instructions or quote for
larger quantities.  Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:17:28 -0400
Subject: Kimball Machine

Does anyone out there know anything about a machine called "Kimball"?  I
called one of our local mission stores looking for sewing machines and was
told they had a "Kimball".
Beth
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:20:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: attachment part

Hi All!
     I've been playing with my new hemstitcher and have discovered the
"special throat plate" that I got with it is for the class 15 machines,
which I do not have, and in order for the hemstitcher to work on my FW I
will need a special throat plate number 121392.  If there is anyone out
there that can procure such a creature, please get in touch with me.

To Sherrie:  Perhaps you could buy this person a nice shiney
new card table and trade her for the old rickety FW table, and  then you
would both be happy!

-Phyllis
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:52:04 +0000
Subject: WANTED

I'm new to the list, but printed all the archives and sent them to my mother. 
She bought me my FW for $20 when I was in 7th grade home ec. It has sewn dozens 
of quilts, machine quilted a few of them, sewed a couple maternity wardrobes 
and lots and lots of children's clothes and even some matching shirts for my 
sons and their dad.  I love it.  So does my mom. She wants it back, although 
she won't ask directly for it. She even has the card table ready to put it in. 

So, I'm looking for one so I can grant one of her great wishes. If I find one 
from 1958 that would be terrific as that is my birth year. Then, she could have 
mine!?
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:43:13 -0300
Subject: Canadian Sources

I got Nancy's book from The Quilters' Supply, 1-1060 Hyde Park Rd., Hyde
Park, Ont., N0M 1Z0 (519)472-3907. They are near London. You could also try
Quilters Helper, 5511 Main St., Osgoode, Ont. K0A 2W0 (613)826-2501. They
are near Ottawa.
Another source is The Hobby Horse, RR#5, Georgetown Ont. L7G 4S8
(416)877-9292. The Hobby Horse also has a very good catalogue mail order
service. Hope this is helpful.
Barbara
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Date: 23 Apr 1996 20:30:57 +0000
Subject: An Alas Update

Hi to anyone interested in Nancy Johnson-Srebo's new FW book....it was 
SUPPOSED to be out in Spring, probably April was what I heard...

So, I decided to send her a fax, which I just got an answer on from her 
husband, Frank:  "Nancy is out of town - quilt teaching. Her updated 
Featherweight book SHOULD be released in November, 1996."  The teaching is 
probably holding up our book!!!  Boo-hoo.  I've practically memorized the 
other one...oh well.  Alas, alas..........Better luck in searching for FW's

Spartan Update:

Singer has informed me that my Spartan 192K is indeed a Singer, but called a 
Spartan and mine (EP 073726) was born 02/25/59.  Now I need the manual, 
case, attachments, and whatever xtra information is out there in FWF land...
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:12:21 -0700
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/22/96 Part 1 of 2


>Friday, I purchased a "tan" FW .  Why?  Because I wanted it..
>I paid what seems to me a small fortune, and to DH a large one.  Anyway, It

>Have I done good?  Accolades or Condolences?
>
>Marida


Marida, you didn't say what you paid for it, but I only know of one other
person who has a tan featherweight.  She is one of my best friends and would
never part with it I am sure.

Viola
........................................

> What do you all use the FW for other than taking to quilting classes?  
>
>Kathy


Kathy, I intend to take my FW with me in my motor home. I am trying to
decide whether to take it's regular case, or a light canvas one.


Viola
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:10:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FW for Sale

Hi Everyone,
        It's been some time since my last post.  I was talking to one of the
employees at Collins Sewing Center today who told me that they just got
another Featherweight in today that they are going to sell. Unfortunately,
the boss hadn't seen the machine yet so the employee wasn't sure of the
price.  He thought it would be around $300 to 350 but wasn't sure.  Since
that price is above my personal limit I thought I should mention it here.     
        The machine is an "AJ" and from the description he gave me I would
guess it would rate as a high seven on Graham's scale.  It has all the
attachments, including the ruffler and the original manual.  Sorry I can't
give anymore details.
        If you are interested I suggest you call Cass Collins at (706)
569-5353 for details and price.  Feel free to mention this posting and my
name.  The usual disclaimer applies.

Jim W
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:32:57 -0500
Subject: Marida and Tan FW

Congratulations Marida

I've been looking for a tan featherweight for several years and I've never
even seen one.   A dealer I know has one but won't sell it.  I don't know
how much you paid but sounds like a good deal.I was told there were only a
few tans made.  Also have been told that a few red ones were made.  Anyone
seen one?


Carol A
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:27:31 -0700
Subject: Pins and stamps

Hi Mary,  It was nice to meet you at the Woodbridge show this weekend.  
Glad you are enjoying your pin and stamp.  I use my stamp on all my quilt 
business mail and I think it is the most popular stamp we sell, tho the 
treadle does sell well too.  I haven't gotten a pin yet . . . I know, I 
know, I bought a dozen but will probably have to reorder before I get 
one, it's like the cobblers children have no shoes . . . . 
Debbie in NJ
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:05:37 -0500
Subject: Phyllis/White Featherweights

I've been told by a former Singer man that all the white FW's were made in
England but are made exactly like the black ones.  The later models
(plastic) were not very good but he seemed to think the whites were out of
the same mold.  He was the one who also told be of the existance of the tan
and red ones.  Just saw today about the pink one and would love to see it.
I have one black and two whites and I cannot tell the differance as far as
performance.

Carol A
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:53:10 -0500
Subject: FW Tables

To Mary, I know the man who makes the FW tables.  Looked for his card and
couldn't find it right now.  His first name is Andy.  I bought an old table
he had refinished about four years ago at the AQS show in Paducah, Ky.  He
then started making the new ones and last year they sold for $195.  They are
very nicely made and such fun to have and to set your FW right in it and sew
away.  I paid $195.00 for my old one and have not regretted it.  I don't
know about your area but they are very hard to find here.  I've only seen
one other.  The ones Andy makes look just like my old one.  Hope this helps.
I'll be in Paducah tomorrow night and he will probably be there and I'll get
his card for anyone who needs his address.  There is also an attaching table
to this with only two legs.  Saw it at a dealers in Ok. but it was not for
sale.  If anyone has one to sell I would be interested.

Carol A
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 20:41:05 EDT
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/22/96 Part 1 of 2

A few days ago I asked for help in identifing a table and go no responses.
It is 28 in. high, 39 1/2 in. x 19 3/4 in. with a cut-out 9 1/4 in. x 20 1/2
in.  The top is maple colored wood.  The metal legs are medium tan.  Could
this be a 301 able?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also, have been offered a Singer 600 in a cabinet for $50.  I have not seen
it and know nothing about a 600.  What little I have seen on FWF seems
pretty bad.  Can someone tell me about this machine and what it might be
worth?  Thanks so much for your help.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:53:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: New Willard

Hi Everyone,

Does anyone have any information on a New Willard sewing machine, Model 
#022242 with a date of 11/8/27?  Someone told me about one, but I've 
never heard that name.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Graham, I'm really anxious to hear about the toy sewing machine 
convention in London.  I have about 20 toys and am amazed at how the 
prices have gone up in the last year.  I feel fortunate that I've been 
able to find this many, most of them pretty reasonable.

Am still on the lookout for the *bargain* FW.  At a recent quilt show, 
most of the prices were $400+, so maybe the one I got last year for $280 
was a bargain!

Bye for now........Pat
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:33:47 -0700
Subject: Wait'll I tell ya'all

I'm in deep, deep trouble now!!!!  I was in an Antique store/Junk Store........
whatever title you want to give it......and after spending over 3 hours in the
7 some rooms of this place, as I walke out, the owner, a man named Mark,
asked me if I would be interested in working there.


Well..............do I have to tell you......I was salivating!!!!  OLD 
SEWING MACHINES, PARTS, etc...etc...etc....AND my second obsession.....old
COOKBOOKIS....

I played it "cool"; said I would think about it; he called me Sunday and wanted
to know if I decided......nonchalantly, I said, sure, why not.

Started Monday......Today I came home with boxes (11 to be exact) of all 
sorts of old Singer attachments, including but not limited to the Hemstitcher
and Picot Edger, with complete manual, in original box; not one but two
Buttonhole attachments.....one from 1946 and the other from 1948; A Greist
Rotary buttonhole attachment, with orig. box, and manual, and a New Home
Series B Sewing Machine Manual, has no date, but from what I've read, looks 
to be VERY early 1900's

Just some of the attachments are:
Adjustable Hemmer - Binder Feet - Left and Right Cord feet and Left and right
zipper feet -  Edge Stitchers -  Shirring feet - Rufflers (galore) - Foot 
Hemmers
(different from adj.hemmers)in many sizes from 3/16 - 7/8 and everythiing in 
between  - Bias Gauge -Quilters - Quilter guides - Shirring plates - Tuckers - 
Under Braider and braider foot and this crazy looking thing, called a bias 
gauge-
Singer Material Gripper - Singer universal Threader &Seam Ripper - Hem 
stitching attachment -    Ladies, I never knew there were so many different
attachments way back then!

All I can say, is, between finding those two FW's and now this.....I feel like
I've died and gone to sewer's heaven.

I'll keep my eyes opened for whatever any of you are looking for...just email
me with what you're looking for.  I WILL carry printouts of your messages with
me and will let you know as soon as I locate anything you need.

-=Bobbie=-
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:32:44 -6
Subject: electrical questions

Hi, everyone;

I've been enjoying your newsletter immensely. I'm really impressed
with some of the machines I've been reading about-you've even got me
starting on a search for a FW to go with my Pfaff and my old 127
treadle. I do have a question for you though. When looking at old
machines, I've always worried about the electrical parts. How much
repair can be done on these? If I find a machine with a burnt-up
motor, can it be repaired? Are new motors available for these old
machines? I don't know very much about electrical motors (obviously ;)
 ) and  I'm curious about the extent of repairable damage.

Also, I saw a mention in the last digest that needles for old treadles
are 1/8" longer than regular needles. I've been using regular red band
needles with no trouble-could anybody elaborate on this?

Laurie
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:44:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/22/96 Part 2 of 2

Hi Fanatics,

Just came back from a quilting retreat, tired but ready to roll on 
another project.

I wanted to let everyone know that I have a zigzagger for the 301 with 
some extra cams for $35.00.  I also have some other cams for the 
zigzagger in boxes of 4 for $7.50 each if anyone is interested.  Oh, I 
also have two singer buttonholers for the low shank machines.  Both are 
in  green plastic boxes.  They are $10.00 each.  These prices do not 
include postage.  Just e-mail me if you are interested.

If anyone has an old featherweight case for sale, please let me know.

Betty
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 06:57:58 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/22/96 Part 1 of 2

Hello, All:
   First: FOR SALE :
      1 pasteboard box with dark green marble coloring and silver lettering
"Rotary attachments - inside Greist attachments - 5-stitch ruffler, tucker,
binder,edge stitcher,narrow hemmer, 5 graduated size larger hemmers,3 plates
- use unknown, seam guage and three other pices, use unknown and a screw to
attach the other parts with - $15.00
      2. Black metal box, rectangular in shape with rounded edges, sprial
decorative decals and ROTARY on top, inside, various attachments - $20
      3.WHITE buttonholer with 4 cams in an old leather case, inside is
anothersmaller leather case with 4 more cams, Buttonholer has a red knob on
it. Thie little case is a fold-up and snap affair - $25.00
        4. One oak folding attachment box - empty - but I can probably find
some of the attachments to go with it - $25.00
(To Shirley Senitza - I still have yours if you still want it !)
         5.  a hem gauge -plastic covered cardboard "Domestic Sewmachines" 6"
long, with a needle and thread chart on back - $5.
         6. Pincushion shoe - pewter ladies' high top bow heel ( small dent
on back of shoe - $50
         7.  Pincushion shoe - silver man's lace up - someone described it as
looking like a tapshoe - has orange (!) shoelaces - $50

Next, my local Singer service man apparently has had some complaints from
customers who have called Singer requesting manuals, etc., only to be told
that they must order from their Singer service shop, who dutifully orders
only to be told that they are "Unavailable". I was told the same thing when I
requested manuals for my 66, 301 and 128 - Singer even gave me the part #'s !
So, being the nice guy that he is ( and being that I've spent a wad with him
lately repairing these machines !) he contacted his district rep, who
contaced someone, who contacted someone, and my manuals are on the way ! The
word has been passed to whomever the high mucky-muck handling Consumer
Affairs is to get theri stories straight, because they are being talked up on
the internet. Cross your fingers, gang, we may be getting somewhere ! And in
that vein, my service man also told me my little machine with the fiddle base
must have been some anniversary model, because in all his years he's only
seen one other like it - okay I know we are in the rural part of Arkansas,
make jokes if you will, but I feel much better about paying a paltry sum for
what may be a fairly rare machine !
That's all for now, folks - I'm off to Paducah, KY for the American Quilters'
Society Quilt Show- and I will report to all when I return of my great finds
( I hope!).
Becky S.
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:43:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: featherweights, of course

I had to write a story about my latest black fw purchase - I already spoke
of it, bought at an auction for $200 with its table, so to me the machine
was just an extra. But I've been decrying its terrible condition - the
finish is so dull that there's no shine at all, the fabric that had been
used as a pincushion was still wrapped around the machine with all the
resulting pin scratches underneath (in addition to one on the top by the
light which was no longer there, but still left behind the pin scratches),
the case with the handle in such bad shape I was afraid to use it. But today
I was looking in the case and feel differently about this machine now. The
woman had carefully constructed a little zipper bag to hold the attachments,
there's a plastic case full of bobbins of different colors, plus a bag of
attachments and bobbins for some other machine. Anyways, the point of all
this is that this machine was obviously loved and well used by its owner and
that's really what these machines are all about. They're not museum pieces,
but part of our history - they were meant to be used not just admired from a
distance. So although I treasure my machines that are in much better shape,
this machine now has a special place in my heart, as it no doubt did in the
heart of its original owner. This may all sound silly or strange to you, but
hopefully others can relate to it. Sue M.
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:24:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Touch and Sew

I had to reply to Linda who I'm afraid I offended with my comments about my
Touch and Sew machine - I obviously didn't think it was a bad machine, since
I bought it, I was merely going by what I've heard about the series in the
past. I sometimes feel like I have to excuse my strange Singer purchases
since I seem to want to own them all - not just the "collectible" ones. This
machine seems to run very nicely, the only problem I have is with doing
other than straight stitching - the drop in type of bobbin just doesn't seem
to pull down enough to balance the zigzag or whatever on top. Does anyone
else with this type of machine have tips on how to make it work better? I
tried adjusting the top tension, but it still doesn't look very good. I
don't mean to cause bad feelings with my comments about my machines - I love
all Singers! Sue M.
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Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 4/23/96
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:21:41 -0500

Mary, the Spartan is a Singer machine.  It is a 3/4 size head.  My 
mother sewed on one for years, and then sold it when she got her 
600-series machine (and she's off on vacation, so can't tell y'all 
this).  you got a great deal!  The local singer dealer tells me that he 
will sell me a Spartan for about $50. (when he gets one).

BTW, mom says she never had a moment's trouble with her 600, and my 
younger sister is still using it , along with the "Jetsons" buttonholer! 
  So an offer of one for $50 would be good if it were my mom's machine, 
but what if it were a clunker?  And Mom's still got the "modern" 
cabinet.  She just sets her Bernina on top of it.  Since I still have 
the *very heavy* desk cabinet that came with my 401a that Mom bought me 
in high school, and I just sit my Pfaff on top, guess  I shouldn't 
complain. 20

BTW, if anyone within commuting distance of Columbus Mississippi WANTS 
this cabinet, I have been assured by the Singerman that it will fit any 
flatbed singer.  The cut out is 16 1/2 by 11 3/8 .  it has one missing 
drawer pull (7 drawers) and a couple of cigarette burns on top (not 
me!).  I'm very reasonable about price.  Solid wood.  Very heavy.  About 
1956, I think, or 1958.  Older than I!  I don't have the 401a any more, 
it went schizo. 

Boy, now, a * RED * FW!  That would make people sit up and notice!  I'm 
still looking for an *affordable* white one (ok, all y'all that remember 
Tim's last coup, you may laugh now!  That's why he does the looking, I'd 
pay a lot more...)

about the table, Tim says he's going to let her sit on it...she's not 
needing the money (and my mom's about ready to come down and pester the 
woman to death anyway), and he says he'll up the offer next week.  I'll 
keep you posted.

I use my FW for Topstitching!  Beautiful straight lines.  Also for about 
anything I don't HAVE to get my Pfaff out for.  After listening to all 
you attachment people, I think I'm getting out my zigzagger and playing 
with it.  do you know it makes designs the Pfaff won't?...since several 
of us are on the Pfaffie list too, this should be an interesting 
comment....

Sherrie
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:38:10 -0400
Subject: New acquisitions/info needed!

Last Saturday we saw a Frister &Rossmann "cam action" handcrank in a 
booth at an antique mall.  Only a 5 to 6 on Graham's scale, but I 
thought it was a beauty!  Quite a bit of the gold worn off of the bed, 
but the design on the arm is beautiful--looks to me like it represents 
the moon peeking out from between the leaves of a tree (or large vine!). 
 Price reduced to $225, but having bought so many machines lately, I 
left it there.  Did find and purchase three folding oak attachment 
boxes--1 full, 2 empty; and an "Army and Navy Needle Book."  The needle 
book is in almost perfect condition and made in occupied Japan.

Sunday we went to an antique show that advertised over 650 booths.  I 
bought a Singer handcrank in a bentwood case for $50.00.  Singer says it 
is a model 99K, manufactured in 1927.  (I thought the "K" indicated that 
it was made in Great Britain, but I haven't found any indication of 
where it was made anywhere on the machine.)  It has the daisy pattern in 
gold and is an 8 to 9 on Graham's chart.  Saw one FW there.  An AJ with 
two boxes of attachments and a manual, but too much chipped paint all 
along one edge of the bed for the $375 they were asking for it IMHO.
  
Of course, I was still thinking about the Frister &Rossmann (and DH was 
impressed with it, too), so on the way home, we stopped there again.  We 
had already decided to buy it, then noticed the booth had a "40% off 
everything" sign up.  That was a nice bonus.  The cashier told us 
another couple had been very interested in it earlier, but could not 
open the accessory box and had left.  (The shuttle was not in the 
machine.)  She said she had later discovered how to open it, but did not 
say what it contained and we were too embarrassed to ask!  DH and I just 
looked at each other sheepishly.  We had not known how to open it 
either, and didn't want to risk damaging something we hadn't paid for.  
Hate to admit we were so silly, but we were going to buy it with or 
without the shuttle.  We had a good time on the way home betting whether 
or not the shuttle would be in the accessory box.  Well, it was, along 
with four bobbins, a couple of original attachments, and two packages of 
Frister &Rossman sewing machine needles!  No manual or instructions, 
but DH quickly had it threaded and sewing very nicely!  From reading the 
FWF archives, I know that it was made before 1920 (W. Pierssene was 
listed as the agent on the oval brass plate on the front of the 
machine).  The name of the later agent, O. Quitmann, was on both 
packages of needles, although the address listed was different on each 
one.  If anyone could provide more information or a copy of the manual, 
please let me know.  This must have been a luxury machine in its day, 
with the parquetry design and engraved key plate and handle.

I didn't have any hand crank machines before this past weekend, but now 
I will be able to sew in case of power outages!

Julia
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:24:46 -0500
Subject: Paducah side trip suggestion

If you will be traveling to Paducah from the north on I-57, I 'd like to
suggest that you stop at Carbondale IL on the way down or back to see the
Nimble Thimble Quilt Guild show at Hickory Lodge, 1115 W. Sycamore. They
are open from 8:30 to 4:30 Mon-Fri and the show will be up through April
30. While you're there, give me a call 529-5261, and come by Sassafras
Ridge Bed &Breakfast to visit, talk quilts, FWs, and have a glass of tea.
Our cookie jar is never empty. I'd love to put some faces with the names
I've been seeing.
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:54:01 -0700
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/20/96;  Chris' new FW &Millie's 99-31

CHRIS: If it is a shellac finish on top of your table alcohol(denatured)
will remove the old finish, then sand with 220 paper and refinish with a 
new coat of clear, not amber, shellac.  Actually you will need to put 
down  about three new coats sand lightly between each coat with 220 
paper. When finished,if surface has to much of a shine to suit; then, 
sand lightly with 600 paper and put now a coat of wax on the top.

	Well done on your purchase; don't we all hope that our FWs will 
end up in appreciative hands when it is our turn "to pack it in"!

  MILLIE:  So happy you have 99-31, mine is a dead ringer of yours; does 
your handle have Singer inbeded therein.  It is very nice machine, albet 
a heavy thing.

    Peter
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:03:59 -0400
Subject: Featherweights For Sale

I have several FW's for sale which include 2 Centennial models, 3 white 221K
models, a 1st year 1934 AD model, 1955 AL, 1956 AM and several others. I also
have several 301's. 2 Black w/short bed, &1 tan with long bed. I have
several 401's &404's. All have been serviced and are offered with a
satisfaction guarantee or complete refund. Most of the machines have their
manuals, attachments, bobbins, cases, 221 case keys, and some of the FW's
have the lube tube &buttonholer. The one white 221K has an aftermarket case,
but the machine is in excellent condition with attachments, manual and
several bobbins. This one is priced at $280 + shipping. All other 221's &
221K's are priced in the low $300-400. The black 301's without cases are
priced at $175 + shipping, and the tan 301 with case, attachments, copied
manual is $200 + shipping. The 401's are priced at $200 + shipping. The 404's
are priced at $125 + shipping.       E-mail me if interested.
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:50:44 -0700
Subject: Spartan,White FW etc.

Mary...I have a Spartan Instruction Manual I"ll be glad to send you a copy
of if 
you will email me.

Concerning white FWs, Some people say they are the same as black ones except
for color.  Don"t remember who but someone said a Singer repairman called
the white machine junk.  The reason he said this is that they do in fact
have inferior gears made of plastic. To confirm this, remove the one screw
holding a small cover with the spool holder on top of the FW.  Pull off
cover and see the plastic gears.  If they break....you're outa luck.  As I
understand it, they cannot be replaced and your machine is burnt toast.
Perhaps some old mechanic will confirm this....or dispute it, but that is
what I've been told.

Black FWs have a clear coat sprayed over the black color on the aluminum.
This is to protect both the black and the gold trim.  Otherwise gold
wouldn't last through a quilt.  When gold is worn thru so is the clear
coat.. Sometimes the clearcoat will be worn off on other places where it can
be seen and this causes an uneven surface finish which is why some machines
cannot be polished up evenly as long  as there is some clearcoat and some
missing.  Thru the years this clear coat has darkened and that is why a rag
will turn brown when polishing with something like car turtle wax
(liquid).It is slightly abrasive and it is removing some of the clearcoat
and hence some browness.

It is my experience that FW prices vary greatly in diffrent parts of this
planet. I'm not talking about those cases where someone suckers a person out
of one due to the sellers ignorance  or that rare find in  a flea market.
It appears that top machines prices vary by a couple hundred bucks depending
upon where they are found.  Some people think $300 is high but remember what
Nancy says on page 31.  $600 could be justified at today's wages and $3-400
is nothing less than a bargain for a top machine.  People seem to take her
word as gospel in everything except this.  It really is all relative and I'm
sure none of us would belittle fellow fanatics from seeking out that all
time super deal. I just mention all this because people keep asking what a
good deal is.  Depends.

A couple very nice ladies I know do quilt shows around Northern California
and go by the unique name of "Homegroan."  They have original FW manuals,
Nancy's book plus FW pins and stamps and toy sewing machine stamps too.
They deal in antique sewing collectibles and laces and material.  They have
no catalog because lots of their stuff is one-of-a-kind.  They are not on
line but you can call Jackie at (916)265-2924 to order or see what else they
have.

Hope some of this helps......Stan 
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:46:15 -0700
Subject: New Williard Machines

Pat,  I was given a New Willard for Christmas by my brother and sister-in 
-law, who saw it in an antique store in northern Minnesota and shipped it 
to me because they thought it was pretty and I would like it.  No wonder 
they are my favorites!!  I too would like to find out more about it, I 
hope someone knows something they can tell us.

Debbie
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:02:09 -0400
Subject: Paducah

Without any preplanning, I am going to the quilt show in Paducah. The closest
accommodations I could get are in Murray, about 50 miles away. If anyone out
there has any better ideas, please e-mail me directly, as I will be leaving
town Friday morning.
        I'm trying to thin out my FW collection (read "No room left"from 4/23
FWF) and will try to tote one or two with me,so if you are interested let me
know about that, also. I've never been to this or any other quilt show (going
because my DIL quilts) so I have no idea what it will be like or where to
meet people. Any suggestions would be welcome.
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:57:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: White, light turquoise, mint (whatever) FWs

Hello, again!

It's interesting to read all of the pros and cons of the different colors 
of FWs.  The first FW I purchased was a "white" one and due to unending 
ignorance I didn't realize that there was anything different about it 
except for the color.  Now I realize that its a little more plain and its 
fold down bed extension is shorter.  But I still don't see any any 
difference in the quality, construction, materials used, way it sews, 
weight, height, etc.  However, there is a difference in the amount of 
conversation it creates when I decide to bring that machine to a class as 
most folks have not ever seen one.  So I guess the moral to the story is 
that the white one may actually have a slight edge in the number of 
friends I make as I tend to have longer more in depth conversations with 
those around me because of the machine.  And I love those FW friends!  I 
still am looking for a tan or centennial model.  They may even be better 
at it than Whitey!!

Take care everyone.

Karen
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:47:55 -0400
Subject: 128 for sale

I have a friend with a 128, Centenial Singer for sale. It's # is AJ868907 and
it was born Oct 4 1950. The bentwood case is in good contition, the base well
used and the machine needs to be cleaned (it's been stored in a dusty place
for years). The gold on the base is worn. IT makes a humming noise but
doesn't run. There are no attachments or book. I would love to sell it for
her but I have no idea of a fair asking price. Could someone E-mail me
privately with some hints on the price. I don't want to rip her off.
     Thanks ,
        Nancy C I taught my 6 yo son to sew on my FW ,
just as my mother did for me 40 years ago. What fun!!!!
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:56:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Quilt Shops in Greensboro, NC

I publish the book Quality Quilting Quarters, a listing of quilt shops 
across the country.  According to our book, Fran'z Quilt Shop is located 
at 519 State St. in Greensboro and Log Cabin Craftshop is at 5435 Church 
St., Greensboro.  There are a couple of others nearby too.  Take a look 
at our book at http://www.evansville.net/~peter. You may want to take it 
with you so that you may check out the stores along the way.

Happy travels,
Joanne Do
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:04:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: singer ads

I thought I'd share some of my finds from this morning's perusal of my
wonderful Singer ads. 1953 was the year for really big ads for the 301 - I
assume that the biggest promotion would be given to their newest machines.
1954 ads feature the "new swing needle" 306 machine and 1956 had big ads for
the 319. 1956 is the first mention of oyster white/beige version of the 301.
1958 the "new" 185j is first advertised, 1959 being the year for the big ad
promoting this machine. I also thought the pricing info was interesting: in
1955 the 301 was $227.50 while it was down to 149.50 in the 1960 ad. The fw
went the other way, $119.50 in 1955 and $132.50 in 1960. The 185j was listed
at $119.50 in 1959, but was down to $79.50 in the 1960 xmas ad. Another
thing I thought was interesting was that the 1956 ad for the 301 says it
comes with an automatic zigzagger - wonder why none of mine did?- probably
in response to the interest in the 306 and 319 machines. I know none of this
is really factual info since I don't have access to all the ads of those
times, and as we well know ads are not always totally reliable, but it is
interesting to note the changes over the years. Just more fascinating Singer
facts! Sue M.
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: FW's For Sale

  Time to do a new list, 3 found new homes and I have two others one an 
AE ScrolledFace that I will detail when I finish preping it but think 
this will be in the $395 category. The other is a White EV which I will 
just list with the rest.

AG  Case, Manual, some attachments, even wear  $375
AJ  Save as above
AL  Same as above but $450.
AE  Case, attachments, manual (copy) mint conditon $525.
AM  Great case, attacments, orig. manual, mint condtion $510
EV  White, great condition, some scratches near the feed dog cover 
screw area, case in very good condition, original manual with 
Featherweight name on the manual, button holer with many cams and 
original manual included, great stitch. $395.

     An assortment of AJ's and AL's for $450. $30 for shipping, handling, 
tracking, and insurance. If you need more info e or call at 
619-753-5418.  Evening or real early morning. Zsux
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:30:13 -0500
Subject: FWs spotted at Antique Show

This is for FWFs in the Houston area.  I spotted 3 FWs at an antique show
this past weekend.  All looked like they were above a 7 on the scale with
books, attachments, keys and oil cans.  Prices for each of the three were,
$350, $375, and $475.  The dealer is in the Stafford,TX area.  If you are
interested call Carolyn Lopez (713) 771-3182.  Her shop is called
ETC.SHOPPE (Every Thing Collectible). I mentioned I would put this on the
Internet.  You might mention this and see if you can get any special
discount.

Pattie
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Date:         Thu, 25 Apr 96 12:32:17 EDT
Subject:      FWFanatics 4/25/96

First of all, to Sue--no apology necessary, no offense taken!  I enjoy
everyone's comments about sewing machines, both pro and con.  It's a great
way to learn.  Just thought I'd add my two cents.  About your problem with
zigzag stitching, I don't really have a solution, but I do seem to have to
loosen the top tension a lot when doing zigzag stitching on my 640.
Secondly, to Bobbie--I am J-E-A-L-O-U-S!  What a great job.  My problem
with working somewhere like that would be that I'd find so much stuff I
want for myself, I'd owe my employer money come pay day.  I love cook books,
too.  I've been collecting for 28 years.  My DH could have killed me when
we moved about a year ago--boxes and boxes of cook books. What will he do
if I start collecting sewing machines?!  Or maybe it's too late.  I have
three already.

Linda
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:52:23 -0400
Subject: Zig-Zag Attachment

Hi Fellow Fanatics!

I have a wonderful local Singer guy searching for a zig-zag attachment for
my 222FW.  I'm sure he'll find one eventually, but as I wait in
anticipation I'd like to ask about any actual working experience with
this attachment.  Does it do a good quality satin stitch? Is it easy to
use, or tricky?  I'm completely intimidated by attachments like the
ruffler and tucker, and hope the zig-zagger is a bit easier.

He's also looking for a table for me, and other goodies.  Truly another
Mr. Wonderful!

TIA
Anne
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:25:01 -0400
Subject: Subscribe and looking for information

Hi, I don't have a featherweight but wouldn't mind aquiring one!!  I 
would like to subscribe to your list.  I do have a couple of old singers, 
one from the 20s and one from the 50s.  The newer one is missing a knee 
bar, it's one of those "portable" ones with the mailbox like carrying 
case (both of them are actually), they both need lightbulbs, and I need 
instruction on how to change one!  It's like one of those brain-teaser 
puzzles!  Anyway, does anyone have sources for old singer parts?  I've 
been informed that the knee bars are not available from Singer anymore, 
but there's got to be a "singer graveyard" somewhere!!!  Thanks for any 
info!!

Sheri B
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:44:41 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/24/96

After reading about Betty's new job today I had to wipe my chin, hadn't
realized i was drooling. Have fun Betty! 
         
      To Bobbie: 
    
                 A shop close to me has a black fw case for sale. its not
there but she knows about my obsession and told me if i ever needed a case
she has one. If you want I'll ask her what she wants for it, and if it has
a tray in it or not.You can E-mail me if you like. 
 
         A man called me today with a treadle for sale, Singer about 75
yrs. old and thats all he knows. Needs a bobbin which he said our local
mechanic carries . I asked him what he wanted because I don't own one yet
and he offered it for 60.00. That was good enough for me! He's to call me
back to say when I can pick it up. 
I hope he doesn't change his mind, I hope I did the right thing.Anyway this
ad has me in touch with all kinds of folks and it's been interesting to say
the least. I've gotten all kinds of calls, mostly from people not knowing
what they have and me trying to figure it all out. No fws yet but then
stranger things have happened, right? Thanks again to Millie for all your
advice, 
 
                  Maggie
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:12:11 -0700
Subject: Re: FW and 99

I have asked this question before but unfortunately have not heard back from 
anyone.  Could some of you please advise me on what 1/4" foot is best for the 
FW 
and 99?  I have tried the Elna one and it will not let the needle go up and 
down.  Thank you to anyone that can help me.

Elizabeth
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 16:53:16 -0700
Subject: New Fanatic

I took my Singer 201 in for a cleaning and adjustment.  I decided to look 
up the "old girl" on the web for information about it. I bought it for 
$20, including its original hardwood case.(20 yrs ago) I accidently ran 
accross the FWFanatics archives.  I could not stop reading it.  When I 
went back to the dealer to pick up my 201 there was a 221 with a SS#AF###
It's bithday is Aug 15 1941 by Singers records.  

Anyway, I want to be included in your group.  My new machine is at least 
a 7.  The case is a bit rough but attachments were included (aslo 
buttonhole gadget)  the gold paint is worn in the front only, from use 
but all else is in great working order.  I paid $300 for this machine and 
from what I can tell that was a good price.  

I will fill out my survey as soon as possible but I had to tell you that 
I am sold!

I have always loved antiques!  I am also a begginer quilter/sewer.  

Bye for now.
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:12:51 -0400
Subject: FW prices

Hi:

There's been a lot of discussion about what is a fair price for a FW.

If you're lucky you'll come across a FW early in your search and perhaps pay
well below current market ( I found my first FW at a nearby
consignment/antique shop my  first weekend for $120.) ... Or better yet you
may really luck out and find the ultimate deal ( my best purchase was a FW
of 9 condition for $20 at an auction where they usually go for $200+ but it
was late in the day and all the regular buyers had gone home) ... or it
you're not so lucky, you'll spend weekend after weekend traveling all over
the countryside trying to find that elusive black (or white) beauty (I've
done that for months on end).  

Deciding if a price is fair, obviously depends on whether you are the buyer
or seller. As a seller I know that on average I'll spend at least 40 hours
of my time and about $30 to $50 on gas and  wear and tear on my car to
locate a good machine.  If you figure your time is worth at least $7.00 per
hour, then you've already invested over $300 and that is before you've
purchased the machine.  So as a seller, I have no problem justifying an
asking price of $350 to $450 for each FW.  If you look at it that way, the
seller is earning a little over the minimum wage rate for the time invested
in each FW sale.

As a buyer it might seem outrageous to pay $350 for something that can be
found at a garage sale for $25.  That's probably true if you are one of the
lucky ones who finds a FW early in your quest.  However, the odds are most
likely against you in achieving early success ( and some FW hunters give up
after long searches).  So before you jump to the conclusion that some prices
are too high for FW's be sure to consider the value of your time and how
much of that valuable time you'll spend before finding one of these great
little machines.

It is, however, amazing that although I fully realize that I'm not making
any real money in my quests for the holy grail (i.e. FW's), I continue to
search for them religiously.  It is why we call ourselves Fanatics. 

For those of you who are newcomers bitten by the FW bug, don't despair.
I've been a Fanatic for less than 3 years and in that time I've had as many
as 15 FW's hidden all over the house (I'm currently down to 5 and starting
to search again)  ... and I still remember the incredible day when I found 4
FW's, in condition 7 or better, at a single auction and brought home all 4
of them.

Thanks for listening

Bob C
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:23:45 -0700
Subject: 2 used machines

In the store where I'm now working [part time] there are two machines

1) A green Singer - Model  338

       Has a Manual
       Has 10 black, plastic cams
       Foot control
       No carrying case
  Anyone interested before we put it out for sale?

2) A Dressmaker brand machine VERY, VERY CLEAN
It's a bullet shaped head, in carrying case.....Ser# 00147315
Has no manual...does have foot pedal.  I cannot believe what great condition
this machine is...anyone interested before we put it out for sale?

-=Bobbie=-
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Subject: 80 or sew featherweights for Sale
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:30:31 -0500

Featherweights for Sale.  Dad has 80 or sew featherweights for sale.  Some real 
nice AL and AM's, extra
nice.  Some AJ's, and a couple AE's.  Price ranges from $325 to $550.  And 
featherweight advise,
free for the phone call.  Just call my Mom and Dad, Dale and Deloris Pickens, 
those featherweight
safari hunters.   Several satisfied Internet customers allready!  Check out 
featherweight information
page.

http://www.icsi.net/~pickens

Gail
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>Subject: 
>
>I am in Tasmania Australia, and love singer machines.  I do patchwork and
leatherwork and leather patchwork on them.  I find the older machines sew
better than newer machines.  But....I prefer singers over any others.
>
>I am looking forward to receiving mail from emailers.
>
>Does anyone have addresses where I can find parts for my singers as the
sewing centre in our capital city does not seem to be helpful at all.
>
>I am also after manuals for these machines, the 6156528 treadle
>                                                1525728
>and the hand turn EF 146840
>
>please email me as soon as possible
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>loved your page and learned heaps and heaps..dont you just love the
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:23:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Ending -- Eventually


To Viola: E-mail me your snail mail address and I'll send you a
photocopy of the bottom of a Greist buttonholer box.  It shows various
types of attaching mechanisms (including the horizontal ones) and that may
help you decide what goes with what.

A question: I think I want to lube my FW.  I poked a long quilter's pin
down one of the tubes and it came up with blackish-greenish gunk clinging
to it.  NO, I did not pull all the "felt" out.  My question is: the tubes
appear to have silver-colored "caps" at the top/end.  Do these unscrew, or
do you just insert the tip of the lubricant tube into the opening of the
silver part and squeeze??

Well, we almost came to blows earlier this week, but I'm happy to report
we are all now living happily ever after.

It seems DH kept mumbling things like "yes, but when are you really going
to SEW with that thing??..." so I decided that I would piece this year's
ABC Challenge Quilt on my FW.  I began by explaining very gently and at
length to my Necchi that she would be going on vacation for a little
while, just temporarily, and after all, we really have to let the little
one out of her case to stretch her gears sometime, don't we?  So I unplug
and take the Necchi out of the table, and set up the FW.  I thread her all
up, put on the Little Foot, and sew a test swatch.   Hmmmmm.....we appear
to have skipped stitches.  I turn the swatch over....yes, indeed, skipped
stitches.  Apparently the FW is not fond of the Little Foot (Phil, don't
panic, it all works out, I promise!). 

OK, so I go back to the original Singer foot, sew another test
run.....hmmmmm....we still appear to have skipped stitches.  So I turn the
swatch over and discover.... skipped stitches, AND LOOPS.  BIG LOOPS! 
I thought maybe this was due to uneven speed, since I'm not used to the
small button on the pedal.  Tried to sew at a more even speed, maybe??  No
such luck!

This is not what I bargained for.  OK, start exploring the machine.   I
discovered that I had the bobbin unwinding in the wrong direction in the
bobbin case.  Good!  Not exactly, still had skipped stitches and LOOPS.
Starting reading Nancy's book, VERY carefully.  Also discovered that the
needle was in with the flat side reversed.  Fixed that, YES??  NO!! Still
more loops.  By this time the Necchi is snickering into her bobbin
case because of all the problems I'm having with the upstart little
whippersnapper of a FW who is apparently developing an attitude.

I then decided to be extremely brave and do the bobbin case
thing.  Unplugged her and took her down to the kitchen (where I can see
what I'm doing), got out my toolkit, and (nervously) began following
directions.  Finally got the bobbin case out and guess what I found??
NOTHING!!!  Not a spec of lint or thread.  I did the minor oiling, got
everything back together again, still got LOOPS, and decided to call it quits
for the night.

Next evening, I decide I have to be even braver and try taking the tension
assembly apart.  I'm still reading Nancy's book, and I'm about to start
taking things off the machine when the Featherweight Fairy appears over my
shoulder and whispers:
"Cheap........polyester.........thread..........If..you..use..it.........
she..will..jammmmm........"  Well, I'm smarter than that, but it did occur
to me to try a different spool of thread.  And then it occurred to me that
in looking at the &*Y^%^)()* loops the bottom thread looked really tight. 
So I loosened the tension on the bobbin case about 1/4 turn.  And since I
had been reading Nancy's book so thoroughly, I paid particular attention
to the part in the original manual where it says: "Hold the spool tightly
with the right hand, and with the left hand pull the thread up under the
take-up spring (4) until it enters the retaining fork (3)".  In doing
this, I realized it takes quite a bit of pressure to get the thread seated
properly between the tension disks, and I think that was at least part of
the problem.

Well, guess what, both of us are now humming along, doing our machine
piecing, Little Foot and all. In the middle of all of this, I had just about
decided to name the machine "Lucy" (as in Charlie Brown), because she was
being such a fussbudget.  However, given that I hadn't really threaded her
properly, I decided that wasn't exactly fair.  So I have compromised (sort
of) and decided on "Lucinda", which is close enough to "Lucy", but rather
old-fashioned sounding and maybe even a little genteel. As far as I can
tell, she doesn't object.

Lydia 
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:23:55 -0400
Subject: quilt patterns

Remember the 1932 newspaper quilt patterns which I offered to make copies
of?  Well, I have a few sets left which remain at $5 including postage.
First come, first serve.  There are 38 patterns, each on an 11 X 17 sheet.
And the print quality is very good.  With the oversized paper, envelopes and
postage costs, I must admit that I underestimated my expenses and need to
sell these remaining sets to cover my costs.  Thanks!!

I have the Featherweights listed below for sale.  BTW has anyone ever heard
them called Bantam?

AE212602 -  7/13/36
AF875757 -  4/1/41
AM174221 -  6/10/55
AM393478 -  2/27/56
AM693805 -  1/29/57

All have case, attachments, manual.  I will be back online Monday to answer
specific questions and offer more details on each.  Thanks. Millie
Millie Ma
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:08:05, -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/25/96

Elizabeth...concerning what 1/4" foot you can use...I use the "Little Foot"
on my FW.  Works great! (I got mine at my quilt shop, but you can also mail
order them.)
  I sure enjoy the fanatics newsletter....it gets me enthused about
haunting the antique shops, junk shops and yard sales.  I have 5 machines,
4 of which work...one is just the head off a treadle that someone was going
to throw out! (if that's the correct term...I mean, it's out of a cabinet,
but the cabinet is no more) Interesting, I acquired a treadle cabinet at
the same time (also on it's way out the door, into the trash)...but the
cabinet is a White and the machine is a Minnesota (shuttle bobbin).  Anyone
ever heard of those??? I haven't had any luck at the library looking for
books that might show various old machines...(Is there such a thing? or
possibly a place on the internet that lists old machines?)...would love to
find out more about the Minnesota.
  Anyway...I was about to say, that although I have 5 machines already,
only one of them is a featherweight and I have three little girls who all
think this one's just the sweetest little thing!  I guess that means I need
to find AT LEAST 3 more! g.
  One more thing...I hear you all talking about cleaning up the machines--
have heard mention of Murphy's Oil Soap.  I haven't subscribed that long
and wondered if it's written somewhere in detail what the best methods are
for cleaning these oldies up.
  Thanks!
  ...cath
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:15:05 -0400
Subject: Machine I.D.

My sister has a hand crank machine.  It is in excellent condition and has
been loaned out to a lot of young girls learning to sew.  The wooden cover
is beautifully curved and the handle on the wheel is porcelain and fold into
the wheel so the case can fit down over it.  There is no company name on the
machine that we could discover, but there was a number: 7 1997394.  The 7 is
lower than the rest of the numbers.  I loved using this little gem when I
was young, but it took patience to learn to hold the fabric with the left
hand whilst turning the wheel with the right hand.  

Thanks, Julie
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:46:20 -0400
Subject: Questions

I love this exchange. . .
I have several questions.  Can someone describe a FW centennial model.  I
assume it was made in celebration of Singer's 100th year in business.  What
does it look like?

Do all FW keys fit the locks on all cases?

I've also wanted to know about cases.  Does the larger FW case with the
liftout tray belong to certain years.  And likewise, does the smaller case
with the compartment to the leftside belong to other years.  If so, does
anyone know which.  Or was this just an option when buying a featherweight?

To:  Becky S. re. Singer manuals.  I have had good success getting through to
the Singer 800 number and in learning about my machines.  I needed a manual
for a 128 and they referred me to a National Service Center in N. Cal.  The
NSC contact was very helpful and is sending the manual plus a few others
supplies that I needed.  In my case,  the local Singer "authorized" service
shop is not one that is recommended by anyone in my circle of quilters.  We
all go to an independent shop.  Good luck!

I'm off to two large rummage sales this weekend, one starts at 7 a.m. before
the kids or DH are even thinking of getting up on a Saturday morning!
 Cheers!  -Mari
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Date: 26 Apr 96 16:58:10 EDT
Subject: Contribution

Hi everyone,

Well, the ISMACS convention is over -- we had 170 visitors  from 18 different
countries and 130 antique machine in our auction.Plus, around 50 cheaper
machines which we set up on a sales table and which had to be priced at less
than $150. Full results of the auction will appear in the next ISMACS news

After the two-day convention, 21 of us toured Germany and Holland to visit
Europe's top sewing machine museums. Everything went just great and we didn't
lose a single person.

The world record $13,000-plus for a Sandt toy machine from Germany almost went
back to its homeland and the Mey Museum near Stuttgart but was eventually 
bought
by a London sewing-machine dealer. 

All the prices were high. A Singer Automatic -- that's the turn of the century
chain-stitch machine built to rival Willcox and Gibbs made $600 and even the
later model 30 claw-foot chain stitcher was fetching over half that.

Three FWs turned up, one 221K and two 222K free-arm machines. Won't tell you 
the
prices for these as I bought them on commission for customers.

I've peeked into my mailbox and will get a grip on the guestions straight away.

To Bobbie
Congratulations on the antique store job. Do you want to keep an eye open for
old typewriters for me? Must be last century. I guess the easiest indication of
whether it's of interest would be -- if at first glance it doesn't look 
anything
like a typewriter, it could be exciting..

To Laurie

There is no hard and fast rule over needle length. Some manufactures would 
build
machines to accept common needles but others would deliberatley  make it
impossible for common needles to work and thus hope to boost the sale of their
own.

To Stan

Re quality of white (green) 221Ks. My information on this is that the Singer co
both in the USA and the UK went over to plastic gears at the same time towards
the end of the FWs life. Reason for the plastic was not to save money but to
make the machine run with less noise. A Singer agent who was very active in the
50s said that Singer, following lots of requests, would supply the plastic 
gears
so that repairmen could fit them to earlier machines during rebuilds. 

To Debbie 

Your New Willard was made by the White SM Co of Cleveland Ohio in the first
quarter of this century. White started in business in the mid 1870s and was
taken over by a japanese company in the late 1960s.

To all; re red etc FWs

Must be 20 years back in San Francisco, I was in one of those home-made candles
and dried flower craft shops near Castro. There were about 30 old machines for
sale in all colours of the rainbow including red and blue FWs.
In the back of the shop smoking a strange-smelling cigarette was a long-haired
guy with a small compressor and spray gun and a bunch of new decals. "Any 
colour
you like, man -- I sell a hundred a week"

Could be this was the source of the red and other colour FWs.

To Mary
The Spartan mentioned in Grace Cooper book is a different machine from the
Singer model. 

To Alex

Treadle machines are still produced -- there's quite a bit of the world out
there that doesn't have electricity. I heard that Singer's headquaters in China
is now producing a treadle model.

Re your Demorest. Sorry to have kept you waiting on this one. 
Madam Demorest was the fashion queen of New York in the 1860s. She published a
monthly fashion magazine, supplied paterns, silks cottons etc and at one time
produced a small -- and useless -- portable running stitch machine.
What you have is a machine made by the Demorest Mfg Co, an engineering company
which used the famous Demorest name to promote the product.
Machines were made from 1882 in NYC but the campany then moved to Plattsburgh 
NY
and continued in production until 1908.

I have a very fine engraving of Madam D and could send you a copy if you let me
have a snail address.

To Jill re FW prices

I'm only putting in here bacause you do not appear to have had any response to
how much you should offer for a FW. This may make me appear kinda hard, but why
are you thinking of offering anyway? When you go into a supermarket you are 
told
the price and can make a choice. No checkout girl every asked "What will you
offer".
The onus of setting a price should rest with the seller. If you ever ask the
price at an antique show and get a "What will you offer?" response, my advice 
is
to just walk away -- trying very hard not to be rude.
Of course if you are dealing with the family friend or the little old lady
across the street, then things are different and the price you offer is what 
you
think it's worth in relation to what you can afford.

To Beth re Kimball machine.

John Kimball was a senior Singer technician in Scotland when he and another
workmate , Morton left the factory to set up in business and make machine on
their own behalf. Company started about 1870, Made domestic machines and a
famous range of sail-making models for the shipbuilding industry.
In the early years of this century they began to import cheap German machines
and adding their name before re-selling.
Most desireable machines from the company's range are figurals which look like
statues of lions but are in fact fully-working sewing machines. First version
was produced in 1873 as a standing Lion. A more refined version with the lion
sitting on a rock was produced in the 1903 period.
Only one collection has examples of both models -- the Maggie Snell collection
in London, although both Lions are presently on loan to the Mey museum in
Stuttgart.
If the Kimball in the thrift shop is a LION go get it at whatever the cost.

To Mary re Spartan
Singer UK have told me, and their early literature bears out, that there was
never a 192 produced in K (Scotland). Incidently, the birth date they gave you
was the date on which the EP series was first used. The EP series ran until
March 1960 so you machine could date anywhere in that period. My guess is that
this is what Singer do every time as, to my knowledge, sn did not give accurate
date information until the 1970s.

To Suzy re Brimfield
The Brimfield antiques show, the biggest in the world outside the UK, is held
three times a year beginning on the Tuesday following the second Monday ( I 
know
that sounds daft but it's somethinmg to do with Labour Day etc) of May, July 
and
September.
The May show is the largest but the weather is traditionally foul, July is far
too hot for comfort but September is OK.
Brimfield is a small town on Rt 20 just off the Mass Pike bwetween the Auburn
and Palmer exits -- about 70 miles from Boston.
It's a series of shows held on various fields in and around the town. Typically
about four fields will open up at daybreak (really) on the Tuesday, perhaps
another couple at 6 am and two more at mid-day. The same thing happens the next
day. One or two more open on the Thursday. Friday is a blank but new shows open
on the Saturday although many dealers from earlier days tend to move in here in
the hope of picking up new customers.
Time was I could fill a container with the machines bought at Brimfield but now
there will be a score of collectors and dealers out there picking. You will 
find
machines but the trick is to get there and buy them at $30 before the 
specialist
dealers offer to re-sell at $300.
Lodging is very difficult. Most local motels, even the big chains hike their
prices. Get a list from Sturbridge Tourist Office. Can recommend the Publik
House at Southbridge Mass but they won't take credit-card bookings. If you have
a camper use it. No hook ups but 24-hour parking close enough to walk to all
venues is freely available in fields behind the shows and you avoid the
fansastic trafic jams getting into town every morning.
You'll love it but you've gotta be tough. Any further info needed please e-mail
me.

To Mary re the Wilson and Gibbs
This was either Wheeler and Wilson or Willcox and Gibbs. If Wilcox and Gibbs 
the
price is OK. If Wheeler and Wilson price also ok if it is a curved needle
machine with the whole top arm pivoting. If not, pass it by.

To Margel re Gloria toy

Will pass your request for a Casige Gloria to the German toy colectors' society
and hope that theu will be able to help.

To all
Did I read that right. A 222K free-arm for $1300? There's been one sitting in a
shop in London for over a year at just less than $1000 and I laugh every time I
go by -- or am I completely out of touch?

To all
I hope that this and the batch of e-mail I just completed gets me up to date. 
If
you wrote me and haven't had an answer please re-send -- I always have a 
feeling
that mail disappears.....

Graham F
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:48:22 +0000
Subject: Non-FW Question (Singer 301C)

Hello all,

I have a non-FW question.  Does anyone know what a Singer 301C is.  I 
would like to know if it is a "touch and sew" machine, or some other 
class or what.  I have only had one other sewing machine in my life, 
so I don't know how this machine compares to anything else.  Does 
anyone know if this machine is generally thought to be very good?

Thanks for any help.
Best Wishes,

Taunya
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Date: 26 Apr 96 19:05:50 EDT
Subject: Re: Manual

I called Singer on Monday to find out the BD and model number of my treadle
machine. It is a 1939 model 15. In rather sad shape, even though the cabinet is
beautiful and she sews well. Living in Hawaii takes a toll on anything metal 
and the chrome and other metalwork on this machine is somewhat pitted.

Anyway, when I called Singer they offered a photocopy of the manual to me
without charge, without me even asking for it...the phone operator just offered
it. I was thrilled with the service. The manual arrived today. Brava to Singer!

Charlene
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:34:52 -0400
Subject: Archives

I have printed out all of the archives I could and am taking them out of
town with me. (Business trip)  I love reading them.  There is so much to
learn.  

The machine that I recently purchased shined up so pretty that it amazed me.
I am well pleased with my new machine.   

I found a box of attachments in a local antique shop.  It had an old ruffler
that will fit my low shank stamped with the Singer logo.  It also had
several other attachments.  The owner said I could have the box for $5 and
what ever the junk was inside, I could throw away.  Amazing that I am having
such luck..   I don't expect it to continue.  I also found an Singer treadle
with a "G" serial number.  You talk about pretty.  This thing had rainbow
colors, in great condition, with a mahogony cabinet......$75.  What do you
think?  I have just spent all my mad money  on the FW.  Do I dare?????

One store I looked at had an AL FW that was so saddly taken care of.  It had
no case, no attachments, except for the buttonhole gadget.  The paint was
shipped the mechanics were rusted, maybe the bobin was in good order, I dont
know.  the guy wanted $75 for it.  I will gladdly give someone the phone
number if you are interested.   This same fellow had old pattern books from
the 1910's-1930's.  It was so neat.  Also had Mcalls articles,  I loved the
ones about being a "modern woman".   I looked for Singer Adds and didn't see
any, I had to hurry, I was on my lunch hour.

I won't mention it again, but I don't have a spell checker.  An extended
appology for the rest of our friendship.  I wont get any better than this.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 21:55:02 -0400
Subject: FOR SALE

Hi:

I have a FW for sale for $385.00  It's an AD. (1934)    It has a lot of
chrome as well as the scrolled face plate, and the tensioner does not have
any markings.   The gold trim is in excellent shape and I'd say its
condition is between 7 to 8.  The case is in very good condition.  It did
not come with any attachments although I will include several miscellaneous
Singer attachments that I have.  I'm asking $375.00 plus insurance and
shipping ( that usually amounts to about $25.)


Thanks

Bob C
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:01:21 -0400
Subject: Help
 
--Hi All, 
             I'll try to keep this short so here goes; 
      1) What is a New Victory ? Or should I say does anybody have one?
I've been offered one in a very ornately carved cabinet as described by its
owner. Its a treadle and she thinks about 1920.She only wants 50.00 so I
might take a look. 
 
  2)I bought a White Family Rotary head today. Horrible shape but I'm
slooooowly cleaning her up sn.FR251344 No cabinet and kept in a barn for
god only knows how long , I felt sorry for it but I know nothing about it
either so I could sure use some input. Lots of pretty flowers around base
and everywhere else.no motor, nothing came with it at all. 
      3)To anyone with a Treadle model 27, also took her home, no cabinet,
nothing. I'm practicing on cleaning up these 2 orphans and hoping to learn
about their parts the hard way. Anyone bored and willing to share can mail
me if they like, I'd love some info.These guys look like they went thru
flood- fire and then sat in the mud forever, now I know the true meaning of
the word GUNK. 
They only cost me 5.00 . Think I can use them as doorstops? 
    
 
Maggie A
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:02:07 -0400
Subject: Singer Survey

Singer Fanatics
Here it is - a Singer Survey for treadles through 301s.  It doesn't go beyond
301s because I don't have any that new and I don't know what questions to ask
so for now this survey is just up to 301s.  

                                  Survey for Singer Sewing Machines

For treadles, hand cranks and electrics up to 301s not including 221 (see FW
Survey on the WWW at http://quilt.com/FWF.  Goal: to create a more detailed
descriptions of each model for distribution to FWFs.  Select more than one
answer per question where appropriate.  Call Singer customer service for info
by serial # at 1-800-877-7762.

1. Serial #:
2. Date/Year of Manufacture:
3. Model #:
4. Manual: a) yes  b) no
5. Power:  a)treadle  b)hand crank  c)electric, knee lever  d) electric, foot
pedal 
	e) electric, knee and foot
6. Bobbin:  a)shuttle  b)round, side load  c) round, top load   d) no
bobbin/chain stitch
7. Bobbin winder:  a) shuttle, high mounted  b) shuttle, low mounted
	c) round bobbin, thread goes through cleat on right of machine
	d) round bobbin, thread goes through	tension disks on right side 
	e) other (describe)
8. Balance wheel:  a) spoked b) solid   c) chrome edge  d) same color as
machine
9. Color of machine:  a) black  b) tan/beige c) white/green	 d)
other____________
10. Finish of machine:  a) shiny   b) matte/crinkle/godzilla
11. Face plate: a) flat b) not flat
12. Face plate design: a) grapes  b) floral/leaves   c)
lined	d)other____________
13. Plate on back right side of machine:   a) none   b) round   c) upside
down pear     	       d) other__________
14. Design on rear plate:  a) grapes   b)floral    c)lined    d) no design
15. Stitch length adjuster:  a)unmarked knob	  b) unmarked knob in short 
slot
	c) flat lever in numbered slot	 d) thumb screw in numbered slot
	e) thumb screw in slot next to numbered slot with indicator
	f) other (please describe or draw if mailing) 
_____________________________
16. Reverse stitch:  a) yes   b) no
17. Zigzag built in:  a) yes  b) no
18. Upper thread tension: a) unmarked in front    b) unmarked on  left side
   
	c)numbered in front
19. Decals:  a)Sphinx   b)mother of pearl   c) design with shells    d)
delicate floral     	e) heavy floral   f) red/green/gold   g) other (describe
design and color)
20. Medallion:  a) small (1 1/4 high)  b) large (1 5/8 high)  
	c) commemorative (describe)   d) anniversary (describe)
21. Head size:  measured from face plate to far end of  balance wheel  
	length in inches _________
22. Bed size:  length _______   width _______   depth _______    
23. Fold down extension bed:   a) none   b) short 5 5/8in   c) long ____in
24. Needle:  a) straight   b) slant
25. Shank:   a) low	b) high
26. Light mounted:  a) front   b) back   c) none
Container:
      27. Treadle cabinet:
	a) # of total side drawers:  _______  
	center drawer:    b)tilt out    c)slide out  d) none
	e)box  covers machine on top of cabinet   f) machine folds down into table
	extension table:   g)full size folds over top   h)small that folds down to
side
		i) box top that unfolds into table extension to sides and back
	j)closed cabinet (drawing room cabinet)
     28. Portable: (provide height, length, width of case)
	a) bentwood/dome top/breadbox case
	b) fabric covered case (color ________)
	c) case detaches from base of machine and pulls off
	d) side opening case (like suitcase)
	e) other
     29. Built in electric cabinet:
	a) knee lever    b)foot pedal     c)both
	d) one piece table extension to one side    e)split extension half to each
side
     30. Folding Card table  a) measurement of top and height   
              b) measurement of cut out   c) metal legs  d) wooden legs
31.  Your name and E-mail address
32.  City and State
33.  Add anything here that was not covered in the questions above. 

Thanks.
P.S.  I would be interested in collecting information sheets sent out by
Singer if you would not mind snail mailing to me.  Thanks again.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:32:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Frister &Rossmann 


Today I came home with a machine I never expected to!

I had planned to spend a little time checking out garage sales
around lunchtime -- I had DH and my littlest one with me for
lunch, and just wanted to spend some time fooling around with
them and looking for a machine (all at the same time!)  Anyway,
there was a flea market advertised in a parking lot, and I
thought it might be fun, but when we got to the parking lot in
question, there was no flea market.  There was an antique mall
there, though, which had just moved in, so we decided to go in and
look around. 

Things were pretty high-priced -- borderline carriage-trade.  My DH
almost choked when he saw the $5500 price tag on a brass canopy bed!
So I had no hopes or expectations at all, and in fact almost overlooked
the little machine I carried home for $65!

The machine is  a Frister &Rossmann, a portable hand-crank.  It isn't
in terrific shape (it's been well-used) -- probably a 6 on Graham's 
scale.  But it's beautiful -- the gold work on the black paint is
a delicate floral design, with little mother-of-pearl florets in a few
spots on the base of the machine.  The case is inlaid wood -- in
a strip across the front of the base, just covered by the top of the 
case when it's buttoned up, is a ruler made from inlaid wood, with
"Frister &" to the left, and "Rossmann" to the right -- the inlaid
wood that spells out the names is in tiny squares that make the names
look like they were worked in petit point!  Even the top of the case
is inlaid with a pretty geometric design!

It has a long shuttle (a first for me!) which took some time to 
figure out.  It won't take universal needles, so I have to find some
that will fit.  (The shank on a regular needle is too thick to fit
into the clamp.)  It also needs a bit of rubber replaced on the 
bobbin winder to make it run correctly.  And it's missing one of the
shuttle covers, the right one.  I've cleaned the mechanical parts I
could reach without further disassembly with a toothbrush, and oiled
it some, and it runs like a top now.

I've uncovered some references in the FWFanatics archives to these
machines, but I don't have access to three or four months worth, so
I don't even know if some of my questions have been answered or not!
Across the top of the machine, it says "Frister &Rossmann Berlin",
and on the medallion on the front it says, "Manufactured in Germany,
Sole Agent V. Pierssene, 49 Fore St., E.G."  Does this provide any
clues about when it was made?  

Also, it doesn't always appear to have been used as a hand crank --
there are also holes drilled through the base, and there is a 
place on the wheel for a belt to fit, so it looks like it was also
set up to be a treadle machine.  On the other hand, the hand crank
also appears to be original equipment.  Were these machines 
convertible -- treadles until you needed to move them, then you just
unhooked the belt, put the top on, and carried it off?

I read that a British company (in London) bought the name F&R after
Pfaff bought the actual company, and someone (Greta?  I didn't see 
an e-mail address in the archives) had a price list for parts dated
1970.  Is this company (O. Quitmann) still in business, or is there
some other source for parts/information/manuals?  

And, finally, there are three plates that slide out of place in
the base of the machine.  All three are kind of long and skinny.
Two cover the shuttle race, one to the left and one to the right.
(The cover on the right hand opening is missing.)  The third one,
which is skinnier yet, extends from the throat plate (which is
smaller than most machines) on the front of the machine to the 
front edge of the base.  I haven't been able to pry that one open
yet, although there is a fingernail-hold, like there is on 
the other plate(s), so it appears to be functional in some way.
Does anyone knwo anything about this plate?

Well, enough questions.  To tell you the truth, as much as I'd like
to get this machine fixed up and running, it doesn't really matter --
it can earn its keep just sitting there and looking beautiful!

(One kind of funny thing:  my daughter (who will be three next week)
didn't see the machine when I brought it to the car, so it was a
surprise to her when we got home from dinner, and I went back to check
on it.  She came and sat on my lap, narrowed her eyes, and said, "One,
two.  There are one, two, black sewing machines."  She sounded so
accusatory I had to laugh!  But I imagine, from the amount of interest
she has shown both in sewing and in these two black machines, that
she will need her own featherweight before too long!)

TIA for your help!  (And anyone that owns one of these pretty babies,
please e-mail me!)

Terri
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 01:52:15 -0400
Subject: question

I have a '50 FW and would like a manual.  I called Stan's contact in N. Cal
and she was under the impression that "all manuals were the same except for
the '54-55 version that was blue &white (the others are green).  Can anyone
let me know how to identify the '50 manual, supply me with one (at cost).
 Also, how do you know whether an AL model  FW is a '54 or '55.  By calling
Singer (1-800)?

To Stan:  Thank you for the analysis of the FW machine and the clear coat. My
question is, can we reapply a clearcoat and protect our machines from losing
their gold print and black lacquer paint?  Too difficult with all the chrome
hardware attached?  Thank you.

Mari. where I am gaining an education in old sewing machines from
"you all" and where my mother thinks I am nuts--she is an "out with the old
and in with the new" (simple, clean) philosophy.  My great-grandmother on one
side was Mennonite and made everyone in the family quilts.  And my
grandmother on the other side was quite a sewer--clothes, quilts, etc.  I
have it in my blood.

On my rambling through an antique store I came across a device that "threads"
elastic through a pair of pants (there is a word for it which escapes me).
 It was marked "Singer" 1915 Panama Exposition souvenir.  And I bought it for
$12 with leather case.  As I was leaving, I came across another one in
another person's booth.  No leather case.  If anyone is interested at $6
including postage.  Very simple, looks like a finger nail file without ridges
and with two holes in the fat side of the blade for feeding through the
elastic.  E-mail me.  Thanks.  -Mari
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Date:         Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:04:38 CDT
Subject:      Touch and Sew

I don't mean to offend anyBODY, but I still say MY Golden Touch and Sew
is a dog -- and I've known several other owners of the same model who
share my sentiments.  I've had mine for over 20 years, and I've cursed
it for about 15.  I have a brand new Pfaff 7570 and I'm in heaven!
  While I think Singer used to make good machines, I wouldn't touch any
of them made after the mid '70's.  Of course, my sweet little FW is
wonderful -- but then, it was made in another (and better, in my opinion)
time.
  I'm keeping my old dog for a spare in case I'm ever VERY hard up for a
sewing machine, but I certainly don't recommend it to anyone.  And I still
say I don't think it'll ever be a collectible.  One man's junk, however,
is another man's . . . . .    Each to his or her own!
                                             Becky
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 06:51:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: More Singers

I hate to bore everyone with my constant tales of new acquisitions, but I
got such a good buy yesterday (I think) that I had to share it. At a church
rummage sale, I found a 201, no case, attachments, not even its cords, but
it was only $2 so I'm thrilled, especially since this machine is fast moving
up my list of Singer favorites (right after fws and 301s). I haven't worked
on it yet, so don't know if it will run, but knowing Singers it probably
will. Oh, it's also a Centennial version with the blue rimmed plate - the
first of these I've seen. Anyways, my words of wisdom for the day is to buy
any old machines you see for this price - have you checked out the prices on
replacement parts lately? I saw a plastic spool pin at the Singer dealers
for $1.90 - that's what my whole MACHINE cost! I also bought a 329 in a
cabinet at an auction last night - not such a good deal, but it did have its
manual and attachments, so I'm happy. More auctions and yard sales today! Sue 
M.
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 10:39:15 -0600
Subject: Long bobbin case &bobbin

Someone was looking for a  long bobbin case &bobbin and I found one in a
bag of parts that I bought recently for the FW.  It is marked Simanico CAN
and I think the numbers are 545 14.  I would be happy to trade for something
of equal value if anyone needs this part.

I am looking for FW parts, including buttonholer/zigzagger that works or an
extra bobbin case.

I am also looking for a power cord for what I think is a 66-13 (really
pretty black knee machine in a wooding portable case, no reverse).  The cord
is different in that there are two separated nipples which fit over the
power spindles on the machine.  I have the original cloth-covered cord
somewhere in a box along with all the other attachments, manual, etc. and a
bottonholer purchased later as an add on.)

Kathy
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 11:21:04 -0600
Subject: Long bobbin case &bobbin


>
>I am also looking for a power cord for what I think is a 66-13 

Correction to previous message -- This should be 99-13 (Y serial #), I
think, because it is smaller than another AA portable that I have of the
same vintage.

Both machines are about 1925 according to the lists, but the AA came from a
relative in the Seattle area and I think that the moisture/salt air or
whatever has dulled all the metal finishes, and even the paint.  However,
the Y (99-13?) looks shiny and almost new even though I learned to sew on it
and it was my only machine for 20 years until my children were born.  I
think the good condition has a lot has to do with the dry, mountain air in
Calgary.  The FW's that I have acquired recently are in the same shiny
condition. 

Kathy
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:03:07 -0600
Subject: another find!

I have to stop this shopping for sewing machines habit I've developed!  I
went off to an antique shop this morning, one I hadn't visited yet, and the
first thing I saw when I got inside was a Singer marked $30.  I went over
to get a closer look.  Knee lever.  Bentwood case.  Very nice condition....
maybe a 6 or 7.  Chrome wheel with spokes.  Hmmmmm I thought.  Looks like
it might be another 128.  I asked the owner "Does it run?" and she said she
didn't know, so we plugged it in.  Zoom!  It runs perfectly!  I said "I'll
take it!"  There was a key, too, for the bentwood case.

When I got it home, I set it up for a closer inspection.... and found
almost everything was there.  The bobbin case, 7 attachments, 4 bobbins,
and a box for the attachments. It is pretty definitely the original Singer
box, but it's been recovered with duct tape.  Ugh.  :)

In the bottom of the case, under the machine, I found the original manual.
A little stained, but otherwise in good shape. The most recent copyright
date is 1936, and my machine has a lovely ivy-leaf scrolled face plate, AND
the serial number starts with whatever "belongs" to 1936.... so my guess
that I do indeed have a 1936 model 128-13.  Whee!  :)

The cord could stand to be re-wired, and the gold is definitely worn but
still attractive. I'm going to thread the shuttle, insert is, stick a spool
of threat on the top, and see what happens. Hope I don't blow the place up!

Lisa, who may have to rent a larger apt. just to house her Singers
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:09:02 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/26/96

Hi, Here I am again looking for a helping hand.Bought a Treadle today that
had been converted and then put in a nice cherrywood cabinet.Very clean,
nothing like my orphans, nicely kept. Have to wait till Monday to call
Singer but her num. is G3452043, anyone want to guess what she is? Very
ornate decals and still running untill seller pulled on cord and she
started shorting out . New cord in order but it was a pleasure to clean her
up, nooooooooo GUNK this time. She cost me 20.00.  
   Has anyone ever tried converting these electrics back to treadles? I'd
love to try that since its in such good shape, but will tha new cabinet
work with that idea? Probably not, have to find a base I guess.Still the
cabinet was in great shape so maybe I'll just have it all rewired.This
machine seems very feminine to me, some of the other treadles I've seen
very large her base only measures 14in. long. 
            Called Singer Friday and they happily gave me 3 B-days. Offered
manuals also, didn't think this was the norm, but I guess it all depends on
the rep. you talk to.Mine was really nice. 
                     Maggie 
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:58:14 -0400
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/27/96

I found a neat antique/junk store awhile ago.  They had 8-10 treadle
machines.  They were all Singers and they all looked in about the same
condition inside and out.  However they were marked from $70 to over $400,
what is the big difference.  I am new at this.  I would like to buy one, but
don't know what to look for.  Any help would be appreciated.   Thanks!!
Marci
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 21:25:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: etceteras

For Elizabeth:  In addition to the Little Foot that's humming away on my
FW, I also have one for the Necchi and I have been very pleased with the
results of both.  In fact, I wasn't aware that anyone else even made a
1/4" foot for quilters.  If I ever inherit my MILs Viking, I may try the
ankle thing.

For Mari:  About a month ago I bought two replacement keys for
my FW case from someone whose name (I am THOROUGHLY EMBARASSED to admit) I
can't remember.  He advised me before I bought that it was his experience
that the same key fits 95% of all FW cases, and in fact his replacement
keys work just fine in my case locks. I have also stupidly forgotten to
enter his name in my source list.

For Maggie A: I think any treadle for $50.00 is a good deal,
provided the mechanics of the machine are in working order.  By this I
mean that when you turn the balance wheel, everything moves like it's
supposed to.  Sluggish is ok; rusted solid is not unless you're up for a
real challenge.

For Jim Wi: Since Maggie is also interested in finish problems, could
you forward what I sent to you on to her??  If there's a way for me to
keep copies of my sent mail on this system, I don't know it.

Lydia
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 96 21:22:34 -0500
Subject: State of the Lists

Hi Everyone, 

Just want to take a minute to say a few words about the mailing lists I run.  
Very often, I get e-mail from people on one of the lists who didn't realize 
that I also ran one of the others.  And, I also thought you might be interested 
in how many people are currently subscribed to the list you are on.  (I just 
finished counting).  : )   

Okay, here goes..


Kaffee-Klatsch     kaffee-klatsch@quilt.com   No web page yet.

Current membership - 417

This list is devoted to quilting chat and stays pretty much on the topic of 
quilting.  It is available in digest format only.


Featherweight Fanatics  FWFanatics@ttsw.com     http://quilt.com/FWF

Current membership - 605

This list is devoted to chatting about Singer Featherweights and other older 
sewing machines (&I never realized how many there were!!).  Buying and 
selling, WITHIN REASON, is allowed.  Again, this list is available only in 
digest format.


Bernina Fan Club        Bernina@ttsw.com      http://quilt.com/BFC

Current membership - 1125 !!!  (Yes, I couldn't belive it either)

374 - individual messages
751 - digest

This list is for owners (and those who are thinking about owning) Bernina 
sewing machines though alot of other topics related to sewing, serging, and 
embroidery are covered.  This is the only list that I run both individual 
messages and digest. 


I really want to thank all the members of my lists cause a list is only as good 
as its subscribers &I think that all 3 of the lists are great!!

Anyway, if you want any more information about any of the lists, please e-mail 
me, but please, it may take me a few days to get back to you.


I also want to say that I haven't forgotten about online chatting.  To do so, 
you will need either telnet ability, or palace.  More info available on 

http://www.thepalace.com/  

As soon as I get my basement dried out, I'll be sending out a schedule and more 
info (An aside, got a foot of water in my basement last week, don't think it 
will ever really dry out.  Still have son #1 camping out in the living room 
till his bedroom is safe for inhabitation again)

Again, thanks to everyone, 

Sue T
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 22:07:03, -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics 4/26/96

To Graham:  I am the person who advertised the free-arm for $1300 and 
it sold the very day it was posted.  I've since had several inquiries.
  My friend has one more and not sure if he wants to sell it.  Likes 
it!  And its in even better condition than the first.  I saw one at a 
quilt show for $1,800.  I've been told by a dealer that any free-arm 
for $1,000 and under is a deal and to grab it.  However, I think I'll 
just keep quilting on mine and stay out of the buying/selling!  I 
like collecting but don't like the haggle of selling.  (However, if I 
don't soon slow down, my DH might convince me to begin to like the 
haggling!) Stuart
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:51:24 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 4/26/96

Hi Y'all!

Tim saw one of the tiny little chain stitch singer treadles today, a model 24? 
the one which is about 5x10 
inches on the base.  very rusty, worked fine, chrome rusty, wood damaged, 
veneer busted, and it was for $150. 
 He had to come tell me at work, no less.  He says it had a metal plate 
attached telling stitch length - 
that's what he says.  No more featherweights, though. he's unhappy with me, 
because after spending all day 
cleaning "AJ" (this one's a boy), I bought him a new belt. the new belt from 
Singer is a golden brown, with 
teeth.  Tim Says "oh, no, it's not authentic!".  but it runs much better!  
Motor still squeaks, but I haven't 
tried Nancy J-S's hairdryer trick yet.  

Saw a Singer Touch-n-Sew at work today for sale, just like mom's ..$98.  So $50 
is a good price!  well, maybe. 
 well, over lunch i had to sit and read the manual.  did you know those babies 
had a nifty "bobbin cover" so 
that you could convert them to chain stitch machines?  Recommended for "basting 
the garment, decorative 
embroidery, and fitting tucks on children's clothes".  Fun!

I loved the story about the little FW's bobbin case.  Is your Necchi still 
snickering?

Sorry to hear that red FW were just a pigment of our imagination...

Sherrie
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 96 23:28 EDT
Subject: Eldredge "B" SM card purchase

Hi -
     I have been enjoying learning from this group since January - the posts
really helped during our snowy PA winter.  I have not yet succumbed to
wanted machines other than a FW, but I did become interested in looking for
Singer trade cards.  I attended a big extravaganza on Friday and found only
one trade card - for an Eldredge "B" sewing machine.  The little girl on the
front is cute, but what really was neat is on the back is a list of the "50
Reasons Why you should buy the Eldredge "B" sewing machine."  They are as
follows:

1st. Because it is the best machine ever made.
2d. Because it is handsome in design.
3d. Because it is the most elegantly ornamented.
4th. Because it is the most beautifully japanned.
5th. Because it has the best finished wood-work.
6th. Because it is the most simple in construction.
7th. Because it has the best combination of principles.
8th. Because it is the best made and fitted machine.
9th. Because it is the finest adjusted machine.
10th. Because it has the best material in its "constitution."
11th. Because it has the best means for taking up wear.
12th. Because its wearing parts are all adjustable.
13th. Because its wearing parts are thoroughly hardened.
14th. Because it is more durable than other machines.
15th. Because it will do a wider range of work.
16th. Because the tension is thoroughly automatic.
17th. Because it sews with all kinds of thread satisfactorily.
18th. Because it makes the most perfect stitch of any machine.
19th. Because it requires the least change of tension.
20th. Because it has an adjustable automatic take-up.
21st. Because it has a hardened round needle bar, insuring a
         uniform bearing.
22d. Because the needle bar runs in adjustable bearings.
23d. Because it is self-threading.
24th. Because it has loose pulley for winding the bobbin.
25th. Because you cannot start machine backwards.
26th. Because it has a positive feed, no springs.
27th. Because the feed is the easiest to regulate.
28th. Because it has scale for regulating the length of stitch.
29th. Because it has a feed extending both sides of the needle.
30th. Because it will feed over seams and uneven places.
31st. Because the feed cannot get out of order.
32d. Because the feed is the most durable one in use.
33d. Because the feed always starts from the needle.
34th. Because it has the most simple shuttle.
35th. Because the shuttle is self-threading.
36th. Because it will sew light goods without gathering the cloth.
37th. Because it has no vibration.
38th. Because it has self-setting needle.
39th. Because it is the lightest running.
40th. Because it has the least number of parts.
41st. Because it makes the least noise.
42d. Because it has less friction points.
43d. Because it has the most complete set of attachments.
44th. Because it has the greatest capacity for range of work.
45th. Because it has a larger space under the arm.
46th. Because it excels in hemming and felling.
47th. Because the attachments work better with the double feed.
48th. Because it has the most perfectly constructed stand.
49th. Because balance wheel to stand runs on centre points.
50th. Because It Leads the World.

     Now, if I only knew what all of that means.  But it really was some
advertising, wasn't it?  Wonder how long it took them to come up with all of
those reasons.  I do hope someone else finds this list as intriguing as I
did and I do have one question - there is no date on this card - when was
this machine made from, to?  Thanks for any information.  I can't believe
all the new avenues this list has opened up and thanks everyone for sharing
their knowledge.

Barb
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