Featherweight Fanatics Archives

March 1996

Sunday, March 3rd - Saturday, March 9th


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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:52:10 -0500
Subject: FW

Sorry I am slow at getting back to you.  I am interested in getting more info
about your 1934 model.  That is the year I was born so it has a special
interest to me.

I'd like to hear from you giving me some details - what's the quality of the
case, does it have any attachments, is there a manual, etc.

Westlake Village is not next door to Placentia, so i'd like a little more
info about the machine.  

Possible we could work out a time next week to get together.

Robin
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Date:          Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:46:06 EST4EDT
Subject:       222K at last

I have finally collected my Featherweight Convertible which was 
having it's motor rewired.  Thanks for the reassuring messages on 
this procedure.  I had been looking for a 221 for over a year and a 
ring around sewing machine stores in the yellow pages finally 
tracked down this one.  Unfortunately the motor was burned out and 
the dealer was having it fixed.  Every week I would ring and each 
time it would be ready "next week".  Eventually I gave him an ultimatum 
and arrived at his shop late one afternoon.  There was my machine 
sitting proudly in the window and it wasn't the 221K I had been 
expecting but a 222K!  It ran well and looks really good. It came 
with manual, case and attachments and there is a darning hoop is
somewhere in the shop, which I can have when it gets found.  
This was not original equipment, but the embroidery foot and lever
to lower the feed dogs are, so I look forward to free motion quilting.

The machine is an EJ which makes it 1953 it looks great sitting next 
to my EG (1950) 201K.  An aside here, when I went to my local Singer 
shop to get some oil, I mentioned that I was restoring a 201K, and 
wanted to know what the pivoting clip inside the lid was for.  He 
pulled open one of his many machines, this man is a collector too, and 
showed me the bed extension plate, a piece of wood with a prong on 
one side that fits into the locking bracket to the left of the needle.  He 
then gave it to me as I was trying to get a machine back  into original 
condition.  People who share an interest are so generous.

I have spent a day cleaning and oiling the 222K and found, not one 
thread caught behind the bobbin case, but a whole wad, all different 
colours.  Thanks to this list I felt confident pulling everything 
apart.  Because the machine had come from Queensland I paid special 
care to look for mildew and rust, particularly with the attachments.

I hope to put a picture of it up on my web site so those of you who 
have not seen the Convertible, the name Singer sold the freearm 
Featherweight under, can have a look.  I'll post here when 
it's ready.

Great to join the ranks of Fully Fledged Featherweight Fanatic
Jeanette
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:23:41 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: Howe machines

>Subject: HOWE TREADLE
 
> Can anyone help me date a Howe Treadle machine?  It has a rather small 
> head, and on the right side of the machine base is a brass(?) 
 
Hi everyone, yes I'm _still_ here! Haven't been contributing much 
lately, been too busy but mainly because I haven't been garage saleing 
much at all, short of the ready's unfortunately! But I'm still here 
keeping an eye on you all.
Nancy: this probably won't help you date your machine in the slightest 
but it's the bits about Howe that are in the 'History of the Sewing 
Machine' that I copied out of a library book awhile ago. It sounds like 
a very interesting machine to me.
 
1846 - Elias Howe Jr, an American, patented a machine with an 
eye-pointed, curved needle that stitched a loop through which a shuttle 
thread passed, so forming a lock stitch. The feed had to be reset every 
six inches and was awkward to use. Meeting indifference in America, he 
sold the British patent rights to William Thomas in England but returned 
penniless, four years later.
 
1851 - Elias Howe returned from England to find his original ideas had 
been incorporated in the improved machines. This was the start of the 
'sewing machine war'. A court case followed, Hower suing Singer and the 
two other manufacturers. Singer was joined by Edward Clarke, a lawyer, 
and they became equal partners in the Singer Company, which was founded 
in 1851. Elias Howe won his first court battle, but when he himself set 
up as a manufacturer his machines would only work with the improvements 
made by the other companies.
 
1859 - William Jones, an Englishman, owned an engineering firm 
specializing in small steam engines. He decided to manufacture sewing 
machines, developing and improving upon Elias Howe's long shuttle. He 
was always anxious to improve design and production methods. His first 
factory was built at Guide Bridge, Manchester.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 08:56:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Spring is here!

I know Spring has arrived in Columbus because today's paper is full of
auction ads.  Mentioned are 2 treadles, 1 FW, 1 "child's sewing machine",
and numerous "sewing machine"s.  All dates are next Saturday.  I may go to
the one offering the FW just to see what it goes for.  I am done paying
high prices - just bargains from now on.

I can imagine what people will think when I go and the kids auction off my
stuff.  Why did she have 17 sewing machines?  Who would have a whole
roomful of fabric?  

Nancy, I have never heard of a 185K either.  Can you describe it for us? 
Is it belt driven?  Where is the thread tension?  What kind of bobbin? 
Seems strange that it has beautiful gold and a fancy end plate and was
made in 1959.  Are you sure it isn't older than that?

Marilyn
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:24:41 -0500
Subject: New Acquisition

Hello FWFs,

Yesterday I treated myself to a bit of garage saling (spelling??).  At the
very first sale, I struck gold (a gold medallion, that is).  I didn't see her
at first but then she came into focus; not a FW but a lovely old Singer.  I
really am not sure what she is.  She looks a lot like my 99 (at least that's
what Singer said my 99 is when I got her date of birth) so I thought this new
one was one also  Both this new machine and my 99 are AG series.  However, my
99 is in a nice old bentwood case and run by a knee lever.  My 99 has that
matte, rough, black finish and has almost no gold decoration.  She is
extremely plain.  This one (the new one) is very shiny black with lots of
gold work on her.  Her front plate is exactly like my 99 but there is also a
silver metal plate on the back side above the motor where you can get into
her and oil other parts.  She rests on the bottom of a black case.  There was
no top to the case, no attachments, only one bobbin, but there was a manual
underneath her in the well of the case.  Here is where I get confused.  The
manual is for a 66 and many of the pictures are a treadle machine.  But, she
is electric.  The pictures of the head look just like hers.  The cord to the
wall outlet is removable but the cord to the foot petal is attached to the
machine.  She needs new cords but runs very quietly.  I haven't tried her
stitch yet though.  She looks like she has had good care, except she was very
dusty.  Another difference is that she is full sized and my 99 is about 3/4
her size.  I'm wondering if she is a 66 that was taken out of her treadle
"condition" and made an electric.

Oh, I forgot the best part; they had a price tag on her for $25 and even
though they said it runs, I wasn't sure of her overall condition so I offered
them $15 and they seemed happy to get it.  I couldn't help but think that it
could just as easily have been a FW because these very nice people were only
interested in getting rid of it.  Thank goodness, not everyone is a collector
and that some people like to get rid of the clutter in their garages!

Gordy, do you have any idea on this one?  Since we live in the same town, I
may call you sometime with more questions.  One question I have on both of
these machines is that neither has a way to go into the gear portion for
lubrication like you showed us about our FWs in your class.  Is that how they
are made without need of lubrication inside?

They also had some sewing notions in original packages for 10 cents each
which I snapped up.  Also, a wonderful little chest of drawers.  It only
stands about 15 inches tall, is about 9 inches deep and about 12 inches wide.
 It has four drawers and will be perfect for storing sewing supplies.  They
wanted $1.50 for it!!!  Needles to say, it now belongs to me.

I will call Singer this coming week to see what this new machine really is.

Thanks for listening,

Evie
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:26:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fanatic!

All right, I'm now an official fanatic - at an auction last night, I bought
my third featherweight for $225. But I have no excuse for its purchase and I
need help - owning yet another cute machine doesn't cut it with my dh, so
I'm in need of explanations. I tried these: it came with its own oval oil
can, it had its own lubricant in the box, it had its own keys in their
envelope, it was a very early model (AB serial #, but turns out I was wrong,
it's another AF - these auction halls are so DARK!). Any of these
explanations seemed enough to me, but he just doesn't understand! How do you
multiple owners justify having more than one? My second was acceptable,
since #1 is post WWII and #2 is pre and he could see the differences, but
this one is just like #2! There sure seem to be a lot of them out there - I
think this is the 5th I've seen or heard of in a couple of months at
auctions. So since they'll probably keep appearing, I need reasons to keep
buying. Any help would be greatly appreciated.I do love my fws! Sue M.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:26:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Household Sewing Machine

Here is a part of the Kovels' column in today's paper.

Question:  I recently purchased a five drawer treadle sewing machine made
by Household S.M. Co.  It's in great condition and still works.  Do you
know its age or value?

Answer:  The Household Sewing Machine Co. made the machine from about 1885
to 1906.  Before that, the machines were made by the Providence Tool Co.
in Rhode Island.  Sewing machines from that era sell for $100 to $300
depending on the condition, the iron legs, and the trim.

Thought this might be useful to somebody.

Marilyn
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:44:46 -0500
Subject: Correction

In my message, I said that my new machine had the same front plate as my
99--wrong!!  They are both silver and quite ornate but not the same.  The
99's is flat and this new machine's is sort of curved on each side as to mold
around the front of the machine a bit.
Evie
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Subject: Singer Stuff
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:33:13 -0600

Hello All!
My Mom and Dad  on their recent featherweight safari, picked up a "Singer" trash 
can,and a "tiny" little "Singer" TV!  The TV was so cute, but the trash can was 
a reproduction  (but still cute!)

Since I'm sewing with the featherweight, its hard sometimes to figure out how to 
sew, dueto a lot of the patterns act like you have a serger.  Does anyone else 
have problems withthis?  I'm wondering what the major difference in patterns 
were when the featherweights, were made early on and these days.   Ah well.    

Need accessories?  Featherweights? or Featherweight Advise, Call my Mom and Dad 
                          Gail

(http://www.icsi.net/~pickens for lots of featherweight information and links!)
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Date: 03 Mar 96 15:46:34 EST
Subject: Contribution

To all
Now I have a question. Does anyone out there know anyone with the sirname of
Egge?
Yes. this is to do with collectable sewing machines for there was a Smith and
Egge company which originally made locks but then went into the manufacture of
miniature sewing machines in the 1900 period.
Now, I have a running, but very friendly battle going on with Ammerican ISMACS
members on how Egge should be pronounced.
My contention is that, in fact, it is pronounced Egg with the final e  silent,
as in Howe but the Amnerican members have all ganged up on me and pronounce it
to rhyme with zowie. At our auctions I am actually	 howled down when I
pronounce it the "correct" way
This, I am sure all you right-thinking Fanatics will agree is patently wrong  so
please, if you know an Egge, come to my aid with a little evidence.
Perhaps, if you have the time and a local 'phone book. you might try to get an
opinion from the Egge's mouth, as it were.
I need the help, I'm being outvoted by 140 to 1 at the moment.

And another question. I keep reading about the "rare" free-arm FWs in the
postings. Are we talking here about the 222K convertible free-arm/flatbed
machine or was there a dedicated free-arm machine.
If it's the 222K convertable then be assured that this is the commonest FW found
in Europe. Last week a Fanatic on vacation here picked up four in one small town
just outside London. She went looking for any FWs but could only find t he
free-arm convertables. To redress the balance, white/mint green machines are
rare here. Checked my fact with a dealer this morning. He actually had three
222Ks in stock but had never even seen a non-black variety.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:37:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/2/96

Question to Graham or others in the know:  Is the book mentioned in 
Saturday's post "Antique American Sewing Machines - A Value Guide"  By 
James W. Slater, a good resource to have?  I have been looking for some 
good quality references and would willingly pay $19.95, but want to know 
what I'm getting. 
To Joy in Indiana:  I had to smile when you said you were looking for a 
301.  I can't help but wonder if those of us who love them aren't our own 
worst enemies in singing their praises - will they, too, become as 
elusive and expensive as FW's?  When all is said and done, though, I'm 
truly glad when someone finds and appreciates a 301 and it goes to a 
"good home."  I really want a two tone tan and beige 301 - if anyone has 
one for sale please e-mail me. 
Kolleen 
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Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 18:57:45 -0800
Subject: finds again...

Another one I forgot to mention:

A hand crank machine, New National, I think it said. Handle turned freely, 
but the machine was quite dusty. Asking $110. If anyone wants me to go back 
and take a second look, I will.

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Lisa R
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Date: Sat, 02 Mar 1996 15:33:26 EST
Subject: Singer Banks

Does anyone know a lot about Singer banks.  I thought they only came
covered in red leather but today I saw a blue one.  The antique store
wanted $75.00 so I passed but think I will go back even though I think that
is high.  Are there also green ones?
                           Thanks,
                           Al
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Date: 03 Mar 96 19:02:52 EST
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/2/96

Finally received my FW  after traveling 10 days in the mail!  The cord  only
needs to be replaced.  The bake-lite part is ok.  Is there someone out there
that can tell me the process?  I'd rather not buy  a whole new power  plug but
use the bake-lite part that plugs into the machine.  Please respond soon so I
can get this baby humming!

Thanks...Carol
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:47:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Don't fight it
Joyce:

Accept the fact that you are hooked, and go back and buy the 128.  It will
give you experience in dealing with an older machine, and besides, now you
will have a "real" reason to prowl all those antique shops -- you need to
complete your attachment set.  The $50 sounds very reasonable to me, as
long as it actually sews.

Went to a local antique show this afternoon.  Nothing in the way of
machines or attachments, but I did get myself an authentic Army and Navy
Needle Book just for fun.  DH was pleased to learn that I passed on the
$675 cameo and the $700 onyx necklace.

Graham: I thought your little "faux pas" exchange was very funny.  But who is
to say that if you did have a sister, she wouldn't have a Spartan?  The
antique appreciator/collector blood clearly runs in the family!  And if
she were your younger sister, she could easily choose to collect later
vintage machines.  (Any minute now I'll be giving her a name --
undoubtedly something quintessentially British like "Penelope" or
"Alexandra" :>)!)   PLEASE take this in the light vein in which it is
intended!  Your postings are invaluable!  By the way, has it EVER stopped
raining in London?  

I'm still hunting for a treadle.  A relatively local woman has two at $75
each, but I haven't seen them yet.  And next weekend I'll be driving back
up to Delaware to look at the one a dealer has promised to "drag out" (of
his barn??) for me.  Wish me luck -- I'm hoping it's a Singer.

By the way, according to my friend from work who stayed for the auction,
the Gold Star treadle sold for either $5 or $10.  I hope it gets a good
home -- it was just too much of a cleanup for me.

Lydia
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:06:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/2/96

To Joy regarding the 128S I'm the English named Joyce R. but the real 
Zsuxxa I payed $200 for my 128s long shuttle that was in mint 
condition except for the case, grape scrollwork and done in the art deco 
with gold red and green. This machine was originally a handcrank that 
was converted to electric as many were, and I would call the Singer 
number with the AA probably serial number for further information. I 
don't buy machine for my personal condition that aren't mint, and I have 
found that the gold work and decals, and in addtion the black doesn't 
clean up as well as I'd like the scroll plates though are easy to clean. 
If this is for a collection and it has been converted to electric which 
the Singer # will be able to tell you it is worth less than if it was 
left in it's handcrank stage. Any change to the machine lessons the 
value of the antique.

Graham-As one well knowlegeded in sewing machines who do you think 
invented the sewing machine and was it first a chain stitch or did it 
have a bobbin for a strait stitch?

   Finally, it was my pleasure to meet one of the Fanatics this week at 
San Juan Capistrano for Featherweight biz. Darlene and I had a lovely 
time and probably could of stayed all day and talked about featherweights 
and quilting. Zsuxxa
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Date: Sat, 02 Mar 1996 20:38:27 EST
Subject: FW Fanatics 3/2/96

To:  Kolleen
Gwen's machine looks like a 99 to me!
Corinne
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 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:50:01 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/2/96

Hi, everyone! I've been reading FWF for the past few days and wish I had
found you and subscribed whenever you started - any way to get back issues so
I can catch up? I am the proud owner of a FW and a 301, along with one(
01401132 is the number on the base or bed),which was my late mother-in-law's.
It is a Singer treadle, in a case with the iron  treadle base, and the face
plate has that pretty elaborate scroll on it. Unfortunately a lot of the gold
writing and decoration form the machine itself has worn off and the poor wood
has seen better days. My husband began replacing some of the veneer, but has
since abandoned the project in favor of more pressing jobs. The throat plate,
fron, is missing, and I'm not really sure where the bobbin and case are
supposed to go. His dad had wired the thing up at one time, but apparently
took that off in favor of running it as a treadle. I need to know just what
we have here, how to clean it up and find missing parts for it, so I might
use it, if it will run !
I'm also looking for the zig-zag attachments for the 301, if any of you
happen to have spares. If not, can someone give me a ballpark figure of what
I should expect to pay?
Oh, after a trip to a little town about 45 minutes from here where I had seen
a quilt shop, I walked across the street to an antique shop. There was a
little machine, looked like  a toy, marked Kay and Bee, made in Berlin. It
was grey, no needle, and no bobbin case that I could see, or a place for one,
with a price tag of $55 on it. Does anyone know what I was looking at, and
was it really worth $55 ???? I'm not in the market for miniatures or toys,
but if this was a good buy and someone wants it, I'd be more than happy to go
back for it. After all, I just asked about a million questions and need
advice, so I'm willing to reciprocate.
It sounds like I need some of these books you all keep talking about so I
will know what to look for, what good prices are, etc. I haunt antique shops
and flea markets, and would love to "hunt" for you - for the thrill of the
search! That's how I got my FW - my quilting teacher got tired of my cursing
under my breath at my Kenmore and suggested that I find a FW for my straight
seam piecing. Everyone else in the class wanted one, too, and on a vacation
shortly afterward, I dragged my husband and Mom through every shop between
Little Rock, AR and Gatlinburg, TN, and came home with 4 FW - ranging in
price from $150-$300. Found two more after I got back home for the gals.
Naturally I kept the prettiest one, and sold the rest for what I paid plus
the servicing fee ( I had every one of them done to make sure they would sew
properly for their new owners).
It was a labor of love, and I am still hunting, because I know there are
other quilters who want them, and I don't make a profit, just love those
smiles !!
Didn't mean to write a tome, just wanted to "drop in" - "Nuf "Sed.
Becky
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Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 18:04:17 -0800
Subject: Finds...

Hi all!

I acquired a couple of nice things recently, and have a couple others folks 
might be interested in.

Finds: a featherweight table! $38, even. The top could use a refinish, but I 
was happy to find one. Especially when I wasn't looking.

2nd find - a gorgeous 99, in the bentwood case. Serial # is an EF; can I go 
by the FW dating and presume this is a 1949 from Scotland? I think it is, 
because it has Great Britian across the top under the Singer name. It's an 8, 
possibly a 9, from Graham's rating list. It came with manual, some 
attachments, a package of needles, and some bobbins, for $75. Too much? Too 
little? 

Finds that I didn't get: a treadle head, $15. About an inch of dust on it, 
looked like it said Damascus on it? It didn't even budge when I tried to move 
it, and I didn't want to spend money to find out it never would.

Another 99, this one serial #EN. Very nice condition. No manual, zipper foot, 
in the newer case. $100. Looked to be around a 7 on the rating. If anyone is 
interested, I'll go back and take a closer look.

A find for the toy collectors: a tan Sewhandy electric toy machine. It was 
$30; they said it works. If anyone is interested in that one, I'll take 
another look.

I took a look at another Singer, at the request of the booth owner. She is 
one of two ladies who has a shop here in town. She told me if I got over to 
the shop where they had a booth to take a look at this great deal she had in 
a machine. I -think- it was a 99, or similar; at least it was that size. This 
poor thing was in horrible shape. Most of the decals were worn, as was the 
black. I felt so sorry for it, but I didn't feel I could bring it home with 
one 99 already in the back seat. She was asking $45. Either I got a really 
good deal on the one I did buy, or she's out of line. 

How would you all handle this? I see this woman rather frequently, and I'm 
not sure how to handle this. I thought about printing off a copy of Graham's 
rating guide for her, but I don't have any idea how to tie pricing into that.

On that note, would anyone be interested in doing a similar type of database 
for other machines, like Kris's FW database?

Sorry to ramble on!
-- 
Lisa R
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Date:  4 Mar 1996   8:10 EST
Subject: Brunswick Sewing Machine

I have a featherweight and enjoy the discussion of all the
machines on this list.

I also have a treadle machine made by Brunswick.  It's in a 
beautiful, hand-carved oak cabinet.  I wrote to Brunswick, sending
them a picture of the machine.  They responded promptly that
they believe the machine was made in the late 1800's when their
company was exploring other products for their woodcarvers to 
manufacture and that very few of the sewing machines were made.  
They have no records of the sewing machines but did send me a 
hard-cover book about their company's history and their main
products in that time period were hand carved billard tables.

The machine came with a complete set of Greist attachments and
instruction book on using the attachments.  I use the machine and
it has a nice stitch considering the simplicity.  The tension mechanism
consists of a bar located on top the head with an extension for 
loosening the tension to pull and cut the thread.  The thread passes
between two metal plates and the tension is increased by tightening
the two plates together with a screw.   The bobbin is a
shuttle type and came with four bobbins which store in holes in a wooden
swing-out compartment under the cabinet top.  The needle threads from
the left instead of the right.  The throat plate does not have width
markings, but the foot's right side is exactly 1/4" which makes it
good for quilting.

I enjoy this machine and wanted to share with all of you.

Ellen I
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:26:04 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/3/96

 To: suzy  Subject: Fanatic!
Justification... well now.  There are a lot of guys out there that collect
cars.  How many cars does one man need??  They have to build garages just to
hold them!!  All your doing is INVESTING in a few small ANTIQUE machines that
take up some floor and shelf space.  Maybe a spare room  : )   
Hope that helps.
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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 09:18:07 -0600
Subject:  FW Fanatics 3/3/96 -Reply

Date: 03 Mar 96 15:46:34 EST
Now I have a question. Does anyone out there know anyone with the
sirname of Egge?

The Egge family that I know pronounce it "Eggy"- two syllables rhymes
with "leggy".

Caryl
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Date: 04 Mar 96 11:43:44 EST
Subject: Contribution

To Kolleen

When I saw a reference to Slaten's American Sewing Machines: A Value Guide" in
yesterday's contributions, I was tempted to post a reply but held my tongue, as
it were.

Now I have an excuse, with your asking whether the book is a useful resource.
The short answer is no.
Rather than my fill the next 100 K with its inaccuracies and meaningless prices
let me simply give you a quote:
When new members join the International Sewing Machine Collectors' Society, they
get, as part of a starter kit, a list of all available books about the subject
with some comments about each.
Of Slaten's book they say"

Antique American Sewing Machines: A value guide
A sad, "what's-it-worth?" publication with seemingly no research and
highly-questionable data. Not recommended at any price.

Just for the record, Jim Slaten of the Singer Dealer Museum, is a remarkably
nice guy who I have friendly arguements with when we meet. He has a good
collection of ephemera but, sadly, the book has no merit whatsoever and, of
course, there is no museum.

To Al

Singer banks came in red, blue and green. I've heard of a pink one but suspect
that it is faded red. These are sought after by bank collectors and thus prices
are high but even so I think $75 is too heavy.

To Joyce

 Re my faux pas: I felt terrible about this for it really did upset Marilyn who
I do hope has accepted my genuine appology.

Have had a serious chat with my dear old mother who assures me that I do not
have a hidden sister and cannot come to terms with the " if I had had a sister
what would you have called her?" question.
Strangly, of your two suggested names for the sister I don't think I have,
Penelope was a model name used by the  19th century Newton Wilson company of
Birmingham for a figural  sewing machine with a frame  consisting of a coiled
serpent. There was an Alexandra machine produced in the 1860s by the Alexander
(correct spelling) Machine Company in Scotland. Examples of each now live in the
MS collection.
If you got those two right, I beginning to wonder if my mother isn't keeping
something from me.
For no resason at all, I think that this sister of mine when she surfaces (note
the progression here) will be into hippy-era jewellery.
As to whether it ever stops raining in London: It is more important than ever to
our tourist trade to promote our capital (especially with Charles and Di doing
their best to destroy confidence in our monarchy). Therefore, I'm clad to report
that at the moment it is not raining -- a slight drizzle, perhaps, but not
really raining.

To Joyce

Telling you who I think invented the sewing machine is easy. One Thomas Saint in
1790 . An Englishman, of course. Had you asked a Frenchman, German, Austran,
Russian or American you would get different answers.
The point over Saint was that his invention was one of many he filed at the same
time and it was stored in the patent office under another heading. It did not
come to light until well after all the patent legislation was won and lost.
The American, Howe is the name you will find in most references books but simply
because he spent a considerable part of his fortune commissioning bogus
biographies perpetuating the myth of his inventive" genius".  One of these bios
claims in one chapter that he was crippled from birth and tells in another how
he led his Union troups on foot into Civil War battles! Suspicious, huh?. There
are also claims that Howe stole his whole idea from another American in the
south.

To Becky

Is this toy really K and B or KAYanEE? I suspect the later as these machines
would be marked Berlin.
This would be a post-war manufacturer who also produced a range of toys under
the Sew Master title. American importer was the KAYanEE Corp of America which
had its offices in NYC and started business shortly after the war when Germany
was still divided into occupied zones.
Sears sold the range in the miod 60s. The basic model, which sounds like the one
you saw had a sheet steel base and sold for $3.99. Next step up was the same
machine on a wooden base with drawer. This was $6.99. Top of the range was
battery-opperated model at $8.99. 
It would have no shuttle being a chain-stitch machine with a hook under the
stitch plate.Only tension adjustment was by tightening down the nut on top of
the bobbin spindle. To an avid toy collector, $55 would not be out of line.
I did that Little Rock to Gatlingberg antique run last year. We were listening
to the OJ trial on its last day and Maggie and I took turns at going into the
shops and malls so that one could stay on radio alert in the car for the
verdict. Bought a few toys but passed on an 1860 Grover and Baker -- too
expensive to buy and then ship to the UK.

Best wishes to all
Graham F
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:33:01 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/3/96

I have a question....which part of the FW is bakelite?  Saw someone mention
this in a posting.  Thanks!
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:10:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Information RE:Larry

   Hi Folks,                                                                          
I can't tell you how lpeased I am to have found this groupI am new to a computer 
and certinaly new to E-mail.Thank you to each and every one who has comtributed 
to my knowledge and inlighten my collecting awareness.                    On 
March 2 or 3 some one wrote in about a book that sounded as if it may be new to 
the market.The digest I had it on was erased somehow.Anybody know what I'm 
talking about if so would you be so kind as to forward the name to me.                                                        
Greatfully,                                                                           
Larry
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:30:15 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/3/96

Hello, again !
  I just talked with Singer customer service and found out my treadle is a #2
Vibrating Shuttle, made March 31, 1891 !! They are sending me a manual, which
is great, but without the missing parts, it's just going to be a pretty
conversation piece. The local dealer doesn't have any parts, nor does he know
of anyone who deals in antique sewing items - where's my Mr. Wonderful? Oh,
well, at least I now know what I have and how old she is, which is more than
I knew yesterday. 'Nuf Sed.
Becky
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:31:13 -0500
Subject: Want to buy....

I am looking for an "excellent condition" featherweight in the vicinity of
the Washington D.C. area.  If anyone can help me please let me know
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Date:        Mon, 04 Mar 1996 14:49:45 CST
Subject: FW and Table for sale

Hi all.  I have a featherweight sewing machine and table for sale.  Both
are in very good condition.  The table looks like it has received very
little use.  The legs and the hardware that hold the machine in place
are in excellent condition.  Most of the black finish on the sides of
the top is intact.  The top itself is in very nice condition.  There is
a scratch or two but not much wear.  It does not need to be refinished
and is very sturdy.

 The machine has an AG serial number.  The black finish is generally
    good.  The gold paint has a spot where there is a bit of wear;
otherwise it looks intact.  It come swith a case in good condition, a
key to the case, several attachments, and a manual with a 1947 date.

   I'm offering them together for $500, shipping and insurance to the 48
contiguous states included.  Or the machine can be had for $340,
including shipping and the table for $200, including shipping.

Michele 
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:34:09 -0500
Subject: Toy Machines Spotted

Hi All,

I saw two toy sewing machines this  weekend at a mall  in a nearby town. If
anyone is interested, e-mail me and I will go over and pick them up  for you.
I don't know a lot about toys but I will describe them as accurately as
possible. 

The first is a blue Casige machine.  The tag said Made in Germany. The sewing
mechanism is all enclosed. It looked to be in pretty good shape although I
did not try it out. Very cute. Price $95

The second is a tan Singer model 20 (same color tan as my 301), the date in
the book was 1950something. It was in beautiful shape ( I would say an 8 on
Graham's scale). I worked the handwheel and it was very smooth. Appears to
have been well cared for. This one had the original manual, box, and clamp.
The manual is in pretty good shape except it looks as though someone tried
out the machine on the back cover, it has a few lines of perforation.  The
box has seen better days, the corners are taped and it has some stains.
Price:  $125.  

Shipping and 6% MI sales tax would have to  be added. If anyone is
interested, let me know. I probably won't get back up there for a few days
but I could put it on hold until then. Katy
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:06:56 -0500
Subject: Singer Oil Can?/Duchess Treadle

My AE FW  came with a small round silver oil can -- 2-1/8" high, marked "MADE
IN U.S.A.  PAT.D OCT.19 1897"  Is this a Singer oil can?  It sure is cute,
whatever it is.

I'd also like to obtain instructions for the Singer buttonholer that came
with this machine and I need a source for a belt.  Please e-mail me if you
have a source for either of these.

My friend wants to sell a Duchess treadle.  Does anyone have any information
on this machine?  

Lydia:  Thanks for the rust removal tip.  I must admit that I, too, wondered
how Graham could be so certain that his (imaginary) sister wouldn't have a
Spartan    Heaven knows, I can't control my real relatives!

Diana 
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:31:23 -0500
Subject: Electrical cords

Hi everyone,
I have a question to ask and I hope it won't sound too dumb but I really need
some help.  I have several old electric Singers and 1 FW with a dubious cord.
 People are constantly replacing electrical cords on their machines and it
sounds so easy but I have to admit that I am clueless as to the procedure.
 Would some kind soul send me step-by-step instructions including where to
buy new cords and how to go about replacing them?  I will be eternally
grateful.  I have tried to sew with some of my babies but only for a moment
to see if they work because I am so worried about condition of  the cords!!
 I love this list and all of the wonderful information and advice that is
passed around.  Thanks a lot,
nancy j
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:33:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Kay and Bee Toy


Becky: There was a red Kay and Bee toy machine at the antique show I went
to last weekend.  Price was also $55.  However -- this one worked, sort
of.  Someone had mis-adjusted what passes for the throat plate on the
machine so that the needle came down and hit to the left of the hole
instead of passing down through the hole.  Or possibly someone had
inserted the needle incorrectly.  The underside appeared to be functional,
but of course with the needle problem you couldn't say for sure.  Not being
a toy collector, I passed.

Lydia 
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:58:12 -0800
Subject: first featherweight

     I can now say I am an official Featherweight Fanatic even
though I have had a treadle for many years.  Saturday DH and I
went to an antique show and found eleven of the little beauties. 
He finally spotted his first one before I did.  I have to say he
may not see them as fast as I do but when he does, it's a winner. 
Unused looking case, machine in superb condition with all the
feet but no buttonhole attachment.  Even the keys were there as
well as all the original needles with one of them in the machine. 
This one has been used very little.  It was mainly dusty and dry. 
After oiling it, it absolutely purrs.  I have made one quilt
block with it and love the way it handles. It sits on an end
table in the living room when I'm not using it.  It is just so
cute.  Even DH gets a grin on his face every time he sees it. 
Now what is the best product to use to clean the case?  It too is
dusty and, of course, the dust tends to cling in depressions. 
What should I use to clean the head?  Again it's only dusty, no
build up of anything.  Now I need to leave the computer and get
busy piecing.
 
Kathy
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Date: 04 Mar 96 19:43:37 EST
Subject: Contributions

To all
When I post here in an attempt to answer questions I try to keep things as brief
as possible as I'm aware I take up more than my share of bandwidth.  I think
it's a good idea to make an initial point on Fanatics  and  for me to do the
same when I can  give a response. But always feel free to e-mail me afterwards
if you need more detail. My area of expertise is in early machines and
manufacturers, plus a little knowledge of toys to 1960 and I maintain the ISMACS
archive material  including handbooks etc from the 1850s to around 1920 all
available for copy.
ISMACS has picked up quite a few new members from my involvement with Fanatics
and I feel it only fair to share our knowledge with such a fine group of
enthusiasts.

Graham F
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:53:28 -0900 (AKST)
Subject: dreams--just thought I'd share!

When I woke up this morning I had to laugh when I remembered my
last dream.  I was placing a personal ad...it went something like this:
 38 yo SWF seeks strong husband capable of lugging treasures home
from sales.  Must like auctions, estate and garage
sales.  Must like either a. Singer Featherweights, b. all sewing machines
or c. ____ (I can't remember c. but it too was sewing machine related)
or all of the above

Pretty bad...whatever happened to  wanting honest, respnsible
and openminded male who likes cats?

Susan
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Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 21:43:24 EST
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/3/96

Hi Fanatics- I am still searching for an original manual for my 222K
free-arm. Please E-mail if you can help me locate one.

Thank you, Joe 
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:18:40 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/3/96


>It was a labor of love, and I am still hunting, because I know there are
>other quilters who want them, and I don't make a profit, just love those
>smiles !!
>Didn't mean to write a tome, just wanted to "drop in" - "Nuf "Sed.
>Becky
>____________________________________

  Becky,
   I too would like to know the names of some available reference books.
Perhaps GRAHM might know some, or how to get into the book I hear is on
file at the Smithstonian??
  We are traveling thru Kentucky and Tenn and I wondered if you might
E-mail me some good spots to find flea markets, 
 along the way as we love a good flea market.
  My husbands father was born in Kentucky, in the famous harlin county.
We hope to spend a few days in the smokies before the season starts.
( a late honemoon, we've been married 25 years!!)  
  You are doing a great service, so many of these machines are discarded
as junk if people don't know how to clean them.  I like to see  an intrest 
in them as it may save a few more from the junk pile. 

I'd be happy to buy an affordable featherweight. 
Do you  seek anything? 
  I also wonder if anyone else has a  "little Betty"  it's a blue 
hand crank, of tin i think, It has a picture of a little girl and 
her sister each playing with one on it's cardboard box.  I suspect it's
not very old, but it's cute.
  Can any one give me a physical description of a 301 (singer) this 
I haven't noticed.  Is it a treadle or electric?  I am familiar with 
the 66 and the 99's .  Is it simalir.  I am intrestrested in what 
body style and color it is.  
  I had a inexpensive singer in the 70's, I tell you, it vibrated so
much I gave it away.  I decided I coulden't sew.  Then I bought an old 
Kenmore from a neighbor and I became a much better seamstress.
  Thanks, 
C H
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:56:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Graham's question on Egge

This is in reply to Graham F  asking anyone how to pronounce the name
Egge he said was associated with some sewing machine. In southern MN the
families with that name pronounce it Egg (then long e sound on the end, not
a silent e). I know this is not the answer he wanted, but that's the way it
is said in this part of America.

Sue
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:08:34 -0500
Subject: Help with treadle!

Hi everyone,
    I'm relatively new to the FWF but I love it already, such a wealth of
information. Maybe someone can help me out. I just purchased a Singer
treadle, I just fell in love with it when I saw itand just had to have it.
Anyway, the machine has gold, red and green ornate decals allover it, the
faceplate has vines or something on it and the serial # is G4789583. It has a
drop in bobbin. The table has 2 drawers on either side as well as a center
drawer. The iron work has Singer in it. Can anyone tell me what model this
is, how much it might be worth or perhaps point me in the right direction
where I can find this info out? Also, it needs a new belt, where can I find
one and is it something I can put on myself? Thanks in advance for your help.
I can be reached at Amishcrazy@aol.com
                                        Thanks,
                                            Vicki
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:11:55 -0500
Subject: Excuses for buying a FW

Suzy:  I do understand your plight, owning 3 FW's myself, plus all the other
machines (about 12 total) plus tons of toys.  I discussed this with my own
DH, having had a similar argument with him about #3 FW.  He says I told him
"shut the  up, I'm buying them anyway."  I personally think I was
more diplomatic. ;)  Anyway, he is so much more understanding these days...
I thought it was because I dragged him round a quilt show and showed him the
price tags.  Good luck on sorting it out!
Margaret
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:48:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Information pleaseRE:Larry

         Good morning folks,

I am seeking information on a sewing maschine bank.It apparently is
German,there 
is a woman sitting at sewing machine she is made of cast iron,when you turn the 
wooden crank she sew on the little machine in front of her.If any one knows of 
this piece and an aproxamate cost I would be obliged.A very dear and close 
friend is looking for one to add to his collection.

Kindest regards,

Larry
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:56:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics

    I would like to qualify myself on particular business ethics. First I 
do not represent one business or one collector, the machines I offer come 
from different collectors, different businesses, my own collection, 
quilter's that want to sell their machines and friends collections.  So 
when I offer the birthdate of the machine that is a fact that I have 
researched, and the dealer, or collector has no idea how to identify the 
machine except by the two prefix letters. If you place an order with a 
particular company that I may represent and I was not actively involved 
in that sale that I cannot take responsiblity for the serial letters and 
numbers matching a particular machine. So in future receipts you can only 
be guaranteed the birthdate you want if my name, birthdate, serial number 
of the machine are on the receipt of sales. Otherwise there will be a big 
mix up of machines and a lot of very unsatisfied customers.

The Following FeatherWeights are for sale:

AG BD 2-18-46  Attachments, Case Manual, good condition, wear on the 
black. $375.

AF BD 4-10-40 Attachments, Case, Manual, good condition, even wear $375.

AJ BD 1-23-50  Attachments, Case Manual, very good condition, even wear. $375

AM BD 6-10-55  Attachments, Case, Manual, very good condition, later 
edition scrollwork $510.

AJ BD 10-26-50 Anniversary Machine, Case, Manual, gold good, a few 
scratches on black. $495.

AM  Later edition scrollwork, Case $475.

AH BD 1-22-48 Case, Copy of Manual, even wear on machine, good runner, $395.


AJ
AL  Case, Copy of Manual Attachments even wear. $450.

3 Buttonholers 2 post war 1 pre...$35. includes shipping.

	Please feel free to call or e me for more details on the machines 
Zsuxxa
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:34:31 -0500
Subject: Singer 301 &Princess Treadle

Hello all....I just wanted to let everyone know that I sent my mother back to
purchase the tan Singer 301 in the cabinet with the chair.  The price was
$35, mom got them to take $30 for it, so with tax it came to $32.10. I can
hardly wait to go pick it up from mom's house!!  She also went back to get
the Princess treadle machine, there still was not a price on it, so she asked
the clerk (different clerk from when I was there &inquired @ the price) how
much it was, he had to call someone (the owner of the shop I think) &told
her that it was $50 (they had told me $40 3 weeks ago).  She also took a
flashlight &inspected the woodwork (mom &dad do refinishing on the side) &
saw that one drawer may be beyond repair.Since she wasn't sure if I wanted to
pay $50 she passed on it.  It's still there, she's going to take dad back to
get the verdict on whether or not he can save the drawer &have dad ask the
price to see if she gets yet another price.
Mom also found a Singer machine that she says resembles a featherweight but
it says it's a leather sewing machine.  Anyone ever hear of those?  A friend
of hers has also spotted a salesman's sewing machine in it's display case,
but has to inquire @ the price for me.
Well that's all for now, just wanted to let you know about my new little 301
&all the little discoveries mom has been unearthing.
Laura
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:09:25 -0500
Subject: Re:WANTED-FEATHERWEIGHT MACHINE

I'm looking for a Featherweight machine from the year 1947 that is in very
good condition. Please let me know the asking price and what, if any,
accessories come with it. Thanks. Jean
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 22:28:54 -0600
Subject: Shipping

I plan on doing some shopping while on vacation (antique shops, auctions) and 
will be on the look out for a treadle machine.  I have fond memories of my 
Grandmother's Singer from childhood.  Unfortunately, I wasn't interested in 
it at the time she disposed of it.  Some lucky person picked it up at her 
garage sale!

Should I come across "the machine", I was wondering about how to ship it 
home.  Does anyone have any experience with this?  How should it be packed?  
Would airlines take it?  How expensive?

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.  

Sandy 
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:02:45 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: A few replies

> I hope someday to find an old bernina with a knee lift.  I'd like to 
> machine quilt with it. I saw one in lansing yesterday, for $150. 
 
Cheryl: I have an 830 Bernina that has a knee lift and often wondered 
why you would use one? At first I thought it was an alternative to the 
foot pedal but soon found out it wasn't! The knee lift is stuck away in 
the cupboard somewhere, now that I've _just_ started machine quilting 
can you give me a lesson on how/why etc you would use it please?
 
>I also have a treadle machine made by Brunswick.  It's in a beautiful, 
>hand-carved oak cabinet.  I wrote to Brunswick, sending them a picture 
>of the machine.  They responded promptly that they believe the machine 
>was made in the late 1800's when their company was exploring other 
>products for their woodcarvers to manufacture and that very few of the 
>sewing machines were made.
 
Ellen: I suspect (guessing really) that this firm Brunswick you 
mentioned doesn't have a clue and probably didn't actually make the 
Brunswick sewing machine at all, I stand to be corrected on this of 
course! Today I've been reading Sincere's book and this is what I found 
in it - also useful to Lisa Reeves about the Damascus machine she saw:
 
Wards &Sears Roebuck (mail orders) both sold machines under the names 
of: Minnesota, Brunswick, Damascus, Franklin, Home, Windsor &Belmont. 
Prime source of these machines was Davis Co for most of early 1900's. 
When White succeeded in getting Sears account, the machine was re-named 
Franklin, then later, Kenmore, when Sears standardized the name for all 
their appliances. A short time after losing the mail order house 
account, Davis went out of business. (page 174 Sincere's HOTSM)
 
> I too would like to know the names of some available reference books. 
>Perhaps GRAHM might know some, or how to get into the book I hear is on 
>file at the Smithstonian??
 
Cheryl again: I wonder if this is what I've just read in Sincere's book? 
I know this book is 26 years old (this month!) but you still might be 
lucky, it's worth a try. On the introduction page it says:
 
I strongly recommend reading the Smithsonian Publication, "The Invention 
of the Sewing Machine" by Grace Rogers Cooper. The book can be purchased 
from the United States Government Printing Office, Washington D C.
 
Yvonne Quilt-R: I have a lovely Jones machine that came with a manual 
so if you ever need a copy of it let me know. I bought it at a local 
garage sale for $5 :)
                        + + + + + +
I've gleaned heaps from this book (Sincere's) and reluctantly have to 
return it to the library tomorrow! I've added all sorts of information 
to my list of Singer Model Nos, plus bits &pieces I've picked up from 
this list, if anyone would like a copy I'd be happy to send it to you 
via email. I've also made up a list of OTHER makes and models of sewing 
machines that I can send via email too.
 
Question: I know this is very remiss of me but I've only just become 
interested in machine quilting so until now I have skipped over the talk 
of walking feet and other quilting feet for the FW. Is there such a foot 
and if so are they easy to come by? Anyone have one they want to sell 
or better still give away :)? Maybe a model/serial # so I know what to 
look for when I go hunting?
  __ _     
 /  ('>-   
 \__/   `
  L\_    Cheers....Dawn 
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Date: 06 Mar 96 07:44:59 EST
Subject: Contribution

To Becky
Re your missing Singer parts.

It may not be local but try Steve and Cathy Racine in Charlston, Mass (508) 248
6632. They service and repair  non-electical machines. Tell then Graham sends
hugs

To Diana
 Two companies made Duchess treadle machines, The National Sewing Machine Co and
the AG Mason Mfg Co. Both date from this century. 
This business about my sister is getting out of hand and I'm seriously starting
to wonder if I wasn't secretly adopted 

To Caryl
Thanks for the Egge information. It's all stacking yp against me.

To all
Re requests for book list. I will post the ISMACS list of available books within
the next four days , probably over the weekend. Hope it is not too long. It
gives title, publishers, where to get and a brief,  piece on the worth of each.
Does not cover FW titles.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:33:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Singer identity

Hi, everyone!

Thanks to Graham for confirming my thoughts on the Singer "sewing bird" 
attachment.  I didn't realize they even made anything like that.  I'm 
beginning to think from reading this list that there is hardly anything 
that isn't out there!

Thanks, too, to you, Krisi, for dating my mystery machine between June 
and August of 1947.

I guess I'll put out another appeal to the rest of you for help in 
identifying the machine I bought a couple of weeks ago.  It is a black 
Singer in a bentwood case with a knee lever, measures 13 1/2" x 8", has 
gold decals, the take-up lever is at the left end and peeks out through 
the face plate towards the back, the face plate and tension knob are 1 
piece, there is a light that is at the back and can be removed, no 
markings on the needle plate, and has a bobbin winder lever that pops up 
when the bobbin is full.  I need to identify it, find a manual for it, or 
need help in knowing what reference to look for so that I could find out 
what it is.

Another interesting thing that I've run across are references to Full 
High Arm Honeymoon and New Cottage Ball Bearing Sewing Machines.  They 
are pictured in a very old Butler Bros. Catalog from the turn of the 
century that I have.  Are there any of these around?

Thanks for your help.

Karen
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:55:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Model 2 Treadle

Hello All,

I am familiar with the differences between a Singer Model 27 and 127, but 
I am trying to determine what, if any, difference exists between the 
MOdel 2 and the Model 27.  In the instruction manual for the 27, the 
notes on the cover refer to the "number 2".  Are these two different 
designations for the same machine?

Thanks for any hints,

Daryl
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Date: 06 Mar 96 08:59:40 EST
Subject: Contribution

To all
I"m just a little bit excited about this. Have just found burried deep in my
archive the definitite answer to thos white/mint-green FWs.
The source is a book published by Singer in 1980 for its reps and dealers and is
a photographic record  "to provide an easy means of identification of sewing
machines sold in the UK from 1870 to 1862"
Each model is photographed and with a caption giving dates of manufacture and
other details.
From it we learn;
221K Black or PALE TOURQUOISE. Black machines produced in Britain from 1949 to
1955 when entire 221K production went over to the pale tourquoise. This ended in
1964,
222K Black only. Made from 1955 to 64.
So there we have it. No white or mint green. Obviously in '55 the Black 221K was
discontinued and the plant used for 222Ks with only Pale T 221Ks surviving the
model change. 
From other information in the book I should be able to pin down the date of all
K machines if Singer USA do not have the UK information.

Graham F
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:20:43 -0500
Subject: FWFanatics

Since I am sure that Sue Traudt would never tell us herself, may I note that
my newly-arived April issue of Quilter's Newsletter Magazine makes mention
of Sue and Eric Traudt on page 42 under INTERNET paragraph in article on
Computer Quilting Neighborhoods.  Congratulations, Sue!  And if someone has
already mentioned this, forgive please.  I just returned from a week in the
sun and am not caught up on March posts yet.

Millie 
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:04:54 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/4/96

Thank you Grahm for the info, above - if any avid toy collectors want me to
go get this for them, I'll be happy to. Oh, it did not have a needle, so I
would assume the price should be a little lower, or a lot lower? Since this
great little quilt shop is just across the street, I will be visiting weekly,
at least, rather than making the 2 hour drive to the crime capitol of Little
Rock (my old home town, sadly), for my fabric fixes.
I'm not familiar with the 99 and other models being talked about here - I
guess I also need a good pictorial guide to old machines - any suggestions ?
Since I'm going to be hunting anyway, knowing what I'm looking at when I see
an old  machine, and knowing what it should be valued at would be a great
help - there's nothing worse than walking away from something, having second
thoughts, and going back after it only to find it GONE ! I can spot a FW at a
hundred paces, but the others are a bit of a mystery.
And, thank you also for your advise on the book not being a good guide - we
really need an accurate one to carry with us on our searches, and I'm glad I
didn't "bite" on this one.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:01:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Light

Does anyone know if I can get a replacement for the light assembly for an 
AE Model Featherweight from 1938?  The whole unit is missing (not just 
the bulb :)  If so, please contact me at Btricari@capaccess.org

Thanks, Barb T
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:03:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/4/96

Hi all fellow Fanatics:

I suppose this question has been answered before, but I must have missed it.  In 
the manual that came with my featherweights, it referred to using a singer 
lubricant in the "tubes".  I'm sure I read somewhere not to use sewing machine 
oil in them.  

Not having a Singer dealer locally, I traveled 60 miles in search of this 
lubricant.  The dealer in that town told me that the lubricant is no longer made 
and that you just put sewing machine oil there.

Is this true?  If not, what does one use? Or where do you get the lubricant?

Will be waiting for a reply to this problem.  Thanks.

Barb K.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:42:46 -0500
Subject: Singer Deluxe Monogrammer

Dear Sue,
I got your name and email address from a posting on my sewing newsgroup, and
hope you can give me some information.  I have an old Singer Model 500A, and
attachments for it have long since become obsolete.
I'm looking for the ruler shaped cams that fit the Singer Deluxe Monogrammer
#171276.  Although I have the monogrammer itself I'm missing nine of the
letters in the alphabet.  Please note that these are not the small circular
cams that fit the regular monogrammer, but look like little rulers.  They
make a larger letter than the other cams, and have the following part number:
39558.
I'm missing the following letters:  G H I K O T U V Y
Can you recommend a possible source where I could locate these?  I've already
been in touch with Singer and with the various dealers in Chicago.  Thank
you.

Fran
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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 12:35:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Bought my first FW!

And to think, up to a week ago I'd never seen a FW and till two weeks ago 
I hadn't even seen a picture of one!

Well, once I acknowledged the bug's presence, it bit me and off I flew in
search of my FW.  It didn't take long, either; luck was with me.  The sewing
center I called had none, but the owner steered me to a woman who wanted to
sell hers since she'd acquired a second, older one.  (Nancy's obviously not a
fanatic -- one is enough for her.  Actually, I'm hoping one will be enough for
me, too, fool that I am.)  She wanted $300 and it seemed a good buy.  Its
birthday is 1/17/55 and it needs some cleaning/oiling, but I'm up to that.  It
has a case and Nancy included a copy of the Johnson-Srebro book.  No
attachments, but I've got some of those I've bought at thrift stores and have
verified the s/ns with the list here so I know they're okay for FWs.  The
stitch is truly awesome.  I just keep looking at the fabric swatch I've tried
it on.  It's so perfect.  I can hardly wait till this weekend when I have time
to really spend some time with it.  Haven't decided what to name her/him yet. 
It always takes me a long time to name something (child, pet, vacuum cleaner)
-- I have to wait and see what its personality is like.  Actually I've never
named a sewing machine (or vacuum, come to think of it) before, but then I'd 
never thought of learning their birthdates, either.  ;-)  -- Jill M
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:31:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: etceteras

To Diane: You need to post the part number of your buttonholer.  I have
one of the later Singers (green "bullet" box") and I can photocopy the
manual for you IF it's the right one.

To Becky: You can get throat plates (front and back) from A Stitch Back in
Time in Texas.  You should determine the model number of the treadle to
find out what you need.  My copy of Machine Sewing... has threading
diagrams for shuttle, drop-in, and vertical rotary machines.  I can
photocopy these for you if you can figure out what you need.

To Lisa:  I'd take all the information the dealer gives you and do just
what you did yesterday -- post it to the list.  She can't possibly expect
you to buy every old machine she gets in stock. Tell her she's getting
free postings on the Internet, which has to be wider advertising than she
gets now.  I'm undecided about giving her the rating list.  If she
concludes that most of what she's finding isn't worth the trouble, she may
decide to quit handling sewing machines (and attachments) all together.
Then what happens the day she passes up a FW?

To Graham:  Well, since I'm two for two on the sister's name, would you
like to me to find you an imaginary brother while I'm at it??  (Why can't I
do this with lotty numbers...?) Give our collective best to you mother the
next time you see her.

About Whoever Invented Anything:  History, as they say, is written by the
winners -- or whoever got to the patent office first, or whoever gets
the best press.  On one of James Burke's episodes of either "Connections"
or "The Day the Universe Changed", he presents a portrait of Thomas Edison
which isn't exactly flattering but is probably closer to the truth: 
Edison had a small army of lab assistants who did lots of the work and got
none of the credit.  In my (long ago) undergraduate days at the University
of Pittsburgh, someone affiliated with the medical school once told me
that the reason Jonas Salk got his name on the vaccine was because his
name was on the research grant.  The work was done by (you guessed it!) a
small army of lab assistants who did lots of the work and got none of the
credit.  For obvious reasons, history books have to be condensed somewhere
along the line, and their "facts" should be taken with a grain of salt.

Lydia
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:27:27 -0500
Subject: FWFanatics

I need to tell Jim T (I lost your email address) that I looked for the
drawer to match your treadle and none the fellow had matched. Sorry.  I will
continue to look in my wanderings.  Seems I find everything eventually!!
However, he did have a matched set of 6 others with the front/side carvings
for $125 the set.

I am waiting to get a drawer for someone else (email me please, I lost your
address too).  The lady has not called again to say that she has the drawer.
Since the snow is all gone here, I will give her another call in a few weeks
in case she forgot.  She probably just has not done any antique shows all
winter.

I found a complete set of Greist attachments today.  Great shape too, all
shiny like new!  Email me if you want to own them!

B44	box of Greist attachments  $40	Shiny black metal box with gold squiggle
around perimeter.  Gold is all intact. Inside is purple/black marblized
thick paper lining with gold printing designating name of each attachment.
Each attach is secured to box. Include 5 hemmers, braider, binder, tucker,
ruffler, edge stitcher, cloth guide/screw, metal screwdriver, under braider
plate, chirring plate, quilting guide, cutting gauge. Shiny, new looking.
Bonus: 16 page New Home manual for using Greist attachments.

I plan to make copies of the above manual.  $5 if anyone needs one.

Thanks.   Millie
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:33:49 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/4/96

Toodles, everyone!
  I just got back from a day out, where I found, among other things, a
Standard Rotary Shuttle Treadle machine in a gorgeous (looks like) oak
cabinet, with the manual, a built- in bobbin case with bobbins, and a boxful
of attachments. Tho the gold is worn, the machine works well, as best as I
could tell, and the price was $350, but the owner was coming off the price
even as we stood talking about it. The pretty locking "bonnet" machine cover
was in great shape, too. Oh, how I wish I had room for one more !
I did, however, come home with the neatest little box full of attachments,
dated 1882, that is  made to open out to four sections, with mortise and
tenon joints. I haven't a clue about it's intended machine, or what the
attachments are, I just fell in love with the box.
There were at least 4 other cases of attachments, one was a bakelite, and
 two were buttonholer cases. But, no Featherweights, and no zigzag
attachments for my 301.
I REALLY, really need a book to identify all these wonderful things I'm
running across, as well as the machines! So - that was my day - what have the
rest of you found?
Becky( As always, I'll be glad to go get that Standard if anyone has interest
- sure is pretty!)
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 21:27:02 EST
Subject: FW Fanatics 3/4/96

Michele , guess I'm not computer smart but can't get an E-
mail through to you.  I would very much like the FW table, if it 
hasn't been sold.  Would you e-mail me? 
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Date: 06 Mar 96 22:08:57 EST
Subject: FW for sale

OK, dear Fanatics, I must type and send this quickly before I change my mind.
Last Sunday I couldn't resist buying a great  FW from a dear elderly lady. I
don't need it, having a healthy collection already, so I promised myself I'd
offer it for sale here. It's an AL with the older-type gold paint, two keys, one
case, a bunch of bobbins, six attachments, old tube of lubricant, and manual in
great shape. The case has a bit of wear on the corners, but is otherwise intact
and clean. The machine is a 9+ cosmetically and a 10 mechanically. The bed has
six tiny scratches on the black paint, and is otherwise perfect. I'd let this go
for $375, plus postage, which is $24.50 (includes insurance). E-mail me if
you're interested -- quick, before I change my mind!
	Sherry G
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:14:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/4/96

Thanks, Graham, for the info on the worth of the Jim Slaten book.  
Reading through today's post, it seems like there are quite a few of us 
who would like a good reference to the older sewing machines.
I borrowed the Smithsonian book from the library, but it didn't cover 
"new" enough machines for me (treadle up to 1960's).  If you can 
recommend anything, it would be very much appreciated!
Kolleen
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Date:          Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:54:36 GMT-10
Subject:       theonethatgotaway

I travelled down to Melbourne on the weekend to help celebrate my 
Mums' birthday.  As  I enjoyed my early morning walk through the park 
I noticed a Trash n' Treasure sale being set up to open at 9:30am.  I 
had already spied some portable sewing machine cases in amongst the 
trash so I decided to return at 9:30.
When I returned there were people everywhere.  No-one was paying any 
attention to the sewing machines so I marched over to take a look.  
None of them appealed to me, although I did try to lift the lid of 
the Singer with the bentwood box case.  However it was locked and I 
couldn't get the lid off.  I decided I didn't really want another 99 
with a knee control so I wandered off.   
As I passed along the next aisle I noticed a young couple looking at 
the Singer and they had asked for help in unlocking the case.  I 
loitered nearby watching as the case was lifted to reveal the most 
perfect Singer 15K hand crank sewing machine!!!!!!  It was in 
pristine condition with box of attachments.  They paid A$20 for it.
I neally cried!
I power- walked home barrating myself for my stupidity. Tto think I 
had my hands on it and just walked away...........sob.....sniffle....
Elizabeth
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:27:19 +1100
Subject: A couple of questions!

>Graham 
I have a Singer treadle   no.8203364  Singer has told me its an IF made 8th
May 1888 do you know if there is a manual avaliable for this machine ? This
machine is my  pride and joy it has a Gold seal  and really pretty pink
white green and gold decal flowers  , two drawers the handles are metal
rings on square metal piece with Singer  mfg co and a gate leg table on the
left side. The wrought iron work has Singer Manufacturing Co. NY .I Have
been told by a supposed expert that due to the fact this machine is  a
bobbin it can't possibly be that old . Is it unusual to have a bobbin in a
machine of this age ?
My husband bought me a toy machine this week it looks like a Singer 20
however I cannot find any number or manufactures name anywhere on the
machine  she is absolutley gorgeous  burgandy  on the frame  and outer wheel
the handle is a  pink  with chrome everywhere else not a mark on it  she
came in her own little brown carry bag with one page of instructions this
however does not give away her identification any ideas  anyone ?
I personally think we are very lucky to have Graham on this list  I have
learnt a lot from his answers.
I will be flying out  to America on March 30th  spending a month travelling
with my sister ( also a quilter ) we will be travelling through Nebraska
,Illinois , Indiana , Ohio to Lancaster PA , New Hampshire , Boston ,
Washington DC, Paduca , Branson MO Kansas City then back to Denver for
another month . The only reason I am posting my very sketchy itinery is to
ask if anyone has any places of interest we shouldn't miss, antique shops
or shows..
Sorry this is so long Ann-Maree
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:58:29 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/5/96

hi all,
i have for sale a BOX from a sewhandy model 20.  the box is in good
condition, although it has a water stain in the bottom which also has
affected the back side of the cover.  the box is square, not quite a cube.
the box is green and white, the cover and bottom have no tape holding it
together, although some of the green paper seems to have lifted off on the
corner edges.
in the box is a manual copyright date 1953 "How to use your SINGER SEWHANDY
Model 20 Sewing Machine" and a c-clamp in a taupe (beigey) color metal.  i
think this is the original clamp from what i have gleaned from this list.
also there is a small manilla envelope which contains a round think cardboard
advert. piece with a notch cut out of it which says that this is a real
sewing machine, instructive and educational for both little and big sister
for the making of doll clothes and other simpile garments.  it is printed on
both sides.  also in the envelop is a key (very oddly shaped) that may be for
this machine or not.  it kind of looks like a duck's head and bill, squashed
of course since it is totally flat, and the beak is squared, not pointed.
 have i described that so it is understandable?  there is also a green needle
packet, 24x1 (3 size 14), but there are only two needles in it.
anyway, i will sell the whole box and contents for $25.00 plus postage to the
first person who would like it.  i myself do not collect these toys, but if i
can't sell this i might have to look for the machine to go with it.
contact me direct
thanks.
ellen b.
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:07:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: message to Penelope

Apology accepted, Graham.  Please tell Penelope that I mended slacks on my
Spartan yesterday.  Does a great job.

Marilyn
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:11:30 -0800
Subject: HOLD THAT OIL!!!!!

Barb,

I was just reading this mornings FWF, when I came upon your letter re Singer
lubricant.

DO NOT USE OIL IN THE LUBRICANT HOLES,  sorry for the shouting,  but this
would be disaster both for the machine, and for your pocket book.  Singer
still makes lubricant,  it is readily available in most fabric stores right
next to the bobbins.  costs about 2 dollars.  

I hope you will never be tempted to take any of your machines to this
repairman,  He does not know what he is talking about.  

To use oil in a LUBE hole, would really mess up your motor, and if you used
it in any of the gears that require lube,  it would eventually allow your
gears to be damaged.

Lube goes in/on lube places,  oil goes in/on oil places,  Never the twain
shall meet.

 
Lynda C
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:14:48 -0500
Subject: Vicky's Treadle

Hi Vicky,

In a message dated 96-03-07 07:41:39 EST, you write:

>Anyway, the machine has gold, red and green ornate decals allover it, the
>faceplate has vines or something on it and the serial # is G4789583. It has
a
>drop in bobbin. The table has 2 drawers on either side as well as a center
>drawer. The iron work has Singer in it. Can anyone tell me what model this
>is, 

My first guess is that it is a model 66 because it sounds identical to my
MILs treadle. You can call Singer at the 800 number given at the end of this
list to find out for sure and also the date of manufacture. As to value, it
is worth what you feel in your heart. My machines have gone up vastly in
value since I have had them because I love them more everyday.  Hope this
helps, Katy
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Subject: Singer oil and lubricant
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:01:33 -0500

Barb K. :  I just went looking for Singer oil and lubricant 
myself.  JoAnn Fabrics had both-the oil in a plastic bottle and the 
lubricant in a plastic tube, on the notions wall.  WalMart had the oil 
for $1 less, but did not carry the lubricant (here, anyway).  The Singer 
manual shows oiling points on the mechanical parts of the fw, as well as 
two places to use the lubricant (D in fig. 26 and A in fig. 27).  Nancy 
Johnson-Srebro says in her FW 221 book, p. 34:  "This (fw) motor has two 
grease tubes that must be filled periodically, and Singer motor 
lubricant is the only recommended grease.  Do not under any 
circumstances try to inject  WD-40 or any other oil into the motor's 
grease tubes.  If  you  do, the oil will find its way onto the motor 
brushes and saturate them; they are made of carbon and must be kept bone 
dry for proper operation."  The lubricant, by the way, is non-flowing, 
so when used as directed in the motor grease tubes stays on the bearings 
and doesn't touch the brushes.  Others have also reported being told 
that Singer doesn't make the motor lubricant any more; lots of us find 
it easily in the white and red plastic tube.  I don't know why the 
contradictions, but I would definitely find the tube of lubricant to use 
on the two points mentioned above, but use your oil on the other oiling 
points.  Good luck-hope this helps!             Joy
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:52:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Fw Fanatics 3/6/96

To Graham F :

What are you trying to tell us?  What is the answer about the Mint Green 
machines?  Are you saying that they were not made in Great Britain?  They say 
so on the machine.  Near the wires coming out the side of the machine it says:

221k  Then there is a trademark of a large c with an sp inside of the c. then 
on mine is the #13608.  Below that is printed:  The Singer Company, below that: 
made in Great Britain.

As I own one of these I am curious to its origin.  Thanks for your 
investigation.  My serial # is: FA129936.

Barb K.
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:04:33 -0500
Subject: 

  Nancy said: 'Also purchased from a private party, a 185K with very
beautiful gold design and a fancy face plate, dob 5/7/59.  I have not seen
any reference to this model machine on FWF.  Does anyone know anything about
this model? '

I have a 185J which I purchased last summer.  It is a really awful green.  I
only bought it because it looked so forlorn at a flea market.  $5.  No
manual, attachments or cover.  I have honestly not even thought about
cleaning it up and trying it out, althought I love to do that kind of thing.
Maybe tomorrow I will get it out for some TLC!!

Diana said: 'Although the machine seems to be in pretty good shape, there is
some light rust on the throatplate, knobs, etc., and also on the Greist
attachments. What's the best way to clean this off?'

What I do is pour some Lestoil in a bowl and soak the attachments for at
least 1 hour.  Then I use an old toothbrush to scrub any remaining crud.
Has worked fine so far.

COEUR talked about 'countries' ad cards by Singer.  I had a stack of 3 dozen
of them in my hand today, at $2 each.  Some were duplicates.  Does anyone
know how many different countries are represented on these cards?  Is $2 a
good price (I know that Coeur's $1 is even better!).

Joy: The model 128 for $50?  Go for it!  Cleaned up it is a beauty!

Millie 
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:26:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Fw Fanatics 3/6/96

Hi Fans:  Always wanted to say that.  I have just become a "mother" to a
lovely FW, born in 1955.  Found it when I was purchasing a beautiful Singer
toy sewing machine. (I collect.)  The lady asked me if was interested in a FW
she had for sale.  I said "sure" but didn"t hear from her till two weeks ago.
 The machine belonged to her mother. It was hardly used and fresh from a
reconditioning.  It was almost complete.  Machine, case, attachments, and
table.  All for $225.00!!!  Momma did not raise a fool.  Of course I bough it
and I am thrilled.  I have been sewing since age 10 and a quilter since 1980,
so sewing machines are in my blood, so to speek.  Glad to be a part of FWFan.
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 13:30:11 EST
Subject: 185K

     
     Marilyn R :  After you replied to my post about a 185K, I called 
     Singer again.  This time they told me I had a 99K, DOB 7-29-49!  I 
     have been wanting one of these, so that made me quite happy.  It is 
     belt driven, and the tread tension is in the front.  It has a drop-in 
     bobbin.  Hope Singer was right this time, as I obviously can't tell 
     the model number by looking at the machine.   Thanks, Marilyn.
     
     
     What's really odd is that this past weekend, in a Goodwill store, I 
     found a two-tone green machine with a plate on it marked "185J"  The 
     head is stamped "Made in Canada."  The head and base are medium green, 
     and the balance wheel and face plate are a liiiight yellow-green.  The 
     plastic case is also two-tone; medium green base and liiiight 
     yellow-green cover. The machine has a plain throatplate, is belt 
     drive, has no numbers on the tension dial, screw for the stitch 
     length, motor is BZ 15-8, has top-loading bobbin to the left of the 
     needle.  Bobbin is solid except for one hole, and to raise the bobbin 
     you push down on a little cross-hatched button.  The machine is a 3/4 
     head, straight stitch with reverse, and surely weighs 50 pounds.  It 
     is at least as heavy as the godzilla 99 and 128 in the bentwood cases. 
     Singer dated this one 5/23/60.  Its SN is JD835194.  If I had realized 
     it was so new, I probably wouldn't have bought it, especially since 
     I'll never be able to carry it anywhere!  Does anyone have a machine 
     like this?  I haven't even tried to sew on it yet, so can't tell 
     anything about the stitch. 
     
     Nancy B
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:56:14 -0500
Subject: ISMACS

Graham,
Love your posts on FWF.  Would like info on how to become a member of ISMACS.
 I have learned so much from you and all of the others  in this group.  I am
still looking for the ever elusive FW that is just waiting for me.  I visited
England for 2 weeks about 5 years ago and just fell in love with it.  Hope to
come for a longer visit some day in the future.  Thanks so much for all of
your information and help.  By the way, I always did want a sister instead of
just a brother.  Maybe I can share your make-believe one.  
Thanks
Barbara
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:50:08 -0500
Subject: Items For Sale

Hi All, 

Here is another list of gadgets you may be interested in:

Feed cover plate (with screw) to  fit a FW.  Price: $5

Singer buttonholer #160506, will fit a FW. Includes  feed cover plate and 5
templates in green plastic box with SINGER in raised letters. Has a manual
for the buttonholer which fits the slant needle machines, but the buttonholer
works the same in either case so it doesn't really matter.  Price: $29

Red tin box containing miscellaneous Greist attachments. This box is NOT
original and not in the best shape (actually it is a bit out of shape). It
contains a tucker, binder, cloth guide, zipper foot, edge stitcher, 4
hemmers, and a screw driver.  Most significantly, it contains that all
important attachment foot and a copy of a manual. These attachments will fit
any low shank Singers, including FWs, according to the Sincere's repair book.
 Price: $15
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:44:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Fw Fanatics 3/6/96

Hi,

Anybody out there ever hear of a Ruby Treadle machine.  It's what I purchased
(cheap) about 5 years ago.  No one I know has any history on this....Thanks
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Date: 07 Mar 96 19:10:03 EST
Subject: Contribution

No Nancy 
re DOB of 221K
 	" I have a pale turquoise FW (to me, it will always be mint
green) with  a SN of F (then a verrry faint "A") 131629.  Would
appreciate you letting me know its DOB.  Singer was no help at
all. "
Just how faint is that letter A in the SN, Nancy? According to the records I'm
using which were rescued from Kilbowie when the factory closed, the Singer Co
went from EZ to FB without using FA at all. EZ was used from May '68 to April
'70 and FB from April '69 to June '71.
As far as I can tell the SNs on British machines did not allow a to-the-day DOB
until the 500 series started in 1973.
From what I read on Fanatics the Singer Co in the USA is dating many machines to
the day (allbeit with a few errors). I have written to them from ISMACS
requesting this dating information and, if it comes (they're a funny lot at
Singer nowadays) it will be interesting to see if there is any info on the K
models.
The  Kilbowie  two-letter SN system was started in  October 1935 with EA 1. When
they reached EA 999,999 they went onto EB 1. 
I,O,U and W were not used with the E prefix. and from '74 the new SN system was
introduced which was , in effect, a product coding rather than just a number.
 Previous to '35 they used a single letter but not in alphabetical order -- or
anything like it.
Sorry I could not be of more help

To Karen
Your Singer with the tension on the needle head cover sounds like a 15 made all
the way, in various forms, from 1910 to 1956 as the 15/80 and from 1958 to 1964
as the 15/112. Only other possibility is the 15N introduced in 1982 but I do not
think this had a bent-wood case.
Both the Honeymoon and New Cottage machines were made by the Davis Company which
specialised in producing machines for large outlets which could then add their
own brand names. Period around 1910 to 1925.

To Daryl

The Singer 2 was a heavyweight industrial machine made from the 1860s right up
to the 1920s. Can't think what the reference in the 27 manual is all about .

To Lydia

You are right about inventors and especially Edison who is another of my
interests. The guy ran an inventions factory. Paid the wages and took the
credit.
The only gripe I've got about Howe is that he invented , or stole, a sewing
machine that simply didn't work and became the richest man in the world on the
strength of it.

To Kolleen

As I said I will post the ISMACS book list this weekend but it really isn't
going to help anyone looking for machines after around 1910. There simply isn't
anything published. My archives stop at around the same period and I have only
limited material up to the 1930s and virtually nothing after that save one
heavyweight Singer publication which lists and illustrates all models made from
1865 but only those produced in the UK. And certainly by the 1930s and after not
all Singer models were made in all factories.
I've written a few books and know that the break-even figure for a publisher is
around 5000. If he sells less than that he's in trouble. I think it will take a
time for us Fanatics to reach that figure.

Best wishes to all 
Graham F,
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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 19:32:17 EST
Subject: FW Fanatics 3/5/96

I'm looking for a table for my 1938 FW.  Was too late for Michele's table.  Please e-mail me if you have one for sale.  Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:17:44 -0500
Subject: fwfANATICS

First of all, thanks to Sue for including my sale items in the FWF.  Sure
wish I knew how to deal with the end-of-line markers.   I get it all perfect
to send, but it never comes out that way!  Honest, I do not compose 1 word
lines except at end of paragraphs.  Any hints out there on how to control this??

And thanks to all who responded.  I am trying to get back to everyone today!
It is really interesting to see the high demand items (fold-out oak boxes
and model 99 machines).  Since pricing if often a relative thing, I will at
this point entertain offers on items which are yet unsold.

I was away in Florida for a week, much needed R&R.  Naples (checking it out
for retirement) and Miami (rescued daughter from UnivMiami for 2 days in the
Keys).  Dh consented to stop at 1 pawn and 2 antique shops.  At one of the
latter, the owner described a FW to me but could not find it.  Figures it
sold as the store was midget sized.  OH, well.  The 2 things I did find are
listed below.

B43 - Singer hemstitcher Part # 121387 $15
In green/white Singer box.  For hemstitching and picoting.  Also cover plate
#121388 with screw. Condition slight rust.

Singer 15-91 manual  $10
No cover.  Otherwise condition very good. 3X6 inch manual, 62 pages. Not
dated; possibly 1930's.
	
That's it for now.   Millie
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:05:19 -0500
Subject: 

I spent the greater part of the last 24 hours cleaning up 4 machines.  One
is the 185J which I purchased last summer and was shamed into cleaning after
someone asked about a 185K.  What neat machines all.  Gorgeous, firm,
consistent stitches.  The 4 machines were a 99-13, 66, 192K Spartan and the
185J.  How I love to make them shine and purr!!
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:11:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/3/96

To All You Singer Fanatics:

Just a few things to say.  I went rummaging the other day and found 
another Singer Sewing book by Mary Picken, 1949.  If anyone is interested 
just e-mail me at bewagner@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us

I also found a bag of attachments by Greist with a manual named 
"Instructins for operating the Minnesota Model "L" Sewing Machinefrom 
Sears Roebuck and Company.  It has a few long skinny bobbins with it.  I 
assume the attachments were probably for this machine.  It has the 
quilting bar that attaches to the presser foot.  Quite interesting really.
I have no idea how old these things are.  The attachment box just has the 
gold detailing and only the letter N at the end is visible.  Looking at 
the manual, it does seem that these attachments are for the Minnesota L.  
If interested, e-mail me at the above address.  I love finding things for 
other people.

I also found a booklet for the Sears automatic buttonholer (kenmore) for 
zig zag machines.  It was 10 cents if anyone wants it. I also have an 
instruction manual for the Singer Stylist model 513 machine if anyone 
wants it.  I think i paid a quarter for it.

Graham, would you consider buying one of those free arms for us 
collectible people and shipping a few over.  I'm sure we would all be 
grateful!

Guess I have used my quota of space.  Happy sewing!

Betty
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:08:11 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics

A few excuses to buy FWs/sewing machines:
   It keeps me out of the bars.
   I don't drink or smoke; I deserve one vice (although I've worn this one a
little thin
     with fabric!)
   They take up less room than bulldozers or tractors.
   I'll have a spare in case the other (8) break down.
   How many guns do you have, dear?  (a/k/a the best defense is a good
offense theory)
   

Pemby,

The bakelite (a hard, early plastic) FW part is the piece on the cord that
plugs into the machine.  I was pretty disappointed when I had my cord
replaced and the new part was a rubbery (probably vinyl) material.

Graham,

I've very much enjoyed your posts.  Thank you for the information on the
Duchess treadle.  I'm certainly looking forward to the book list -- I've
(reluctantly) decided that I need a book, preferably one that will identify
later machines rather than the scarce $$ ones.

The FW color post was interesting, but I'm confused. Do you think the
turquoise is the color that I've seen people call "mint green"?  (I've never
had the chance to see one myself).

Lydia,

Thank you so much for the buttonholer instruction offer.  I've located a
source of instructions; I think mine is an earlier model anyway.

Barb K,

Don't put sewing machine oil in the lubricant holes!  I got my Singer
lubricant at Piece Goods (a chain fabric store).  It comes in a small white
and red tube.  Do you have Nancy Srebo-Johnson's FW book?  It explains all
that stuff and more.

Diana 
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Date: 08 Mar 96 08:04:56 EST
Subject: Contribution

To all
Here's the download on all books available connected to the subject of old
sewing machines. It's simply lifted from an ISMACS News magazine and is a couple of years old. For some reason my computer will not print the English pounds sterling sign. All prices are in pounds. American readers should multiply by 1.6 to get a rough dollar price.


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NEW MEMBERS joining ISMACS receive 
	a starter kit which includes: data on English Antique markets;  the GF
chart now universally used to determine machine condition; index of back numbers
of ISMACS News;  a rarity-and-desirability chart; new-member questionnaire and a
list of books available on the subject of sewing- machine collecting.
Since the list was originally formulated there have been many additions and it
was thought time to produce a new list for the general membership. Out-of-print
books are included for reference.
Postal charges are detailed for two zones: (a) UK and (b) overseas, surface
mail, and include a padded envelope to protect the heavier books.

The Singer Saga
52-pages, by Charles Eastley, dealing with the life of Isaac Merrit Singer.
Published 1983 at 1.75. 
Lightweight paperback; no illustrations. Out of print but may still be available
from the Clydebank Museum.

Old Sewing Machines
Shire Publication by ISMACS member Carol Head; 32 pages, over 50 illustrations.
Good basic information for new collectors, recently re-printed. This book,
casually picked up in bookshops, museums and antique fairs, has been the
inspiration for many a collection. 
Price: 1.95 plus postage a) 35p; b) 60p.

The Toy Machines of F W Muller
Another book by an ISMACS member, this time Peter Wilhelm. In English and
German, the  well-produced 32-page paperback traces the machines of the Muller
company through re-prints of the company's catalogues.
Many illustrations and essential for toy collectors who will be able to identify
many previously un-named machines
Price: 6 plus postage a) 35p; b) 60p.

Antique Sewing Machines
Written by Brian Jewell as a follow up to his earlier Veteran Sewing Machines
now virtually unobtainable, this 160-page hardback was originally published at
17.90. Because of its high price, poor production, and numerous factual errors
it was not recommended.
Now  remaindered, all the faults are still there but at 8 plus postage a) 1.70;
b) 2.60, it represents good value if not authoratitive reading.

Old German Sewing Machines 
Also from Peter Wilhelm, a 148-page volume in German text traces the history of
most German companies. Now out of print.

Oldtimer Sewing Machines
Written originally in German by ISMACS member Otto Landgraf and subsequently
re-printed in English translation by Graham Forsdyke, this superbly-produced
192-page coffee-table volume features fine colour and black and white pictures.
Although concentrating on German manufacturers and covering later machines,
there are chapters devoted to early English and American makers and sections
detailing various important Continental collections.
Basis for the text was a series of articles written by  Otto - known as "the
father of German collecting" - for  a  German trade magazine some years ago. 
Available in English or German versions at 25 plus postage a) 4; b) 5.50.

The Sewing Machine: it's invention and development
The original "collectors' bible" from Grace Rogers Cooper of the Smithsonian
Insitution in America. In 1976 this best-selling ground breaker was enlarged to
its present 238 pages with over 200 illustrations.
Hard-bound, in good-quality art paper, this book is the authority on
American-machine history and development for the serious collector and contains
considerable historical information on American machines and most pioneer
inventors.
Written by an historian from Smithsonian archive machines and records over 20
years ago, it  naturally  doesn't give all the information a modern collector
wants.
However, it is still a useful book, particularly if your interests veer to the
historical rather than in simply checking out machines.
The book lacks an illustration index but one has now been produced and is
available from ISMACS on request.
Not easy to find these days  Last listed price 32. plus postage: a) 4; b) 5.50.

Encyclopedia of Early American Sewing Machines
This luxury  coffee-table production by Carter Bays, high on photographic
content but with disappointingly-little historical data, is destined to become a
best seller. In fact the first edition quickly sold through the trade andwill
soon be re-printed. 
It compliments rather than replaces Cooper, illustrating many more machines but
not delving as much into the history. Over 300 pages and 300 good-quality
pictures make it a must for those wishing to identify American models of the
last century
Recommended, but little attention should be paid to the overly-optimistic price
guide on which even the author seems to have considerable reservations. 
Price 32 plus postage: a) 4; b) 6.

The International History of the Sewing Machine
Written by the late Frank Godfrey, this heavyweight 300-page hardback deals with
industrial and domestic machines. Sadly concentrates on easily-available
material rather than the result of serious research. 
The history is taken up to the 1960 Japanese virtual-takeover of the industry.
Now out of print but Maggie Snell occasionally gets copies. 

Sewing machines; a catalogue of the Barnett collection
Basically a catalogue of captioned photographs of the collection of domestic and
industrial models at the Museum of English Rural Life at Reading University.
 Price 2 plus postage: a) 35p; b) 65p.

Antique American Sewing Machines: A value guide
A sad, "what's-it-worth?" publication with seemingly no research and
highly-questionable data. Not recommended at any price. 

Old French Sewing Machines
Peter Wilhelm's 120-page production gives brief details of French manufacturers
previously all-but ignored by authors, with photographs and detail drawings from
patent applications. 
The text, in French, German and English, gives  a brief history of the French
industry,  but the book's main strength is in its ability to help machine
identification.
 Price 14 plus postage: a) 1.50; b) 2.25.

German Toy Sewing Machines
The latest offering from prolific ISMACS  member Peter Wilhelm is aimed
principally at the newcomer to the hobby. 
The 20 pages contain brief details of the principal factories and many
illustrations of toys from the last century up until the 1960s.
Price 6 plus postage: 35p; b) 65p.

Sincere's History of the Sewing Machine
A strange,  long-out-of-print,  American hardback which occasionally turns up in
second-hand book shops. 
It's an odd combination of poorly-researched facts, crude drawings and
reminiscences of salesmen. Try to find it in your local library.

All the above-mentioned books are available from ISMACS Secretary Maggie Snell,
unless otherwise stated/March 1994

//////////////////////////////////////////////////.

Since checking current availablity with Maggie she tells me that she has been
offered half a dozen of the Smithsonian books by a rare book dealer. The guy is
asking  45 pounds english per copy. 

Best wishes
Graham F
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Date: 08 Mar 96 12:10:41 EST
Subject: Re: Fw Fanatics 3/6/96

I just recently bought Singer lubricant at a Minnesota Fabrics.  They also had
belts, and bobbins for the FW.  Hope you can find this in your area.  DO NOT put oil where the lubricant should be!  BTW, where are you in MN?  I'm in Rochester.
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 14:32:20 EST
Subject: A Fanatic Wanders ...


Hi all,  I have never gone to estate sales and auctions before this 
(horrible) winter, but I am definitely hooked.  This week I got a
Wheeler and Wilson treadle No.290033, with a large cast 8 on the right
front side of the head.  I have no idea of its age -- does anyone? or
how to find out?  It is not in good condition, although the wheel turns
and the needle rises and falls.  It appears to have had decals, but
there is no color anymore.  However, when I start cleaning it, I may
find more.  It is in a plain oak cabinet and there is a generic farm
extension manual concerning care of machines.  Does anyone know if it's
possible to get a copy of a manual for this machine?  Any and all help
would be appreciated.  Also, how would one measure how big a belt would
be needed -- there is none.

Next, I picked up an old industrial Singer for upholstery work.  It is
clean and in excellent condition.  When Singer was called, they said it
was a 44-10, based on the serial number (my boyfriend didn't think to
ask its age), but they only had a manual for a 44-9.  Does anyone know
if this will work for a 44-10 or have a manual that can be copied?

Finally, I have been reading A Capitalist Romance and I highly
recommend it.  It is not only about I.M. Singer, but the whole sewing
machine phenomenon (and sees history similarly to Graham Forsdyke) and
the social and cultural mores of the times.  Mostly well written, just
jumps around a little too much.  

Thanks for your time.  Thanks again to Sue who continues to make this
possible.  Eileen 
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Date: 08 Mar 96 16:41:05 EST
Subject: Contribution

Hi all

I know that this will sound as if I am inventing a job for someone else to do
but wouldn't it be great if one regular Fanatic kept a list of who had what in
the way of  Singer handbooks available for copy.
I'm suggesting that we feed  this volunteer, via FWF with what we have available
whether there is a charge etc.
Then, when we buy a 241/2K or whatever we can simply ask the keeper of the list
(KOL) for the name and e-mail address of whoever has the manual.
I'll start the ball rolling with the following manuals
12, 15, 20, 27, 28, 30, 48, 66, 99, 127, 128, 201, 222. It's not a lot but it's
a start.
Now all we need is a volunteer for KOL.
 

Graham F
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:52:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Plexiglass Tables for FW

I saw a couple of neat plexiglass tables at our quilting retreat recently. 
The tables were made for a Bernina and a Viking, but they're also made for
featherweights.  They give you lots more surface area to sew with in
front, back and left side of the machine.  I think they're about $60.  One
was purchased by vendor Jean Lyle at a recent show.  The table could also
double as a light box by placing a small light underneath.  Like most of
us who see these things (and then go home and say "why didn't I think of
that!) I wondered...has anyone tried making one yet?  I've thought about
going to a glass or plexiglass company (?) and pricing the plexiglass to make
one myself.  (It's just a piece of plexiglass cut around the machine, with
4 little legs underneath) The gals who used them on Retreat thought they
were wonderful!  I'm just not sure I want to spend that much money on
something I would only use at workshops or retreats.  (I primarily use my
Bernina which lowers into a wing-back table at home).  Comments? 

Barb T
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Date: Thu,  7 Mar 96 22:23:11 PST
Subject: Featherweight Singers

I'm interested in purchasing a featherweight but know nothing about them.  Could someone clue me in as to where you find them, what to look for and how much to pay?

I bought an old Singer (~1928) but there was nothing "feather like" about its weight!  I returned it because I knew it wasn't what I was looking for.  But what AM I looking for?

Thanks for your help!
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:41:44 -0500
Subject: Lubricant

Hi Fellow Fanatics,
        The question of Singer lubricant was raised the other day when Barb
K. said a dealer told her that Singer no longer made lubricant.
Unfortunately, the person who told her this was sadly misinformed.  
        Both Singer lubricant and Singer Sewing Machine oil are still made,
and available from sewing supply houses. 
        The lubricant in a 1/2 oz tube is packaged in a "blister pack card"
clearly labeled "Singer Lubricant"  Singer Item number 2129 SRP $2.65.
Singer sewing machine oil also in a 1/2 oz tube is Singer Item number 2130.
        If your local dealer doesn't have these items he can order them from
Tacony or Brewer.  Brewer part numbers are S2129 and S2130 respectively.
Jim
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:31:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: InformationRE:Larry

Hi Everyone,
                                                               I"m looking for informatiom on the Pfaff Club.It was through the Tamgled Threads that I found the FWF digest.Since then I have mail in a cheek for a subscription to the Phaff Club.I know they recieved my payment because they contacted me as to what part I choose to join.I sent my reply to them and have not heard from them since.I have tried to get on to the Pfaff web site but get a negitive response.Can anyone give me a clue?Thanks to all                                                 Larry
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:17:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/4/96

To Lisa R ,

I have tried unsuccessfully to e-mail you about the toy sewing machine.  
I hope you haven't had azillion requests, but if it is still available, I 
would love to hear from you.

Betty
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 13:03:23 -0500
Subject: FW Fanatics 3/9/96

Just wanted you to know that my beautiful hand-made reproduction FW table
arrived yesterday and my FW is sitting proudly in it right now in the middle
of the kitchen - til I rearrange my sewing room to make a space ;-)  This
table is just beautiful - lovingly crafted by Andy Fields of Pomona, Kansas.
 I have never met this gentleman but someone on this list mentioned him and
his tables. I called and ordered one and now it has arrived - very carefully
packed and meticulously made.  There is a short waiting list - about a month.
 Anyway, my FeatherWeight looks so proud and pretty sitting in this table AND
it solves the problem of the FW sitting up just a little too high when on a
regular table.  Just a happy customer!  Henrietta
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 10:10:31 -0600
Subject: countries cards

To Millie:  I've found cards from three *different* country series so far.
The least I've paid for them is $2 each, and most started out at $3 each.
I have 24 from one series, and 2 from each of the other two.  The 24 I have
show a copyright date of 1892 along the bottom edge of the picture.
Anyway, I think your $2 is a good price (you're making me drool! Tell me
more about them... maybe I'll take the duplicates off your hands, if I
don't already have them.).  You remember me saying I paid $1 each, but that
was for three of the city series, which are on flimsier paper, and are
about 4 1/2" by 7 1/8" -- much larger than the country cards.

BTW I found another country card last night, from the same series as the
very first one I bought.... this one shows a scene from Ecuador, and has an
ad for the 127-3 treadle on the back.  I got it for $2.

Last night I also saw a sister to the 1920's era (I think) oil can I bought
two weeks ago.... it was in worse condition than the one I have, and was
priced $5 higher, at $15.  The dealer wouldn't go below $12.50, and since
it's not as nice as the one I got less expensively, I decided to be an
adult about it and walked off empty-handed.  :)

I also say, for $85, what I think may have been a 99?  In an ugly cabinet,
but with lots of nice scrollwork and gold on the machine itself... knee
control.  I don't have room for more machines, so I walked away from that,
too.

Lisa, who is going to go broke buying "stuff"
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Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 09:24:45 MST
Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 3/7/96 Part 2 of 2

I too have a 185J...very nice machine but very heavy.  I haven't dated it
yet but suspect it is in the 1959/60 range.  was made in Canada.  I have
often wanted to respond to individuals but the email address usually
has flipped off my screen before I get to the end of the message.  It would
be helpful if we put our email addresses at the end of our messages.  The
best thing about my 185J were the wonderful needlepacks found in the case.
Sandra
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Date: 09 Mar 96 13:00:23 EST
Subject: Contributions

To Ann-Maree 

Sorry can't be too helpfull with the Singer -- my records on SNs start in 1900
with the M series. If you want to send me a pic I can sort it out for you.
We have a problem of tran-Atlantic terminology here. To my mind anything that
has thread wound on it is a bobbin. Do you mean a self-contained circular bobbin
rather than a long one enclosed in a shuttle?
As to the Singer 20 look-alike. This design was cloned by dozens of small
manufaturers in the 30s 40s 50s and 60s.
In Australia the model was made by Peter Pan although I've only seen these in
black
In Japan they were the All or the Lead also  all black
In England we had the Essex.(maroon) and the Grain (red or green)
These are the common ones but there were a lot more.
If I call burgundy and maroon around the same colour we have a choice of Essex
or Grain for your machine. Grain were usually sold on a wooden base with a name
tag  so that leaves Essex which were un-named. Certainly these were exported to
Australia.Yes it did come in a brown carry case but so did the Grain.
The Essex company had premises in Wanstead, Essex and still opperats but has no
longer any connection with sewing machines. 
If you want to snail-mail me the one page instructions I might be able to pin it
down for sure.
When at Lancaster PA make the diverson to Adamstown -- largest concentration of
Antique shops malls, markets etc in the States. Try to be there on a weekend.
Also lots of shops on Rt 20 here
If you are going to be in the MA area early May check which weekend Brimfield
antique show is on. Most productive sm hunting ground I've ever known. Check
with the Sturbridge Visitor Centre (sorry don't have the number). Lotsa shops
between Branson MO and Little Rock but I've never found anything worthwhile.

To Barb

I'm not trying to tell you that your mint-green 221K was not made in the UK. It
was. But it, according to Singer, isn't mint green -- it's pale turquois. This
was the official colour terminology for the machine.
Sorry if my original post on this confused anyone.
Intrestingly, my list rescued from the Singer archived when they closed the
factory here does not list the FA but goes directly from EZ to FB. Clearly an
effor in the bookkeeping, I fear.

To Millie
The 185 K was an electrified 99K made from 1958 to 1964. It was available in
beige/brown in England. Had an 21 1/2 inch bed and threaded left to right. All
mechanical parts interchangeable with tyhe 99. Do not think the green colour was
available in Britain.
$2 a time for the Singer topographical cards is not out of order.I think you
need 26 for a set --- but there was more than one one series. Expect to pay a
little more for complete set in original packing.

To Nancy
See message above re the connection between 99 and 185 machines. The J stand for
St Johns, Canada. This was one of Singer's most polular machines having a
production run, in Britain alone  from 1921 to 1955 for the 99 and from 1958 to
1964 fro the 185.

To Barbara

You dont have to share my make believe sister -- you can have her. There's a
choice of names aavailable -- Penelope or Alexandra. Will post you ISMACS
information by e-mail to avoid taking up too much space.

To Penby

Your Ruby was made by the New Home Company which started in business in 1882 in
Orange Mass, was absorbed by the Free SM co in 1928 The new company survived
until 1958 when bought by Janome of Japan who junked the name in 1960.

Graham F
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:47:05 -0500
Subject: minnesota machine manual

Betty,
I have my Great-grandmother's Minnesota.  It has the box of attachments that
you described with the N on the box.  There doesn't appear to be any other
lettering on the box.  I'm not sure what modes my Minnesota is.  The SN in
1134579N, on the throat plate.  On the treadle part of the base is the number
912H.  I would like to have a copy of the manual and would gladly pay
printing and postage.  I have had this machine for about 15 years and sadly
had never done much to clean it up.  I kept it dusted, but didn't try to sew
since I could not figure out how to thread the tension mechanism on it.  I
opened it up again today and took a good look at it.  It needs a good
cleaning.  It has lots of caked on oil and some small spots of what I think
are rust.  The gold is pretty much intact but very worn near the throat
plate.  Would love to get it polished up but don't want to destroy the gold.
 My great-grandmother bought it new and it was used regularly until about a
year before I got it.  It has been moved across country twice, but we packed
it very carefuly.  Before I got it, it lived in a very humid, non-air
conditioned area.  So, it also has some mildew on the items in the drawers.
 The cabinet is very pretty.  It has carved trim on the drawers and on the
front panel.  The front panel is hinged at the top so it swings in toward the
back so you can sit and sew.  What fascinates me is the cable arrangement
that automaticly raises and lowers the machine as you open and close the top
of the cabinet.  If anyone has any information they can share about these
machines, I would love to know.  I hope to get this beauty sewing some day
soon.
Thanks,
Barbara
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:28:21 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/7/96 Part 1 of 2

        Katy, and Amy,
  Sorry to post here,  Again, kid problems, deleted all moms mail, addresses
ect.
  I think I see a pattern here. 
        The auction was ok, very high prices for small Items.  The first toy
went very high.  I don't mind a few defects, but It would take alot of duct
tape for that one............We did'n stay for the rest, as prices were not 
realistic.
  I saw two treadles on the way home, but both were priced as furniture.
My favorite shop sold the same machine in the same cabint for $65.  It's 
ok, it's better stored there than in an old basement.
  I did ask my favorite dealer to watch for a 221 and took mine down to show 
her.  She doesn't deal in any machines as a general  rule. She will watch for 
them for me.  She's very fair, and I feel she would turn a fair profit and I 
would get an ok machine.  I'd like one to use every day.  My baklite motor 
housing has a crack in it and I don't want to move it around too much.  It 
sews great, but I'd rather use another machine.
  If you have sent me an E-mail and recieved no answer, send again!
Happy Hunting
Cheryl
P.S.  Katey, we have to find you a FW !!!
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 20:55:28 EST
Subject: 185J

To all interested:
I consider myself fortunate as an owner of a 185J.  I agree...too 
heavy to be considered convenient for carrying to a class burt a 
great Singer "straight stitcher".  An awful green???, yeah, maybe for 
a refrig or kitchen appliance, but mine's a "9" per Graham's guide, 
and I love it.    If you already own a 99 or a Spartan, this won't 
bring much to your collection other than for me, mine was 
manufactured in Canada! A 185J like Millies.  A great find and cheap 
for $10.00.
Corinne
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Subject: A request; walking feet

To Bob C  (if you're still out there):

In browsing through my printed copies of the Digest, I believe I noticed
that you were contemplating stripping down a FW completely and restoring
it in some other color than black or pale turquoise.  This leads  me to
believe that you understand the processes that were used to finish the
machine in the first place, and I was wondering if you could describe to
the rest of us (in more or less plain English) just what we're dealing
with here.  For instance, I think your basic naked FW is some form of cast
aluminum alloy. Then there would be the initial finish (black or pale
turquoise, oil-base paint or baked enamel finish?), then decals, then
something protective over everything (varnish? shellac?).  Could you tell
us whateach of these layers would be?  Then we might have a
better understanding of the "crazing" and other finish problems that occur.

Also, in one of your submissions, you mentioned NOT to use "solvent-based
cleaners such as Lestoil".  From my reading on Gaillee's Re-Digest and 
Diane Close's restoration suggestions, I gather the following:

On the machine itself:
   ArmourAll = Good
   Baby oil = Good
   WD-40 = Good
   Mild dish detergent &water = Good

   Alcolhol = Bad (dissolves finish and decals)
   Lestoil = Bad (same)

Can you tell us what common household cleaning agents (Fantastik(R),
Windex(R) qualify as "solvent based", maybe in one tidy page?

On the metal parts/attachments:
   Lestoil = Good (loosens rust)
   Alcohol = Good (dissolves grease and gunk)
   WD-40 = Good (same)

Anyone else want to add to what works/what doesn't??

About Walking Feet:
Hari Walner has a series on machine quilting appearing in "Quilter's
Newsletter" magazine.  This month's installment on straight-line quilting
has the best brief description of a walking foot that I've seen so far. 
I'm condensing two paragraphs here for the benefit of those who've been
asking about them lately (I honestly don't think this is enough to
constitute copyright violation):

    "A walking foot, also called an even-feed foot, has teeth that
     act like upper feed dogs when it is properly attached to your
     machine...The teeth of the walking foot work in tandem with the
     lower feed dogs to move the top and bottom layers of the quilt
     through the machine at an even pace.  Because of the thickness
     of the quilt sandwich, if you don't use a walking foot, the lower
     layer of fabric often feeds through evenly (because the feed
     dogs underneath help it) and the upper fabric and batting are
     held back by the presser foot and are then dragged through the
     machine.  The upper layers shift, resulting in unwanted pleats
     and puckers being sewn in...A walking foot prevents this shifting
     of layers"

For the rest of the story, see Machine Quilting (Part Three: Let's Get
Something Straight) on page 38 of the April 1996 issue of QN.
   

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Lydia P
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Date: 09 Mar 96 22:18:59 EST
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/7/96 Part 2 of 2

I have a Ruby treadle machine that I bought at an auction in IA 5 or 6 yrs ago.
I paid $35!  It has no book but a box of attachments.  The only info I have
found is that  Ruby's were made by New Home.  Anyone out there with more info
for us?

Carol


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